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Canada8991 Posts
On June 20 2017 01:42 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Understandable that serral is shy and stuff, but that's the things i am talking about. It is hard to make people care for someone like that. This sounds harsh, but people said the same about koreans and it's almost the same in this case. (at least we can understand him directly, that's worth something)
People care for Neeb, and they cared for Scarlett when she was the worst at interview.
If your good enough people are gonna love you
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On June 20 2017 01:42 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Understandable that serral is shy and stuff, but that's the things i am talking about. It is hard to make people care for someone like that. This sounds harsh, but people said the same about koreans and it's almost the same in this case. (at least we can understand him directly, that's worth something)
And?
the player-viewer ratio is good for sc2 the problem isn't that the scene is not interesting enough we just don't have enough players.
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On June 20 2017 01:42 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Understandable that serral is shy and stuff, but that's the things i am talking about. It is hard to make people care for someone like that. This sounds harsh, but people said the same about koreans and it's almost the same in this case. (at least we can understand him directly, that's worth something)
ye,
walk the walk, but plz talk the trash a bit too:D
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On June 20 2017 01:42 Luolis wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2017 01:42 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Understandable that serral is shy and stuff, but that's the things i am talking about. It is hard to make people care for someone like that. This sounds harsh, but people said the same about koreans and it's almost the same in this case. (at least we can understand him directly, that's worth something) its fine, us finlanders can appreciate his godlikeness))
All these non-Finns are missing out
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On June 20 2017 01:43 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2017 01:39 Aeromi wrote:
Kind of awesome to see that Serral breakout performance was during DH against Supernova and Jaedong and now he has a shot to qualify for Blizzon a few years later. What i never understood is how he has beaten Jaedong in ZvZ, basically went tit-for-tat against Supernova and then got 2-0d by ForGG.
ForGG was the best hellbat amover we ever had, including Bbyong.
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On June 20 2017 01:38 The_Red_Viper wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2017 01:35 raff100 wrote:On June 20 2017 01:34 The_Red_Viper wrote:On June 20 2017 01:29 Charoisaur wrote:On June 20 2017 01:24 Fango wrote:On June 20 2017 01:20 Ej_ wrote:On June 20 2017 01:19 Fango wrote:On June 20 2017 01:14 Charoisaur wrote:On June 20 2017 01:13 Fango wrote:On June 20 2017 01:11 The_Red_Viper wrote:
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It's all about building a fanbase which is in love with teams/players. Even if the game gets worse/boring, a lot of people will still watch. Sc2 was always kinda bad at that (creating a following behind players) You say that but I'm watching cs because its legit more interesting than the sc2 right now. And there's much less hassle with imbalanced races making it almost all skill dependant. imbalance only exists in the minds of salty players who want something to blame Yh yh BL/infestor, blink allins, hellbat pushes, reaper rushes, adept allins. These things where all balanced. Blizzard nerfing and buffing things makes no change cuz everything is always balanced im sure all of these have been the things keeping you from winning games below 6k mmr I never said they effected me personally. We're talking esports. They effected most pro matches at their imbalance peak And btw the race switching thing if you think something is good. I switched from T to P when LoTV came out because I thought adapts were broken lol even at the pro level balance is overrated. Every time someone wins with adepts people say imba imba but the statistics say that the matchup is fine. In the end the better player wins most of the time. The only times when balance was a serious problem was early wol terran, BL/Infestor and Blink era. Why keep people talking about "balance", you are right it is basically a nonissue. What is an actual issue is if the design is actually fun/interesting. Unit interactions are important. It might be "balanced" but that doesn't matter if people think it is not enjoyable. We talked about csgo for example, what is so nice about coutnerstrike? A big + is that the economy + round structure functions in a way that there is minimal snowballing. So there are lots and lots of ways to come back into a game if you are the better team at that day. Lots of other things to talk about, but probably doesn't belong here. Serral is pretty good That's not much to add guys:people watch games they like playing and actually only a small part of gaming community loves RTS You are basically just talking about the effect, what's way more interesting is the cause. Why do people like to play/watch certain games. "because it is rts" doesn't tell us anything worthwhile. Also sure, a huge playerbase obviously helps for esports, but even there you need to convert that to an actual viewerbase. Some games do way better, if we consider the small playerbase sc2 does very well in that regard for example.
Imho SC2 has some design issues that became bigger with LotV but it wouldn't contrast MOBA even if it was the perfect RTS.We can't expect a 1v1 game to become bigger than a 5v5 game ,as we cannot expect tennis to be bigger than football or basketball. Socialising is the key and SC2 fell in this department.
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On June 20 2017 01:44 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2017 01:43 lolfail9001 wrote:On June 20 2017 01:39 Aeromi wrote:
Kind of awesome to see that Serral breakout performance was during DH against Supernova and Jaedong and now he has a shot to qualify for Blizzon a few years later. What i never understood is how he has beaten Jaedong in ZvZ, basically went tit-for-tat against Supernova and then got 2-0d by ForGG. ForGG was the best hellbat amover we ever had, including Bbyong.
He was the greatest Terran ever. When he won the DH against Life the whole Millenium editors Skype group was crazy and everyone cried. Happy time. 
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noooo the serral-potential meme is close to being officially dead :[
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On June 20 2017 01:46 Waxangel wrote:
noooo the serral-potential meme is close to being officially dead :[
not if he chokes in the finals and loses 0-4
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On June 20 2017 01:46 Waxangel wrote:
noooo the serral-potential meme is close to being officially dead :[
Watch him get 4-0'd by Kelazhur.
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On June 20 2017 01:46 Waxangel wrote:
noooo the serral-potential meme is close to being officially dead :[
About to be replaced by a Serral-is-a-Kong meme thanks to LATAM
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On June 20 2017 01:42 Luolis wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2017 01:42 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Understandable that serral is shy and stuff, but that's the things i am talking about. It is hard to make people care for someone like that. This sounds harsh, but people said the same about koreans and it's almost the same in this case. (at least we can understand him directly, that's worth something) its fine, us finlanders can appreciate his godlikeness))
I only mentioned this because people brought it up before, but yeah i think it's a good example. Serral, Neeb, etc are no Idra/Huk/Stephano/etc.
Just a thought.
But yeah Serral is obviously really good, so i respect his skill.
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On June 20 2017 01:47 The_Red_Viper wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2017 01:42 Luolis wrote:On June 20 2017 01:42 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Understandable that serral is shy and stuff, but that's the things i am talking about. It is hard to make people care for someone like that. This sounds harsh, but people said the same about koreans and it's almost the same in this case. (at least we can understand him directly, that's worth something) its fine, us finlanders can appreciate his godlikeness)) I only mentioned this because people brought it up before, but yeah i think it's a good example. Serral, Neeb, etc are no Idra/Huk/Stephano/etc. Just a thought. But yeah Serral is obviously really good, so i respect his skill.
Stephano was so shy in 2010-2011 during interviews.
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On June 20 2017 01:47 The_Red_Viper wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2017 01:42 Luolis wrote:On June 20 2017 01:42 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Understandable that serral is shy and stuff, but that's the things i am talking about. It is hard to make people care for someone like that. This sounds harsh, but people said the same about koreans and it's almost the same in this case. (at least we can understand him directly, that's worth something) its fine, us finlanders can appreciate his godlikeness)) I only mentioned this because people brought it up before, but yeah i think it's a good example. Serral, Neeb, etc are no Idra/Huk/Stephano/etc. Just a thought. But yeah Serral is obviously really good, so i respect his skill.
We still have Nerchio though
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can't believe you haven't included aLive into that one
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On June 20 2017 01:49 Durnuu wrote:100% Neeb
It's not competitive.
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On June 20 2017 01:44 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2017 01:42 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Understandable that serral is shy and stuff, but that's the things i am talking about. It is hard to make people care for someone like that. This sounds harsh, but people said the same about koreans and it's almost the same in this case. (at least we can understand him directly, that's worth something) And? the player-viewer ratio is good for sc2 the problem isn't that the scene is not interesting enough we just don't have enough players.
I mean there are multiple things the scene would need. I am not saying X,Y or Z are the only thing important. Saying that players who are more entertaining on their own aren't a factor (at all?) is kinda naive though.
Ofc a bigger playerbase would help, but so would a lot of other things including players who are actually a bit more interesting when they open their mouth. faceless korean, faceless foreigner is real to some extent
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