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hiroshOne
Profile Joined October 2015
Poland425 Posts
March 26 2018 18:45 GMT
#561
^^ I wonder if u would call them sick if Dark was the one who wins it :-))
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yangluphil
Profile Joined July 2015
318 Posts
March 27 2018 06:06 GMT
#562
Terran units are by design the most cost efficient in the ultimate late game. So I don't think it's a problem that 3/3 ghosts feel op. For the same reason I don't think ravens being op per se is the problem. 200 supply ravens were even stronger pre AAM.

What's different now is how easy it is to get to mass ravens. Don't get me wrong, there should be a strategy for terrans to consistently get to late game assuming they don't make mistakes. Otherwise, what's the point of having the strong late game units?

However, it feels that with speed buff, banshees in the mid-game are way too good. Hydras on creep can't even properly defend them. They are safer, deals more damage and requires less multitasking than bio drops. Did I mention that they seamlessly transition to mass ravens? To me, mass banshees should be a harass strategy that can force opponents to reposition so that it can buy time for ravens. But it should not make Terrans have the upper hand in mid-game and should be a bit riskier than as is. That's just straight from game design's POV and it has nothing to do with balance (I do realize pre-buff banshees were just gimmicks so I don't mean we should go back). I'd be perfectly fine to have an adjustment that buffs terrans overall if it improves the state of the game.
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fronkschnonk
Profile Joined November 2011
Germany622 Posts
March 27 2018 07:20 GMT
#563
Funny how everyone forgets that the matches of Maru vs Dark were very close. It's not that Maru dominated Dark to the ground.
Furthermore, I consider that some kind of Code A must be reestablished.
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
March 27 2018 07:24 GMT
#564
On March 27 2018 16:20 fronkschnonk wrote:
Funny how everyone forgets that the matches of Maru vs Dark were very close. It's not that Maru dominated Dark to the ground.

Very long doesn't mean very close ;o
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Ansibled
Profile Joined November 2014
United Kingdom9872 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-03-27 14:26:17
March 27 2018 14:26 GMT
#565
On March 27 2018 16:24 Ej_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2018 16:20 fronkschnonk wrote:
Funny how everyone forgets that the matches of Maru vs Dark were very close. It's not that Maru dominated Dark to the ground.

Very long doesn't mean very close ;o

Are you really trying to say that the series weren't close?
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Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States14000 Posts
March 27 2018 14:39 GMT
#566
On March 27 2018 23:26 Ansibled wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2018 16:24 Ej_ wrote:
On March 27 2018 16:20 fronkschnonk wrote:
Funny how everyone forgets that the matches of Maru vs Dark were very close. It's not that Maru dominated Dark to the ground.

Very long doesn't mean very close ;o

Are you really trying to say that the series weren't close?

A couple games were close...others especially the last were utterly one sided
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nath
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1788 Posts
March 29 2018 00:17 GMT
#567
It seems ... weird to contend that Maru's success says something is wrong with late game Terran.
I haven't watched all TvZ's recently but I don't see other Terran having the same late-game success. Maybe give the kid some credit?
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pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-03-29 00:44:59
March 29 2018 00:38 GMT
#568
On March 29 2018 09:17 nath wrote:
It seems ... weird to contend that Maru's success says something is wrong with late game Terran.
I haven't watched all TvZ's recently but I don't see other Terran having the same late-game success. Maybe give the kid some credit?


It seems weird because you're giving the Zerg whiners too much credit.

Maru won --> they whine.
Maru plays Terran --> they whine about Terran.
Maru used Ravens --> they whine about Ravens.
etc

If Maru was a Protoss player that used Carriers to win, they'd whine about that too.

To be fair, if Dark won there would also be whine from Terran. And no matter who wins in the finals, there will most certainly be a great deal of whine about them.
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yangluphil
Profile Joined July 2015
318 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-03-29 05:53:44
March 29 2018 05:35 GMT
#569
On March 29 2018 09:17 nath wrote:
It seems ... weird to contend that Maru's success says something is wrong with late game Terran.
I haven't watched all TvZ's recently but I don't see other Terran having the same late-game success. Maybe give the kid some credit?

Where did you get the impression that criticism is targeted at Maru the player or Terran the race? Maru is my second favorite terran (love all JAGW players) behind TY. I don't like Inno's playstyle at all but I had no problem with him winning so much last year.

Rain is my favorite player of all time and I argue against force field and how PVZ is broken for the whole HOTS era. Phoenix adept too was utterly broken last year, and there's nothing wrong pointing that out after herO wins GSL ST. We can't even discuss the game?

There are balance whiners on one hand. There are balance whine whiners, who whine everything is balance whine, on the other.
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yangluphil
Profile Joined July 2015
318 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-03-29 05:56:12
March 29 2018 05:50 GMT
#570
On March 27 2018 23:26 Ansibled wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2018 16:24 Ej_ wrote:
On March 27 2018 16:20 fronkschnonk wrote:
Funny how everyone forgets that the matches of Maru vs Dark were very close. It's not that Maru dominated Dark to the ground.

Very long doesn't mean very close ;o

Are you really trying to say that the series weren't close?

G1 and G5, especially G5 was reasonably close. G2 was short and one-sided. G3,G4 and G6 were all one sided albeit long, including the game that Dark won. It was super easy to call the winner just based on whether Terran could stabilize for a while at 8-10 ravens. If Zerg takes a short break in continuous remaxing and throwing swarms at the terran's outskirt base during this stage (e.g., because bank ran out or w/e) then he would lose, and it would not matter if Zerg can regain a 10k bank or higher after this hiatus. Latter half of the games were just going through the motions.
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Argonauta
Profile Joined July 2016
Spain4967 Posts
March 29 2018 06:11 GMT
#571
On March 27 2018 23:39 Cricketer12 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2018 23:26 Ansibled wrote:
On March 27 2018 16:24 Ej_ wrote:
On March 27 2018 16:20 fronkschnonk wrote:
Funny how everyone forgets that the matches of Maru vs Dark were very close. It's not that Maru dominated Dark to the ground.

Very long doesn't mean very close ;o

Are you really trying to say that the series weren't close?

A couple games were close...others especially the last were utterly one sided


you mean the one which maru was on 3 CC and Dark allined and failed? the surprise was that dark ddint gg out after the attack
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yangluphil
Profile Joined July 2015
318 Posts
June 02 2018 07:36 GMT
#572
On March 24 2018 15:58 Wildmoon wrote:
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On March 24 2018 15:53 yangluphil wrote:
I agree with Maru. Rogue > Dark. Still, Rogue specifically said at IEM after beating Maru that ZvT late game is too hard for him to win at the moment. Look up his interview.

You guys think only Maru can do this. Wait for season 2. Maru specifically waited for all terrans to drop out from GSL, IEM before pulling this build for the first time. That's pretty smart and deserves credit. But "If ravens is so op why are terrans suffering?" does not hold ground because of it. Again, nothing against Terran and they should be buffed in other aspect. Only against the late game unit comp that became easier to transition into because of banshees, and stronger than ever before because of AAM. One of those things is probably ok to experiment with but not both.


Let's wait until the evidence comes in to back up the claim then?

Hey TvZ at 60% GSL S2 even with raven nerf and TvP appears playable. Who would have thunk.
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