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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55566 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-14 10:24:28
December 14 2016 10:22 GMT
#641
On December 14 2016 19:17 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2016 19:13 Elentos wrote:
On December 14 2016 19:10 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
MARU WON?!

TvT, back to having the best comeback potential.

Maru was never really behind because he always kept his huge tank lead. All ByuN could do was run away from his army and lose units on the retreat. Guess now that the tankivac's gone Maru's back to top 1 TvT

Maru was already best tvter with tankivacs. didn't he have almost a 100% winrate in tvt? before the loss vs TY ofc

The thing is that outside of Proleague which is BO1 he only had very few longer series against good players. And in the biggest match he lost. He was not the best TvTer right before the patch came out, let's just say that.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55566 Posts
December 14 2016 10:24 GMT
#642
On December 14 2016 19:22 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2016 19:19 Elentos wrote:
On December 14 2016 19:17 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On December 14 2016 19:14 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On December 14 2016 19:13 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On December 14 2016 19:08 Incognoto wrote:
the mechanic of using the liberator to force an unsiege is very interesting

Disagree heavily, due to the liberator range it seems very stupid to me


In practice it's pretty fair though.

Right now, i wonder if players didn't figure it out yet though. Air advantage with some libs seems broken to me in theory

I've seen Maru and TY do it. The problem is often that you can sacrifice a few marines to clear out a liberator. If you're behind on air on even armies you have more marines anyway.

Maybe, i feel like you could "easily" position your army to deny that though considering the range of libs

The range of liberators is really low before you get the upgrade but you can only afford that really late into the game.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16033 Posts
December 14 2016 10:24 GMT
#643
On December 14 2016 19:22 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2016 19:17 Charoisaur wrote:
On December 14 2016 19:13 Elentos wrote:
On December 14 2016 19:10 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
MARU WON?!

TvT, back to having the best comeback potential.

Maru was never really behind because he always kept his huge tank lead. All ByuN could do was run away from his army and lose units on the retreat. Guess now that the tankivac's gone Maru's back to top 1 TvT

Maru was already best tvter with tankivacs. didn't he have almost a 100% winrate in tvt? before the loss vs TY ofc

The thing is that outside of Proleague which is BO1 he only had very few longer series against good players. And in the biggest match he lost. He was not the best TvTer before the patch came out, let's just say that.

yeah Byun was probably #1 above Maru and TY.
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
DJHelium
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden13480 Posts
December 14 2016 10:24 GMT
#644
well thats it
#1 player in the world atm: J-god | Follow me on twitter! @DJHelium
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
December 14 2016 10:24 GMT
#645
That might even be game already against ByuL
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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55566 Posts
December 14 2016 10:24 GMT
#646
And RIP JJAKJI
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16033 Posts
December 14 2016 10:27 GMT
#647
why the hell did jjakji not veto whirlwind? that's by far the worst tvz map.
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
December 14 2016 10:28 GMT
#648
On December 14 2016 19:24 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2016 19:22 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On December 14 2016 19:19 Elentos wrote:
On December 14 2016 19:17 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On December 14 2016 19:14 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On December 14 2016 19:13 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On December 14 2016 19:08 Incognoto wrote:
the mechanic of using the liberator to force an unsiege is very interesting

Disagree heavily, due to the liberator range it seems very stupid to me


In practice it's pretty fair though.

Right now, i wonder if players didn't figure it out yet though. Air advantage with some libs seems broken to me in theory

I've seen Maru and TY do it. The problem is often that you can sacrifice a few marines to clear out a liberator. If you're behind on air on even armies you have more marines anyway.

Maybe, i feel like you could "easily" position your army to deny that though considering the range of libs

The range of liberators is really low before you get the upgrade but you can only afford that really late into the game.

However, given the casting range, the actual maximum distance a Liberator can reach is theoretically 10 without the upgrade, and 14 with the upgrade


Seems good to me tbh
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55566 Posts
December 14 2016 10:29 GMT
#649
Thors are good by the way people who play against L/B/M
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
December 14 2016 10:30 GMT
#650
On December 14 2016 19:29 Elentos wrote:
Thors are good by the way people who play against L/B/M

The only real way i can win against zerg atm is 3 rax reaper I have like 40% winrate
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
December 14 2016 10:31 GMT
#651
ByuL better beat Classic this time -. -

last series should've been a 2-0
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DJHelium
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden13480 Posts
December 14 2016 10:31 GMT
#652
well, time to cheer for ByuN and Maru then!
#1 player in the world atm: J-god | Follow me on twitter! @DJHelium
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55566 Posts
December 14 2016 10:31 GMT
#653
On December 14 2016 19:30 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2016 19:29 Elentos wrote:
Thors are good by the way people who play against L/B/M

The only real way i can win against zerg atm is 3 rax reaper I have like 40% winrate

3-rax is the only thing that's 100% a loss when I do it
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16033 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-14 10:32:06
December 14 2016 10:31 GMT
#654
On December 14 2016 19:30 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2016 19:29 Elentos wrote:
Thors are good by the way people who play against L/B/M

The only real way i can win against zerg atm is 3 rax reaper I have like 40% winrate

I have 70% winrate against zerg but 40 in the other 2 matchups
On December 14 2016 19:31 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2016 19:30 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On December 14 2016 19:29 Elentos wrote:
Thors are good by the way people who play against L/B/M

The only real way i can win against zerg atm is 3 rax reaper I have like 40% winrate

3-rax is the only thing that's 100% a loss when I do it

same for me..
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55566 Posts
December 14 2016 10:32 GMT
#655
On December 14 2016 19:28 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2016 19:24 Elentos wrote:
On December 14 2016 19:22 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On December 14 2016 19:19 Elentos wrote:
On December 14 2016 19:17 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On December 14 2016 19:14 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On December 14 2016 19:13 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On December 14 2016 19:08 Incognoto wrote:
the mechanic of using the liberator to force an unsiege is very interesting

Disagree heavily, due to the liberator range it seems very stupid to me


In practice it's pretty fair though.

Right now, i wonder if players didn't figure it out yet though. Air advantage with some libs seems broken to me in theory

I've seen Maru and TY do it. The problem is often that you can sacrifice a few marines to clear out a liberator. If you're behind on air on even armies you have more marines anyway.

Maybe, i feel like you could "easily" position your army to deny that though considering the range of libs

The range of liberators is really low before you get the upgrade but you can only afford that really late into the game.

Show nested quote +
However, given the casting range, the actual maximum distance a Liberator can reach is theoretically 10 without the upgrade, and 14 with the upgrade


Seems good to me tbh

Half of that is the radius of the circle, in reality the liberator is way closer.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55566 Posts
December 14 2016 10:33 GMT
#656
On December 14 2016 19:31 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2016 19:30 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On December 14 2016 19:29 Elentos wrote:
Thors are good by the way people who play against L/B/M

The only real way i can win against zerg atm is 3 rax reaper I have like 40% winrate

I have 70% winrate against zerg but 40 in the other 2 matchups
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2016 19:31 Elentos wrote:
On December 14 2016 19:30 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On December 14 2016 19:29 Elentos wrote:
Thors are good by the way people who play against L/B/M

The only real way i can win against zerg atm is 3 rax reaper I have like 40% winrate

3-rax is the only thing that's 100% a loss when I do it

same for me..

I'm at like 60% for TvZ, 55% for TvT and 45% for TvP
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
December 14 2016 10:34 GMT
#657
iA looking good
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
December 14 2016 10:34 GMT
#658
IA is looking sharp against Solar. Decent lead
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The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-14 10:35:43
December 14 2016 10:34 GMT
#659
On December 14 2016 19:31 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2016 19:30 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On December 14 2016 19:29 Elentos wrote:
Thors are good by the way people who play against L/B/M

The only real way i can win against zerg atm is 3 rax reaper I have like 40% winrate

3-rax is the only thing that's 100% a loss when I do it

Well not that i win with the reapers, but usually i can transition and the zerg builds way too much defense


On December 14 2016 19:31 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2016 19:30 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On December 14 2016 19:29 Elentos wrote:
Thors are good by the way people who play against L/B/M

The only real way i can win against zerg atm is 3 rax reaper I have like 40% winrate

I have 70% winrate against zerg but 40 in the other 2 matchups
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2016 19:31 Elentos wrote:
On December 14 2016 19:30 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On December 14 2016 19:29 Elentos wrote:
Thors are good by the way people who play against L/B/M

The only real way i can win against zerg atm is 3 rax reaper I have like 40% winrate

3-rax is the only thing that's 100% a loss when I do it

same for me..


On December 14 2016 19:33 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2016 19:31 Charoisaur wrote:
On December 14 2016 19:30 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On December 14 2016 19:29 Elentos wrote:
Thors are good by the way people who play against L/B/M

The only real way i can win against zerg atm is 3 rax reaper I have like 40% winrate

I have 70% winrate against zerg but 40 in the other 2 matchups
On December 14 2016 19:31 Elentos wrote:
On December 14 2016 19:30 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On December 14 2016 19:29 Elentos wrote:
Thors are good by the way people who play against L/B/M

The only real way i can win against zerg atm is 3 rax reaper I have like 40% winrate

3-rax is the only thing that's 100% a loss when I do it

same for me..

I'm at like 60% for TvZ, 55% for TvT and 45% for TvP



I am at like 40% tvz, 55% tvp and 70% tvt
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
December 14 2016 10:35 GMT
#660
Actually...I think Solar is dead >_>
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