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HYPEUUU MARUUUUU | ||
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=========================GSL SEASON 2===========================  2018 Global StarCraft II League Season 2/Code S============================STREAMS=============================  Twitch Afreeca==========================GRAND FINAL=========================== ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/players/977.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/players/1850.jpg)  Zest vs  Maru============================RESULTS============================= + Show Spoiler + | ||
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sashkata
Bulgaria3241 Posts
On June 23 2018 16:59 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Maybe Pande is sick or something. Regardless this is what you get Old school. I find it kinda nostalgic. lol | ||
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Olli
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LennX
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 maru to be back to back champslike nestea? | ||
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Durnuu
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On June 23 2018 16:59 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Maybe Pande is sick or something. Regardless this is what you get Probably got piss drunk preemptively at the thought of England losing in the World Cup | ||
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FataLe
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On June 23 2018 17:05 Heartland wrote: She could probably work a bit on sounding interested.. "okayyyyy" | ||
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Heartland
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On June 23 2018 17:05 Inflicted wrote: What's Khaldor doing there we're not being flamed so it's not Khaldor | ||
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Ej_
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On June 23 2018 17:05 Inflicted wrote: What's Khaldor doing there It's Johny Sins. | ||
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SetGuitarsToKill
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Olli
Austria24417 Posts
> "Immortals, sentries" I know everything about this person. | ||
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FataLe
New Zealand4501 Posts
On June 23 2018 17:07 Olli wrote: > Name Protoss units > "Immortals, sentries" I know everything about this person. parting would be proud | ||
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Durnuu
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sashkata
Bulgaria3241 Posts
On June 23 2018 17:07 Durnuu wrote: This is awkward as fuck lmao This was actually pretty good. I've seen so much worse. | ||
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Inflicted
Australia18228 Posts
On June 23 2018 17:08 sashkata wrote: This was actually pretty good. I've seen so much worse. They should've interviewed Serral and Neeb | ||
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ilikeredheads
Canada1995 Posts
On June 23 2018 17:07 Durnuu wrote: This is awkward as fuck lmao to be fair, she sounded quite nervous | ||
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v1p3r52
New Zealand182 Posts
Wonder how many interviews shes done in English before. | ||
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FataLe
New Zealand4501 Posts
Serral Neeb and Innovation 3 way Interview. Make it happen Dana. | ||
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ilikeredheads
Canada1995 Posts
On June 23 2018 17:10 v1p3r52 wrote: Wonder how many interviews shes done in English before. probably first one live on camera. This used to be sojung's job. | ||
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Morbidius
Brazil3449 Posts
But this thing with revive/repeat your glory along with the sick edits convinced me. Reminds me of the good old OSL/MSL intros, so hyped now. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15967 Posts
On June 23 2018 17:10 FataLe wrote: Serral Neeb and Innovation 3 way Interview. Make it happen Dana. might fit Maru or TaeJa in there too | ||
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FataLe
New Zealand4501 Posts
On June 23 2018 17:12 Noonius wrote: I have never wanted protoss to be OP but today is the day. 4-0 inc We want that Bisu level of meta change opness | ||
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v1p3r52
New Zealand182 Posts
On June 23 2018 17:11 ilikeredheads wrote: probably first one live on camera. This used to be sojung's job. i miss sojung. what happened to her? move onto another esport? | ||
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Ej_
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Durnuu
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Ej_
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On June 23 2018 17:18 Olli wrote: Actually think this is more to mess with Maru's head. Despite playing for so long he's still the much more inexperienced in finals. Maru has 6 premier tournament finals, including 3 starleague finals, appearances prior to today | ||
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Olli
Austria24417 Posts
On June 23 2018 17:19 Ej_ wrote: Maru has 6 premier tournament finals, including 3 starleague finals, appearances prior to today Zest has seven Premier wins, including two GSLs and an IEM WC. Maru is much younger, too. | ||
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Durnuu
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On June 23 2018 17:23 Olli wrote: Zest has seven Premier wins, including two GSLs and an IEM WC. Maru is much younger, too. Maru has more MMR on ladder tho | ||
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Ej_
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On June 23 2018 17:23 Olli wrote: Zest has seven Premier wins, including two GSLs and an IEM WC. Maru is much younger, too. So what, confidence isn't a function of substraction. | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On June 23 2018 17:23 Olli wrote: Zest has seven Premier wins, including two GSLs and an IEM WC. Maru is much younger, too. I'm not going into this again but please stop counting Homestory cups as premiers Zest has been to 6 premier finals before today. Maru has also been to 6. | ||
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Olli
Austria24417 Posts
On June 23 2018 17:24 Ej_ wrote: So what, confidence isn't a function of substraction. No, it's a matter of the moment. If your opponent declares he's winning 4-0, what does that invoke in you? Especially coming from someone who's won more than you. Zest even mentioned his age in the interview and said he'll jump at any sign of nervousness. Getting into his head is a valuable strategy here. On June 23 2018 17:26 Fango wrote: I'm not going into this again but please stop counting Homestory cups as anything premiers Zest has been to 6 premier finals before today. Maru has also been to 6. Go to a HSC and tell me again it doesn't matter. The Koreans take it as seriously as any other weekender. I don't care what you say, beating Solar, Stats, etc. in Bo5+ is impressive. | ||
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Durnuu
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On June 23 2018 17:26 Fango wrote: I'm not going into this again but please stop counting Homestory cups as premiers Zest has been to 6 premier finals before today. Maru has also been to 6. If WESG is a Premier then so is HSC tbh | ||
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ElPres1dente
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Artosis cursed Zest | ||
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Gogogogogogo Zest ! | ||
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Fango
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WeSG had all the best foreigners and an actual korean qualifier. HSC has invites, not much prestige outside of TL, and 1/40th of the prize money. I guarantee you that both Zest and Maru count WeSG as a premier and not HSC | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15967 Posts
On June 23 2018 17:29 Fango wrote: Even Zest didn't consider HSC to be a real championship.... and Solar didn't consider Dreamhacks to be real championships... | ||
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On June 23 2018 17:32 Fango wrote: I guarantee you that both Zest and Maru count WeSG as a premier and not HSC Well fuck, that settles it. | ||
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FataLe
New Zealand4501 Posts
On June 23 2018 17:32 Fango wrote: WeSG had all the best foreigners and an actual korean qualifier. HSC has invites, not much prestige outside of TL, and 1/40th of the prize money. I guarantee you that both Zest and Maru count WeSG as a premier and not HSC Thank god we have Fango here deciding once again to tell us what pro's care and don't care for. | ||
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ByuuN
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Fango
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Even if it doesn't, in terms of the experience playing in finals/on big stages goes, WeSG is certainly a bigger deal than HSC. | ||
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Durnuu
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On June 23 2018 17:37 Fango wrote: Even if it doesn't, in terms of the experience playing in finals/on big stages goes, WeSG is certainly a bigger deal than HSC. It's not a big stage here though, it's the same studio they play everything in  | ||
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Fango
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On June 23 2018 17:37 FataLe wrote: Thank god we have Fango here deciding once again to tell us what pro's care and don't care for. And when did I say what pros care or don't care for? They take every event seriously, just some are more important than others. In Zest's opinion, he won no championships in 2017 despite two HSC wins. I doubt Maru feels the same way after playing on a massive stage and winning $200K. | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On June 23 2018 17:38 Durnuu wrote: It's not a big stage here though, it's the same studio they play everything in It's still a GSL final. The stress of playing here must be great. The topic was experience in finals, my point was WeSG is one of the biggest events and HSC simply isn't. | ||
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Charoisaur
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On June 23 2018 17:42 theunabletable wrote: Make 15 zealots across map, leave them there, get demolished in push Zest is best | ||
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On June 23 2018 17:42 Olli wrote: Can we not overhype this game for Maru please. It's 7 probes dead to two hellions into 3CC. You're not supposed to lose. You are not supposed to shade 3 adepts to defend 1 5hp reaper either. | ||
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starkiller123
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Parcelleus
Australia1662 Posts
Terran is stronger early mid game , couple that with maru's skill and aggression , what do you expect ? We saw it in all TvP. It's not impressive, just show how the asynchronous design of SC2 has problems as an RTS game. | ||
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Phredxor
New Zealand15076 Posts
Just mind games baby. | ||
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partydude89
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On June 23 2018 17:42 theunabletable wrote: Make 15 zealots across map, leave them there, get demolished in push LOL i was wondering the same thing. What was his game plan there? | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15967 Posts
On June 23 2018 17:43 Ej_ wrote: You are not supposed to shade 3 adepts to defend 1 5hp reaper either. or kill only 5 scvs with an Oracle when there's nothing to defend | ||
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Olli
Austria24417 Posts
On June 23 2018 17:43 Ej_ wrote: You are not supposed to shade 3 adepts to defend 1 5hp reaper either. Indeed. Does that make it the best TvP display you've ever seen? | ||
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partydude89
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On June 23 2018 17:43 Parcelleus wrote: Pretty predictable. Terran is stronger early mid game , couple that with maru's skill and aggression , what do you expect ? We saw it in all TvP. It's not impressive, just show how the asynchronous design of SC2 has problems as an RTS game. Let's not pretend Zest didn't make some big mistakes that maru capitalized on... | ||
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sashkata
Bulgaria3241 Posts
On June 23 2018 17:43 partydude89 wrote: LOL i was wondering the same thing. What was his game plan there? I think he expected Maru to go crazy with aggression and he would counter, but Maru just took a 4th and massed up. | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On June 23 2018 17:43 Ej_ wrote: You are not supposed to shade 3 adepts to defend 1 5hp reaper either. He clearly didn't expect hellions so using both adepts to kill a reaper isn't that bad in his mind. | ||
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On June 23 2018 17:43 Olli wrote: Indeed. Does that make it the best TvP display you've ever seen? No, but it certainly says a lot about the series we are to watch :D | ||
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On June 23 2018 17:44 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: What did Zest's zealots across the map even do? That seem potentially good You did not see Maru expand at the corner. Thats what they were there to prevent  | ||
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Netherlands30548 Posts
On June 23 2018 17:37 Fango wrote: Even if it doesn't, in terms of the experience playing in finals/on big stages goes, WeSG is certainly a bigger deal than HSC. WESG didn't have Rotti vs Gumiho in the group stage. HSC did. So HSC > WESG | ||
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Olli
Austria24417 Posts
On June 23 2018 17:45 RaFox17 wrote: You did not see Maru expand at the corner. Thats what they were there to prevent They were supposed to run into Maru's third to force him to attack into disruptor novas. Not a bad idea, but probably should have gone earlier. | ||
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xongnox
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Still, gogo Maru ! | ||
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jjmmtt
Australia995 Posts
On June 23 2018 17:44 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: What did Zest's zealots across the map even do? That seem potentially good Maru was completely ready for that as well. He'd walled off with supply depots, broken the rocks down and had supply depots to buffer the units where his rallypoint was set and that was where Zest's zealots would have to run if they wanted to counter attack. It was truly insane to see that level of planning for that map. | ||
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Tyrhanius
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Classic tried HT, Maru just has added a few ghosts and crush him, Zest now try disruptors, it doesn't seem better. Except if Zest will cheese, this will be a stomp, marauder patch is too good vs P. | ||
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Olli
Austria24417 Posts
On June 23 2018 17:47 jjmmtt wrote: Maru was completely ready for that as well. He'd walled off with supply depots, broken the rocks down and had supply depots to buffer the units where his rallypoint was set and that was where Zest's zealots would have to run if they wanted to counter attack. It was truly insane to see that level of planning for that map. That's not what the depot is for. It's there to rally your army to and have an easy hotkey to where all your reinforcements are. | ||
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jjmmtt
Australia995 Posts
On June 23 2018 17:50 Olli wrote: That's not what the depot is for. It's there to rally your army to and have an easy hotkey to where all your reinforcements are. It does both. *shrug* | ||
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Durnuu
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On June 23 2018 17:47 jjmmtt wrote: Maru was completely ready for that as well. He'd walled off with supply depots, broken the rocks down and had supply depots to buffer the units where his rallypoint was set and that was where Zest's zealots would have to run if they wanted to counter attack. It was truly insane to see that level of planning for that map. You're aware that this is absolutely 100% standard? | ||
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Parcelleus
Australia1662 Posts
User was warned for this post | ||
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SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
On June 23 2018 17:51 RaFox17 wrote: Would be nice to see some games... You mean do don't come to GSL to watch 50 minutes of interviews and ads for every 1 game? | ||
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Olli
Austria24417 Posts
On June 23 2018 17:52 Durnuu wrote: You're aware that this is absolutely 100% standard? INSANE! | ||
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starkiller123
United States4030 Posts
On June 23 2018 17:52 Parcelleus wrote: Asynchronous design helping one player, wow so impressive. Not. stay salty | ||
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Phredxor
New Zealand15076 Posts
On June 23 2018 17:52 Durnuu wrote: You're aware that this is absolutely 100% standard? BEST. TvP. EVER. | ||
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sc-darkness
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On June 23 2018 17:51 RaFox17 wrote: Would be nice to see some games... Yes, I've not watched big tournaments for years probably. I thought the first game was entertaining but there is a huge delay until the next one. | ||
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Durnuu
13320 Posts
On June 23 2018 17:52 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: You mean do don't come to GSL to watch 50 minutes of interviews and ads for every 1 game? No! On the other hand, this is why we watch WCS | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15967 Posts
imagine if he could micro like ByuN. Nobody could stop him. | ||
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Fran_
United States1024 Posts
On June 23 2018 17:47 jjmmtt wrote: Maru was completely ready for that as well. He'd walled off with supply depots, broken the rocks down and had supply depots to buffer the units where his rallypoint was set and that was where Zest's zealots would have to run if they wanted to counter attack. It was truly insane to see that level of planning for that map. Apologies for the silly question: what's the purpose of that depot on the rally point? Why not just rally? | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On June 23 2018 17:51 RaFox17 wrote: Would be nice to see some games... Hey that Maru video was pretty funny. But I expect interviews and such won't happen past game 2 | ||
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Ej_
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On June 23 2018 17:53 Fran_ wrote: Apologies for the silly question: what's the purpose of that depot on the rally point? Why not just rally? If the depot dies, your rally resets and units don't go into the battle on move command | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15967 Posts
On June 23 2018 17:52 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: You mean do don't come to GSL to watch 50 minutes of interviews and ads for every 1 game? usually they don't do a long break after the first game | ||
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Durnuu
13320 Posts
On June 23 2018 17:53 Fran_ wrote: Apologies for the silly question: what's the purpose of that depot on the rally point? Why not just rally? I don't know if this is exactly why pros do it, but it's helpful because if the depot gets killed (meaning you're under attack ), all your rallies reset to your barracks, so you don't rally units to their deaths. | ||
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Olli
Austria24417 Posts
On June 23 2018 17:54 Ej_ wrote: If the depot dies, your rally resets and units don't go into the battle on move command That's not it either. It's just an additional "map hotkey" for where all your reinforcements are. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15967 Posts
On June 23 2018 17:54 Ej_ wrote: If the depot dies, your rally resets and units don't go into the battle on move command and instead stay next to your production facilities where you have to awkardly move them out from... Just re-rallying is much better what Olli said is the correct answer | ||
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Fran_
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On June 23 2018 17:54 Ej_ wrote: If the depot dies, your rally resets and units don't go into the battle on move command Thanks! | ||
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starkiller123
United States4030 Posts
On June 23 2018 17:57 Fango wrote: Depots do a lot more than I thought apparently. Almost sensor tower level of imbalance. nothing is even close to sensor tower imbalance, come on | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15967 Posts
On June 23 2018 17:57 Fango wrote: Depots do a lot more than I thought apparently. Almost sensor tower level of imbalance. The ability to raise/lower them is a major imbalance | ||
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DBooN
Germany2727 Posts
On June 23 2018 17:58 Charoisaur wrote: The ability to raise/lower them is a major imbalance Yeah, why can't I raise or lower Overlords?! | ||
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Durnuu
13320 Posts
Need to be able to ground overlords if they do something dumb | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On June 23 2018 17:58 Charoisaur wrote: The ability to raise/lower them is a major imbalance Pylons being able to kill things for two years makes up for that | ||
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ArtyK
France3143 Posts
On June 23 2018 17:57 Fango wrote: Depots do a lot more than I thought apparently. Almost sensor tower level of imbalance. They're especially broken in tvt | ||
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Phredxor
New Zealand15076 Posts
On June 23 2018 17:59 Durnuu wrote: Need to be able to ground overlords if they do something dumb Viking vs Overlord micro would be sick. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15967 Posts
Using a few Overlords as an emergency wall in ZvZ would be sick. User was warned for this post | ||
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Netherlands30548 Posts
On June 23 2018 18:00 Charoisaur wrote: Using a few Overlords as an emergency wall in ZvZ would be sick. Overlord surround -> lower -> overlordforcefields -> roll in banelings | ||
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FataLe
New Zealand4501 Posts
On June 23 2018 17:40 Fango wrote: And when did I say what pros care or don't care for? They take every event seriously, just some are more important than others. In Zest's opinion, he won no championships in 2017 despite two HSC wins. I doubt Maru feels the same way after playing on a massive stage and winning $200K. On June 02 2018 05:35 FataLe wrote: Ahh lucky we have Fango here, to determine which tournaments rogue does, and does not care for. Right here actually. | ||
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Durnuu
13320 Posts
On June 23 2018 18:00 Charoisaur wrote: Using a few Overlords as an emergency wall in ZvZ would be sick. User was warned for this post Rofl what, I hope this is a joke warning | ||
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Parcelleus
Australia1662 Posts
LOL | ||
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Parcelleus
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User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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sparklyresidue
United States5523 Posts
now i'm in ur nat killin ur units hehheh | ||
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ByuuN
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Fango
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And when exactly did I say pros care for or don't care for WeSG/HSC? I said one is more important and prestigous. One is a huge championship the other is a minor LAN. | ||
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
On June 23 2018 18:04 Noonius wrote: is this a joke or the actual state of the game? This is the Maru world order | ||
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Die4Ever
United States17676 Posts
On June 23 2018 18:04 Parcelleus wrote: Fix your game Blizzard. I mean, Zest did beat TY | ||
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Ej_
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On June 23 2018 18:05 Fango wrote: And when exactly did I say pros care for or don't care for WeSG/HSC? I said one is more important and prestigous. One is a huge championship the other is a minor LAN. here comes dat boi 1 true scotsman | ||
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serendipitous
Canada195 Posts
On June 23 2018 18:00 Fango wrote: I've wondered for a while if 2-1-1 is good against protoss or not. You could easily go 12 marine 2 marauders in it the build he did is super gas tight so making marauders would slow it down a lot | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15967 Posts
not sure, the message seems serious.... | ||
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ToKoreaWithLove
Norway10161 Posts
Yea not much (if anything) wrong with the game, just Maru reaching his potential. | ||
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FataLe
New Zealand4501 Posts
On June 23 2018 18:05 Fango wrote: And when exactly did I say pros care for or don't care for WeSG/HSC? I said one is more important and prestigous. One is a huge championship the other is a minor LAN. Ah so we're arguing semantics here now. Okay, all i was doing, in both quotes was pointing out your eagerness to tout speculation as fact. I actually agree with you but i'd never make the claims you're making so matter of factly. | ||
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RaFox17
Finland4581 Posts
Do not try to mess with ZvZ! | ||
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Heartland
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leublix
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Durnuu
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On June 23 2018 18:08 Heartland wrote: why is there a zealot? To defend against the proxy reaper. If you don't make it, the reaper can hit your probes freely. But if you have it, you force the terran to micro heavily | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
Oh come on. One is for $400K and on one of the biggest stages in sc2. One is an invite only LAN with a few good players and a $10K prize pool. Zest said he didn't win anything important in 2017 despite the HSCs. Maru hasn't commented on WeSG but it's unlikely he feels a similar way. It's outright bizarre that people are trying to make HSC out like its on the same level as other events. I thought I'd only see Taeja fanboys doing that. | ||
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Heartland
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Fyzar
Netherlands8010 Posts
On June 23 2018 18:08 Heartland wrote: why is there a zealot? Cause you lose probes if you don’t make it against proxy reaper. Shit’s standard | ||
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Germany2727 Posts
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Fango
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Parcelleus
Australia1662 Posts
Not surprised. As for TY, he is a macro terran. | ||
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leublix
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On June 23 2018 18:09 Heartland wrote: I liked how Zest didn't target the almost dead Marauder until the last minute Like it mattered at all. | ||
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Heartland
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Die4Ever
United States17676 Posts
On June 23 2018 18:10 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: GSL Speedrun hahaha speaking of speedrunning, Games Done Quick starts sunday! lol | ||
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SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
User was warned for this post | ||
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Heartland
Sweden24580 Posts
It's more that it says something about Zest's play. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada16711 Posts
 so much for that plan. i guess i can have a 3 hour nap. | ||
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FataLe
New Zealand4501 Posts
yea this was basically a b/o loss. | ||
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DBooN
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Fango
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Phredxor
New Zealand15076 Posts
On June 23 2018 18:11 DBooN wrote: I like how that one guy just constantly whines, but overlord walls get you warned. Take it to website feedback please. | ||
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ToKoreaWithLove
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FataLe
New Zealand4501 Posts
On June 23 2018 18:11 DBooN wrote: I like how that one guy just constantly whines, but overlord walls get you warned. If i had to speculate, he was warned by a hillary voter. | ||
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sc-darkness
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On June 23 2018 18:11 DBooN wrote: I like how that one guy just constantly whines, but overlord walls get you warned. Are you sure that warning wasn't a joke from the poster himself? | ||
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Ej_
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On June 23 2018 18:12 FataLe wrote: If i had to speculate, he was warned by a hillary voter. Hillary didn't run in Austria ;] | ||
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Phredxor
New Zealand15076 Posts
On June 23 2018 18:12 Hall0wed wrote: Lots of people in Twitch chat going crazy and claiming this the worst finals ever. Don't think they've been watching GSL for very long... It's not far off though. | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On June 23 2018 18:10 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Can someone remind me how Zest even made the finals? This is actually just a bit pathetic. This is bad for the SC2 scene levels of bad User was warned for this post One sided finals have been a thing since forever. It hardly says much about the current sc2 scene. The brackets were very unlucky that none of the potential close matches ended up being a final | ||
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FataLe
New Zealand4501 Posts
On June 23 2018 18:12 Hall0wed wrote: Lots of people in Twitch chat going crazy and claiming this the worst finals ever. Don't think they've been watching GSL for very long... losira rip never forget <3 | ||
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Olli
Austria24417 Posts
I am not responsible for any moderation going on! In fact, I almost never moderate. | ||
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
On June 23 2018 18:12 Hall0wed wrote: Lots of people in Twitch chat going crazy and claiming this the worst finals ever. Don't think they've been watching GSL for very long... Or just missed Inca vs Nestea, aside from that one I'm trying to think of worse ones than this... not over yet though, so there's still hope | ||
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FataLe
New Zealand4501 Posts
shots fired ^^ | ||
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gingerfluffmuff
Austria4570 Posts
Why are there no players around Zest to support him? WTF | ||
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SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
It's the worst GSL finals of LotV for sure, unless Zest somehow makes a comeback | ||
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Ej_
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On June 23 2018 18:13 Olli wrote: I am not responsible for any moderation going on! In fact, I almost never moderate. The plot is getting thicker with every post. | ||
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Fango
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gingerfluffmuff
Austria4570 Posts
sounds suspicious | ||
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IMSupervisor
Australia138 Posts
Zest knew it was a proxy rax and double gas, and chose to expand and not put down a shield battery until units were at his base, that's not really a build order loss. | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On June 23 2018 18:14 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: It's the worst GSL finals of LotV for sure, unless Zest somehow makes a comeback ByuN vs sOs was disgustingly one sided. sOs taking one game doesn't change much considering how short a game it was. | ||
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On June 23 2018 18:14 Fango wrote: Is GSL gonna try and fit all their videos in now before the series is over? Picture-in-picture might be a thing in the next GSL. | ||
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Durnuu
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On June 23 2018 18:15 Waxangel wrote: Don't derail thread with moderation complaints It's not like the games are worth talking about | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15967 Posts
On June 23 2018 18:14 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: It's the worst GSL finals of LotV for sure, unless Zest somehow makes a comeback 3-0 into 3-3 into epic 1 hour game with Mass BCs vs Skytoss into crazy basetrade with both players having only a couple of units left which they must try to win with. | ||
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Hall0wed
United States8486 Posts
That one, nestea vs inca, mc vs seed, etc etc | ||
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gingerfluffmuff
Austria4570 Posts
On June 23 2018 18:15 Waxangel wrote: Don't derail thread with moderation complaints Easier said then done when the games are this onesided | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On June 23 2018 18:15 Waxangel wrote: Don't derail thread with moderation complaints Don't derail thread with moderation COuldn't help myself xD GOGO MARU!!! | ||
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Durnuu
13320 Posts
On June 23 2018 18:16 Charoisaur wrote: 3-0 into 3-3 into epic 1 hour game with Mass BCs vs Skytoss into crazy basetrade with both players having only a couple of units left which they must try to win with. Alternatively: 3-0 into 4-3 with 4 proxy void ray + battery (and possibly tempests) | ||
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ramon
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Zaros
United Kingdom3692 Posts
On June 23 2018 18:15 IMSupervisor wrote: Zest knew it was a proxy rax and double gas, and chose to expand and not put down a shield battery until units were at his base, that's not really a build order loss. He thought it was a reaper proxy into cloak banshee at home but it wasnt | ||
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gingerfluffmuff
Austria4570 Posts
On June 23 2018 18:16 ramon wrote: oh snap, missed the finals by an hour Gratz, finals over :D almost i fear | ||
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Noonius
Estonia17413 Posts
On June 23 2018 18:11 DBooN wrote: I like how that one guy just constantly whines, but overlord walls get you warned. you've been here for 7 years, you should know things by now. | ||
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MarianoSC2
Slovakia1855 Posts
Man this is just brutal from Maru, I don't think anyone but Rogue can stop him, or give him a fight at least | ||
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United States33397 Posts
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Phredxor
New Zealand15076 Posts
Easily best part of these finals. | ||
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United States680 Posts
On June 23 2018 18:10 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Can someone remind me how Zest even made the finals? This is actually just a bit pathetic. This is bad for the SC2 scene levels of bad User was warned for this post TY choked in Ro4 as always so Zest advanced. I find Zest is overrated. He just does the same 2 or 3 builds over and over again. Maru just mixes it up and throws Zest off the cliff. | ||
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FataLe
New Zealand4501 Posts
On June 23 2018 18:15 IMSupervisor wrote: Zest knew it was a proxy rax and double gas, and chose to expand and not put down a shield battery until units were at his base, that's not really a build order loss. no it is when deciding to place the nexus. he basically secured the loss when he planted it. so not the standard definition i know, because usually you don't choose to go into the b/o loss, it's typically a roll of the dice/unscouted informatiojn. | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
![[image loading]](https://i.gyazo.com/96b2c49d3368b232649955d65b85d5c9.jpg) | ||
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Germany2727 Posts
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ToKoreaWithLove
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On June 23 2018 18:16 Hall0wed wrote: That one, nestea vs inca, mc vs seed, etc etc The broodlord one with RoRo! Never watched that one. | ||
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Vutalisk
United States680 Posts
On June 23 2018 18:18 Phredxor wrote: These videos are pretty good though. Easily best part of these finals. LOL. I think all of commercials + interview videos are longer than the game itself. | ||
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On June 23 2018 18:19 ToKoreaWithLove wrote: The broodlord one with RoRo! Never watched that one. That was a really good final with great game 1. | ||
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gingerfluffmuff
Austria4570 Posts
On June 23 2018 18:19 Fango wrote: Accurate to this day LOL WELL DONE! | ||
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Durnuu
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On June 23 2018 18:19 ToKoreaWithLove wrote: The broodlord one with RoRo! Never watched that one. That was a great finals though | ||
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ToKoreaWithLove
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On June 23 2018 18:18 gingerfluffmuff wrote: 2 gate proxy stalkers is a go! That went brilliant for Classic! | ||
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DBooN
Germany2727 Posts
On June 23 2018 18:20 DieuCure wrote: Hi, i'm late, why does the twitch chat say that Maru plays on one hand please ? Wrist ? Thanks. Very one sided games. | ||
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gingerfluffmuff
Austria4570 Posts
Was the BL one the reasons snipe got nerfed? or was that another one? | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada16711 Posts
On June 23 2018 18:10 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Can someone remind me how Zest even made the finals? This is actually just a bit pathetic. This is bad for the SC2 scene levels of bad User was warned for this post Mike Tyson annihilated everything in his path until he was 24. it was not bad for boxing at all. | ||
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
On June 23 2018 18:19 ToKoreaWithLove wrote: The broodlord one with RoRo! Never watched that one. Symbol vs RorO was competitive and had some good moments. People just fixate on the BL vs BL war in g1 MC vs Seed was at least unexpected | ||
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gingerfluffmuff
Austria4570 Posts
i know :D | ||
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Poland678 Posts
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Charoisaur
Germany15967 Posts
On June 23 2018 18:21 gingerfluffmuff wrote: Was the BL one the reasons snipe got nerfed? or was that another one? no, Snipe got nerfed way before. | ||
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ToKoreaWithLove
Norway10161 Posts
On June 23 2018 18:21 gingerfluffmuff wrote: Was the BL one the reasons snipe got nerfed? or was that another one? No old MvP vs Nestea game is credited with snipe nerf. | ||
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DieuCure
France3713 Posts
Ah k, thank you. So, Rogue vs Maru were the real finals ? | ||
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gingerfluffmuff
Austria4570 Posts
On June 23 2018 18:22 ToKoreaWithLove wrote: No old MvP vs Nestea game is credited with snipe nerf. Ah, yeah i remember now. good old times | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On June 23 2018 18:21 JimmyJRaynor wrote: Mike Tyson annihilated everything in his path until he was 24. it was not bad for boxing at all. Extremely dominating players/teams in sports are generally good for viewership but the hardcore fans always hate it. The NBA has followed this pattern quite well I think | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15967 Posts
On June 23 2018 18:21 JimmyJRaynor wrote: Mike Tyson annihilated everything in his path until he was 24. it was not bad for boxing at all. Boxer dominating wasn't bad for BW either | ||
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ToKoreaWithLove
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On June 23 2018 18:21 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: Symbol vs RorO was competitive and had some good moments. People just fixate on the BL vs BL war in g1 MC vs Seed was at least unexpected Yea I remember that era less than fondly and zoomed out for a while. | ||
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New Zealand15076 Posts
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ToKoreaWithLove
Norway10161 Posts
Omg nostradamus! | ||
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HolydaKing
21254 Posts
On June 23 2018 18:24 Phredxor wrote: Zest just trying to get it over with quickly so he can practice for HSC. Parting is gonna win HSC though. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15967 Posts
Fantasy will win ez | ||
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ramon
Germany4842 Posts
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United Kingdom49 Posts
On June 23 2018 18:22 ToKoreaWithLove wrote: No old MvP vs Nestea game is credited with snipe nerf. That game on shakuras Plateau instead being known as one of the fishiest games in sc2 history. | ||
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AND A BUNKER | ||
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LOOL | ||
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Poll: Game 4 ★★★★★ - Amazing Game (12) ★★★★ - Great Game (4) ★★★ - Decent Game (4) ★★ - Meh Game (1) ★ - Bad Game (3) 24 total votes Your vote: Game 4 (Vote): ★★★★★ - Amazing Game Poll: Game 5 ★★★★★ - Amazing Game (0) ★★★★ - Great Game (0) ★★★ - Decent Game (4) ★★ - Meh Game (1) ★ - Bad Game (0) 5 total votes Your vote: Game 5 (Vote): ★★★★★ - Amazing Game Poll: Game 6 ★★★★★ - Amazing Game (0) ★★★★ - Great Game (2) ★★★ - Decent Game (3) ★★ - Meh Game (2) ★ - Bad Game (0) 7 total votes Your vote: Game 6 (Vote): ★★★★★ - Amazing Game Poll: Game 7 ★★★★★ - Amazing Game (1) ★★★★ - Great Game (0) ★★★ - Decent Game (2) ★★ - Meh Game (5) ★ - Bad Game (0) 8 total votes Your vote: Game 7 (Vote): ★★★★★ - Amazing Game | ||
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On June 23 2018 18:29 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: Zest gonna take a game! Puts this ahead of MKP vs Mvp now OMFG NVM Maru is too fucking gud rofl | ||
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Heartland
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On June 23 2018 18:33 nojok wrote: OMG I was distracted one minute when zest had the game won and he lost? What happened. Maru pulled SCV:s and Zest did a really bad job at defending | ||
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Ryncol
United States980 Posts
On June 23 2018 18:33 nojok wrote: OMG I was distracted one minute when zest had the game won and he lost? What happened. Stimmed bio with medivacs vs gateway units | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On June 23 2018 18:33 nojok wrote: OMG I was distracted one minute when zest had the game won and he lost? What happened. Maru happened. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15967 Posts
On June 23 2018 18:33 sparklyresidue wrote: who was that dude that used to constantly shitpost about maru? Noonius? he's here | ||
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gingerfluffmuff
Austria4570 Posts
On June 23 2018 18:33 nojok wrote: OMG I was distracted one minute when zest had the game won and he lost? What happened. Stimmed marines and SCVs happened | ||
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Psychobabas
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On June 23 2018 18:33 agsub wrote: That was godlike from Maru Not even close. Zest played unbelievably bad. | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On June 23 2018 18:33 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Honestly, Jin Air players being so much better than everyone else is getting a bit boring. The finals was Rogue vs Maru and everyone knew it in the Ro8 Rogue and Maru seemed to have in planned out in the group selections as well. Then Rogue messed it up losing to Dear | ||
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ToKoreaWithLove
Norway10161 Posts
On June 23 2018 18:34 Psychobabas wrote: Not even close. Zest played unbelievably bad. Yea his control in defence was abysmal. | ||
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MarianoSC2
Slovakia1855 Posts
What a player. What an annihilation. The last game was unbelievable, is this even real or am I still dreaming? :O | ||
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nojok
France15845 Posts
On June 23 2018 18:33 Heartland wrote: Maru pulled SCV:s and Zest did a really bad job at defending Thanks | ||
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seemsgood
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On June 23 2018 18:32 gingerfluffmuff wrote: someone give Zest the number of the suicide watch hotline and noonius | ||
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DBooN
Germany2727 Posts
On June 23 2018 18:35 pwei wrote: I'm so sad, I stepped away for like an hour to do some chores, and I missed the whole series. You didn't miss much fwiw. | ||
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Australia63 Posts
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SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
On June 23 2018 18:35 sunnyshine wrote: Thought zest had that last game but why didn't he have any shield batteries? Because his decision making was surprisingly poor | ||
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United Kingdom8987 Posts
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gingerfluffmuff
Austria4570 Posts
On June 23 2018 18:35 sunnyshine wrote: Thought zest had that last game but why didn't he have any shield batteries? Cause for the price of 1 SB you can build 2 probes | ||
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SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
On June 23 2018 18:36 HolydaKing wrote: Just a little sad for the viewers that cared about seeing good games. :D There was a barcraft in Australia, I hope the drinks are cheep there at least or ain't no one coming back | ||
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Nesto
Switzerland1318 Posts
On June 23 2018 17:28 KingofdaHipHop wrote: Is artosis curse still a thing? Let's go Maru! Yes | ||
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Heartland
Sweden24580 Posts
On June 23 2018 18:35 sunnyshine wrote: Thought zest had that last game but why didn't he have any shield batteries? He might have wanted to get Zealots instead, hoping that Charge would finish which would counter the tanks. That's the only thing I can think of | ||
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Kommander
Philippines4950 Posts
On June 23 2018 18:37 Charoisaur wrote: too early for the b- word? Maru winning at least the next GSL and perhaps Blizzcon seals it for me. Others might have higher standards and require having Maru dominate next year too. | ||
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
On June 23 2018 18:36 Fango wrote: Losira talking to Zest in the back, was he the last guy who lost 0-4 in GSL final? Come to think of it...I think it actually has been that long. Wow | ||
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nojok
France15845 Posts
On June 23 2018 18:37 Charoisaur wrote: too early for the b- word? Nah, it's ok to say it, Zest was maru's bitch. | ||
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negativedge
4279 Posts
On June 23 2018 18:38 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: Come to think of it...I think it actually has been that long. Wow didn't seed 4-0 MC | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15967 Posts
On June 23 2018 18:38 Kommander wrote: Maru winning at least the next GSL and perhaps Blizzcon seals it for me. Others might have higher standards and have Maru dominate next year too. I mean, even the BW bonjwas didn't win everything except Flash, yet they were called Bonjwa. | ||
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Vutalisk
United States680 Posts
On June 23 2018 18:36 Fango wrote: Losira talking to Zest in the back, was he the last guy who lost 0-4 in GSL final? LOL, that is right. GSL finals are normally 4-2 or 4-3. | ||
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
Nope 4-1 | ||
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Phredxor
New Zealand15076 Posts
On June 23 2018 18:39 Vutalisk wrote: LOL, that is right. GSL finals are normally 4-2 or 4-3. Sometimes even 4-1. | ||
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Kommander
Philippines4950 Posts
On June 23 2018 18:39 Charoisaur wrote: I mean, even the BW bonjwas didn't win everything except Flash, yet they were called Bonjwa. BW Bonjwas also had Proleague dominance, whereas SC2 doesn't have any teamleagues so, you pretty much only have the individual premier tournaments as gauges at this point. | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
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ToKoreaWithLove
Norway10161 Posts
On June 23 2018 18:40 Kommander wrote: BW Bonjwas also had Proleague dominance, whereas SC2 doesn't have any teamleagues so, you pretty much only have the individual premier tournaments as gauges at this point. Could argue that Maru dominated the last teamleague. | ||
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Inflicted
Australia18228 Posts
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On June 23 2018 18:40 Kommander wrote: BW Bonjwas also had Proleague dominance, whereas SC2 doesn't have any teamleagues so, you pretty much only have the individual premier tournaments as gauges at this point. Proleague may not be a thing anymore, but Maru was probably the best proleague player in SC2. So that counts for something legacy-wise | ||
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Waxangel
United States33397 Posts
On June 23 2018 18:38 Kommander wrote: Maru winning at least the next GSL and perhaps Blizzcon seals it for me. Others might have higher standards and require having Maru dominate next year too. Bonjwa is the stupidest thing the Korean BW community ever made and I hate it. But if I had to entertain the idea for a second, if the community didn't allow Jaedong the title for his 2009~2010 run, then Maru doesn't deserve it for his first-half 2018 performances. | ||
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DieuCure
France3713 Posts
On June 23 2018 18:41 ToKoreaWithLove wrote: Could argue that Maru dominated the last teamleague. He wasnt in the last VSL !! | ||
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Phredxor
New Zealand15076 Posts
On June 23 2018 18:41 ToKoreaWithLove wrote: Could argue that Maru dominated the last teamleague. Not really relevant when it was almost two years ago though. | ||
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Kommander
Philippines4950 Posts
On June 23 2018 18:42 Waxangel wrote: Bonjwa is the stupidest thing the Korean BW community ever made and I hate it. But if I had to entertain the idea for a second, if the community didn't allow Jaedong the title for his 2009~2010 run, then Maru doesn't deserve it for his first-half 2018 performances. I get what you're saying, but Maru doesn't have an equal right now it seems, as opposed to Jaedong who had Flash. Rogue is the closest, probably, but not on an equal footing the way Jaedong and Flash were at that point. | ||
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sc-darkness
856 Posts
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Waxangel
United States33397 Posts
On June 23 2018 18:45 Kommander wrote: I get what you're saying, but Maru doesn't have an equal right now it seems, as opposed to Jaedong who had Flash. Rogue is the closest, probably, but not on an equal footing the way Jaedong and Flash were at that point. And Rogue crushed him at IEM? You don't get to do this off a 3 month window. Anyway I'm going to stop here, since I've already said I hate bonjwa talk. | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On June 23 2018 18:46 Waxangel wrote: And Rogue crushed him at IEM? You don't get to do this off a 3 month window. Anyway I'm going to stop here, since I've already said I hate bonjwa talk. Jaedong also beat Flash a couple times, but it's clear who was more succesful overall that year. You don't have to win every match to be a bonjwa. Right now it's pretty clear that Maru has no equal. | ||
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Ej_
47656 Posts
On June 23 2018 18:50 Fango wrote: Jaedong also beat Flash a couple times, but it's clear who was more succesful overall that year. You don't have to win every match to be a bonjwa. Right now it's pretty clear that Maru has no equal. Has The Fango become a Brood War expert too? Truly, his limiters have been taken off. | ||
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Phredxor
New Zealand15076 Posts
On June 23 2018 18:52 Ej_ wrote: Has The Fango become a Brood War expert too? Truly, his limiters have been taken off. Ultra Instinct Fango. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15967 Posts
On June 23 2018 18:50 Fango wrote: Jaedong also beat Flash a couple times, but it's clear who was more succesful overall that year. You don't have to win every match to be a bonjwa. Right now it's pretty clear that Maru has no equal. I mean he only narrowly beat Rogue 3-2 so Rogue is definitely close to him. | ||
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Tyrhanius
France947 Posts
Maru could have dominated the scene from the start of LOTV if he was really above every players. He did not. It's just the meta right now favors his agressive playstyle, and probably the other kor play worst due to region lock/kespa team disbands. | ||
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seemsgood
5527 Posts
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On June 23 2018 18:52 Ej_ wrote: Has The Fango become a Brood War expert too? Truly, his limiters have been taken off. TIL you have to be an expert to say that Flash did better than Jaedong during his era | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15967 Posts
On June 23 2018 18:54 Tyrhanius wrote: 5/7 GSL were won by Terrans on LOTV and each time we heard "Byun is a god", "Gumiho is best", "Innovation best players of the world", now it's just Maru's turn. Maru could have dominated the scene from the start of LOTV if he was really above every players. He did not. It's just the meta right now favors his agressive playstyle, and probably the other kor play worst due to region lock/kespa team disbands. Great theory but he said he practices much harder this year than before so I guess that's the reason for his results. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15967 Posts
On June 23 2018 18:54 seemsgood wrote: the problem of "bonjwa" term is you guys can't reach a same agreement.Without a standard arguing about this is pointless. Right but I think it's pretty cool that we have a player good enough that there's discussion about it. We don't have that often in SC2. | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On June 23 2018 18:54 Tyrhanius wrote: 5/7 GSL were won by Terrans on LOTV and each time we heard "Byun is a god", "Gumiho is best", "Innovation best players of the world", now it's just Maru's turn. Maru could have dominated the scene from the start of LOTV if he was really above every players. He did not. It's just the meta right now favors his agressive playstyle, and probably the other kor play worst due to region lock/kespa team disbands. That's what happens. Metas change, patches change, maps change, the reigning best player in the world also changes. Maru did worse last year than he did now. Just like nhow INno did trash the first year of LoTV, or how ByuN has done much worse in the last year. Or how Zest won the first GSL in LoTV and was borderline irrelevent the next year etc etc | ||
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Waxangel
United States33397 Posts
On June 23 2018 18:57 Charoisaur wrote: Right but I think it's pretty cool that we have a player good enough that there's discussion about it. We don't have that often in SC2. no it's actually incredibly lame that the foreign community obsesses over it when people stopped taking it seriously in Korea once the fad passed in 2010~2011 | ||
BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES50123 Posts
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Charoisaur
Germany15967 Posts
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES50123 Posts
On June 23 2018 19:01 Waxangel wrote: no it's actually incredibly lame that the foreign community obsesses over it when people stopped taking it seriously in Korea once the fad passed in 2010~2011 bonjwa is old meta, now its GOAT meta. On June 23 2018 19:03 Charoisaur wrote: No Bonjwa confirmed, Zest is just bad https://twitter.com/avilosc2/status/1010455994651107328 "Wack" - Hannibal Buress | ||
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seemsgood
5527 Posts
On June 23 2018 18:55 Charoisaur wrote: Great theory but he said he practices much harder this year than before so I guess that's the reason for his results. you wouldn't see this kind of result in final if SKT,KT...ect.. were still a thing.i really dislike thier disbanding decision for a reason JA players don't simply become good for no reason you know | ||
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DieuCure
France3713 Posts
On June 23 2018 19:06 seemsgood wrote: you wouldn't see this kind of result in final if SKT,KT...ect.. were still a thing.i really dislike thier disbanding decision for a reason JA players don't simply become good for no reason you know sOs Trap Cure Creator arent overperforming, Maru/Rogue weren't too good in 2017 ( except Rogue in the last half of the year ). | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15967 Posts
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On June 23 2018 19:06 seemsgood wrote: you wouldn't see this kind of result in final if SKT,KT...ect.. were still a thing.i really dislike thier disbanding decision for a reason JA players don't simply become good for no reason you know Well you say that but guys like soO and INno actually did much better the year SKT disbanded. It varies from player to player. The only Jin Air player who's done drastically better after the disbanding was Rogue. The others have been getting similar results to before. sOs, Creator, and Cure are actually doing worse. Maru is doing better than his HotS self but not by a huge amount. | ||
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swissman777
1106 Posts
On June 23 2018 19:11 Charoisaur wrote: If I'm correct Maru has also narrowly surpassed Jaedong as Starcrafts top earner Are accounting inflation as well? | ||
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seemsgood
5527 Posts
On June 23 2018 19:10 DieuCure wrote: sOs Trap Cure Creator arent overperforming, Maru/Rogue weren't too good in 2017 ( except Rogue in the last half of the year ). well they have a coach and he knows what's up.When they play a tournament,they creat a much better pratice environment .Teamless players are showing thier sigh of exhaustion in this race.I don't think they can keep up even after the next big patch and do not count sOs out | ||
Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51489 Posts
Maru has cleaned sweep so much this year! IEM Season XII - World Championship - Semi Finals World Electronic Sports Games 2017 - Winner 2018 Global StarCraft II League Season 1/Code S - Winner 2018 Global StarCraft II League Season 2/Code S - Winner Netting him a cool $300,000 at the half way point of the year! Can he dominate and take home a blizzcon title? Three GSL championships in a row? | ||
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FrashQ
53 Posts
On June 23 2018 19:33 Pandemona wrote: Back2Back GSL Champion Maru has cleaned sweep so much this year! IEM Season XII - World Championship - Semi Finals World Electronic Sports Games 2017 - Winner 2018 Global StarCraft II League Season 1/Code S - Winner 2018 Global StarCraft II League Season 2/Code S - Winner Netting him a cool $300,000 at the half way point of the year! Can he dominate and take home a blizzcon title? Three GSL championships in a row? For sure. The only ones that have any chance to stop him are Rogue or TY maybe. TvP he's untouchable. | ||
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Aunvilgodess
954 Posts
On June 23 2018 18:37 Charoisaur wrote: too early for the b- word? For me a win or a 2nd place in season 3 might do it. Alternatively a top 8 next season and a win in the Global finals. | ||
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Aunvilgodess
954 Posts
On June 23 2018 18:42 Waxangel wrote: Bonjwa is the stupidest thing the Korean BW community ever made and I hate it. But if I had to entertain the idea for a second, if the community didn't allow Jaedong the title for his 2009~2010 run, then Maru doesn't deserve it for his first-half 2018 performances. You just hate fun On June 23 2018 19:01 Waxangel wrote: no it's actually incredibly lame that the foreign community obsesses over it when people stopped taking it seriously in Korea once the fad passed in 2010~2011 Now thats just gatekeeping But anyway I'll be having fun discussing the b- word | ||
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DSK
England1110 Posts
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Poopi
France12886 Posts
I missed it fuck I forgot about it | ||
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neutralrobot
Australia1025 Posts
On June 23 2018 19:04 BLinD-RawR wrote: bonjwa is old meta, now its GOAT meta. "Wack" - Hannibal Buress Let Maru win another GSL and I think it'll be pretty hard to get him off the GOAT train. Whatever label we use, Maru may be well on his way to being the Flash of SC2. Guess we'll have to see how it pans out, but my guess would be that Maru will win another season. Rather than "God", I think of Maru as some kind of Lovecraftian cosmic monster, like Cthulu | ||
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Penev
28481 Posts
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stilt
France2749 Posts
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Aunvilgodess
954 Posts
On June 23 2018 22:34 stilt wrote: Bonjwa or goat in this very reduced korean scene seems like a big overstatement, I don't enven rank MAru on the top 3 T considering the opposition. Except for jin air, all the teams disbanded since 2 years, there are no fresh blood at all, a lot of retirement, Maru is very strong but come on, Zest was way better before, as it has been said, in the long run, the jin air players benefit from their training, the direct emulation, the coach ext. Their mechanics (especially Rogue and Maru) are always on top while the others can slump pretty hard. So who are top 3 T then? LOL | ||
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Obamarauder
697 Posts
probably something like avilo, ruff and upatree | ||
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neutralrobot
Australia1025 Posts
On June 23 2018 23:32 Obamarauder wrote: probably something like avilo, ruff and upatree The top 3 spots are all left blank. Nobody is good enough. | ||
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iamho
United States3347 Posts
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Shathe
Hungary422 Posts
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Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
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stilt
France2749 Posts
Mvp, inno and Taeja impressed me way more. "LOL" The same can be said about Life who will always surclass Rogue. 2 years old poster, you must have no idea of whom I'm talking. | ||
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juicyjames
United States3815 Posts
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Boggyb
2855 Posts
On June 24 2018 03:25 juicyjames wrote: Was this recommended? Only if you're a super Maru fanboy. | ||
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
On June 24 2018 03:25 juicyjames wrote: Was this recommended? No, no it was not. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada16711 Posts
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SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
On June 24 2018 03:25 juicyjames wrote: Was this recommended? I could maybe recommend game 4 if you want a good laugh but that's about it. | ||
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geokilla
Canada8240 Posts
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Aunvilgodess
954 Posts
On June 24 2018 02:23 stilt wrote: Mvp, inno and Taeja impressed me way more. "LOL" The same can be said about Life who will always surclass Rogue. 2 years old poster, you must have no idea of whom I'm talking. Oh look whos on a high horse ahahaha | ||
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DieuCure
France3713 Posts
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Topin
Peru10080 Posts
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Kevin_Sorbo
Canada3217 Posts
We got robbed of a sick finals when Rogue and Maru ended up on the same side of the bracket. | ||
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jedi1982
United States172 Posts
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showstealer1829
Australia3123 Posts
That's easy in fact I can give you the top 10 Terrans 1. BitByBit 2. BitByBit 3. BitByBit 4. BitByBit 5. BitByBit 6. BitByBit 7. BitByBit 8. BitByBit 9. BitByBit 10. BitByBit | ||
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IshinShishi
Japan6156 Posts
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DieuCure
France3713 Posts
I'm sure Maru is much weaker than back then ! | ||
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dummy1
420 Posts
On June 25 2018 09:20 IshinShishi wrote: Watched it. This finals doesn't come even close to changing anything, such overhype, Mvp still goat etc. Somehow people can compare dominance in what would be the Champions League in terms of hype and competition (just use the search bar and see how many comments and views we had in the first GSLs) to dominance in Mid-Sussex Football League Division Nine era. Dude, wtf are you talking about? Why you so mad? | ||
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zealotstim
United States455 Posts
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Nakajin
Canada8989 Posts
On June 25 2018 09:20 IshinShishi wrote: Watched it. This finals doesn't come even close to changing anything, such overhype, Mvp still goat etc. Somehow people can compare dominance in what would be the Champions League in terms of hype and competition (just use the search bar and see how many comments and views we had in the first GSLs) to dominance in Mid-Sussex Football League Division Nine era. Why the hell are you even watching if your saying it's shit? | ||
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mierin
United States4943 Posts
EDIT: I do think Maru is really good, but we have another starcraft game dominated by a Terran. Just hoping this one doesn't end up like that. | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On June 25 2018 09:20 IshinShishi wrote: Watched it. This finals doesn't come even close to changing anything, such overhype, Mvp still goat etc. Somehow people can compare dominance in what would be the Champions League in terms of hype and competition (just use the search bar and see how many comments and views we had in the first GSLs) to dominance in Mid-Sussex Football League Division Nine era. Viewership = skill Fortnite = highest skilled game | ||
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DieuCure
France3713 Posts
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On June 25 2018 21:51 Fango wrote: Viewership = skill Fortnite = highest skilled game I always find it funny when people use their imaginery concept of skill to play elitist. In general the competition is harder the more people play the game, the more new players join the scene and therefore push the status quo. You play vs other humans, not the game itself. But yeah starcraft people like to boast "hurr durr highest skill game hurr durr", nothing new. Probably not the right thread for this argument though, gz to maru. I only catched the vods but this finals wasn't competitive at all sadly. I hope he can go for the 3rd in a row now, there aren't a lot of peope who can really challenge him atm i think, though his tvt is quite the mystery tbf. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15967 Posts
On June 25 2018 22:04 The_Red_Viper wrote: In general the competition is harder the more people play the game, the more new players join the scene and therefore push the status quo. It's not as easy as that. If 100000 casual players join the scene it has nothing to do with the skill level at the top. Or would you say the SC2 Pro scene got more competitive with all the f2p players starting sc2? I wouldn't say sc2 is the game that requires the most skill but I'd guess the percentage of hardcore vs casual players is higher than in other games which makes up for the lower player numbers. | ||
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Ej_
47656 Posts
The overall number of players doesn't matter. The number of players who can beat each other in tournaments does. Absolute skill level is a different matter, but SC2 is nowhere near as competitive as it was 3 years ago. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On June 25 2018 22:42 Charoisaur wrote: It's not as easy as that. If 100000 casual players join the scene it has nothing to do with the skill level at the top. Or would you say the SC2 Pro scene got more competitive with all the f2p players starting sc2? I wouldn't say sc2 is the game that requires the most skill but I'd guess the percentage of hardcore vs casual players is higher than in other games which makes up for the lower player numbers. Well ofc a new player won't instantly increase the competitive lvl at the very top, but that is not the point really. It's about the potential, the talent pool. If you search for the next big star it's more likely to find him in a bigger pool. And yes ofc this is simplified, you could have less players but still be a more competitive scene because there are other factors as well, but i don't think that these factors are that different between the scenes to really matter most of the time. You say there are more hardcore players relatively, but that's just a guess and i wouldn't really see why that is tbh, quite the opposite actually because one big factor for this is the motivation to even become pro. In a new scene which has a lot of money on the line it seems more likely that people would wanna tryhard to get to the financial reward. | ||
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Lorning
Belgica34432 Posts
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RampancyTW
United States577 Posts
On June 25 2018 23:10 The_Red_Viper wrote: Well ofc a new player won't instantly increase the competitive lvl at the very top, but that is not the point really. It's about the potential, the talent pool. If you search for the next big star it's more likely to find him in a bigger pool. And yes ofc this is simplified, you could have less players but still be a more competitive scene because there are other factors as well, but i don't think that these factors are that different between the scenes to really matter most of the time. You say there are more hardcore players relatively, but that's just a guess and i wouldn't really see why that is tbh, quite the opposite actually because one big factor for this is the motivation to even become pro. In a new scene which has a lot of money on the line it seems more likely that people would wanna tryhard to get to the financial reward. Current players are far more skilled than players of any other era and it isn't even close. Top player vs. top player will often have engagements in three different places with both players exhibiting excellent control on all three fronts. Watching games from 3+ years ago tends to be boring AF because the players aren't anywhere near the same caliber. | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On June 25 2018 22:04 The_Red_Viper wrote: I always find it funny when people use their imaginery concept of skill to play elitist. In general the competition is harder the more people play the game, the more new players join the scene and therefore push the status quo. You play vs other humans, not the game itself. But yeah starcraft people like to boast "hurr durr highest skill game hurr durr", nothing new. Probably not the right thread for this argument though, gz to maru. I only catched the vods but this finals wasn't competitive at all sadly. I hope he can go for the 3rd in a row now, there aren't a lot of peope who can really challenge him atm i think, though his tvt is quite the mystery tbf. It's not as straight forward as # of competitors = more competitive. Let alone # of viewers like the poster above was saying. A lot of the pros that retired were the ones who were unable to make much of impact. Retiring after failing to qualify for GSL etc. Having fewer new talents of time is certainly a factor though. Over the last 2-3 years WCS circuit has more competitors entering it, as well as much more new talent. But in terms of skill it's clearly behind GSL. I don't think they'll catch up any time soon. In terms of a subjective/arbitary view of the skill level. I would the past year or so as by far the highest. WoL being the lowest. Of course this is just an opinion and there's no real way to quantify it. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada16711 Posts
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SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
On June 26 2018 06:18 JimmyJRaynor wrote: WCS is to SC2 what the Canadian Football League is to tackle football. Both are very entertaining and both are a substantial step down from the world's best league. I can't remember the last time I heard something good about the CFL, it's pretty widely seen as joke league. I guess it is like WCS | ||
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Ej_
47656 Posts
On June 26 2018 03:32 RampancyTW wrote: Current players are far more skilled than players of any other era and it isn't even close. Top player vs. top player will often have engagements in three different places with both players exhibiting excellent control on all three fronts. Watching games from 3+ years ago tends to be boring AF because the players aren't anywhere near the same caliber. Again, the ability of the best of the players has very little to do with the game being more or less competitive if there is barely enough progamersnto fill Code S, let alone allow a major turn over (~50%) in ro16 | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15967 Posts
On June 26 2018 03:32 RampancyTW wrote: Current players are far more skilled than players of any other era and it isn't even close. Top player vs. top player will often have engagements in three different places with both players exhibiting excellent control on all three fronts. Watching games from 3+ years ago tends to be boring AF because the players aren't anywhere near the same caliber. I can't put in words how much I disagree with that. | ||
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