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On June 20 2017 01:21 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2017 01:18 Charoisaur wrote:On June 20 2017 01:16 Fango wrote:On June 20 2017 01:14 Charoisaur wrote:On June 20 2017 01:13 Fango wrote:On June 20 2017 01:11 The_Red_Viper wrote:On June 20 2017 01:07 Charoisaur wrote:On June 20 2017 00:59 Diabolique wrote:
Can someone explain me, how can 100k people watch CSGO? What is interesting on watching it? Playing it is OK, but watching??? While watching SC2 is so nice and only 20k watch it? I understand it with CS GO. I don't understand it with LoL/DotA at all... It's all about building a fanbase which is in love with teams/players. Even if the game gets worse/boring, a lot of people will still watch. Sc2 was always kinda bad at that (creating a following behind players) You say that but I'm watching cs because its legit more interesting than the sc2 right now. And there's much less hassle with imbalanced races making it almost all skill dependant. lol sc2 is as balanced as it gets. Not really. Cs involves 2 teams with almost the same resources, and then they swap halves each map to ensure nothing broken can happen. sc2 has had many stages of imbalance across all races Sure maybe sc2 may not be 100% perfectly balanced. But people make the balance of sc2 appear to be much more of a problem than it is. It really is a non-issue when talking about the popularity of the game. In terms of esports it is an issue though. With csgo anything clearly broken doesn't effect results and both teams get the same stuff. In sc2 if one race is OP we get mass mirror matchups and awful games should players choose the broken strat. who likes watching blink or adept allins when they killed 90% of terran for example?
Mass mirror matchups happens not because of balance, it happens because of the player pool & brackets.
Balance is also not a decider at all considering view counts. Moba heroes are imbalanced as hell, same vetoes & picks between 20 characters every single game but people still watches it.
I played all three mobas & cs:go in the past, never liked watching it. I think they're all extremely boring. I don't know if there is any other game which is more fun to watch than Sc.
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On June 20 2017 01:27 Diabolique wrote:
I don't want Serral to win. His talking makes me nervous. He is such a nice guy up to the moment when he starts talking. His voice is very weird.
Go Diego!
What? Are you serious?
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On June 20 2017 01:29 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2017 01:24 Fango wrote:On June 20 2017 01:20 Ej_ wrote:On June 20 2017 01:19 Fango wrote:On June 20 2017 01:14 Charoisaur wrote:On June 20 2017 01:13 Fango wrote:On June 20 2017 01:11 The_Red_Viper wrote:On June 20 2017 01:07 Charoisaur wrote:On June 20 2017 00:59 Diabolique wrote:
Can someone explain me, how can 100k people watch CSGO? What is interesting on watching it? Playing it is OK, but watching??? While watching SC2 is so nice and only 20k watch it? I understand it with CS GO. I don't understand it with LoL/DotA at all... It's all about building a fanbase which is in love with teams/players. Even if the game gets worse/boring, a lot of people will still watch. Sc2 was always kinda bad at that (creating a following behind players) You say that but I'm watching cs because its legit more interesting than the sc2 right now. And there's much less hassle with imbalanced races making it almost all skill dependant. imbalance only exists in the minds of salty players who want something to blame Yh yh BL/infestor, blink allins, hellbat pushes, reaper rushes, adept allins. These things where all balanced. Blizzard nerfing and buffing things makes no change cuz everything is always balanced im sure all of these have been the things keeping you from winning games below 6k mmr I never said they effected me personally. We're talking esports. They effected most pro matches at their imbalance peak And btw the race switching thing if you think something is good. I switched from T to P when LoTV came out because I thought adapts were broken lol even at the pro level balance is overrated. Every time someone wins with adepts people say imba imba but the statistics say that the matchup is fine. In the end the better player wins most of the time. The only times when balance was a serious problem was early wol terran, BL/Infestor and Blink era.
Statistically, the worst era was TvP earlier this year at almost 60-40 in favor of terran though. I'd say that was a "serious balance problem" 
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On June 20 2017 01:30 raff100 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2017 01:27 Diabolique wrote:
I don't want Serral to win. His talking makes me nervous. He is such a nice guy up to the moment when he starts talking. His voice is very weird.
Go Diego! What? Are you serious?
He talks like a Zerg. Not like a Human.
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2 aussies calling the zvz seems fitting
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Quivering roach warrens of dooooom
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ILLEGAL ROACH SKIN
DISQUALIFY HIM
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Serral, the Unstoppable Force
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On June 20 2017 01:29 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2017 01:24 Fango wrote:On June 20 2017 01:20 Ej_ wrote:On June 20 2017 01:19 Fango wrote:On June 20 2017 01:14 Charoisaur wrote:On June 20 2017 01:13 Fango wrote:On June 20 2017 01:11 The_Red_Viper wrote:On June 20 2017 01:07 Charoisaur wrote:On June 20 2017 00:59 Diabolique wrote:
Can someone explain me, how can 100k people watch CSGO? What is interesting on watching it? Playing it is OK, but watching??? While watching SC2 is so nice and only 20k watch it? I understand it with CS GO. I don't understand it with LoL/DotA at all... It's all about building a fanbase which is in love with teams/players. Even if the game gets worse/boring, a lot of people will still watch. Sc2 was always kinda bad at that (creating a following behind players) You say that but I'm watching cs because its legit more interesting than the sc2 right now. And there's much less hassle with imbalanced races making it almost all skill dependant. imbalance only exists in the minds of salty players who want something to blame Yh yh BL/infestor, blink allins, hellbat pushes, reaper rushes, adept allins. These things where all balanced. Blizzard nerfing and buffing things makes no change cuz everything is always balanced im sure all of these have been the things keeping you from winning games below 6k mmr I never said they effected me personally. We're talking esports. They effected most pro matches at their imbalance peak And btw the race switching thing if you think something is good. I switched from T to P when LoTV came out because I thought adapts were broken lol even at the pro level balance is overrated. Every time someone wins with adepts people say imba imba but the statistics say that the matchup is fine. In the end the better player wins most of the time. The only times when balance was a serious problem was early wol terran, BL/Infestor and Blink era.
Why keep people talking about "balance", you are right it is basically a nonissue. What is an actual issue is if the design is actually fun/interesting. Unit interactions are important. It might be "balanced" but that doesn't matter if people think it is not enjoyable.
We talked about csgo for example, what is so nice about coutnerstrike? A big + is that the economy + round structure functions in a way that there is minimal snowballing. So there are lots and lots of ways to come back into a game if you are the better team at that day.
Lots of other things to talk about, but probably doesn't belong here.
Serral is pretty good
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Serral is looking so strong right now. I'd like to see how he does against top koreans
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Huh, don't know how much I like that last bit if it was seriously a complaint. =/
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I didn't see the roach skin, it was there?
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Serral, please, do not talk.
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On June 20 2017 01:34 Nerchio wrote:
I didn't see the roach skin, it was there?
no
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On June 20 2017 01:34 Ej_ wrote:
ILLEGAL ROACH SKIN
DISQUALIFY HIM
FIRST AGAIN FIRECAKE
NOW AGAINST ELAZER
THIS KID IS A DISGRACE
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On June 20 2017 01:34 Nerchio wrote:
I didn't see the roach skin, it was there?
nope
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EPT
