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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51456 Posts
Poll: Solar vs sOs Solar Wins (17) sOs Wins (17) 34 total votes Your vote: Solar vs sOs | ||
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Felissie
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Alarak89
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yht9657
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On August 30 2017 17:19 Alarak89 wrote: It's time to see if Jin Air Green Wings is still the best SC2 team on this planet or not. According to aligulac Splyce has dethroned them. edit: well not yet but it will be after today's matches | ||
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EngrishTeacher
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Rogue 3 - 1 Stats | ||
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Ej_
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Ej_
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The problem with most RTS is that developers don't seem to know why good RTS games are good and they have a lot of "cool ideas", but nearly 0 refinement in them and end up making shit like Grey Goo. | ||
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Phredxor
New Zealand15076 Posts
On August 30 2017 18:16 Ej_ wrote: Little war game was an RTS done well. Dawn of War 1 was also good despite no precise unit control. The problem with most RTS is that developers don't seem to know why good RTS games are good and they have a lot of "cool ideas", but nearly 0 refinement in them and end up making shit like Grey Goo. Yeah ok bro. | ||
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Ej_
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Excuse me? | ||
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Noonius
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Phredxor
New Zealand15076 Posts
GSL RO8 thread? | ||
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Ej_
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They talked about RTS games on The Bunker, it's not my fault you don't follow Starcraft as closely as me. | ||
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Phredxor
New Zealand15076 Posts
On August 30 2017 18:39 Ej_ wrote: They talked about RTS games on The Bunker, it's not my fault you don't follow Starcraft as close as me. Isn't it though? | ||
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Diabolique
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Shellshock
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Ej_
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On August 30 2017 18:48 Shellshock wrote: sos about to get btfo His evil cheese kingdom ends today. | ||
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Diabolique
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Phredxor
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Noonius
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Shellshock
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Ej_
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On August 30 2017 18:53 Ej_ wrote: mutas into loss | ||
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Phredxor
New Zealand15076 Posts
Go Zerg. | ||
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Ej_
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On August 30 2017 19:03 Phredxor wrote: Mutas in lose. Ultras into lose. Broods into lose. Lurkers into lose. Go Zerg. basically just make ling bane hydra only | ||
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Vendethiel
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Zzzapper
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Zzzapper
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Ej_
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Ej_
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On August 30 2017 19:13 Zzzapper wrote: Gumiho is the only player to be favored against Inno right now, not sOs sOs WiLl WiN bLiZzCoN | ||
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Phredxor
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Vendethiel
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On August 30 2017 19:13 Ej_ wrote: 3 cannons on 1 pylon. Amazing cannon rushing. I can feel Printf crying, just like when Zest failed at it last SPL finals. | ||
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Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
On August 30 2017 19:13 Zzzapper wrote: Gumiho is the only player to be favored against Inno right now, not sOs inno cant even beat Creator anymore. washed up | ||
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egrimm
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Penev
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Ej_
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On August 30 2017 19:15 egrimm wrote: mass oracle - makes even more sense after this opening Makes sense because it's PvZ. | ||
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Zzzapper
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On August 30 2017 19:15 Shellshock wrote: inno cant even beat Creator anymore. washed up zest beat him twice and he hasn't won a single game in 2017 | ||
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Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
shura showed it can beat superior foreign zergs so of course it will work against ez koreans | ||
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egrimm
Poland1199 Posts
True, but after cannon rush it should be even better than with normal gateway opener | ||
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Ej_
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Penev
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Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
On August 30 2017 19:17 Nebuchad wrote: I think I'm going to stop watching the game and just watch Ej's hopes disappear, much funnier hes already ded | ||
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Zzzapper
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Shellshock
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Ej_
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On August 30 2017 19:18 Zzzapper wrote: corruptor muta vs. phoenix like it's 2013 Now with mass maphacks in case you wanted to do a fungal trap. | ||
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Phredxor
New Zealand15076 Posts
On August 30 2017 19:19 Zzzapper wrote: sOs just turned on all his oracle beams to kill 2 lings what a god Intimidation tactics. | ||
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Ej_
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Vendethiel
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Shellshock
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On August 30 2017 19:20 Ej_ wrote: he's going ultras into lose? | ||
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Ej_
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Actually should be a win, but you never know with a race that can shoot with their supply depots. | ||
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Zzzapper
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into losing all his overlords so he can't make any | ||
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Argonauta
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12045 Posts
On August 30 2017 19:21 Ej_ wrote: Actually should be a win, but you never know with a race that can shoot with their supply depots. <3 | ||
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Shellshock
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Zzzapper
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On August 30 2017 19:24 Shellshock wrote: sos needed 57 stasis wards like shura koreans just aren't on that skill level yet | ||
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Ej_
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On August 30 2017 19:35 Penev wrote: finally yanks finally something to feedback Solar can't play ZvP for shit | ||
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i think | ||
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Diabolique
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Ej_
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On August 30 2017 19:42 Phredxor wrote: For a game over 30 mins this was pretty shitty. It was like a Chinese knock off Dark vs Chinese knock off Stats. | ||
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Felissie
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Ej_
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On August 30 2017 19:43 mizenhauer wrote: I knew this was going to be a garbage quarterfinal before it started. Guess these guys didn't want to disappoint me. I hoped it would end after 3 adept all-ins, but here we are, watching infestors beat skytoss and banelings rally through storms. | ||
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Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
On August 30 2017 19:43 mizenhauer wrote: I knew this was going to be a garbage quarterfinal before it started. Guess these guys didn't want to disappoint me. I think you are secretly loving it | ||
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Phredxor
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On August 30 2017 19:44 Felissie wrote: Stats come and coach Solar mid match. Is it allowed? Yup. | ||
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Phredxor
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Crushed everywhere, down 70 supply. | ||
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Mizenhauer
United States1804 Posts
If I didn't have to do the recap, I just wouldn't be watching this trash. I have three writing projects I need to do today and this is siphoning my time like some megalithic leech. | ||
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Diabolique
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Vendethiel
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On August 30 2017 19:53 Charoisaur wrote: Cute how he's trying to hold on with 4 sentries and an immortal against a maxed out Zerg army. A maxed out roach army is what, like, 13 roaches?  | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15880 Posts
On August 30 2017 19:53 mizenhauer wrote: If I didn't have to do the recap, I just wouldn't be watching this trash. I have three writing projects I need to do today and this is siphoning my time like some megalithic leech. no passion confirmed | ||
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Diabolique
Czech Republic5118 Posts
On August 30 2017 19:53 mizenhauer wrote: If I didn't have to do the recap, I just wouldn't be watching this trash. I have three writing projects I need to do today and this is siphoning my time like some megalithic leech. Just write that the games were super entertaining! | ||
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Phredxor
New Zealand15076 Posts
On August 30 2017 19:55 Diabolique wrote: Just write that the games were super entertaining! We don't want to lie to the good people of TL. | ||
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Diabolique
Czech Republic5118 Posts
You know ... that 9 to 5 job is never a thing to be passioned about. | ||
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romson87
Poland487 Posts
On August 30 2017 19:55 Phredxor wrote: We don't want to lie to the good people of TL. Tastosis doesn't have an issue with it saying both players are playing well... | ||
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Penev
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On August 30 2017 19:57 romson87 wrote: Tastosis doesn't have an issue with it saying both players are playing well... let's just say it's part of the caster curse | ||
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Serimek
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On August 30 2017 19:57 romson87 wrote: Tastosis doesn't have an issue with it saying both players are playing well... Solar's not too shaby though. | ||
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Mizenhauer
United States1804 Posts
A shame two of those projects are Starcraft related... | ||
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Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
PASSION CONFIRMED | ||
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Elentos
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On August 30 2017 20:00 Phredxor wrote: How can it be the best ever when Fruitland was a thing? It's all a conspiracy to deny Fruitland its rightful place. | ||
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Vendethiel
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On August 30 2017 19:57 romson87 wrote: Tastosis doesn't have an issue with it saying both players are playing well... They did mention sOs fucked up his timing completly . | ||
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Mizenhauer
United States1804 Posts
On August 30 2017 20:02 Serimek wrote: What are the odd of Jin Air sticking with SC2 after this season ? Considering they have the Jin Air Princess on their side, pretty good. | ||
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Elentos
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It's the funniest thing how oracles are basically the only Protoss unit they don't touch on the test map  | ||
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Yiome
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On August 30 2017 20:10 EatingBomber wrote: Actually a hilarious game Not so much if you have seen enough mass oracle games in the past month or so | ||
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Poopi
France12761 Posts
If he wins I might have a shot at top 1 liquidbet :o | ||
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fastr
France901 Posts
sOs is evolving! Congratulations! Your sOs has evolved into $o$! | ||
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Loccstana
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Solar: If I hold it off, would you die? sOs: It would be extremely painful. Solar: You're a big guy! sOs: For you. later... Solar: Was getting caught part of your plan? Solar: Well, congratulations! You got yourself caught! Now what's the next step in your master plan? sOs: Crashing this game... with no survivors! | ||
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EatingBomber
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User was warned for this post | ||
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Yiome
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On August 30 2017 20:15 brickrd wrote: you know, an angry terran on ladder once screamed at me that he didn't believe me when i said i play starcraft for fun because no one who plays sc2 enjoys it anymore, and after reading this thread i think he might be right not only about people who play it but people who watch it Well it is PvZ... a matchup that rarely produced much hype on itself ever since WoL as far as I can remember | ||
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brickrd
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On August 30 2017 20:11 Yiome wrote: Not so much if you have seen enough mass oracle games in the past month or so kinda funny how the kr casters literally were not aware that mass oracle existed before this year, im pretty sure Has made it work at low pro level multiple times and I know 100% the first time I watched my hydras get torn up by 20 oracles was om belshir freaking vestige | ||
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romson87
Poland487 Posts
 Should be Solar's game from now on | ||
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Argonauta
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On August 30 2017 20:15 brickrd wrote: you know, an angry terran on ladder once screamed at me that he didn't believe me when i said i play starcraft for fun because no one who plays sc2 enjoys it anymore, and after reading this thread i think he might be right not only about people who play it but people who watch it This. | ||
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On August 30 2017 20:18 brickrd wrote: kinda funny how the kr casters literally were not aware that mass oracle existed before this year, im pretty sure Has made it work at low pro level multiple times and I know 100% the first time I watched my hydras get torn up by 20 oracles was om belshir freaking vestige It was definitely a build a year ago, sOs used to do it and it infested a ladder for a while. It became popular again when people discovered stasis traps are actually a spell. | ||
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On August 30 2017 20:24 romson87 wrote: Gotta be the most ineffective chargelots harass ever? Well immortals are pretty fucking effective tho. | ||
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Poopi
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That paid off so well!! Now if only Rogue beats Stats :D. | ||
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Fango
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The sOs dream is alive | ||
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Diabolique
Czech Republic5118 Posts
On August 30 2017 20:26 Poopi wrote: Fuck yeah!!! That paid off so well!! Now if only Rogue beats Stats :D. Rogue beats Stats ez-pz. I just feel sorry that Rogue might stop sOs's BlizzCon dream ... | ||
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e: with 7-4 in SSL that makes the map 12-4 in PvZ in Korea. 75% | ||
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Poopi
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On August 30 2017 20:28 Diabolique wrote: Rogue beats Stats ez-pz. I just feel sorry that Rogue might stop sOs's BlizzCon dream ... It's hard to say really. Rogue is supposed to be in better form than Stats, but Stats is a far more successful player this year. | ||
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Mun_Su
France2063 Posts
On August 30 2017 20:15 brickrd wrote: you know, an angry terran on ladder once screamed at me that he didn't believe me when i said i play starcraft for fun because no one who plays sc2 enjoys it anymore, and after reading this thread i think he might be right not only about people who play it but people who watch it Personnaly i'm watching it 100% for fun and 100% for love. On August 30 2017 20:31 brickrd wrote: feel like solar is the korean TLO, super likeable creative micro guy who often appears to be really good and succeeds after patches but is somehow just overall a tier below the top players in his region Can't agree with you, Solar has made it to the grand final of 8 Ptremier tournament and won half of them. A triple time Dreamhack champion and a SSL champion is nowhere near TLO's level... | ||
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Diabolique
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On August 30 2017 20:34 Poopi wrote: It's hard to say really. Rogue is supposed to be in better form than Stats, but Stats is a far more successful player this year. I think, Stats is an excellent player. But Rogue is the best player in Korea right now. | ||
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Poopi
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On August 30 2017 20:37 Diabolique wrote: I think, Stats is an excellent player. But Rogue is the best player in Korea right now. We are lagging too far behind as spectators imho: the best player in Korea changes almost daily but we don't get to see them ladder and stuff. | ||
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Phredxor
New Zealand15076 Posts
On August 30 2017 20:40 Poopi wrote: We are lagging too far behind as spectators imho: the best player in Korea changes almost daily but we don't get to see them ladder and stuff. Zest is best. | ||
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Diabolique
Czech Republic5118 Posts
On August 30 2017 20:40 Poopi wrote: We are lagging too far behind as spectators imho: the best player in Korea changes almost daily but we don't get to see them ladder and stuff. I mean, Rogue is unbeatable the last few months already. Of course, he loses from time to time in some online tournaments, but otherwise, he is stellar. Maybe, he is too long on the top (few months), so the time might come to lose that spot. I just hope, he wins GSL before he loses the first place. | ||
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Poopi
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Only when adepts were OP iirc, TY was better in that finals he lost. | ||
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Poopi
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On August 30 2017 20:43 Diabolique wrote: I mean, Rogue is unbeatable the last few months already. Of course, he loses from time to time in some online tournaments, but otherwise, he is stellar. Maybe, he is too long on the top (few months), so the time might come to lose that spot. I just hope, he wins GSL before he loses the first place. So he isn't more unbeatable than any other player lol. He won 21k $ this year and afaik only one LAN tournament (IEM). I think people overestimate Rogue because he used to be super shit but became champion contender recently again, so now he is as much hyped as INno. | ||
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Diabolique
Czech Republic5118 Posts
Only with two hats. And he is not allowed to wear two hats in GSL and SSL competitions. | ||
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Phredxor
New Zealand15076 Posts
On August 30 2017 20:45 Diabolique wrote: Only with two hats. And he is not allowed to wear two hats in GSL and SSL competitions. Explains why he's so good on ladder. | ||
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Diabolique
Czech Republic5118 Posts
On August 30 2017 20:44 Poopi wrote: So he isn't more unbeatable than any other player lol. He won 21k $ this year and afaik only one LAN tournament (IEM). I think people overestimate Rogue because he used to be super shit but became champion contender recently again, so now he is as much hyped as INno. He almost (should have) won the last GSL season and won all offline tournaments since then. Plus being no. 1 on ladder regularly for a few months. | ||
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ghostmaster93
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On August 30 2017 20:43 Diabolique wrote: I mean, Rogue is unbeatable the last few months already. Of course, he loses from time to time in some online tournaments, but otherwise, he is stellar. Maybe, he is too long on the top (few months), so the time might come to lose that spot. I just hope, he wins GSL before he loses the first place. Actually he is 1-6 in SSL challenger, which is not a online cup. | ||
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GoloSC2
709 Posts
with a third hat he could play a third account into top ten | ||
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Diabolique
Czech Republic5118 Posts
Because at home, he can wear the hats. Korean hats full of electronics. They add +50% on his brain capacity. | ||
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Phredxor
New Zealand15076 Posts
On August 30 2017 20:46 Diabolique wrote: He almost (should have) won the last GSL season and won all offline tournaments since then. Plus being no. 1 on ladder regularly for a few months. RO8 is almost and should have won GSL? TIL. | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On August 30 2017 20:43 Poopi wrote: Only when adepts were OP iirc, TY was better in that finals he lost. Zest didn't do any adept allins in that series though. Out of the 4 won games, one was a DT bust, 2 were failed allins by TY, and one was TY forgetting a starport | ||
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Diabolique
Czech Republic5118 Posts
On August 30 2017 20:46 ghostmaster93 wrote: Actually he is 1-6 in SSL challenger, which is not a online cup. Yeees, but who cares about SSL challenger :-) | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On August 30 2017 20:47 Phredxor wrote: RO8 is almost and should have won GSL? TIL. Thats kinda true though, Rogue should have beaten soO and would have stomped Classic and Gumi | ||
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Ej_
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On August 30 2017 20:48 Diabolique wrote: Yeees, but who cares about SSL challenger :-) Yeah, it's a tournament for tier 2 players who couldn't make it to premier. On August 30 2017 20:48 Fango wrote: Thats kinda true though, Rogue should have beaten soO and would have stomped Classic and Gumi xD "Mvp and PartinG should have won vs Life." | ||
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Diabolique
Czech Republic5118 Posts
On August 30 2017 20:47 Phredxor wrote: RO8 is almost and should have won GSL? TIL. It was one zergling short of getting through soO's queen and winning the third match against him, semifinals and finals would have been just a formality :-) | ||
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Phredxor
New Zealand15076 Posts
On August 30 2017 20:48 Fango wrote: Thats kinda true though, Rogue should have beaten soO and would have stomped Classic and Gumi Yeah Paralyze made a RO8 too. Should have beaten Classic and would have stomped Maru and soO. | ||
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Elentos
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On August 30 2017 20:48 Fango wrote: Thats kinda true though, Rogue should have beaten soO and would have stomped Classic and Gumi You don't know that. Because he lost in the Ro8. Far away from almost winning GSL. | ||
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Fango
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On August 30 2017 20:50 Elentos wrote: You don't know that. Because he lost in the Ro8. Far away from almost winning GSL. I can say with decent certainly that Rogue would have beaten Classic, beating Gumiho wouldn't be garanteed I guess | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15880 Posts
On August 30 2017 20:48 Fango wrote: Thats kinda true though, Rogue should have beaten soO and would have stomped Classic and Gumi He didn't though. In the end he lost in the ro8 and that's all that counts | ||
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Fango
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On August 30 2017 21:01 Charoisaur wrote: He didn't though. In the end he lost in the ro8 and that's all that counts I never said otherwise. Hence "almost" GSL finalist | ||
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Ej_
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On August 30 2017 21:03 Fango wrote: I never said otherwise. Hence "almost" GSL finalist I was almost an Olimoleague finalist :o | ||
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Penev
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On August 30 2017 21:04 mizenhauer wrote: It's shocking (not really) how much better Rogue and Stats are than sOs and Solar. It's quite the difference idd | ||
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On August 30 2017 21:07 Charoisaur wrote: sOs will stomp Rogue in the semis and prove you wrong Well, let's be more realistic and hope Stats can win here so he can do his job. | ||
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On August 30 2017 21:07 Charoisaur wrote: sOs will stomp Rogue in the semis and prove you wrong nah, toss got op again just in time | ||
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On August 30 2017 21:14 Elentos wrote: Why weren't the void rays in the unit tab? I noticed that too, thought I'm crazy edit: now they show up | ||
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On August 30 2017 21:07 yht9657 wrote: no way stats wins this, zerg has perfect economy and it's impossible to kill on map so huge aha | ||
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On August 30 2017 21:19 Penev wrote: Rogue fell asleep at some point is my theory He isn't Nestea tho. | ||
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On August 30 2017 21:24 OsaX Nymloth wrote: What is the longest game in LotV? Nerchio vs MarineLorD on Apotheosis was well over 40 minutes. | ||
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On August 30 2017 21:23 Charoisaur wrote: this reminds me of Stats vs Dark on Newkirk Rogue will melt the same way | ||
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On August 30 2017 21:25 Ej_ wrote: Nerchio vs MarineLorD on Apotheosis was well over 40 minutes. Some Dusk Towers foreigner games went an hour | ||
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On August 30 2017 21:25 Ej_ wrote: Nerchio vs MarineLorD on Apotheosis was well over 40 minutes. Guess we might be witnessing a new record then. | ||
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On August 30 2017 21:26 Elentos wrote: Some Dusk Towers foreigner games went an hour some avilo games went 2 hours | ||
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got neuraled, didn't reveal anything and then escaped :D | ||
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the question was what the longest game in LotV was, nobody said high level game. | ||
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On August 30 2017 21:25 Ej_ wrote: Nerchio vs MarineLorD on Apotheosis was well over 40 minutes. Even just from the top of my head just 1.5 weeks ago there was a 41 min Serral vs. Showtime game. | ||
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On August 30 2017 21:28 Charoisaur wrote: the question was what the longest game in LotV was, nobody said high level game. well im sure theres some guy in silver league that had a 5 hour game on daybreak but clearly nobody would be interested in that?????? | ||
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or sit with his cannons | ||
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On August 30 2017 21:29 Ej_ wrote: well im sure theres some guy in silver league that had a 5 hour game on daybreak but clearly nobody would be interested in that?????? In fact I had a 10 hour game where my opponent refused to leave and I long-distance mined with one scv to avoid the draw and went afk after 10 hours my opponent got bored and left (serious) | ||
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Edit: and second after he proceeeds to A-move Stats army | ||
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FUCK THAT WAY OF PLAYING PROTOSS. | ||
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On August 30 2017 21:32 True_Spike wrote: I AM SO GLAD ROUGE WON. FUCK THAT WAY OF PLAYING PROTOSS. wut? | ||
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On August 30 2017 21:32 True_Spike wrote: I AM SO GLAD ROUGE WON. FUCK THAT WAY OF PLAYING PROTOSS. Yeah fuck the Protoss trying to make stuff happen on the map on multiple fronts at all times, hail the Zerg rushing to hive tech and never attacking. | ||
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not loud enough? | ||
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On August 30 2017 21:33 Charoisaur wrote: fortunately fungal won't be able to hit air anymore so Zerg can't beat that army as easily anymore. don't worry vipers will now be able to 3 shot a carrier | ||
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On August 30 2017 21:32 Diabolique wrote: Rogue is just amazing. To get out of the hopeless situation without tech a few (tens of) minutes ago ... sorry but Rogue is never hopeless, he has way more economy, way more gases, way more casters and strategic initiative | ||
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Tasteless missing everything happening (e.g. a mothership that died and was remade), and Artosis letting his biais out for Protoss :/. | ||
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On August 30 2017 21:34 yht9657 wrote: sorry but Rogue is never hopeless, he has way more economy, way more gases, way more casters and strategic initiative To be fair Rogue at one point almost ran out of money until he remembered he could mine gas at his new expansions. | ||
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On August 30 2017 21:34 yht9657 wrote: sorry but Rogue is never hopeless, he has way more economy, way more gases, way more casters and strategic initiative Yess, but this time, he did not have the tech, the money, the gas ... and came back Just awesome! | ||
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On August 30 2017 21:37 Diabolique wrote: Yess, but this time, he did not have the tech, the money, the gas ... and came back Just awesome! I sometimes wonder if you somehow found a way to post from an alternate reality. | ||
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On August 30 2017 21:38 Ej_ wrote: I sometimes wonder if you somehow found a way to post from an alternate reality. Maybe, I saw the losing tech and the loss of money and gas at different moments of the game :-) I am trying to work while following the game :-) | ||
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On August 30 2017 21:43 Zzzapper wrote: Those 4 banes could've won him the game if they attacked the sentries and zealots The fact that Protoss always has a way to die instantly versus any race amazes me. | ||
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On August 30 2017 20:47 Fango wrote: Zest didn't do any adept allins in that series though. Out of the 4 won games, one was a DT bust, 2 were failed allins by TY, and one was TY forgetting a starport So what? o_o Doesn't change the fact that Zest looked like a god when adepts were very strong, and had a slow downfall from there, kinda like PtitDrogo. Just because he didn't go like Seed vs Bomber doesn't mean he wasn't a bit carried by adepts. He is still a superb protoss, but Zest is best era was when adepts were strong. Stats has been better on LotV than Zest. | ||
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On August 30 2017 21:47 Poopi wrote: So what? o_o Doesn't change the fact that Zest looked like a god when adepts were very strong, and had a slow downfall from there, kinda like PtitDrogo. Just because he didn't go like Seed vs Bomber doesn't mean he wasn't a bit carried by adepts. He is still a superb protoss, but Zest is best era was when adepts were strong. Stats has been better on LotV than Zest. you mean like ByuN with reapers? | ||
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On August 30 2017 21:50 Zzzapper wrote: the even shittier vP version of the shittiest ZvT build The shittiest ZvT build is 12pool ravager. Proxy hatchery ravager is the good and forgotten version of it. | ||
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On August 30 2017 21:46 yht9657 wrote: The fact that Protoss always has a way to die instantly versus any race amazes me. every race can lose instantly at any moment by move commanding past the enemy army | ||
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On August 30 2017 21:51 Nebuchad wrote: I missed the start, how come the buildings were off creep? Rogue proxied them. | ||
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On August 30 2017 21:51 Nebuchad wrote: I missed the start, how come the buildings were off creep? Rogue tried to be overly fancy for no reason so he hid them in the corner of his base. He even put the roach warren there after Stats already scouted everything. | ||
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On August 30 2017 21:51 Ej_ wrote: The shittiest ZvT build is 12pool ravager. Proxy hatchery ravager is the good and forgotten version of it. It's the same build in a more confusing disguise | ||
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On August 30 2017 21:51 Zzzapper wrote: every race can lose instantly at any moment by move commanding past the enemy army I believe u know that's not what I meant | ||
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On August 30 2017 21:51 Elentos wrote: Rogue tried to be overly fancy for no reason so he hid them in the corner of his base. He even put the roach warren there after Stats already scouted everything. He did the hatch trick into pool off creep just to hide stuff? That's dedication | ||
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On August 30 2017 21:51 Penev wrote: this build is great if immortals didn't exist ikr | ||
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On August 30 2017 21:47 Poopi wrote: So what? o_o Doesn't change the fact that Zest looked like a god when adepts were very strong, and had a slow downfall from there, kinda like PtitDrogo. Just because he didn't go like Seed vs Bomber doesn't mean he wasn't a bit carried by adepts. He is still a superb protoss, but Zest is best era was when adepts were strong. Stats has been better on LotV than Zest. Wtf is your point? You're acting like Zest was carried by Adepts though, saying TY played better in their finals, despite the fact that most of the games were utter failures on TY's part (like making thors or forgetting starports). Stats has been more consistent and Zest in LoTV ofc. But Zest at his peak was the better PvT and PvP for sure | ||
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Watch him makes the finals and possibly win it | ||
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You said it in reference to a situation where Stats almost lost by move commanding past enemy units so I have to assume that's exactly what you meant | ||
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On August 30 2017 21:52 AbouSV wrote: Yes he recalled 'just' two stalkers. And no, it wasn't a mistake by Stats, it was just (very well) planned. These games are too long for those 2 old men to handle, don't hate | ||
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On August 30 2017 21:53 The_Red_Viper wrote: sOs in the semis, lol. Watch him makes the finals and possibly win it And then BlizzCon | ||
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On August 30 2017 21:54 Penev wrote: wrong whisper girl again no such thing | ||
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On August 30 2017 21:56 zakadar wrote: can someone explain these food commercials to me and what they have to do with fifa Do you really care? | ||
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On August 30 2017 21:56 zakadar wrote: can someone explain these food commercials to me and what they have to do with fifa It seems very clear to me + Show Spoiler + | ||
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IT'S MASS CONTAMINATE BUILD | ||
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On August 30 2017 22:01 Ej_ wrote: overseer IT'S MASS CONTAMINATE BUILD I wish that was actually a thing Zerg needs some real bullshit strats | ||
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On August 30 2017 22:03 Zzzapper wrote: I wish that was actually a thing Zerg needs some real bullshit strats Watch ZerO vs Rain on Newkirk from 2013 Proleague | ||
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On August 30 2017 22:07 Ej_ wrote: I hope mizenhauer saw this. I watch every game. I've always liked Rogue. | ||
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On August 30 2017 22:08 mizenhauer wrote: I watch every game. I've always liked Rogue. MAN z e r g | ||
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On August 30 2017 22:08 [PkF] Wire wrote: This series is both very entertaining and completey disgusting well said, very confusing series | ||
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On August 30 2017 22:09 sashkata wrote: Does Rogue need to win the whole tournament to make it to Blizzcon or is making it to the final enough? Finals are probably enough but could use a good Super Tournament finish if he doesn't win to compliment it. | ||
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On August 30 2017 22:09 sashkata wrote: Does Rogue need to win the whole tournament to make it to Blizzcon or is making it to the final enough? I want semifinal to be enough. I would love seeing both Rogue and sOs at BlizzCon ... but I am not sure, it is manageable. | ||
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On August 30 2017 22:11 Diabolique wrote: I want semifinal to be enough. I would love seeing both Rogue and sOs at BlizzCon ... but I am not sure, it is manageable. It's possible but things would have to line up just right | ||
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On August 30 2017 22:21 Penev wrote: Rogue did make some really questionable decissions this game He played a really clean game up until the basetrade. ZvP is HARD on Whirlwind. | ||
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On August 30 2017 22:22 Ej_ wrote: He played a really clean game up until the basetrade. ZvP is HARD on Whirlwind. hmm and I meant to say series as well | ||
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WAHT THE FUCK EJ YOU PREDICTED STATS 3:2 | ||
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On August 30 2017 22:22 Charoisaur wrote: Stats consistency this year is ridicolous. I really hope Byun makes it to blizzcon just to Stats can kick his ass and get his revenge This really has been Stats' year in every sense of the word | ||
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On August 30 2017 22:23 MarianoSC2 wrote: What the hell was that Rogue? You had the skill to go standard game vs Stats and win... Why so many crazy builds? :/ That's a Jin Air thing, not Rogue's problem. | ||
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Thank you Stats. | ||
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On August 30 2017 22:22 Charoisaur wrote: Stats consistency this year is ridicolous. It's pretty crazy that he's done it without ever looking very dominant at all. I don't think there's been any point during the year where I would call Stats the current strongest player but he keeps showing up when it matters | ||
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On August 30 2017 22:27 Nerchio wrote: Rogue was too afraid to play a standard game against protoss I am not surprised after winning the super late going first map :/ | ||
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On August 30 2017 22:27 Nerchio wrote: Rogue was too afraid to play a standard game against protoss I am not surprised Well, he won the 40 minute game | ||
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On August 30 2017 22:26 Zzzapper wrote: It's pretty crazy that he's done it without ever looking very dominant at all. I don't think there's been any point during the year where I would call Stats the current strongest player but he keeps showing up when it matters the time between IEM Katowitz final and GSL final maybe? | ||
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On August 30 2017 22:27 Nerchio wrote: Rogue was too afraid to play a standard game against protoss I am not surprised No... He just chose to play stupid builds and gift the win to his opponent as always in RO8 GSL | ||
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On August 30 2017 22:23 Charoisaur wrote: 0/2 bets Me too. These games so close as fuck. | ||
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On August 30 2017 22:29 yht9657 wrote: the time between IEM Katowitz final and GSL final maybe? Yea he was super fucking dominate, even during IEM. | ||
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On August 30 2017 22:30 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Well its 7:30 am and my mood is ruined, what now boys? violence? | ||
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Since last year October: 3/4th: Kespa Cup, HSC, Blizzcon, GSL vs the World, SSL s1, GSL s3 (potentially better!) 2nd: IEM Gyeonggi, IEM Katowice, SSL s2 (potentially better!) 1st: GSL s1 (potentially SSL s2 and GSL s3) Stats with incredible results | ||
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On August 30 2017 22:30 Elentos wrote: Yeah so it's not GuMiho and soO who get seeded into the Super Tournament. They're both guaranteed blizzcon anyway so I don't really mind At this point I'm only concerned with who gets to blizzcon | ||
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Of course that means we're gonna get sOs vs ByuN again or something like that lol | ||
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Maybe. Depends how the rest of the day goes. More likely just general grumpiness though | ||
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On August 30 2017 22:32 The_Red_Viper wrote: Stats is just a monster. Since last year October: 3/4th: Kespa Cup, HSC, Blizzcon, GSL vs the World, SSL s1, GSL s3 (potentially better!) 2nd: IEM Gyeonggi, IEM Katowice, SSL s2 (potentially better!) 1st: GSL s1 (potentially SSL s2 and GSL s3) Stats with incredible results Agree. People simple forget that he is number 1 in Korea standing, with 4000 more points at least compared to other players. | ||
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On August 30 2017 22:32 The_Red_Viper wrote: Stats is just a monster. Since last year October: 3/4th: Kespa Cup, HSC, Blizzcon, GSL vs the World, SSL s1, GSL s3 (potentially better!) 2nd: IEM Gyeonggi, IEM Katowice, SSL s2 (potentially better!) 1st: GSL s1 (potentially SSL s2 and GSL s3) Stats with incredible results the true sc2 bonjwa, not like the other machine guy. If only he won more titles... but his consistency is impressive. | ||
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On August 30 2017 22:39 [PkF] Wire wrote: the true sc2 bonjwa, not like the other machine guy. If only he won more titles... but his consistency is impressive. If he beats sOs I would favour him against anyone from the lower bracket, except TY. | ||
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On August 30 2017 22:35 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Maybe. Depends how the rest of the day goes. More likely just general grumpiness though Go yell at someone in a starcraft game. | ||
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On August 30 2017 22:39 [PkF] Wire wrote: the true sc2 bonjwa, not like the other machine guy. If only he won more titles... but his consistency is impressive. Now you are getting overhyped. Stats has been definitely great this year, but 2015 and 2016 he only produce good results in SSL. | ||
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Ofc Stats winning both would be hype as well. PLs no antihype thing with none of the two winning, that would suck. | ||
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SetGuitarsToKill
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No the way to do it is lose some games, let it affect your self esteem, and have that grumpiness spiral out of control. Thats how us patricians of bad mentalities do it | ||
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France24192 Posts
On August 30 2017 22:48 The_Red_Viper wrote: The ideal scenario would be Inno and Stats splitting GSL/SSL. Definitely the two players in korean starcraft this year. Ofc Stats winning both would be hype as well. PLs no antihype thing with none of the two winning, that would suck. I'm disgusted to admit that since I hate the player but the hypest thing now would definitely be a sOs victory | ||
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On August 30 2017 22:49 [PkF] Wire wrote: I'm disgusted to admit that since I hate the player but the hypest thing now would definitely be a sOs victory INnoVation triple crown tho | ||
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[PkF] Wire
France24192 Posts
what for, we all know he's gonna shit himself at Blizzcon as usual | ||
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On August 30 2017 22:49 [PkF] Wire wrote: I'm disgusted to admit that since I hate the player but the hypest thing now would definitely be a sOs victory That would only be "hype" if he then wins blizzcon. Too much assumptions, i would rather go for the two actual good players winning things | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On August 30 2017 22:42 Sakat wrote: If he beats sOs I would favour him against anyone from the lower bracket, except TY. This is funny because if sOs beats Stats, he's not favoured against anyone except TY | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On August 30 2017 23:02 The_Red_Viper wrote: That would only be "hype" if he then wins blizzcon. Too much assumptions, i would rather go for the two actual good players winning things Call me a fanboy, but sOs's form seems to increase the closer he gets to blizzcon. If he qualifies, I'd favour him to win over Inno. Sometimes history just repeats itself | ||
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DubiousC2
129 Posts
Now, if only ByuN beats Inno somehow. Hoping for a ByuN vs sOs finals. | ||
Seeker
Where dat snitch at?36961 Posts
At least Stats pulled through for me... | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15880 Posts
On August 30 2017 23:12 DubiousC2 wrote: I knew I could count on sOs when it mattered most. Now, if only ByuN beats Inno somehow. Hoping for a ByuN vs sOs finals. because the last one was so great... | ||
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[PkF] Wire
France24192 Posts
at least the odd year sOs vs last year champion ByuN storyline would be remotely interesting although I do fear this would be a one-sided stomp with the opposite result of last year | ||
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Ej_
47656 Posts
Arguably better than the last sOs vs INnoVaton final. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On August 30 2017 23:11 Fango wrote: Call me a fanboy, but sOs's form seems to increase the closer he gets to blizzcon. If he qualifies, I'd favour him to win over Inno. Sometimes history just repeats itself You are a fanboy (though tbf i didn't see today's games ) But i am a hater so it evens out probably. He is in the GSL semis and that's certainly impressive, so maybe he actually does it. I still would bet on Inno or Stats though, they have more results to back it up. | ||
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DubiousC2
129 Posts
Well, yeah it was pretty one-sided, but I really want to see them both at Blizzcon. I'm also kind of sick of seeing Inno stomp through Stats. | ||
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Cricketer12
United States13969 Posts
On August 31 2017 00:06 DubiousC2 wrote: Well, yeah it was pretty one-sided, but I really want to see them both at Blizzcon. I'm also kind of sick of seeing Inno stomp through Stats. Yea because that happens all the time...wait... | ||
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Mizenhauer
United States1804 Posts
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Poopi
France12761 Posts
Fuck I almost made it further than top 7, but now I'm probably gonna lose some places :/. | ||
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SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
On August 31 2017 00:47 Poopi wrote: Who was saying Rogue vs Stats was an obvious Rogue liquibet again? Fuck I almost made it further than top 7, but now I'm probably gonna lose some places :/. It was an obvious bet if Rogue didn't use TLO-but-in-bronze-league strats | ||
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Poopi
France12761 Posts
On August 31 2017 00:50 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: It was an obvious bet if Rogue didn't use TLO-but-in-bronze-league strats No I'm tired of people defending him as some zerg god even after he just lost. The guy won 21k $ this year out of nowhere and he is praised as the Dark of 2017 or something? I think people don't accept that sc2 is highly volatile at the top level, so whenever someone "new" wins a tournament, they think he is gonna do well in the next tournaments and if not, it's just bad luck or whatever. But the harsh truth is that they are all at the same level depending on days. About sOs becoming better because Blizzcon is soon, I share this opinion too and that's why I gambled and betted on him: when he is expected to crush foreigners he plays like shit so we think he is bad, but when everybody starts to think he is bad he can make great upsets. His wins and losses are as hard to predict for us as his gameplay is for his opponents. | ||
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SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
On August 31 2017 01:02 Poopi wrote: No I'm tired of people defending him as some zerg god even after he just lost. The guy won 21k $ this year out of nowhere and he is praised as the Dark of 2017 or something? I think people don't accept that sc2 is highly volatile at the top level, so whenever someone "new" wins a tournament, they think he is gonna do well in the next tournaments and if not, it's just bad luck or whatever. But the harsh truth is that they are all at the same level depending on days. About sOs becoming better because Blizzcon is soon, I share this opinion too and that's why I gambled and betted on him: when he is expected to crush foreigners he plays like shit so we think he is bad, but when everybody starts to think he is bad he can make great upsets. His wins and losses are as hard to predict for us as his gameplay is for his opponents. It's not really an out-of-nowhere win when he was crushing ladder at that time and was long overdue for a win. Rogue has been a GSL Ro8 level player for a large part of the last few years and can definitely win if he ups his game just a tiny bit more | ||
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Poopi
France12761 Posts
On August 31 2017 01:14 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: It's not really an out-of-nowhere win when he was crushing ladder at that time and was long overdue for a win. Rogue has been a GSL Ro8 level player for a large part of the last few years and can definitely win if he ups his game just a tiny bit more Everybody and anybody "crushes" ladder. A lot of players are GSL ro8 level players (basically all the koreans left could be seen as ro8 level players depending on group stages luck), and all of them CAN definitely win if they up their game a tiny bit as well. Basically your answer supports the point that all the KR players left (that were decent to begin with, not "bad" ones like Billowy or whatever) are very close in skill. | ||
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SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
On August 31 2017 01:17 Poopi wrote: Everybody and anybody "crushes" ladder. A lot of players are GSL ro8 level players (basically all the koreans left could be seen as ro8 level players depending on group stages luck), and all of them CAN definitely win if they up their game a tiny bit as well. Basically your answer supports the point that all the KR players left (that were decent to begin with, not "bad" ones like Billowy or whatever) are very close in skill. Nah a Ro8 player is one who can be reasonably favored to make top 8, not just one who maybe could. Not every single Korean player is that. Rogue is just a few holes in his mental game away from being GSL champ level, hence why today was a huge disappointment. | ||
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brickrd
United States4894 Posts
On August 30 2017 20:35 Mun_Su wrote: Personnaly i'm watching it 100% for fun and 100% for love. Can't agree with you, Solar has made it to the grand final of 8 Ptremier tournament and won half of them. A triple time Dreamhack champion and a SSL champion is nowhere near TLO's level... i said "a tier below the top players in his region" which makes it abundantly clear that i don't think they're on the same skill level... i was referring to their role relative to their peers, not equating their skill... why would i say "korean TLO" if i weren't implying solar is much better since everyone knows koreans are on a higher level? | ||
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Poopi
France12761 Posts
On August 31 2017 01:33 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Nah a Ro8 player is one who can be reasonably favored to make top 8, not just one who maybe could. Not every single Korean player is that. Rogue is just a few holes in his mental game away from being GSL champ level, hence why today was a huge disappointment. And I maintain you can find a lot of these players. Maru, TY, INno, ByuN, aLive for terrans. Dark, Rogue, soO, Solar for zergs. Stats, Classic, herO, sOs, Zest for protosses. That's already 14 players that are Ro8 level players and I probably forgot some :x. Basically all the SSL players (premier+challenge) could be considered GSL ro8 because they are at roughly the same level. | ||
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MarianoSC2
Slovakia1855 Posts
On August 31 2017 01:02 Poopi wrote: No I'm tired of people defending him as some zerg god even after he just lost. The guy won 21k $ this year out of nowhere and he is praised as the Dark of 2017 or something? I think people don't accept that sc2 is highly volatile at the top level, so whenever someone "new" wins a tournament, they think he is gonna do well in the next tournaments and if not, it's just bad luck or whatever. But the harsh truth is that they are all at the same level depending on days. About sOs becoming better because Blizzcon is soon, I share this opinion too and that's why I gambled and betted on him: when he is expected to crush foreigners he plays like shit so we think he is bad, but when everybody starts to think he is bad he can make great upsets. His wins and losses are as hard to predict for us as his gameplay is for his opponents. Rogue is by far the best Zerg of this year. If he is mentally prepared and does not feel that much pressure, he is the most solid Z player across all 3 matchups. And there we go... "if he is mentally prepared and does not feel that much pressure". That is what Rogue is all about. He was the better player last GSL against soO, he even had the last game won but crumbled under pressure. He was the favourite against State in his current form and ZvP being his best MU but again he made it easy for Stats and basically defeated himself by using stupid builds. He was top 3 Korea ladder for what, half a year? Maybe he still is? 7k+ MMR for 3 months? That is not an easy feat at all. People are right to hype him up because he deserves it, at least for this year. Anyone who saw him play knows what a beast he is. If he ever sorts out the issues in his head in important matches he will be GSL champ level for sure | ||
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Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
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usopsama
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MarianoSC2
Slovakia1855 Posts
On August 31 2017 01:51 Poopi wrote: And I maintain you can find a lot of these players. Maru, TY, INno, ByuN, aLive for terrans. Dark, Rogue, soO, Solar for zergs. Stats, Classic, herO, sOs, Zest for protosses. That's already 14 players that are Ro8 level players and I probably forgot some :x. Basically all the SSL players (premier+challenge) could be considered GSL ro8 because they are at roughly the same level. Alive and sOs? :D Seriously? Inno, Stats, TY. The rest are currently not on Rogues level. You may make a case for soO, but he is only better in ZvZ, so I would not put him there. I sincerely hope Rogue wins the super tournament to prove himself further, he definitely has what it takes just needs to come in with a clear head. | ||
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SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
On August 31 2017 01:51 Poopi wrote: And I maintain you can find a lot of these players. Maru, TY, INno, ByuN, aLive for terrans. Dark, Rogue, soO, Solar for zergs. Stats, Classic, herO, sOs, Zest for protosses. That's already 14 players that are Ro8 level players and I probably forgot some :x. Basically all the SSL players (premier+challenge) could be considered GSL ro8 because they are at roughly the same level. So all those players are similar level, including Rogue, but his winning was also "out of nowhere"? Rogue had been more consistent than those other zergs in the last few weeks too, and had beaten Stats the last 3 times they played. Fine, of course in Starcraft its never a 100% bet but it was a better than most | ||
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Poopi
France12761 Posts
On August 31 2017 02:01 MarianoSC2 wrote: Alive and sOs? :D Seriously? Inno, Stats, TY. The rest are currently not on Rogues level. You may make a case for soO, but he is only better in ZvZ, so I would not put him there. I sincerely hope Rogue wins the super tournament to prove himself further, he definitely has what it takes just needs to come in with a clear head. Yes, aLive made it to the finals of GSL Super Tournament, he has been a GSL ro8 level player this year. He made it further in a GSL than Rogue afaik? Even tho it's not "the" GSL, it's the same players and a similar format. I'm pretty sure he won more prize money than Rogue btw, but I was not comparing aLive to Rogue, but rather just listing GSL ro8 players (my point is that almost all SSL players can be considered GSL ro8 level) sOs just made ro4 so I'm pretty sure he is a GSL ro8 level player LOL You should reread the conversation because you miss the point. So all those players are similar level, including Rogue, but his winning was also "out of nowhere"? Rogue had been more consistent than those other zergs in the last few weeks too, and had beaten Stats the last 3 times they played. Fine, of course in Starcraft its never a 100% bet but it was a better than most His IEM winning was out of nowhere since almost any active KR player (from the SSL premier+challenge) could have won it depending on form. Remember guys, this conversation started because when I said I liquidbetted for Rogue against Stats, I thought I was taking a risk, but some guy then said "wtf, Rogue is the obvious pick" and I wasn't that sure of that. Two hours later Rogue is defeated. I'm just trying to say that we should not overhype players because then we don't find a good reason for their failure other than shit ones (happened with Rogue in GSL, and INno in SSL) And I definitely voted for Rogue because he was hyped currently and I didn't manage to see his games to judge it myself :x edit: that's the post I'm talking about: Mine: Fuck yeah!!! That paid off so well!! Now if only Rogue beats Stats :D. Some guy: "Rogue beats Stats ez-pz. I just feel sorry that Rogue might stop sOs's BlizzCon dream ..." Of course I am salty since I was doing great in LB but betting Rogue was actually a mistake :/. (it was more like 50-50 than one player winning for sure) | ||
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MarianoSC2
Slovakia1855 Posts
On August 31 2017 02:36 Poopi wrote: Yes, aLive made it to the finals of GSL Super Tournament, he has been a GSL ro8 level player this year. He made it further in a GSL than Rogue afaik? Even tho it's not "the" GSL, it's the same players and a similar format. I'm pretty sure he won more prize money than Rogue btw, but I was not comparing aLive to Rogue, but rather just listing GSL ro8 players (my point is that almost all SSL players can be considered GSL ro8 level) sOs just made ro4 so I'm pretty sure he is a GSL ro8 level player LOL You should reread the conversation because you miss the point. His IEM winning was out of nowhere since almost any active KR player (from the SSL premier+challenge) could have won it depending on form. Remember guys, this conversation started because when I said I liquidbetted for Rogue against Stats, I thought I was taking a risk, but some guy then said "wtf, Rogue is the obvious pick" and I wasn't that sure of that. Two hours later Rogue is defeated. I'm just trying to say that we should not overhype players because then we don't find a good reason for their failure other than shit ones (happened with Rogue in GSL, and INno in SSL) And I definitely voted for Rogue because he was hyped currently and I didn't manage to see his games to judge it myself :x edit: that's the post I'm talking about: Mine: Some guy: "Rogue beats Stats ez-pz. I just feel sorry that Rogue might stop sOs's BlizzCon dream ..." Of course I am salty since I was doing great in LB but betting Rogue was actually a mistake :/. (it was more like 50-50 than one player winning for sure) Okay, fair enough I went off topic a bit... Nevertheless about the LBs, you should not take 1 fanboy opinion for granted. Hell I am a Rogue fanboy and I expected a close tough match. I did bet on Rogue because I felt it was a safer bet in his current form but well, I aint too surprised Stats won, just sad This was a tough one you should not feel bad really... | ||
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ghostmaster93
155 Posts
On August 31 2017 00:47 Poopi wrote: Who was saying Rogue vs Stats was an obvious Rogue liquibet again? Fuck I almost made it further than top 7, but now I'm probably gonna lose some places :/. Well at least not me. I trust that Stats is the better player, but today I take the chance to choose Rogue (just the feeling of him will make me suprise). You actually not need for depressed, the games are close, it could happen another way. | ||
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Tyrhanius
France947 Posts
On August 31 2017 01:02 Poopi wrote: No I'm tired of people defending him as some zerg god even after he just lost. The guy won 21k $ this year out of nowhere and he is praised as the Dark of 2017 or something? I think people don't accept that sc2 is highly volatile at the top level, so whenever someone "new" wins a tournament, they think he is gonna do well in the next tournaments and if not, it's just bad luck or whatever. But the harsh truth is that they are all at the same level depending on days. About sOs becoming better because Blizzcon is soon, I share this opinion too and that's why I gambled and betted on him: when he is expected to crush foreigners he plays like shit so we think he is bad, but when everybody starts to think he is bad he can make great upsets. His wins and losses are as hard to predict for us as his gameplay is for his opponents. Considering he was the first zerg to win a tournament with korean players since 10 months, you can call him a zerg god. It may be volatile, but at the highest level the winner is often Protoss or Terran. Fun fact, Zerg hasn't won a GSL since january 2015 on HOTS (and it was Life). | ||
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Phredxor
New Zealand15076 Posts
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Sakat
Croatia1599 Posts
On August 31 2017 03:45 Tyrhanius wrote: Considering he was the first zerg to win a tournament with korean players since 10 months, you can call him a zerg god. It may be volatile, but at the highest level the winner is often Protoss or Terran. Fun fact, Zerg hasn't won a GSL since january 2015 on HOTS (and it was Life). Thats what you get when only soO reaches finals | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
And reaching GSL playoffs twice in a row is impressive as hell. Its just a shame he peaked now and not earlier in the year. There's no shame in losing in GSL ro8, especially losing 3-2 someone with 12200 WCS points | ||
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pvsnp
7676 Posts
Or has the Rogue curse been broken? | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15880 Posts
On August 31 2017 05:51 pvsnp wrote: So Rogue has lost in the Ro8. Therefore, it is guaranteed that Stats will lose to sOs, who wins the whole thing. Or has the Rogue curse been broken? Last season it turned out soO curse is stronger than Rogue curse. | ||
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pvsnp
7676 Posts
On August 31 2017 05:52 Charoisaur wrote: Last season it turned out soO curse is stronger than Rogue curse. Ah, so the Rogue-killer-killer now loses in the finals? Gotcha. In other words, everybody on Rogue's side of the bracket is doomed. Also worth noting that if Inno makes the finals, he's swept both sOs and Stats in big-stage finals before (WCS Season 1 and IEM Gyeonggi, respectively). On top of that, he's beaten the rest of the Splyce roster in the finals this year, but Stats wasn't on Splyce at Gyeonggi (and that was in 2016 anyhow). | ||
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Alarak89
United States882 Posts
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juicyjames
United States3815 Posts
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Nakajin
Canada8988 Posts
On August 31 2017 09:29 juicyjames wrote: Any recommended matches? Stats-Rogue G1 | ||
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v1p3r52
New Zealand182 Posts
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FrkFrJss
Canada1205 Posts
On August 31 2017 12:26 v1p3r52 wrote: any else have trouble with afreeca vod? loading like shit Just use the twitch vods for the GSL twitch channel. | ||
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Topin
Peru10044 Posts
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Alarak89
United States882 Posts
On September 01 2017 14:15 Topin wrote: looks like sOs wins when it matters :/ and i really thought Rogue would win vs Stats 3-1...i guess protoss are too strong Stats will help sOs to go to GSL final again, Rogue knows it. | ||
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ParksonVN
Australia370 Posts
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neutralrobot
Australia1025 Posts
On September 01 2017 14:15 Topin wrote: looks like sOs wins when it matters :/ and i really thought Rogue would win vs Stats 3-1...i guess protoss are too strong Honestly, it looked like Rogue could have taken Stats if he'd had some different strategies in some of those games. Even though he lost, this is the series that made me believe in Rogue for real. Give him just a little more time and at some point, he might be one of the greats. | ||
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Myrddrael
United Kingdom291 Posts
On August 31 2017 03:30 ghostmaster93 wrote: Well at least not me. I trust that Stats is the better player, but today I take the chance to choose Rogue (just the feeling of him will make me suprise). You actually not need for depressed, the games are close, it could happen another way. I was originally going to vote for Rogue before I watched him fall apart to Bunny a few days prior in Masters Coliseum. Not the same match up sure, but it shows weakness in mentality in a best of 5 format if things aren't going as smoothly as he would like. And, that's exactly what happened. | ||
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Sakat
Croatia1599 Posts
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