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On July 15 2017 00:07 Nebuchad wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2017 00:06 The_Red_Viper wrote:On July 15 2017 00:03 Nebuchad wrote: My biggest problem with WoL TvT was the amount of people who have never played chess in their lives saying that it's exactly like chess. Noone is saying that it is exactly like chess. Pretty sure I can find at least 5 separate vods of Artosis saying it Go for it. Yes people compare it to chess, but usually you compare things which aren't "exactly the same"
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On July 15 2017 00:04 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2017 00:03 Nebuchad wrote: My biggest problem with WoL TvT was the amount of people who have never played chess in their lives saying that it's exactly like chess. People still compare TvT to chess, I'll never wrap my head around that. It's exactly like chess. Whoever doomdrops their knights and bishops on their opponents king first wins.
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On July 15 2017 00:06 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2017 00:04 Luolis wrote:On July 15 2017 00:03 Charoisaur wrote:On July 15 2017 00:02 Luolis wrote:On July 15 2017 00:01 Charoisaur wrote:On July 15 2017 00:00 Luolis wrote: I always thought WoL TvT was the best TvT anyways. HotS became not as good because of speedvacs and the cloak change that made 111 openers so prevalent :D no thanks, those never-ending tank stalemates weren't very entertaining. You liked doomdropfest more? :D yes nothing wrong with doom-drops. I dunno, i think theyre a pretty boring way to end games compared to like good long positional play. Well, it's not like you can just randomly load up medivacs and boost in the opponent's base. Getting a good doom-drop or preventing it has a lot to do with maintaining map-control and having good army positioning. But it's not like actual tank stalemates can happen anymore now with liberators. While doom drops are still a pain to clean up if they slip through your network even just once.
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On July 15 2017 00:08 The_Red_Viper wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2017 00:07 Nebuchad wrote:On July 15 2017 00:06 The_Red_Viper wrote:On July 15 2017 00:03 Nebuchad wrote: My biggest problem with WoL TvT was the amount of people who have never played chess in their lives saying that it's exactly like chess. Noone is saying that it is exactly like chess. Pretty sure I can find at least 5 separate vods of Artosis saying it Go for it. Yes people compare it to chess, but usually you compare things which aren't "exactly the same"
Okay, so let me amend that. It has barely anything in common with chess.
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On July 15 2017 00:08 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2017 00:04 Elentos wrote:On July 15 2017 00:03 Nebuchad wrote: My biggest problem with WoL TvT was the amount of people who have never played chess in their lives saying that it's exactly like chess. People still compare TvT to chess, I'll never wrap my head around that. It's exactly like chess. Whoever doomdrops their knights and bishops on their opponents king first wins.
It's like noob chess, always go for the rook back row checkmate
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On July 15 2017 00:08 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2017 00:04 Elentos wrote:On July 15 2017 00:03 Nebuchad wrote: My biggest problem with WoL TvT was the amount of people who have never played chess in their lives saying that it's exactly like chess. People still compare TvT to chess, I'll never wrap my head around that. It's exactly like chess. Whoever doomdrops their knights and bishops on their opponents king first wins. It's called "castling", look it up.
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On July 15 2017 00:08 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2017 00:04 Elentos wrote:On July 15 2017 00:03 Nebuchad wrote: My biggest problem with WoL TvT was the amount of people who have never played chess in their lives saying that it's exactly like chess. People still compare TvT to chess, I'll never wrap my head around that. It's exactly like chess. Whoever doomdrops their knights and bishops on their opponents king first wins. Proxy rook cheese is the worst thing to ever happen to chess.
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On July 15 2017 00:08 [PkF] Wire wrote: isn't MaSa's opener rather... strange ? Masa opened almost exactly like i do always. I like it because it's fairly safe and you get to bio really fast, which i like because it skips the shit earlygame tank pushes.
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On July 15 2017 00:07 The_Red_Viper wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2017 00:06 Charoisaur wrote:On July 15 2017 00:04 Luolis wrote:On July 15 2017 00:03 Charoisaur wrote:On July 15 2017 00:02 Luolis wrote:On July 15 2017 00:01 Charoisaur wrote:On July 15 2017 00:00 Luolis wrote: I always thought WoL TvT was the best TvT anyways. HotS became not as good because of speedvacs and the cloak change that made 111 openers so prevalent :D no thanks, those never-ending tank stalemates weren't very entertaining. You liked doomdropfest more? :D yes nothing wrong with doom-drops. I dunno, i think theyre a pretty boring way to end games compared to like good long positional play. Well, it's not like you can just randomly load up medivacs and boost in the opponent's base. Getting a good doom-drop or preventing it has a lot to do with maintaining map-control and having good army positioning. Nah a lot of the time it's really just: Hey i am out of options, let's load up and pray! and then you die because the opponent just attacks while 4 + medivacs worth of units are missing from your army...
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On July 15 2017 00:09 Luolis wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2017 00:08 [PkF] Wire wrote: isn't MaSa's opener rather... strange ? Masa opened almost exactly like i do always. I like it because it's fairly safe and you get to bio really fast, which i like because it skips the shit earlygame tank pushes. yeah I get the point of it now. It looks indeed very safe and skips the part of the game I don't enjoy as well. Maybe I should try it.
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On July 15 2017 00:08 [PkF] Wire wrote: isn't MaSa's opener rather... strange ? Dude that's all his games.
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On July 15 2017 00:10 [PkF] Wire wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2017 00:09 Luolis wrote:On July 15 2017 00:08 [PkF] Wire wrote: isn't MaSa's opener rather... strange ? Masa opened almost exactly like i do always. I like it because it's fairly safe and you get to bio really fast, which i like because it skips the shit earlygame tank pushes. yeah I get the point of it now. It looks indeed very safe. Maybe I should try it. Yeah the only difference is that he added a factory that fast, while i make a 3rd rax before it to add to the safeness aswell as getting a huge force of bio to harass with when you get medivacs.
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On July 15 2017 00:10 intotheheart wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2017 00:08 [PkF] Wire wrote: isn't MaSa's opener rather... strange ? Dude that's all his games. I don't understand anything to TvT, don't be too harsh on me was it his opener last game ? Maybe this was and I found it less surprising since it was Defender's
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I don't like him throwing his marines away though, i think he needs them to hold banshee/tank push.
e: like this would be an easy hold if he had those marines now.
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On July 15 2017 00:11 [PkF] Wire wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2017 00:10 intotheheart wrote:On July 15 2017 00:08 [PkF] Wire wrote: isn't MaSa's opener rather... strange ? Dude that's all his games. I don't understand anything to TvT, don't be too harsh on me was it his opener last game ? Maybe this was and I found it less surprising since it was Defender's Sorry!
MaSa kinda made his name by playing wacky builds and somehow winning games off them.
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On July 15 2017 00:09 Nebuchad wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2017 00:08 The_Red_Viper wrote:On July 15 2017 00:07 Nebuchad wrote:On July 15 2017 00:06 The_Red_Viper wrote:On July 15 2017 00:03 Nebuchad wrote: My biggest problem with WoL TvT was the amount of people who have never played chess in their lives saying that it's exactly like chess. Noone is saying that it is exactly like chess. Pretty sure I can find at least 5 separate vods of Artosis saying it Go for it. Yes people compare it to chess, but usually you compare things which aren't "exactly the same" Okay, so let me amend that. It has barely anything in common with chess. I mean obviously a round based game like chess with perfect information is very different from a real time game with imperfect information. But in comparison to the other matchups TvT felt the most like this round based game trying to control space, etc. I mean you could compare it to go and that might be better, but chess is the western game so there is that.
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On July 15 2017 00:12 intotheheart wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2017 00:11 [PkF] Wire wrote:On July 15 2017 00:10 intotheheart wrote:On July 15 2017 00:08 [PkF] Wire wrote: isn't MaSa's opener rather... strange ? Dude that's all his games. I don't understand anything to TvT, don't be too harsh on me was it his opener last game ? Maybe this was and I found it less surprising since it was Defender's Sorry! MaSa kinda made his name by playing wacky builds and somehow winning games off them. np np mate MaSa is an interesting player indeed, not as offbeat as Has but definitely interesting
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On July 15 2017 00:15 [PkF] Wire wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2017 00:12 intotheheart wrote:On July 15 2017 00:11 [PkF] Wire wrote:On July 15 2017 00:10 intotheheart wrote:On July 15 2017 00:08 [PkF] Wire wrote: isn't MaSa's opener rather... strange ? Dude that's all his games. I don't understand anything to TvT, don't be too harsh on me was it his opener last game ? Maybe this was and I found it less surprising since it was Defender's Sorry! MaSa kinda made his name by playing wacky builds and somehow winning games off them. np np mate MaSa is an interesting player indeed, not as offbeat as Has but definitely interesting If you wanna know what I'm talking about, try checking out the Ender's Game BluRay Invitational during HotS where he just did some WILD ASS SHIT.
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On July 15 2017 00:09 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2017 00:07 The_Red_Viper wrote:On July 15 2017 00:06 Charoisaur wrote:On July 15 2017 00:04 Luolis wrote:On July 15 2017 00:03 Charoisaur wrote:On July 15 2017 00:02 Luolis wrote:On July 15 2017 00:01 Charoisaur wrote:On July 15 2017 00:00 Luolis wrote: I always thought WoL TvT was the best TvT anyways. HotS became not as good because of speedvacs and the cloak change that made 111 openers so prevalent :D no thanks, those never-ending tank stalemates weren't very entertaining. You liked doomdropfest more? :D yes nothing wrong with doom-drops. I dunno, i think theyre a pretty boring way to end games compared to like good long positional play. Well, it's not like you can just randomly load up medivacs and boost in the opponent's base. Getting a good doom-drop or preventing it has a lot to do with maintaining map-control and having good army positioning. Nah a lot of the time it's really just: Hey i am out of options, let's load up and pray! and then you die because the opponent just attacks while 4 + medivacs worth of units are missing from your army... Typically the guy who is on top of the enemy production first wins in these situations
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