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On June 23 2018 18:42 Waxangel wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2018 18:38 Kommander wrote:On June 23 2018 18:37 Charoisaur wrote:
too early for the b- word? Maru winning at least the next GSL and perhaps Blizzcon seals it for me. Others might have higher standards and require having Maru dominate next year too. Bonjwa is the stupidest thing the Korean BW community ever made and I hate it. But if I had to entertain the idea for a second, if the community didn't allow Jaedong the title for his 2009~2010 run, then Maru doesn't deserve it for his first-half 2018 performances.
I get what you're saying, but Maru doesn't have an equal right now it seems, as opposed to Jaedong who had Flash. Rogue is the closest, probably, but not on an equal footing the way Jaedong and Flash were at that point.
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You don't become a bonjwa for being good for half a year. Back in the days it took more than that.
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On June 23 2018 18:45 Kommander wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2018 18:42 Waxangel wrote:On June 23 2018 18:38 Kommander wrote:On June 23 2018 18:37 Charoisaur wrote:
too early for the b- word? Maru winning at least the next GSL and perhaps Blizzcon seals it for me. Others might have higher standards and require having Maru dominate next year too. Bonjwa is the stupidest thing the Korean BW community ever made and I hate it. But if I had to entertain the idea for a second, if the community didn't allow Jaedong the title for his 2009~2010 run, then Maru doesn't deserve it for his first-half 2018 performances. I get what you're saying, but Maru doesn't have an equal right now it seems, as opposed to Jaedong who had Flash. Rogue is the closest, probably, but not on an equal footing the way Jaedong and Flash were at that point.
And Rogue crushed him at IEM? You don't get to do this off a 3 month window. Anyway I'm going to stop here, since I've already said I hate bonjwa talk.
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On June 23 2018 18:46 Waxangel wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2018 18:45 Kommander wrote:On June 23 2018 18:42 Waxangel wrote:On June 23 2018 18:38 Kommander wrote:On June 23 2018 18:37 Charoisaur wrote:
too early for the b- word? Maru winning at least the next GSL and perhaps Blizzcon seals it for me. Others might have higher standards and require having Maru dominate next year too. Bonjwa is the stupidest thing the Korean BW community ever made and I hate it. But if I had to entertain the idea for a second, if the community didn't allow Jaedong the title for his 2009~2010 run, then Maru doesn't deserve it for his first-half 2018 performances. I get what you're saying, but Maru doesn't have an equal right now it seems, as opposed to Jaedong who had Flash. Rogue is the closest, probably, but not on an equal footing the way Jaedong and Flash were at that point. And Rogue crushed him at IEM? You don't get to do this off a 3 month window. Anyway I'm going to stop here, since I've already said I hate bonjwa talk.
Jaedong also beat Flash a couple times, but it's clear who was more succesful overall that year. You don't have to win every match to be a bonjwa. Right now it's pretty clear that Maru has no equal.
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On June 23 2018 18:50 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2018 18:46 Waxangel wrote:On June 23 2018 18:45 Kommander wrote:On June 23 2018 18:42 Waxangel wrote:On June 23 2018 18:38 Kommander wrote:On June 23 2018 18:37 Charoisaur wrote:
too early for the b- word? Maru winning at least the next GSL and perhaps Blizzcon seals it for me. Others might have higher standards and require having Maru dominate next year too. Bonjwa is the stupidest thing the Korean BW community ever made and I hate it. But if I had to entertain the idea for a second, if the community didn't allow Jaedong the title for his 2009~2010 run, then Maru doesn't deserve it for his first-half 2018 performances. I get what you're saying, but Maru doesn't have an equal right now it seems, as opposed to Jaedong who had Flash. Rogue is the closest, probably, but not on an equal footing the way Jaedong and Flash were at that point. And Rogue crushed him at IEM? You don't get to do this off a 3 month window. Anyway I'm going to stop here, since I've already said I hate bonjwa talk. Jaedong also beat Flash a couple times, but it's clear who was more succesful overall that year. You don't have to win every match to be a bonjwa. Right now it's pretty clear that Maru has no equal.
Has The Fango become a Brood War expert too? Truly, his limiters have been taken off.
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On June 23 2018 18:52 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2018 18:50 Fango wrote:On June 23 2018 18:46 Waxangel wrote:On June 23 2018 18:45 Kommander wrote:On June 23 2018 18:42 Waxangel wrote:On June 23 2018 18:38 Kommander wrote:On June 23 2018 18:37 Charoisaur wrote:
too early for the b- word? Maru winning at least the next GSL and perhaps Blizzcon seals it for me. Others might have higher standards and require having Maru dominate next year too. Bonjwa is the stupidest thing the Korean BW community ever made and I hate it. But if I had to entertain the idea for a second, if the community didn't allow Jaedong the title for his 2009~2010 run, then Maru doesn't deserve it for his first-half 2018 performances. I get what you're saying, but Maru doesn't have an equal right now it seems, as opposed to Jaedong who had Flash. Rogue is the closest, probably, but not on an equal footing the way Jaedong and Flash were at that point. And Rogue crushed him at IEM? You don't get to do this off a 3 month window. Anyway I'm going to stop here, since I've already said I hate bonjwa talk. Jaedong also beat Flash a couple times, but it's clear who was more succesful overall that year. You don't have to win every match to be a bonjwa. Right now it's pretty clear that Maru has no equal. Has The Fango become a Brood War expert too? Truly, his limiters have been taken off.
Ultra Instinct Fango.
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On June 23 2018 18:50 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2018 18:46 Waxangel wrote:On June 23 2018 18:45 Kommander wrote:On June 23 2018 18:42 Waxangel wrote:On June 23 2018 18:38 Kommander wrote:On June 23 2018 18:37 Charoisaur wrote:
too early for the b- word? Maru winning at least the next GSL and perhaps Blizzcon seals it for me. Others might have higher standards and require having Maru dominate next year too. Bonjwa is the stupidest thing the Korean BW community ever made and I hate it. But if I had to entertain the idea for a second, if the community didn't allow Jaedong the title for his 2009~2010 run, then Maru doesn't deserve it for his first-half 2018 performances. I get what you're saying, but Maru doesn't have an equal right now it seems, as opposed to Jaedong who had Flash. Rogue is the closest, probably, but not on an equal footing the way Jaedong and Flash were at that point. And Rogue crushed him at IEM? You don't get to do this off a 3 month window. Anyway I'm going to stop here, since I've already said I hate bonjwa talk. Jaedong also beat Flash a couple times, but it's clear who was more succesful overall that year. You don't have to win every match to be a bonjwa. Right now it's pretty clear that Maru has no equal.
I mean he only narrowly beat Rogue 3-2 so Rogue is definitely close to him.
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5/7 GSL were won by Terrans on LOTV and each time we heard "Byun is a god", "Gumiho is best", "Innovation best players of the world", now it's just Maru's turn.
Maru could have dominated the scene from the start of LOTV if he was really above every players. He did not.
It's just the meta right now favors his agressive playstyle, and probably the other kor play worst due to region lock/kespa team disbands.
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the problem of "bonjwa" term is you guys can't reach a same agreement.Without a standard arguing about this is pointless.
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On June 23 2018 18:52 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2018 18:50 Fango wrote:On June 23 2018 18:46 Waxangel wrote:On June 23 2018 18:45 Kommander wrote:On June 23 2018 18:42 Waxangel wrote:On June 23 2018 18:38 Kommander wrote:On June 23 2018 18:37 Charoisaur wrote:
too early for the b- word? Maru winning at least the next GSL and perhaps Blizzcon seals it for me. Others might have higher standards and require having Maru dominate next year too. Bonjwa is the stupidest thing the Korean BW community ever made and I hate it. But if I had to entertain the idea for a second, if the community didn't allow Jaedong the title for his 2009~2010 run, then Maru doesn't deserve it for his first-half 2018 performances. I get what you're saying, but Maru doesn't have an equal right now it seems, as opposed to Jaedong who had Flash. Rogue is the closest, probably, but not on an equal footing the way Jaedong and Flash were at that point. And Rogue crushed him at IEM? You don't get to do this off a 3 month window. Anyway I'm going to stop here, since I've already said I hate bonjwa talk. Jaedong also beat Flash a couple times, but it's clear who was more succesful overall that year. You don't have to win every match to be a bonjwa. Right now it's pretty clear that Maru has no equal. Has The Fango become a Brood War expert too? Truly, his limiters have been taken off.
TIL you have to be an expert to say that Flash did better than Jaedong during his era
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On June 23 2018 18:54 Tyrhanius wrote:
5/7 GSL were won by Terrans on LOTV and each time we heard "Byun is a god", "Gumiho is best", "Innovation best players of the world", now it's just Maru's turn.
Maru could have dominated the scene from the start of LOTV if he was really above every players. He did not.
It's just the meta right now favors his agressive playstyle, and probably the other kor play worst due to region lock/kespa team disbands.
Great theory but he said he practices much harder this year than before so I guess that's the reason for his results.
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On June 23 2018 18:54 seemsgood wrote:
the problem of "bonjwa" term is you guys can't reach a same agreement.Without a standard arguing about this is pointless.
Right but I think it's pretty cool that we have a player good enough that there's discussion about it.
We don't have that often in SC2.
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On June 23 2018 18:54 Tyrhanius wrote:
5/7 GSL were won by Terrans on LOTV and each time we heard "Byun is a god", "Gumiho is best", "Innovation best players of the world", now it's just Maru's turn.
Maru could have dominated the scene from the start of LOTV if he was really above every players. He did not.
It's just the meta right now favors his agressive playstyle, and probably the other kor play worst due to region lock/kespa team disbands.
That's what happens. Metas change, patches change, maps change, the reigning best player in the world also changes.
Maru did worse last year than he did now. Just like nhow INno did trash the first year of LoTV, or how ByuN has done much worse in the last year. Or how Zest won the first GSL in LoTV and was borderline irrelevent the next year etc etc
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On June 23 2018 18:57 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2018 18:54 seemsgood wrote:
the problem of "bonjwa" term is you guys can't reach a same agreement.Without a standard arguing about this is pointless. Right but I think it's pretty cool that we have a player good enough that there's discussion about it. We don't have that often in SC2.
no it's actually incredibly lame that the foreign community obsesses over it when people stopped taking it seriously in Korea once the fad passed in 2010~2011
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zest is not best 
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No Bonjwa confirmed, Zest is just bad
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On June 23 2018 19:01 Waxangel wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2018 18:57 Charoisaur wrote:On June 23 2018 18:54 seemsgood wrote:
the problem of "bonjwa" term is you guys can't reach a same agreement.Without a standard arguing about this is pointless. Right but I think it's pretty cool that we have a player good enough that there's discussion about it. We don't have that often in SC2. no it's actually incredibly lame that the foreign community obsesses over it when people stopped taking it seriously in Korea once the fad passed in 2010~2011
bonjwa is old meta, now its GOAT meta.
"Wack" - Hannibal Buress
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On June 23 2018 18:55 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2018 18:54 Tyrhanius wrote:
5/7 GSL were won by Terrans on LOTV and each time we heard "Byun is a god", "Gumiho is best", "Innovation best players of the world", now it's just Maru's turn.
Maru could have dominated the scene from the start of LOTV if he was really above every players. He did not.
It's just the meta right now favors his agressive playstyle, and probably the other kor play worst due to region lock/kespa team disbands. Great theory but he said he practices much harder this year than before so I guess that's the reason for his results.
you wouldn't see this kind of result in final if SKT,KT...ect.. were still a thing.i really dislike thier disbanding decision for a reason
JA players don't simply become good for no reason you know
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On June 23 2018 19:06 seemsgood wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2018 18:55 Charoisaur wrote:On June 23 2018 18:54 Tyrhanius wrote:
5/7 GSL were won by Terrans on LOTV and each time we heard "Byun is a god", "Gumiho is best", "Innovation best players of the world", now it's just Maru's turn.
Maru could have dominated the scene from the start of LOTV if he was really above every players. He did not.
It's just the meta right now favors his agressive playstyle, and probably the other kor play worst due to region lock/kespa team disbands. Great theory but he said he practices much harder this year than before so I guess that's the reason for his results. you wouldn't see this kind of result in final if SKT,KT...ect.. were still a thing.i really dislike thier disbanding decision for a reason JA players don't simply become good for no reason you know
sOs Trap Cure Creator arent overperforming, Maru/Rogue weren't too good in 2017 ( except Rogue in the last half of the year ).
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If I'm correct Maru has also narrowly surpassed Jaedong as Starcrafts top earner
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