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It was on a "lan" server so nobody has skins though
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Australia18228 Posts
We need that Neeb vs Serral trashtalk now
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Canada8991 Posts
On June 20 2017 01:35 Durnuu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2017 01:34 Nerchio wrote:
I didn't see the roach skin, it was there? nope
Rolf wtf Elazer
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thats a good faceless finnish interview
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On June 20 2017 01:34 The_Red_Viper wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2017 01:29 Charoisaur wrote:On June 20 2017 01:24 Fango wrote:On June 20 2017 01:20 Ej_ wrote:On June 20 2017 01:19 Fango wrote:On June 20 2017 01:14 Charoisaur wrote:On June 20 2017 01:13 Fango wrote:On June 20 2017 01:11 The_Red_Viper wrote:On June 20 2017 01:07 Charoisaur wrote:On June 20 2017 00:59 Diabolique wrote:
Can someone explain me, how can 100k people watch CSGO? What is interesting on watching it? Playing it is OK, but watching??? While watching SC2 is so nice and only 20k watch it? I understand it with CS GO. I don't understand it with LoL/DotA at all... It's all about building a fanbase which is in love with teams/players. Even if the game gets worse/boring, a lot of people will still watch. Sc2 was always kinda bad at that (creating a following behind players) You say that but I'm watching cs because its legit more interesting than the sc2 right now. And there's much less hassle with imbalanced races making it almost all skill dependant. imbalance only exists in the minds of salty players who want something to blame Yh yh BL/infestor, blink allins, hellbat pushes, reaper rushes, adept allins. These things where all balanced. Blizzard nerfing and buffing things makes no change cuz everything is always balanced im sure all of these have been the things keeping you from winning games below 6k mmr I never said they effected me personally. We're talking esports. They effected most pro matches at their imbalance peak And btw the race switching thing if you think something is good. I switched from T to P when LoTV came out because I thought adapts were broken lol even at the pro level balance is overrated. Every time someone wins with adepts people say imba imba but the statistics say that the matchup is fine. In the end the better player wins most of the time. The only times when balance was a serious problem was early wol terran, BL/Infestor and Blink era. Why keep people talking about "balance", you are right it is basically a nonissue. What is an actual issue is if the design is actually fun/interesting. Unit interactions are important. It might be "balanced" but that doesn't matter if people think it is not enjoyable. We talked about csgo for example, what is so nice about coutnerstrike? A big + is that the economy + round structure functions in a way that there is minimal snowballing. So there are lots and lots of ways to come back into a game if you are the better team at that day. Lots of other things to talk about, but probably doesn't belong here. Serral is pretty good
That's not much to add guys:people watch games they like playing and actually only a small part of gaming community loves RTS
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On June 20 2017 01:35 Nakajin wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2017 01:35 Durnuu wrote:On June 20 2017 01:34 Nerchio wrote:
I didn't see the roach skin, it was there? nope Rolf wtf Elazer
'skin :c' is just polish for 'gg wp gl next'
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Go Diego! Brazil forever!
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i feel like serral is the european zerg version of innovation
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I want Kelazhur to win, Serral better shows strong ZvT finally.
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On June 20 2017 01:34 Charoisaur wrote:
Serral is looking so strong right now. I'd like to see how he does against top koreans
He beat TRUE, Zest, and Patience at IEM and lost to Dark
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On June 20 2017 01:35 raff100 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2017 01:34 The_Red_Viper wrote:On June 20 2017 01:29 Charoisaur wrote:On June 20 2017 01:24 Fango wrote:On June 20 2017 01:20 Ej_ wrote:On June 20 2017 01:19 Fango wrote:On June 20 2017 01:14 Charoisaur wrote:On June 20 2017 01:13 Fango wrote:On June 20 2017 01:11 The_Red_Viper wrote:On June 20 2017 01:07 Charoisaur wrote:
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I understand it with CS GO.
I don't understand it with LoL/DotA
at all... It's all about building a fanbase which is in love with teams/players. Even if the game gets worse/boring, a lot of people will still watch. Sc2 was always kinda bad at that (creating a following behind players) You say that but I'm watching cs because its legit more interesting than the sc2 right now. And there's much less hassle with imbalanced races making it almost all skill dependant. imbalance only exists in the minds of salty players who want something to blame Yh yh BL/infestor, blink allins, hellbat pushes, reaper rushes, adept allins. These things where all balanced. Blizzard nerfing and buffing things makes no change cuz everything is always balanced im sure all of these have been the things keeping you from winning games below 6k mmr I never said they effected me personally. We're talking esports. They effected most pro matches at their imbalance peak And btw the race switching thing if you think something is good. I switched from T to P when LoTV came out because I thought adapts were broken lol even at the pro level balance is overrated. Every time someone wins with adepts people say imba imba but the statistics say that the matchup is fine. In the end the better player wins most of the time. The only times when balance was a serious problem was early wol terran, BL/Infestor and Blink era. Why keep people talking about "balance", you are right it is basically a nonissue. What is an actual issue is if the design is actually fun/interesting. Unit interactions are important. It might be "balanced" but that doesn't matter if people think it is not enjoyable. We talked about csgo for example, what is so nice about coutnerstrike? A big + is that the economy + round structure functions in a way that there is minimal snowballing. So there are lots and lots of ways to come back into a game if you are the better team at that day. Lots of other things to talk about, but probably doesn't belong here. Serral is pretty good That's not much to add guys:people watch games they like playing and actually only a small part of gaming community loves RTS
this basically.
If we look at the player-viewer ratio sc2 is doing extremely well so the problem is not that sc2 is not interesting to watch.
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On June 20 2017 01:29 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2017 01:24 Fango wrote:On June 20 2017 01:20 Ej_ wrote:On June 20 2017 01:19 Fango wrote:On June 20 2017 01:14 Charoisaur wrote:On June 20 2017 01:13 Fango wrote:On June 20 2017 01:11 The_Red_Viper wrote:On June 20 2017 01:07 Charoisaur wrote:On June 20 2017 00:59 Diabolique wrote:
Can someone explain me, how can 100k people watch CSGO? What is interesting on watching it? Playing it is OK, but watching??? While watching SC2 is so nice and only 20k watch it? I understand it with CS GO. I don't understand it with LoL/DotA at all... It's all about building a fanbase which is in love with teams/players. Even if the game gets worse/boring, a lot of people will still watch. Sc2 was always kinda bad at that (creating a following behind players) You say that but I'm watching cs because its legit more interesting than the sc2 right now. And there's much less hassle with imbalanced races making it almost all skill dependant. imbalance only exists in the minds of salty players who want something to blame Yh yh BL/infestor, blink allins, hellbat pushes, reaper rushes, adept allins. These things where all balanced. Blizzard nerfing and buffing things makes no change cuz everything is always balanced im sure all of these have been the things keeping you from winning games below 6k mmr I never said they effected me personally. We're talking esports. They effected most pro matches at their imbalance peak And btw the race switching thing if you think something is good. I switched from T to P when LoTV came out because I thought adapts were broken lol even at the pro level balance is overrated. Every time someone wins with adepts people say imba imba but the statistics say that the matchup is fine. In the end the better player wins most of the time. The only times when balance was a serious problem was early wol terran, BL/Infestor and Blink era.
I don't know man, I've read some stuff on reddit that seriously contradicts what you're saying here.
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On June 20 2017 01:37 argonautdice wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2017 01:34 Charoisaur wrote:
Serral is looking so strong right now. I'd like to see how he does against top koreans He beat TRUE, Zest, and Patience at IEM and lost to Dark
that was a while ago and he wasn't that good (as good as he's now) back then
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On June 20 2017 01:35 raff100 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2017 01:34 The_Red_Viper wrote:On June 20 2017 01:29 Charoisaur wrote:On June 20 2017 01:24 Fango wrote:On June 20 2017 01:20 Ej_ wrote:On June 20 2017 01:19 Fango wrote:On June 20 2017 01:14 Charoisaur wrote:On June 20 2017 01:13 Fango wrote:On June 20 2017 01:11 The_Red_Viper wrote:On June 20 2017 01:07 Charoisaur wrote:
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I understand it with CS GO.
I don't understand it with LoL/DotA
at all... It's all about building a fanbase which is in love with teams/players. Even if the game gets worse/boring, a lot of people will still watch. Sc2 was always kinda bad at that (creating a following behind players) You say that but I'm watching cs because its legit more interesting than the sc2 right now. And there's much less hassle with imbalanced races making it almost all skill dependant. imbalance only exists in the minds of salty players who want something to blame Yh yh BL/infestor, blink allins, hellbat pushes, reaper rushes, adept allins. These things where all balanced. Blizzard nerfing and buffing things makes no change cuz everything is always balanced im sure all of these have been the things keeping you from winning games below 6k mmr I never said they effected me personally. We're talking esports. They effected most pro matches at their imbalance peak And btw the race switching thing if you think something is good. I switched from T to P when LoTV came out because I thought adapts were broken lol even at the pro level balance is overrated. Every time someone wins with adepts people say imba imba but the statistics say that the matchup is fine. In the end the better player wins most of the time. The only times when balance was a serious problem was early wol terran, BL/Infestor and Blink era. Why keep people talking about "balance", you are right it is basically a nonissue. What is an actual issue is if the design is actually fun/interesting. Unit interactions are important. It might be "balanced" but that doesn't matter if people think it is not enjoyable. We talked about csgo for example, what is so nice about coutnerstrike? A big + is that the economy + round structure functions in a way that there is minimal snowballing. So there are lots and lots of ways to come back into a game if you are the better team at that day. Lots of other things to talk about, but probably doesn't belong here. Serral is pretty good That's not much to add guys:people watch games they like playing and actually only a small part of gaming community loves RTS
You are basically just talking about the effect, what's way more interesting is the cause. Why do people like to play/watch certain games. "because it is rts" doesn't tell us anything worthwhile.
Also sure, a huge playerbase obviously helps for esports, but even there you need to convert that to an actual viewerbase. Some games do way better, if we consider the small playerbase sc2 does very well in that regard for example.
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On June 20 2017 01:37 argonautdice wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2017 01:34 Charoisaur wrote:
Serral is looking so strong right now. I'd like to see how he does against top koreans He beat TRUE, Zest, and Patience at IEM and lost to Dark
And then he got out of high school.
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Kind of awesome to see that Serral breakout performance was during DH against Supernova and Jaedong and now he has a shot to qualify for Blizzon a few years later.
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Understandable that serral is shy and stuff, but that's the things i am talking about. It is hard to make people care for someone like that. This sounds harsh, but people said the same about koreans and it's almost the same in this case. (at least we can understand him directly, that's worth something)
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On June 20 2017 01:42 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Understandable that serral is shy and stuff, but that's the things i am talking about. It is hard to make people care for someone like that. This sounds harsh, but people said the same about koreans and it's almost the same in this case. (at least we can understand him directly, that's worth something)
its fine, us finlanders can appreciate his godlikeness))
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Kind of awesome to see that Serral breakout performance was during DH against Supernova and Jaedong and now he has a shot to qualify for Blizzon a few years later.
And he is still doing the same "burrow roaches to all of your bases" thing he did back then. My friend and I hyped to Serral to death while we watched those games, and we still do, the stage has just changed.
Also, I played closer series vs Serral in Finnish championship than Elazer played, that's my claim to fame
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On June 20 2017 01:39 Aeromi wrote:
Kind of awesome to see that Serral breakout performance was during DH against Supernova and Jaedong and now he has a shot to qualify for Blizzon a few years later.
What i never understood is how he has beaten Jaedong in ZvZ, basically went tit-for-tat against Supernova and then got 2-0d by ForGG.
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