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On October 29 2018 09:32 Brutaxilos wrote:
Blizzard isn't even trying to hide their foreigner bias anymore. After the whole WCS 2018 Trailer where they literally say "It's US vs THEM" to them rigging the seeding, this is a total shit show.
Well I guess it's alright since they don't really give Koreans a chance to watch the global finals anyway.
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On October 29 2018 09:27 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2018 09:25 StasisField wrote:On October 29 2018 09:20 Charoisaur wrote:On October 29 2018 09:18 Paljas wrote:On October 29 2018 09:17 Charoisaur wrote:On October 29 2018 09:15 JoeCool wrote:On October 29 2018 09:14 Paljas wrote:On October 29 2018 09:13 Boucot wrote:On October 29 2018 09:10 CynicalDeath wrote:
lol that Maru Serral rig rule What rule ? I didn't hear. apparently maru and serral are on opposite of the bracket cause they rank 1st in wcs rankings. which makes no sense whatsoever, but i wont complain Yeah I mean, that's what everyone wanted anyways. So it's fine. you don't suddenly shift your rules for no logical reason other than people wanting it why not, lol. ever heard of something called competitive integrity? In every other sport rigging the bracket to make 2 favourites face later in the tournament would be a HUGE controversy. it's not much better than what Life did tbh. I suggest you look at every playoff bracket a traditional sport ever does and then try to tell me most sports don't purposely try to line things up so the favorites play each other in the end rather than at the beginning. Of course they do, but they fucking announce it at the start of the season. YOU KNOW how the play off will be played in advance. And not all leagues have play offs! So you can actually PLAN it. Can you imagine that FIFA/UEFA would add a random rule just before drawing Champions League? What Blizzard just did is pathetic from sport/fair play view. Announce these rules properly and in advance.
I thought people were trolling but no, such psycho rigidity is real, seriously, how can you be so upsed about such a minor stuff...
And come on I am not sure UEFA/FIFA is a parangon of integrity considering their politics and the format of the competition, this particular exemple is beyond terrible.
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Even though putting the two best players on different sides of the bracket is somehow disgusting i'm super pumped for the playoffs. Rather tough bracket for serral, but hoping for the best.
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I don't understand why you care so much about how exactly the bracket is decided. Sure it would be better to simply have the rules laid out before and follow them (because that's how the concept of a rule gets value) but other than that?
Seeding based on year long performance is superior to random draw imo, even if it is less fair in general.
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On October 29 2018 09:24 DieuCure wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2018 09:24 JoeCool wrote:On October 29 2018 09:22 Weavel wrote:
Great bracket for Serral. His only real dangers are Maru and Stats. Don't underestimate Rogue and Dark... I believe they are bigger threats than Stats. And TY, the biggest threat.
never change buddy
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So we have the two best terrans in the world, the three best zergs, two of the three best protosses and Juan  .
I have NO IDEA who takes this:
- Maru has to beat sOs and then Stats, and both eliminated him from weekenders this year. Or play a TvT vs Special, which might be doable.
- Serral has to win two ZvZs in a row, or face TY's best matchup
- Stats has to beat Special's excellent TvP (look at today!) and then take on Maru or sOs in his best matchup
- Rogue has to beat TY and then a ZvZ
This is madness... Maru is slightly favoured though, and Stats gets the bad luck IMO
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To everyone complaining about the bracket rigging pls cry me a river. They don't have to announce shit. The way they set up the bracket is done in many sports. Even if it was done maliciously no player in the round of 8 is going to complain because EVERYONE has a good chance to win their matches so really how malicious is it?
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On October 29 2018 09:29 StasisField wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2018 09:27 deacon.frost wrote:On October 29 2018 09:25 StasisField wrote:On October 29 2018 09:20 Charoisaur wrote:On October 29 2018 09:18 Paljas wrote:On October 29 2018 09:17 Charoisaur wrote:On October 29 2018 09:15 JoeCool wrote:On October 29 2018 09:14 Paljas wrote:On October 29 2018 09:13 Boucot wrote:On October 29 2018 09:10 CynicalDeath wrote:
lol that Maru Serral rig rule What rule ? I didn't hear. apparently maru and serral are on opposite of the bracket cause they rank 1st in wcs rankings. which makes no sense whatsoever, but i wont complain Yeah I mean, that's what everyone wanted anyways. So it's fine. you don't suddenly shift your rules for no logical reason other than people wanting it why not, lol. ever heard of something called competitive integrity? In every other sport rigging the bracket to make 2 favourites face later in the tournament would be a HUGE controversy. it's not much better than what Life did tbh. I suggest you look at every playoff bracket a traditional sport ever does and then try to tell me most sports don't purposely try to line things up so the favorites play each other in the end rather than at the beginning. Of course they do, but they fucking announce it at the start of the season. YOU KNOW how the play off will be played in advance. And not all leagues have play offs! So you can actually PLAN it. Can you imagine that FIFA/UEFA would add a random rule just before drawing Champions League? What Blizzard just did is pathetic from sport/fair play view. Announce these rules properly and in advance. Out of all the things that could "taint" the integrity of competition, this has to be one of the lowest on my list tbh. I really don't see how this is that big of a deal.
It may open the Pandoras box though. Now we have Serral v Maru on opposite sites. Next year we can have that foreigners cannot play each other. Or some other subtle help for them. I don't mind the rule as it is, I mind how it was announced. I get it - they couldn't predict that Maru(or anyone else) would be dominating Korea this hard and at the same time he would be dodging Serral that much(something somthing 3:0 offline event), but the rule itself makes sense anyway, these players should be on the opposite sides of brackets all the time, not only if they win their groups. But this should have been in the rulebook from the start, not like this 
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On October 29 2018 09:37 Wrathsc2 wrote:
To everyone complaining about the bracket rigging pls cry me a river. They don't have to announce shit. The way they set up the bracket is done in many sports. Even if it was done maliciously no player in the round of 8 is going to complain because EVERYONE has a good chance to win their matches so really how malicious is it?
To be fair, it does lower other players chances of getting bracket luck.
But overall I agree with you. Ultimately how tournaments are sustainable is by being entertaining and drawing big viewer counts, and all things considered this is a relatively harmless change for players that greatly increases the potential entertainment value (and thus, potential payoff) of the tournament. It would be much better for them to have just used a seeding system (and hopefully they will next year) instead, but here we are.
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On October 29 2018 09:37 Wrathsc2 wrote:
To everyone complaining about the bracket rigging pls cry me a river. They don't have to announce shit. The way they set up the bracket is done in many sports. Even if it was done maliciously no player in the round of 8 is going to complain because EVERYONE has a good chance to win their matches so really how malicious is it?
Yeah, 100% agreed. It must be the "I must get butthurt from everything"- attitude, which seems to be conquering every single topic nowadays. The set up was completely normal, and if we really think about setting up Serral - Maru- finals, I would never have set up it that way. Stats and even SoS might be huge obstacles for Maru, and setting basically players ranked around 3-6 all against Serral is GOOD FOR HIM ?? LoL. Its about the worse bracket for him that you could have imagined. Even confronting Maru would have been better at first round than Dark.
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Bracket luck can make a huge difference in how a tournament plays out. That's why people are a bit sensitive about it. Without clear rules, you can draw allegations of setting things up to be better/worse for specific players. The bracket seems reasonable to me, but they really should have announced the rules beforehand, not halfway through the tournament.
I wonder what would have happened if Serral lost and Special was the top foreigner. Would they have followed that "rule" and seeded him opposite Maru? Or did it apply only for Serral?
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Rigging bracket is fine if the tournament might draw bigger viewer counts? Not a huge deal personally but definitely lowers the integrity of WCS rules.
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On October 29 2018 09:38 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2018 09:29 StasisField wrote:On October 29 2018 09:27 deacon.frost wrote:On October 29 2018 09:25 StasisField wrote:On October 29 2018 09:20 Charoisaur wrote:On October 29 2018 09:18 Paljas wrote:On October 29 2018 09:17 Charoisaur wrote:On October 29 2018 09:15 JoeCool wrote:On October 29 2018 09:14 Paljas wrote:On October 29 2018 09:13 Boucot wrote:
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What rule ? I didn't hear. apparently maru and serral are on opposite of the bracket cause they rank 1st in wcs rankings. which makes no sense whatsoever, but i wont complain Yeah I mean, that's what everyone wanted anyways. So it's fine. you don't suddenly shift your rules for no logical reason other than people wanting it why not, lol. ever heard of something called competitive integrity? In every other sport rigging the bracket to make 2 favourites face later in the tournament would be a HUGE controversy. it's not much better than what Life did tbh. I suggest you look at every playoff bracket a traditional sport ever does and then try to tell me most sports don't purposely try to line things up so the favorites play each other in the end rather than at the beginning. Of course they do, but they fucking announce it at the start of the season. YOU KNOW how the play off will be played in advance. And not all leagues have play offs! So you can actually PLAN it. Can you imagine that FIFA/UEFA would add a random rule just before drawing Champions League? What Blizzard just did is pathetic from sport/fair play view. Announce these rules properly and in advance. Out of all the things that could "taint" the integrity of competition, this has to be one of the lowest on my list tbh. I really don't see how this is that big of a deal. It may open the Pandoras box though. Now we have Serral v Maru on opposite sites. Next year we can have that foreigners cannot play each other. Or some other subtle help for them. I don't mind the rule as it is, I mind how it was announced. I get it - they couldn't predict that Maru(or anyone else) would be dominating Korea this hard and at the same time he would be dodging Serral that much(something somthing 3:0 offline event), but the rule itself makes sense anyway, these players should be on the opposite sides of brackets all the time, not only if they win their groups. But this should have been in the rulebook from the start, not like this
The Slippery Slope is a fallacy for a reason. Until they do the things you mention, I'm not going to get upset about those things.
I agree a clear system for seeding should be in place(in fact, I wish they would do it like DotA 2's TI. That system makes everything very clear and even has a loser's bracket which I think we'd all be okay with), but it's not that big of a deal to me. If they were changing stuff every round or every match, I would get really annoyed, but they added in a rule that practically every sport/competition with a playoffs uses. I'm really struggling to find reason to be upset beyond being slightly annoyed they didn't mention this sooner, but I don't see how this has any real impact on the integrity of the competition.
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kind of a late comment, but the last series was one of the best I've seen in a while
can't wait for the finals!
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I must be missing something here. Why are people complaining about the bracket being rigged? Maru and Serral have perhaps the toughest roads before they can possibly meet in the finals. Every round for them is potentially dangerous.
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On October 29 2018 09:43 Kalera wrote:
Bracket luck can make a huge difference in how a tournament plays out. That's why people are a bit sensitive about it. Without clear rules, you can draw allegations of setting things up to be better/worse for specific players. The bracket seems reasonable to me, but they really should have announced the rules beforehand, not halfway through the tournament.
I wonder what would have happened if Serral lost and Special was the top foreigner. Would they have followed that "rule"?
more than allegiations. It's a fact they made it easier for Maru and Serral by not having to play the strongest other player until the finals
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On October 29 2018 09:50 Kommander wrote:
I must be missing something here. Why are people complaining about the bracket being rigged? Maru and Serral have perhaps the toughest roads before they can possibly meet in the finals. Every round for them is potentially dangerous.
I think there was some rule about how the top seeds had to be on opposite side of the bracket or something like that.
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On October 29 2018 09:51 Anc13nt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2018 09:50 Kommander wrote:
I must be missing something here. Why are people complaining about the bracket being rigged? Maru and Serral have perhaps the toughest roads before they can possibly meet in the finals. Every round for them is potentially dangerous. I think there was some rule about how the top seeds had to be on opposite side of the bracket or something like that.
And why is that a problem? That's how it should be. Even in traditional sports, that's how it is.
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On October 29 2018 09:51 Kommander wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2018 09:51 Anc13nt wrote:On October 29 2018 09:50 Kommander wrote:
I must be missing something here. Why are people complaining about the bracket being rigged? Maru and Serral have perhaps the toughest roads before they can possibly meet in the finals. Every round for them is potentially dangerous. I think there was some rule about how the top seeds had to be on opposite side of the bracket or something like that. And why is that a problem? That's how it should be. Even in traditional sports, that's how it is.
I guess people think it seems kind of sketchy but I don't have a big opinion about it.
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What are the bracket rules in general, and do they differ between last year and today? I'm actually surprised, the next match November, 3.
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