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Ansibled
Profile Joined November 2014
United Kingdom9872 Posts
October 28 2016 16:42 GMT
#381
On October 29 2016 01:41 ionONE wrote:
Why didn't they straight up told "hey the korean scene has huge problems and thats also a reason why the gap is closing" ... really wish we had a Thooorin guy on the desk.

I'm personally glad for the lack of Thorin.
'StarCraft is just a fairy tale told to scare children actually.'
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Probe1
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States17920 Posts
October 28 2016 16:43 GMT
#382
On October 29 2016 01:41 ionONE wrote:
Why didn't they straight up told "hey the korean scene has huge problems and thats also a reason why the gap is closing" ... really wish we had a Thooorin guy on the desk.

If I had to guess, because that'd be pretty negative and kill the mood.
우정호 KT_VIOLET 1988 - 2012 While we are postponing, life speeds by
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55555 Posts
October 28 2016 16:43 GMT
#383
On October 29 2016 01:41 [PkF] Wire wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 29 2016 01:38 Poopi wrote:
On October 29 2016 01:34 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
I think the confidence that the best foreign players have now is also a big part of them beating koreans more often. How many times in WoL and HotS have we seen potential upsets get thrown because players went 'full foreigner' as they got nervous when ahead in a game vs a good korean player.

Stephano was so good because he didn't give a fuck about his opponent

I still think that foreign players will have a very hard time against korean terrans, and that if the game were to be well designed, they would stand no chance ever.
But yeah nowadays with the sponsors dropping and stuff koreans are at an all time low so it's almost easy to beat them, especially in matchups such as PvP.

This further enhances the point that WoL beginning was the most competitive Korean era. Kespa era wasn't as tough.

koreans kept training together while they were steadily declining and the infrastructures disappearing, so they ended up all getting worse except for some lone wolves like ByuN and the most gifted like Dark.

Same thing happened in chess honestly when soviet chess collapsed. Who would have thought that chess would nowadays be dominated by a norwegian, a french, an italian and an american ?

It's not like they had a choice this year when it came to training together. And it's not like the Koreigners did any better.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
October 28 2016 16:43 GMT
#384
we need 2gd at the desk to make it awkward
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[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24233 Posts
October 28 2016 16:43 GMT
#385
On October 29 2016 01:42 Poopi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 29 2016 01:41 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On October 29 2016 01:38 Poopi wrote:
On October 29 2016 01:34 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
I think the confidence that the best foreign players have now is also a big part of them beating koreans more often. How many times in WoL and HotS have we seen potential upsets get thrown because players went 'full foreigner' as they got nervous when ahead in a game vs a good korean player.

Stephano was so good because he didn't give a fuck about his opponent

I still think that foreign players will have a very hard time against korean terrans, and that if the game were to be well designed, they would stand no chance ever.
But yeah nowadays with the sponsors dropping and stuff koreans are at an all time low so it's almost easy to beat them, especially in matchups such as PvP.

This further enhances the point that WoL beginning was the most competitive Korean era. Kespa era wasn't as tough.

koreans kept training together while they were steadily declining and the infrastructures disappearing, so they ended up all getting worse except for some lone wolves like ByuN and the most gifted like Dark.

Same thing happened in chess honestly when soviet chess collapsed. Who would have thought that chess would nowadays be dominated by a norwegian, a french, an italian and an american ?

Isn't chess dominated by bots?

true but competitive chess is still played and russian players just don't dominate like they used to. Yeah there is Karjakin, but his run to the championship finals was quite strange and I don't think he'll do too well vs Carlsen.
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-28 16:45:41
October 28 2016 16:44 GMT
#386
On October 29 2016 01:40 ArtyK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 29 2016 01:39 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On October 29 2016 01:37 Jett.Jack.Alvir wrote:
Yeah I don't even know what the deal between JJR and inControl, all I know is the last thread in the other thread (Day 1 of playoffs)


They had previous beef in this thread: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/515164-blizzcon-talent-line-up-announced


Oh so jjr is kinda like hider? Got it...


They're pretty different. Hider is mostly just salty, and whines a lot about balance, David Kim, WCS, David Kim, casters, David Kim etc. Whereas JJR is mostly positive in a weird i-know-better kinda way.
Makro
Profile Joined March 2011
France16890 Posts
October 28 2016 16:44 GMT
#387
On October 29 2016 01:42 Poopi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 29 2016 01:41 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On October 29 2016 01:38 Poopi wrote:
On October 29 2016 01:34 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
I think the confidence that the best foreign players have now is also a big part of them beating koreans more often. How many times in WoL and HotS have we seen potential upsets get thrown because players went 'full foreigner' as they got nervous when ahead in a game vs a good korean player.

Stephano was so good because he didn't give a fuck about his opponent

I still think that foreign players will have a very hard time against korean terrans, and that if the game were to be well designed, they would stand no chance ever.
But yeah nowadays with the sponsors dropping and stuff koreans are at an all time low so it's almost easy to beat them, especially in matchups such as PvP.

This further enhances the point that WoL beginning was the most competitive Korean era. Kespa era wasn't as tough.

koreans kept training together while they were steadily declining and the infrastructures disappearing, so they ended up all getting worse except for some lone wolves like ByuN and the most gifted like Dark.

Same thing happened in chess honestly when soviet chess collapsed. Who would have thought that chess would nowadays be dominated by a norwegian, a french, an italian and an american ?

Isn't chess dominated by bots?

everything is dominated by bots
Matthew 5:10 "Blessed are those who are persecuted because of shitposting, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven".
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royalroadweed
Profile Joined April 2013
United States8301 Posts
October 28 2016 16:44 GMT
#388
Water best coach.
"Nerfing Toss can just make them stronger"
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24233 Posts
October 28 2016 16:44 GMT
#389
On October 29 2016 01:43 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 29 2016 01:41 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On October 29 2016 01:38 Poopi wrote:
On October 29 2016 01:34 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
I think the confidence that the best foreign players have now is also a big part of them beating koreans more often. How many times in WoL and HotS have we seen potential upsets get thrown because players went 'full foreigner' as they got nervous when ahead in a game vs a good korean player.

Stephano was so good because he didn't give a fuck about his opponent

I still think that foreign players will have a very hard time against korean terrans, and that if the game were to be well designed, they would stand no chance ever.
But yeah nowadays with the sponsors dropping and stuff koreans are at an all time low so it's almost easy to beat them, especially in matchups such as PvP.

This further enhances the point that WoL beginning was the most competitive Korean era. Kespa era wasn't as tough.

koreans kept training together while they were steadily declining and the infrastructures disappearing, so they ended up all getting worse except for some lone wolves like ByuN and the most gifted like Dark.

Same thing happened in chess honestly when soviet chess collapsed. Who would have thought that chess would nowadays be dominated by a norwegian, a french, an italian and an american ?

It's not like they had a choice this year when it came to training together. And it's not like the Koreigners did any better.

not saying they had a choice. But there are a lot of reasons why the skill gap is now really narrow.
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12904 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-28 16:45:49
October 28 2016 16:45 GMT
#390
On October 29 2016 01:42 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 29 2016 01:41 ionONE wrote:
Why didn't they straight up told "hey the korean scene has huge problems and thats also a reason why the gap is closing" ... really wish we had a Thooorin guy on the desk.

gotta be positive at blizzcon

Are they really saying things such as gap closing? Damn thankfully I'm not watching that, so cringe :x.
Hopefully TY and ByuN will show us that the gap won't ever close as long as such players still have interest in the game, just meta/balance variance allowing inferior players to look remotely competent.
WriterMaru
Jett.Jack.Alvir
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Canada2250 Posts
October 28 2016 16:45 GMT
#391
On October 29 2016 01:44 Makro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 29 2016 01:42 Poopi wrote:
On October 29 2016 01:41 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On October 29 2016 01:38 Poopi wrote:
On October 29 2016 01:34 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
I think the confidence that the best foreign players have now is also a big part of them beating koreans more often. How many times in WoL and HotS have we seen potential upsets get thrown because players went 'full foreigner' as they got nervous when ahead in a game vs a good korean player.

Stephano was so good because he didn't give a fuck about his opponent

I still think that foreign players will have a very hard time against korean terrans, and that if the game were to be well designed, they would stand no chance ever.
But yeah nowadays with the sponsors dropping and stuff koreans are at an all time low so it's almost easy to beat them, especially in matchups such as PvP.

This further enhances the point that WoL beginning was the most competitive Korean era. Kespa era wasn't as tough.

koreans kept training together while they were steadily declining and the infrastructures disappearing, so they ended up all getting worse except for some lone wolves like ByuN and the most gifted like Dark.

Same thing happened in chess honestly when soviet chess collapsed. Who would have thought that chess would nowadays be dominated by a norwegian, a french, an italian and an american ?

Isn't chess dominated by bots?

everything is dominated by bots

I can't wait until prostitution is being dominated by bots... Bladerunner gave me some fucked up imagination...
ArtyK
Profile Joined June 2011
France3143 Posts
October 28 2016 16:45 GMT
#392
On October 29 2016 01:44 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 29 2016 01:40 ArtyK wrote:
On October 29 2016 01:39 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On October 29 2016 01:37 Jett.Jack.Alvir wrote:
Yeah I don't even know what the deal between JJR and inControl, all I know is the last thread in the other thread (Day 1 of playoffs)


They had previous beef in this thread: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/515164-blizzcon-talent-line-up-announced


Oh so jjr is kinda like hider? Got it...


They're pretty different. Hider is mostly just salty, and whines a lot about balance, David Kim, WCS, David Kim, casters, David Kim etc. Whereas JJR is mostly positive in a weird i-know-better way?


oh so JJR sounds like me :D
Sup dood ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ KiWiKaKi | SLush | uThermal | PtitDrogo | SortOf | Clem ~ "I told my mom she should vote for me in Nation Wars, she said 'I dunno, I kinda want Finland to win'" – Luolis ~ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_NScWV9h8k#t=1h01m
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[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24233 Posts
October 28 2016 16:45 GMT
#393
ok ByuN show us that you're well prepared and ready to dominate this Blizzcon.
Jett.Jack.Alvir
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Canada2250 Posts
October 28 2016 16:45 GMT
#394
On October 29 2016 01:44 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 29 2016 01:40 ArtyK wrote:
On October 29 2016 01:39 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On October 29 2016 01:37 Jett.Jack.Alvir wrote:
Yeah I don't even know what the deal between JJR and inControl, all I know is the last thread in the other thread (Day 1 of playoffs)


They had previous beef in this thread: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/515164-blizzcon-talent-line-up-announced


Oh so jjr is kinda like hider? Got it...


They're pretty different. Hider is mostly just salty, and whines a lot about balance, David Kim, WCS, David Kim, casters, David Kim etc. Whereas JJR is mostly positive in a weird i-know-better kinda way.

Very good desrciption of JJR lol.
GumBa
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United Kingdom31935 Posts
October 28 2016 16:46 GMT
#395
ByuN
To all the haters: you deserve to witness many, many more Serral victories, worthy of the godlike player he is.
GumBa
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United Kingdom31935 Posts
October 28 2016 16:46 GMT
#396
Shut the fuck up apollo
To all the haters: you deserve to witness many, many more Serral victories, worthy of the godlike player he is.
ArtyK
Profile Joined June 2011
France3143 Posts
October 28 2016 16:47 GMT
#397
So hyped for ByuN!
Sup dood ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ KiWiKaKi | SLush | uThermal | PtitDrogo | SortOf | Clem ~ "I told my mom she should vote for me in Nation Wars, she said 'I dunno, I kinda want Finland to win'" – Luolis ~ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_NScWV9h8k#t=1h01m
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
October 28 2016 16:47 GMT
#398
'They had all the coaches and players like Maru in the booth and I just sat there drinking water alone'
Neosteel Enthusiast
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24233 Posts
October 28 2016 16:47 GMT
#399
On October 29 2016 01:47 ArtyK wrote:
So hyped for ByuN!

I think everyone is
Schelim
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Austria11528 Posts
October 28 2016 16:47 GMT
#400
On October 29 2016 01:46 GumBa wrote:
Shut the fuck up apollo

lol what did he say? wasn't paying attention
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