I mean there are multiple things the scene would need. I am not saying X,Y or Z are the only thing important. Saying that players who are more entertaining on their own aren't a factor (at all?) is kinda naive though.
Ofc a bigger playerbase would help, but so would a lot of other things including players who are actually a bit more interesting when they open their mouth. faceless korean, faceless foreigner is real to some extent

Do other games have more interesting players?

The_Red_Viper

19533 Posts

June 19 2017 16:52 GMT

#745

On June 20 2017 01:48 Aeromi wrote:

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Stephano was so shy in 2010-2011 during interviews.

Well i don't even know if you are serious (just assume this is true). I am not saying that bigger personalities cannot develop still, but it's worth pointing out that player personalities are a big factor, not just gameplay, playerbase, etc.

temporary1

69 Posts

June 19 2017 16:53 GMT

#746

On June 20 2017 01:29 Charoisaur wrote:
even at the pro level balance is overrated. Every time someone wins with adepts people say imba imba but the statistics say that the matchup is fine. In the end the better player wins most of the time. The only times when balance was a serious problem was early wol terran, BL/Infestor and Blink era.

"Blink-era" was some 3-6 months and pretty much the only time when protoss has been up in winrates for a significant time period. And even then, almost every protoss win was done by the champion-level protosses who for a big part are still the protosses that manage to go far in tournaments (and even win em). In western scene, blink-period didn't even have that much significance (did any western protoss win anything with blink during that period?) That's not to say that blink-dominated period was fine, though.

What is going on with zerg now and was with bl/infestor is that everyone and their mother who play zerg seems to go far at some tournaments. If these 10 zergs hadn't gone into ro16, there was still TLO, TRUE, Lambo, iAsonu, Sen, Toodming, JonSnow and Zansters who went out at ro32, and nobody would have batted an eye if they had been ones in ro16. Meanwhile, every protoss except Dns who reached even ro32 are or have been championship-caliber players who have been around for a long time.

So, I think it is not insignificant that this horde of zergs populate player lists while players like Harstem and Showtime can't make it into ro32.

Musicus

Germany23579 Posts

June 19 2017 16:53 GMT

#747

On June 20 2017 01:48 Waxangel wrote:
important poll guys https://twitter.com/SaintSnorlax/status/876844042969116672

Gotta wait until after Serral wins to see how happy he is. Bur rigth now he is a strong contender for first plance.

Charoisaur

Germany16084 Posts

June 19 2017 16:55 GMT

#748

On June 20 2017 01:53 temporary1 wrote:

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"Blink-era" was some 3-6 months and pretty much the only time when protoss has been up in winrates for a significant time period. And even then, almost every protoss win was done by the champion-level protosses who for a big part are still the protosses that manage to go far in tournaments (and even win em). In western scene, blink-period didn't even have that much significance (did any western protoss win anything with blink during that period?) That's not to say that blink-dominated period was fine, though.

What is going on with zerg now and was with bl/infestor is that everyone and their mother who play zerg seems to go far at some tournaments. If these 10 zergs hadn't gone that into ro16, there was still TLO, TRUE, Lambo, iAsonu, Sen, Toodming, JonSnow and Zansters who went out at ro32, and nobody would have batted an eye if they had been ones in ro16. Meanwhile, every protoss except Dns who reached even ro32 are of have been championship-caliber players who have been around for a long time.

So, I think it is not insignificant that this horde of zergs populate player lists while players like Harstem and Showtime can't make it into ro32.

come on. foreigner tournament results have 0 to do with balance just like master league population has nothing to do with balance.
Balance is only relevant at the highest level aka in korea.

The_Red_Viper

19533 Posts

June 19 2017 16:55 GMT

#749

On June 20 2017 01:52 Charoisaur wrote:

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Do other games have more interesting players?

I would say yes, also just more effort put into additional content like video vlogs and stuff like that. Thing EG did back in the day. (also in other games when people stream it is easier to talk to chat, etc. That matters as well i think)
Again, simply saying this is part of the whole and it matters. Ofc there are lots of issues.