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The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
July 14 2017 15:08 GMT
#481
On July 15 2017 00:07 Nebuchad wrote:
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On July 15 2017 00:06 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On July 15 2017 00:03 Nebuchad wrote:
My biggest problem with WoL TvT was the amount of people who have never played chess in their lives saying that it's exactly like chess.

Noone is saying that it is exactly like chess.


Pretty sure I can find at least 5 separate vods of Artosis saying it

Go for it. Yes people compare it to chess, but usually you compare things which aren't "exactly the same"
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
July 14 2017 15:08 GMT
#482
On July 15 2017 00:04 Elentos wrote:
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On July 15 2017 00:03 Nebuchad wrote:
My biggest problem with WoL TvT was the amount of people who have never played chess in their lives saying that it's exactly like chess.

People still compare TvT to chess, I'll never wrap my head around that.

It's exactly like chess. Whoever doomdrops their knights and bishops on their opponents king first wins.
Community News"As long as you have a warp prism you can't be bad at harassment" - Maru | @SetGuitars2Kill
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55566 Posts
July 14 2017 15:08 GMT
#483
On July 15 2017 00:06 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2017 00:04 Luolis wrote:
On July 15 2017 00:03 Charoisaur wrote:
On July 15 2017 00:02 Luolis wrote:
On July 15 2017 00:01 Charoisaur wrote:
On July 15 2017 00:00 Luolis wrote:
I always thought WoL TvT was the best TvT anyways. HotS became not as good because of speedvacs and the cloak change that made 111 openers so prevalent :D

no thanks, those never-ending tank stalemates weren't very entertaining.

You liked doomdropfest more? :D

yes

nothing wrong with doom-drops.

I dunno, i think theyre a pretty boring way to end games compared to like good long positional play.

Well, it's not like you can just randomly load up medivacs and boost in the opponent's base.
Getting a good doom-drop or preventing it has a lot to do with maintaining map-control and having good army positioning.

But it's not like actual tank stalemates can happen anymore now with liberators. While doom drops are still a pain to clean up if they slip through your network even just once.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12379 Posts
July 14 2017 15:09 GMT
#484
On July 15 2017 00:08 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2017 00:07 Nebuchad wrote:
On July 15 2017 00:06 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On July 15 2017 00:03 Nebuchad wrote:
My biggest problem with WoL TvT was the amount of people who have never played chess in their lives saying that it's exactly like chess.

Noone is saying that it is exactly like chess.


Pretty sure I can find at least 5 separate vods of Artosis saying it

Go for it. Yes people compare it to chess, but usually you compare things which aren't "exactly the same"


Okay, so let me amend that. It has barely anything in common with chess.
No will to live, no wish to die
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-14 15:09:40
July 14 2017 15:09 GMT
#485
On July 15 2017 00:08 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2017 00:04 Elentos wrote:
On July 15 2017 00:03 Nebuchad wrote:
My biggest problem with WoL TvT was the amount of people who have never played chess in their lives saying that it's exactly like chess.

People still compare TvT to chess, I'll never wrap my head around that.

It's exactly like chess. Whoever doomdrops their knights and bishops on their opponents king first wins.


It's like noob chess, always go for the rook back row checkmate
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Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
July 14 2017 15:09 GMT
#486
On July 15 2017 00:08 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2017 00:04 Elentos wrote:
On July 15 2017 00:03 Nebuchad wrote:
My biggest problem with WoL TvT was the amount of people who have never played chess in their lives saying that it's exactly like chess.

People still compare TvT to chess, I'll never wrap my head around that.

It's exactly like chess. Whoever doomdrops their knights and bishops on their opponents king first wins.

It's called "castling", look it up.
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55566 Posts
July 14 2017 15:09 GMT
#487
On July 15 2017 00:08 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2017 00:04 Elentos wrote:
On July 15 2017 00:03 Nebuchad wrote:
My biggest problem with WoL TvT was the amount of people who have never played chess in their lives saying that it's exactly like chess.

People still compare TvT to chess, I'll never wrap my head around that.

It's exactly like chess. Whoever doomdrops their knights and bishops on their opponents king first wins.

Proxy rook cheese is the worst thing to ever happen to chess.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Luolis
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Finland7155 Posts
July 14 2017 15:09 GMT
#488
On July 15 2017 00:08 [PkF] Wire wrote:
isn't MaSa's opener rather... strange ?

Masa opened almost exactly like i do always. I like it because it's fairly safe and you get to bio really fast, which i like because it skips the shit earlygame tank pushes.
pro cheese woman / Its never Sunny in Finland. Perkele / FinnishStarcraftTrivia
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16024 Posts
July 14 2017 15:09 GMT
#489
On July 15 2017 00:07 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2017 00:06 Charoisaur wrote:
On July 15 2017 00:04 Luolis wrote:
On July 15 2017 00:03 Charoisaur wrote:
On July 15 2017 00:02 Luolis wrote:
On July 15 2017 00:01 Charoisaur wrote:
On July 15 2017 00:00 Luolis wrote:
I always thought WoL TvT was the best TvT anyways. HotS became not as good because of speedvacs and the cloak change that made 111 openers so prevalent :D

no thanks, those never-ending tank stalemates weren't very entertaining.

You liked doomdropfest more? :D

yes

nothing wrong with doom-drops.

I dunno, i think theyre a pretty boring way to end games compared to like good long positional play.

Well, it's not like you can just randomly load up medivacs and boost in the opponent's base.
Getting a good doom-drop or preventing it has a lot to do with maintaining map-control and having good army positioning.

Nah a lot of the time it's really just: Hey i am out of options, let's load up and pray!

and then you die because the opponent just attacks while 4 + medivacs worth of units are missing from your army...
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24238 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-14 15:10:36
July 14 2017 15:10 GMT
#490
On July 15 2017 00:09 Luolis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2017 00:08 [PkF] Wire wrote:
isn't MaSa's opener rather... strange ?

Masa opened almost exactly like i do always. I like it because it's fairly safe and you get to bio really fast, which i like because it skips the shit earlygame tank pushes.

yeah I get the point of it now. It looks indeed very safe and skips the part of the game I don't enjoy as well. Maybe I should try it.
intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
July 14 2017 15:10 GMT
#491
On July 15 2017 00:08 [PkF] Wire wrote:
isn't MaSa's opener rather... strange ?

Dude that's all his games.
kiss kiss fall in love
Luolis
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Finland7155 Posts
July 14 2017 15:11 GMT
#492
On July 15 2017 00:10 [PkF] Wire wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2017 00:09 Luolis wrote:
On July 15 2017 00:08 [PkF] Wire wrote:
isn't MaSa's opener rather... strange ?

Masa opened almost exactly like i do always. I like it because it's fairly safe and you get to bio really fast, which i like because it skips the shit earlygame tank pushes.

yeah I get the point of it now. It looks indeed very safe. Maybe I should try it.

Yeah the only difference is that he added a factory that fast, while i make a 3rd rax before it to add to the safeness aswell as getting a huge force of bio to harass with when you get medivacs.
pro cheese woman / Its never Sunny in Finland. Perkele / FinnishStarcraftTrivia
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24238 Posts
July 14 2017 15:11 GMT
#493
On July 15 2017 00:10 intotheheart wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2017 00:08 [PkF] Wire wrote:
isn't MaSa's opener rather... strange ?

Dude that's all his games.

I don't understand anything to TvT, don't be too harsh on me
was it his opener last game ? Maybe this was and I found it less surprising since it was Defender's
Luolis
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Finland7155 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-14 15:12:22
July 14 2017 15:11 GMT
#494
I don't like him throwing his marines away though, i think he needs them to hold banshee/tank push.

e: like this would be an easy hold if he had those marines now.
pro cheese woman / Its never Sunny in Finland. Perkele / FinnishStarcraftTrivia
intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
July 14 2017 15:12 GMT
#495
On July 15 2017 00:11 [PkF] Wire wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2017 00:10 intotheheart wrote:
On July 15 2017 00:08 [PkF] Wire wrote:
isn't MaSa's opener rather... strange ?

Dude that's all his games.

I don't understand anything to TvT, don't be too harsh on me
was it his opener last game ? Maybe this was and I found it less surprising since it was Defender's

Sorry!

MaSa kinda made his name by playing wacky builds and somehow winning games off them.
kiss kiss fall in love
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
July 14 2017 15:14 GMT
#496
On July 15 2017 00:09 Nebuchad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2017 00:08 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On July 15 2017 00:07 Nebuchad wrote:
On July 15 2017 00:06 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On July 15 2017 00:03 Nebuchad wrote:
My biggest problem with WoL TvT was the amount of people who have never played chess in their lives saying that it's exactly like chess.

Noone is saying that it is exactly like chess.


Pretty sure I can find at least 5 separate vods of Artosis saying it

Go for it. Yes people compare it to chess, but usually you compare things which aren't "exactly the same"


Okay, so let me amend that. It has barely anything in common with chess.

I mean obviously a round based game like chess with perfect information is very different from a real time game with imperfect information.
But in comparison to the other matchups TvT felt the most like this round based game trying to control space, etc. I mean you could compare it to go and that might be better, but chess is the western game so there is that.
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24238 Posts
July 14 2017 15:15 GMT
#497
On July 15 2017 00:12 intotheheart wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2017 00:11 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On July 15 2017 00:10 intotheheart wrote:
On July 15 2017 00:08 [PkF] Wire wrote:
isn't MaSa's opener rather... strange ?

Dude that's all his games.

I don't understand anything to TvT, don't be too harsh on me
was it his opener last game ? Maybe this was and I found it less surprising since it was Defender's

Sorry!

MaSa kinda made his name by playing wacky builds and somehow winning games off them.

np np mate
MaSa is an interesting player indeed, not as offbeat as Has but definitely interesting
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24238 Posts
July 14 2017 15:15 GMT
#498
abrupt end ^^
intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
July 14 2017 15:15 GMT
#499
On July 15 2017 00:15 [PkF] Wire wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2017 00:12 intotheheart wrote:
On July 15 2017 00:11 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On July 15 2017 00:10 intotheheart wrote:
On July 15 2017 00:08 [PkF] Wire wrote:
isn't MaSa's opener rather... strange ?

Dude that's all his games.

I don't understand anything to TvT, don't be too harsh on me
was it his opener last game ? Maybe this was and I found it less surprising since it was Defender's

Sorry!

MaSa kinda made his name by playing wacky builds and somehow winning games off them.

np np mate
MaSa is an interesting player indeed, not as offbeat as Has but definitely interesting

If you wanna know what I'm talking about, try checking out the Ender's Game BluRay Invitational during HotS where he just did some WILD ASS SHIT.
kiss kiss fall in love
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
July 14 2017 15:16 GMT
#500
On July 15 2017 00:09 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2017 00:07 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On July 15 2017 00:06 Charoisaur wrote:
On July 15 2017 00:04 Luolis wrote:
On July 15 2017 00:03 Charoisaur wrote:
On July 15 2017 00:02 Luolis wrote:
On July 15 2017 00:01 Charoisaur wrote:
On July 15 2017 00:00 Luolis wrote:
I always thought WoL TvT was the best TvT anyways. HotS became not as good because of speedvacs and the cloak change that made 111 openers so prevalent :D

no thanks, those never-ending tank stalemates weren't very entertaining.

You liked doomdropfest more? :D

yes

nothing wrong with doom-drops.

I dunno, i think theyre a pretty boring way to end games compared to like good long positional play.

Well, it's not like you can just randomly load up medivacs and boost in the opponent's base.
Getting a good doom-drop or preventing it has a lot to do with maintaining map-control and having good army positioning.

Nah a lot of the time it's really just: Hey i am out of options, let's load up and pray!

and then you die because the opponent just attacks while 4 + medivacs worth of units are missing from your army...

Typically the guy who is on top of the enemy production first wins in these situations
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
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