On August 30 2017 22:48 The_Red_Viper wrote: The ideal scenario would be Inno and Stats splitting GSL/SSL. Definitely the two players in korean starcraft this year. Ofc Stats winning both would be hype as well.
PLs no antihype thing with none of the two winning, that would suck.
I'm disgusted to admit that since I hate the player but the hypest thing now would definitely be a sOs victory
That would only be "hype" if he then wins blizzcon. Too much assumptions, i would rather go for the two actual good players winning things
Call me a fanboy, but sOs's form seems to increase the closer he gets to blizzcon.
If he qualifies, I'd favour him to win over Inno. Sometimes history just repeats itself
You are a fanboy (though tbf i didn't see today's games ) But i am a hater so it evens out probably. He is in the GSL semis and that's certainly impressive, so maybe he actually does it. I still would bet on Inno or Stats though, they have more results to back it up.
How'd I do selling the abysmal sOs/Solar series in the recap? I fit a single quip in, but DOESN'T IT MAKE YOU WANT TO WATCH THOSE GAMES?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
Who was saying Rogue vs Stats was an obvious Rogue liquibet again? Fuck I almost made it further than top 7, but now I'm probably gonna lose some places :/.
On August 31 2017 00:47 Poopi wrote: Who was saying Rogue vs Stats was an obvious Rogue liquibet again? Fuck I almost made it further than top 7, but now I'm probably gonna lose some places :/.
It was an obvious bet if Rogue didn't use TLO-but-in-bronze-league strats
On August 31 2017 00:47 Poopi wrote: Who was saying Rogue vs Stats was an obvious Rogue liquibet again? Fuck I almost made it further than top 7, but now I'm probably gonna lose some places :/.
It was an obvious bet if Rogue didn't use TLO-but-in-bronze-league strats
No I'm tired of people defending him as some zerg god even after he just lost. The guy won 21k $ this year out of nowhere and he is praised as the Dark of 2017 or something?
I think people don't accept that sc2 is highly volatile at the top level, so whenever someone "new" wins a tournament, they think he is gonna do well in the next tournaments and if not, it's just bad luck or whatever. But the harsh truth is that they are all at the same level depending on days.
About sOs becoming better because Blizzcon is soon, I share this opinion too and that's why I gambled and betted on him: when he is expected to crush foreigners he plays like shit so we think he is bad, but when everybody starts to think he is bad he can make great upsets. His wins and losses are as hard to predict for us as his gameplay is for his opponents.
On August 31 2017 00:47 Poopi wrote: Who was saying Rogue vs Stats was an obvious Rogue liquibet again? Fuck I almost made it further than top 7, but now I'm probably gonna lose some places :/.
It was an obvious bet if Rogue didn't use TLO-but-in-bronze-league strats
No I'm tired of people defending him as some zerg god even after he just lost. The guy won 21k $ this year out of nowhere and he is praised as the Dark of 2017 or something?
I think people don't accept that sc2 is highly volatile at the top level, so whenever someone "new" wins a tournament, they think he is gonna do well in the next tournaments and if not, it's just bad luck or whatever. But the harsh truth is that they are all at the same level depending on days.
About sOs becoming better because Blizzcon is soon, I share this opinion too and that's why I gambled and betted on him: when he is expected to crush foreigners he plays like shit so we think he is bad, but when everybody starts to think he is bad he can make great upsets. His wins and losses are as hard to predict for us as his gameplay is for his opponents.
It's not really an out-of-nowhere win when he was crushing ladder at that time and was long overdue for a win. Rogue has been a GSL Ro8 level player for a large part of the last few years and can definitely win if he ups his game just a tiny bit more
On August 31 2017 00:47 Poopi wrote: Who was saying Rogue vs Stats was an obvious Rogue liquibet again? Fuck I almost made it further than top 7, but now I'm probably gonna lose some places :/.
It was an obvious bet if Rogue didn't use TLO-but-in-bronze-league strats
No I'm tired of people defending him as some zerg god even after he just lost. The guy won 21k $ this year out of nowhere and he is praised as the Dark of 2017 or something?
I think people don't accept that sc2 is highly volatile at the top level, so whenever someone "new" wins a tournament, they think he is gonna do well in the next tournaments and if not, it's just bad luck or whatever. But the harsh truth is that they are all at the same level depending on days.
About sOs becoming better because Blizzcon is soon, I share this opinion too and that's why I gambled and betted on him: when he is expected to crush foreigners he plays like shit so we think he is bad, but when everybody starts to think he is bad he can make great upsets. His wins and losses are as hard to predict for us as his gameplay is for his opponents.
It's not really an out-of-nowhere win when he was crushing ladder at that time and was long overdue for a win. Rogue has been a GSL Ro8 level player for a large part of the last few years and can definitely win if he ups his game just a tiny bit more
Everybody and anybody "crushes" ladder. A lot of players are GSL ro8 level players (basically all the koreans left could be seen as ro8 level players depending on group stages luck), and all of them CAN definitely win if they up their game a tiny bit as well.
Basically your answer supports the point that all the KR players left (that were decent to begin with, not "bad" ones like Billowy or whatever) are very close in skill.
On August 31 2017 00:47 Poopi wrote: Who was saying Rogue vs Stats was an obvious Rogue liquibet again? Fuck I almost made it further than top 7, but now I'm probably gonna lose some places :/.
It was an obvious bet if Rogue didn't use TLO-but-in-bronze-league strats
No I'm tired of people defending him as some zerg god even after he just lost. The guy won 21k $ this year out of nowhere and he is praised as the Dark of 2017 or something?
I think people don't accept that sc2 is highly volatile at the top level, so whenever someone "new" wins a tournament, they think he is gonna do well in the next tournaments and if not, it's just bad luck or whatever. But the harsh truth is that they are all at the same level depending on days.
About sOs becoming better because Blizzcon is soon, I share this opinion too and that's why I gambled and betted on him: when he is expected to crush foreigners he plays like shit so we think he is bad, but when everybody starts to think he is bad he can make great upsets. His wins and losses are as hard to predict for us as his gameplay is for his opponents.
It's not really an out-of-nowhere win when he was crushing ladder at that time and was long overdue for a win. Rogue has been a GSL Ro8 level player for a large part of the last few years and can definitely win if he ups his game just a tiny bit more
Everybody and anybody "crushes" ladder. A lot of players are GSL ro8 level players (basically all the koreans left could be seen as ro8 level players depending on group stages luck), and all of them CAN definitely win if they up their game a tiny bit as well.
Basically your answer supports the point that all the KR players left (that were decent to begin with, not "bad" ones like Billowy or whatever) are very close in skill.
Nah a Ro8 player is one who can be reasonably favored to make top 8, not just one who maybe could. Not every single Korean player is that. Rogue is just a few holes in his mental game away from being GSL champ level, hence why today was a huge disappointment.
On August 30 2017 20:15 brickrd wrote: you know, an angry terran on ladder once screamed at me that he didn't believe me when i said i play starcraft for fun because no one who plays sc2 enjoys it anymore, and after reading this thread i think he might be right not only about people who play it but people who watch it
Personnaly i'm watching it 100% for fun and 100% for love.
On August 30 2017 20:31 brickrd wrote: feel like solar is the korean TLO, super likeable creative micro guy who often appears to be really good and succeeds after patches but is somehow just overall a tier below the top players in his region
Can't agree with you, Solar has made it to the grand final of 8 Ptremier tournament and won half of them. A triple time Dreamhack champion and a SSL champion is nowhere near TLO's level...
i said "a tier below the top players in his region" which makes it abundantly clear that i don't think they're on the same skill level... i was referring to their role relative to their peers, not equating their skill... why would i say "korean TLO" if i weren't implying solar is much better since everyone knows koreans are on a higher level?
On August 31 2017 00:47 Poopi wrote: Who was saying Rogue vs Stats was an obvious Rogue liquibet again? Fuck I almost made it further than top 7, but now I'm probably gonna lose some places :/.
It was an obvious bet if Rogue didn't use TLO-but-in-bronze-league strats
No I'm tired of people defending him as some zerg god even after he just lost. The guy won 21k $ this year out of nowhere and he is praised as the Dark of 2017 or something?
I think people don't accept that sc2 is highly volatile at the top level, so whenever someone "new" wins a tournament, they think he is gonna do well in the next tournaments and if not, it's just bad luck or whatever. But the harsh truth is that they are all at the same level depending on days.
About sOs becoming better because Blizzcon is soon, I share this opinion too and that's why I gambled and betted on him: when he is expected to crush foreigners he plays like shit so we think he is bad, but when everybody starts to think he is bad he can make great upsets. His wins and losses are as hard to predict for us as his gameplay is for his opponents.
It's not really an out-of-nowhere win when he was crushing ladder at that time and was long overdue for a win. Rogue has been a GSL Ro8 level player for a large part of the last few years and can definitely win if he ups his game just a tiny bit more
Everybody and anybody "crushes" ladder. A lot of players are GSL ro8 level players (basically all the koreans left could be seen as ro8 level players depending on group stages luck), and all of them CAN definitely win if they up their game a tiny bit as well.
Basically your answer supports the point that all the KR players left (that were decent to begin with, not "bad" ones like Billowy or whatever) are very close in skill.
Nah a Ro8 player is one who can be reasonably favored to make top 8, not just one who maybe could. Not every single Korean player is that. Rogue is just a few holes in his mental game away from being GSL champ level, hence why today was a huge disappointment.
And I maintain you can find a lot of these players. Maru, TY, INno, ByuN, aLive for terrans. Dark, Rogue, soO, Solar for zergs. Stats, Classic, herO, sOs, Zest for protosses.
That's already 14 players that are Ro8 level players and I probably forgot some :x. Basically all the SSL players (premier+challenge) could be considered GSL ro8 because they are at roughly the same level.
On August 31 2017 00:47 Poopi wrote: Who was saying Rogue vs Stats was an obvious Rogue liquidbet again? Fuck I almost made it further than top 7, but now I'm probably gonna lose some places :/.
It was an obvious bet if Rogue didn't use TLO-but-in-bronze-league strats
No I'm tired of people defending him as some zerg god even after he just lost. The guy won 21k $ this year out of nowhere and he is praised as the Dark of 2017 or something?
I think people don't accept that sc2 is highly volatile at the top level, so whenever someone "new" wins a tournament, they think he is gonna do well in the next tournaments and if not, it's just bad luck or whatever. But the harsh truth is that they are all at the same level depending on days.
About sOs becoming better because Blizzcon is soon, I share this opinion too and that's why I gambled and betted on him: when he is expected to crush foreigners he plays like shit so we think he is bad, but when everybody starts to think he is bad he can make great upsets. His wins and losses are as hard to predict for us as his gameplay is for his opponents.
Rogue is by far the best Zerg of this year. If he is mentally prepared and does not feel that much pressure, he is the most solid Z player across all 3 matchups. And there we go... "if he is mentally prepared and does not feel that much pressure". That is what Rogue is all about. He was the better player last GSL against soO, he even had the last game won but crumbled under pressure. He was the favourite against State in his current form and ZvP being his best MU but again he made it easy for Stats and basically defeated himself by using stupid builds. He was top 3 Korea ladder for what, half a year? Maybe he still is? 7k+ MMR for 3 months? That is not an easy feat at all.
People are right to hype him up because he deserves it, at least for this year. Anyone who saw him play knows what a beast he is. If he ever sorts out the issues in his head in important matches he will be GSL champ level for sure
On August 31 2017 00:47 Poopi wrote: Who was saying Rogue vs Stats was an obvious Rogue liquidbet again? Fuck I almost made it further than top 7, but now I'm probably gonna lose some places :/.
It was an obvious bet if Rogue didn't use TLO-but-in-bronze-league strats
No I'm tired of people defending him as some zerg god even after he just lost. The guy won 21k $ this year out of nowhere and he is praised as the Dark of 2017 or something?
I think people don't accept that sc2 is highly volatile at the top level, so whenever someone "new" wins a tournament, they think he is gonna do well in the next tournaments and if not, it's just bad luck or whatever. But the harsh truth is that they are all at the same level depending on days.
About sOs becoming better because Blizzcon is soon, I share this opinion too and that's why I gambled and betted on him: when he is expected to crush foreigners he plays like shit so we think he is bad, but when everybody starts to think he is bad he can make great upsets. His wins and losses are as hard to predict for us as his gameplay is for his opponents.
It's not really an out-of-nowhere win when he was crushing ladder at that time and was long overdue for a win. Rogue has been a GSL Ro8 level player for a large part of the last few years and can definitely win if he ups his game just a tiny bit more
Everybody and anybody "crushes" ladder. A lot of players are GSL ro8 level players (basically all the koreans left could be seen as ro8 level players depending on group stages luck), and all of them CAN definitely win if they up their game a tiny bit as well.
Basically your answer supports the point that all the KR players left (that were decent to begin with, not "bad" ones like Billowy or whatever) are very close in skill.
Nah a Ro8 player is one who can be reasonably favored to make top 8, not just one who maybe could. Not every single Korean player is that. Rogue is just a few holes in his mental game away from being GSL champ level, hence why today was a huge disappointment.
And I maintain you can find a lot of these players. Maru, TY, INno, ByuN, aLive for terrans. Dark, Rogue, soO, Solar for zergs. Stats, Classic, herO, sOs, Zest for protosses.
That's already 14 players that are Ro8 level players and I probably forgot some :x. Basically all the SSL players (premier+challenge) could be considered GSL ro8 because they are at roughly the same level.
Alive and sOs? :D Seriously?
Inno, Stats, TY. The rest are currently not on Rogues level. You may make a case for soO, but he is only better in ZvZ, so I would not put him there. I sincerely hope Rogue wins the super tournament to prove himself further, he definitely has what it takes just needs to come in with a clear head.
On August 31 2017 00:47 Poopi wrote: Who was saying Rogue vs Stats was an obvious Rogue liquidbet again? Fuck I almost made it further than top 7, but now I'm probably gonna lose some places :/.
It was an obvious bet if Rogue didn't use TLO-but-in-bronze-league strats
No I'm tired of people defending him as some zerg god even after he just lost. The guy won 21k $ this year out of nowhere and he is praised as the Dark of 2017 or something?
I think people don't accept that sc2 is highly volatile at the top level, so whenever someone "new" wins a tournament, they think he is gonna do well in the next tournaments and if not, it's just bad luck or whatever. But the harsh truth is that they are all at the same level depending on days.
About sOs becoming better because Blizzcon is soon, I share this opinion too and that's why I gambled and betted on him: when he is expected to crush foreigners he plays like shit so we think he is bad, but when everybody starts to think he is bad he can make great upsets. His wins and losses are as hard to predict for us as his gameplay is for his opponents.
It's not really an out-of-nowhere win when he was crushing ladder at that time and was long overdue for a win. Rogue has been a GSL Ro8 level player for a large part of the last few years and can definitely win if he ups his game just a tiny bit more
Everybody and anybody "crushes" ladder. A lot of players are GSL ro8 level players (basically all the koreans left could be seen as ro8 level players depending on group stages luck), and all of them CAN definitely win if they up their game a tiny bit as well.
Basically your answer supports the point that all the KR players left (that were decent to begin with, not "bad" ones like Billowy or whatever) are very close in skill.
Nah a Ro8 player is one who can be reasonably favored to make top 8, not just one who maybe could. Not every single Korean player is that. Rogue is just a few holes in his mental game away from being GSL champ level, hence why today was a huge disappointment.
And I maintain you can find a lot of these players. Maru, TY, INno, ByuN, aLive for terrans. Dark, Rogue, soO, Solar for zergs. Stats, Classic, herO, sOs, Zest for protosses.
That's already 14 players that are Ro8 level players and I probably forgot some :x. Basically all the SSL players (premier+challenge) could be considered GSL ro8 because they are at roughly the same level.
So all those players are similar level, including Rogue, but his winning was also "out of nowhere"? Rogue had been more consistent than those other zergs in the last few weeks too, and had beaten Stats the last 3 times they played. Fine, of course in Starcraft its never a 100% bet but it was a better than most
On August 31 2017 00:47 Poopi wrote: Who was saying Rogue vs Stats was an obvious Rogue liquidbet again? Fuck I almost made it further than top 7, but now I'm probably gonna lose some places :/.
It was an obvious bet if Rogue didn't use TLO-but-in-bronze-league strats
No I'm tired of people defending him as some zerg god even after he just lost. The guy won 21k $ this year out of nowhere and he is praised as the Dark of 2017 or something?
I think people don't accept that sc2 is highly volatile at the top level, so whenever someone "new" wins a tournament, they think he is gonna do well in the next tournaments and if not, it's just bad luck or whatever. But the harsh truth is that they are all at the same level depending on days.
About sOs becoming better because Blizzcon is soon, I share this opinion too and that's why I gambled and betted on him: when he is expected to crush foreigners he plays like shit so we think he is bad, but when everybody starts to think he is bad he can make great upsets. His wins and losses are as hard to predict for us as his gameplay is for his opponents.
It's not really an out-of-nowhere win when he was crushing ladder at that time and was long overdue for a win. Rogue has been a GSL Ro8 level player for a large part of the last few years and can definitely win if he ups his game just a tiny bit more
Everybody and anybody "crushes" ladder. A lot of players are GSL ro8 level players (basically all the koreans left could be seen as ro8 level players depending on group stages luck), and all of them CAN definitely win if they up their game a tiny bit as well.
Basically your answer supports the point that all the KR players left (that were decent to begin with, not "bad" ones like Billowy or whatever) are very close in skill.
Nah a Ro8 player is one who can be reasonably favored to make top 8, not just one who maybe could. Not every single Korean player is that. Rogue is just a few holes in his mental game away from being GSL champ level, hence why today was a huge disappointment.
And I maintain you can find a lot of these players. Maru, TY, INno, ByuN, aLive for terrans. Dark, Rogue, soO, Solar for zergs. Stats, Classic, herO, sOs, Zest for protosses.
That's already 14 players that are Ro8 level players and I probably forgot some :x. Basically all the SSL players (premier+challenge) could be considered GSL ro8 because they are at roughly the same level.
Alive and sOs? :D Seriously?
Inno, Stats, TY. The rest are currently not on Rogues level. You may make a case for soO, but he is only better in ZvZ, so I would not put him there. I sincerely hope Rogue wins the super tournament to prove himself further, he definitely has what it takes just needs to come in with a clear head.
Yes, aLive made it to the finals of GSL Super Tournament, he has been a GSL ro8 level player this year. He made it further in a GSL than Rogue afaik? Even tho it's not "the" GSL, it's the same players and a similar format. I'm pretty sure he won more prize money than Rogue btw, but I was not comparing aLive to Rogue, but rather just listing GSL ro8 players (my point is that almost all SSL players can be considered GSL ro8 level)
sOs just made ro4 so I'm pretty sure he is a GSL ro8 level player LOL You should reread the conversation because you miss the point.
So all those players are similar level, including Rogue, but his winning was also "out of nowhere"? Rogue had been more consistent than those other zergs in the last few weeks too, and had beaten Stats the last 3 times they played. Fine, of course in Starcraft its never a 100% bet but it was a better than most
His IEM winning was out of nowhere since almost any active KR player (from the SSL premier+challenge) could have won it depending on form.
Remember guys, this conversation started because when I said I liquidbetted for Rogue against Stats, I thought I was taking a risk, but some guy then said "wtf, Rogue is the obvious pick" and I wasn't that sure of that. Two hours later Rogue is defeated. I'm just trying to say that we should not overhype players because then we don't find a good reason for their failure other than shit ones (happened with Rogue in GSL, and INno in SSL) And I definitely voted for Rogue because he was hyped currently and I didn't manage to see his games to judge it myself :x
edit: that's the post I'm talking about: Mine:
Fuck yeah!!! That paid off so well!! Now if only Rogue beats Stats :D.
Some guy: "Rogue beats Stats ez-pz. I just feel sorry that Rogue might stop sOs's BlizzCon dream ..."
Of course I am salty since I was doing great in LB but betting Rogue was actually a mistake :/. (it was more like 50-50 than one player winning for sure)
On August 31 2017 00:47 Poopi wrote: Who was saying Rogue vs Stats was an obvious Rogue liquidbet again? Fuck I almost made it further than top 7, but now I'm probably gonna lose some places :/.
It was an obvious bet if Rogue didn't use TLO-but-in-bronze-league strats
No I'm tired of people defending him as some zerg god even after he just lost. The guy won 21k $ this year out of nowhere and he is praised as the Dark of 2017 or something?
I think people don't accept that sc2 is highly volatile at the top level, so whenever someone "new" wins a tournament, they think he is gonna do well in the next tournaments and if not, it's just bad luck or whatever. But the harsh truth is that they are all at the same level depending on days.
About sOs becoming better because Blizzcon is soon, I share this opinion too and that's why I gambled and betted on him: when he is expected to crush foreigners he plays like shit so we think he is bad, but when everybody starts to think he is bad he can make great upsets. His wins and losses are as hard to predict for us as his gameplay is for his opponents.
It's not really an out-of-nowhere win when he was crushing ladder at that time and was long overdue for a win. Rogue has been a GSL Ro8 level player for a large part of the last few years and can definitely win if he ups his game just a tiny bit more
Everybody and anybody "crushes" ladder. A lot of players are GSL ro8 level players (basically all the koreans left could be seen as ro8 level players depending on group stages luck), and all of them CAN definitely win if they up their game a tiny bit as well.
Basically your answer supports the point that all the KR players left (that were decent to begin with, not "bad" ones like Billowy or whatever) are very close in skill.
Nah a Ro8 player is one who can be reasonably favored to make top 8, not just one who maybe could. Not every single Korean player is that. Rogue is just a few holes in his mental game away from being GSL champ level, hence why today was a huge disappointment.
And I maintain you can find a lot of these players. Maru, TY, INno, ByuN, aLive for terrans. Dark, Rogue, soO, Solar for zergs. Stats, Classic, herO, sOs, Zest for protosses.
That's already 14 players that are Ro8 level players and I probably forgot some :x. Basically all the SSL players (premier+challenge) could be considered GSL ro8 because they are at roughly the same level.
Alive and sOs? :D Seriously?
Inno, Stats, TY. The rest are currently not on Rogues level. You may make a case for soO, but he is only better in ZvZ, so I would not put him there. I sincerely hope Rogue wins the super tournament to prove himself further, he definitely has what it takes just needs to come in with a clear head.
Yes, aLive made it to the finals of GSL Super Tournament, he has been a GSL ro8 level player this year. He made it further in a GSL than Rogue afaik? Even tho it's not "the" GSL, it's the same players and a similar format. I'm pretty sure he won more prize money than Rogue btw, but I was not comparing aLive to Rogue, but rather just listing GSL ro8 players (my point is that almost all SSL players can be considered GSL ro8 level)
sOs just made ro4 so I'm pretty sure he is a GSL ro8 level player LOL You should reread the conversation because you miss the point.
So all those players are similar level, including Rogue, but his winning was also "out of nowhere"? Rogue had been more consistent than those other zergs in the last few weeks too, and had beaten Stats the last 3 times they played. Fine, of course in Starcraft its never a 100% bet but it was a better than most
His IEM winning was out of nowhere since almost any active KR player (from the SSL premier+challenge) could have won it depending on form.
Remember guys, this conversation started because when I said I liquidbetted for Rogue against Stats, I thought I was taking a risk, but some guy then said "wtf, Rogue is the obvious pick" and I wasn't that sure of that. Two hours later Rogue is defeated. I'm just trying to say that we should not overhype players because then we don't find a good reason for their failure other than shit ones (happened with Rogue in GSL, and INno in SSL) And I definitely voted for Rogue because he was hyped currently and I didn't manage to see his games to judge it myself :x
Fuck yeah!!! That paid off so well!! Now if only Rogue beats Stats :D.
Some guy: "Rogue beats Stats ez-pz. I just feel sorry that Rogue might stop sOs's BlizzCon dream ..."
Of course I am salty since I was doing great in LB but betting Rogue was actually a mistake :/. (it was more like 50-50 than one player winning for sure)
Okay, fair enough I went off topic a bit...
Nevertheless about the LBs, you should not take 1 fanboy opinion for granted. Hell I am a Rogue fanboy and I expected a close tough match. I did bet on Rogue because I felt it was a safer bet in his current form but well, I aint too surprised Stats won, just sad This was a tough one you should not feel bad really...
EPT
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This was a tough one you should not feel bad really... 
