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Charlie Sheens House51458 Posts
 WCS Korea Serason 2http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2016_WCS_Korea_Season_2_Cross_Finals Casters & Streams![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/images/usericons/348366.png) AfreecaTV Korea | AfreecaTV Global |  TwitchTV | AfreecaTV Russia |  O'Gaming TVCasters: Tasteless | Artosis ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/2EGwEAn.png) Match List![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/players/4729.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/players/4797.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/players/1101.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/players/951.jpg)  Dark Solar vs  sOs  ByuN ByuN vs Dark Solar vs sOsResults!VODSCSS: FO-nTTaX Awesomeness: Panda | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51458 Posts
Poll: Cross Finals Winner Byun (33) Dark (11) Solar (6) sOs (5) 55 total votes Your vote: Cross Finals Winner | ||
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Durnuu
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Diabolique
Czech Republic5118 Posts
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FrkFrJss
Canada1205 Posts
I'm really cheering for sOs here, because I feel like he should win something even if it doesn't change his chance of attending Blizzcon. | ||
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romson87
Poland487 Posts
On September 25 2016 03:11 Diabolique wrote: Sad cross finals, where the result is not important for anybody ... such a pity, sOs lost to Patience in the KeSPA qualifiers ... The result might not be important for any competitor in terms of WCS points but 17k $ is nothing to sneeze at  | ||
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Diabolique
Czech Republic5118 Posts
On September 25 2016 03:17 romson87 wrote: The result might not be important for any competitor in terms of WCS points but 17k $ is nothing to sneeze at I know ... I look forward to it ... I will be of course cheering for sOs ... but it could have been so much better if one of the players (sOs) had still the chance to improve his BlizzCon chances ... while now, 3 are qualified, one is not. | ||
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Alexcalibur1996
United States39 Posts
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Noonius
Estonia17413 Posts
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Elentos
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KtJ
United States3514 Posts
On September 25 2016 04:41 Elentos wrote: I'm pretty sure this one is hosted by SPOTV so it won't be on the GSL channels and I dunno about the casters. English Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRIK4y9wcw8 Starcraft website says Wolf and Valdez are casting. | ||
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brickrd
United States4894 Posts
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royalroadweed
United States8301 Posts
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Cricketer12
United States13969 Posts
Solar 3-1 sOs Dark 3-1 Solar | ||
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Die4Ever
United States17624 Posts
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CannonKingPrime
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Die4Ever
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ossavi09
Germany441 Posts
On September 25 2016 09:13 Die4Ever wrote: I'm surprised Byun+sOs is winning the poll for the archon match, I think the 2 zergs together have an advantage if they stick with zerg, but I don't think there's any money on that match so they might play offrace about 4,2k$ is on the line in that archon match, so it's 2.1k$ for each of the 2 winners which is basically as much as a GSL ro32 finish  | ||
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Die4Ever
United States17624 Posts
On September 25 2016 09:22 ossavi09 wrote: about 4,2k$ is on the line in that archon match, so it's 2.1k$ for each of the 2 winners which is basically as much as a GSL ro32 finish oh nice | ||
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The_Red_Viper
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On September 25 2016 09:22 ossavi09 wrote: about 4,2k$ is on the line in that archon match, so it's 2.1k$ for each of the 2 winners which is basically as much as a GSL ro32 finish They should use that money elsewhere tbh. I am not gonna lie this cross final thing is just a huge waste. Take the money from the two cross finals and you can do another bigger tournament like Kespa Cup. Not gonna complain too much right now though because i wanna watch some korean sc2 again, but still -.- | ||
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[PkF] Wire
France24192 Posts
On September 25 2016 09:24 The_Red_Viper wrote: They should use that money elsewhere tbh. I am not gonna lie this cross final thing is just a huge waste. Take the money from the two cross finals and you can do another bigger tournament like Kespa Cup. Not gonna complain too much right now though because i wanna watch some korean sc2 again, but still -.- I kinda agree. The two cross finals were rather unnecessary, another big tourney would indeed have been far more interesting. | ||
Nakajin
Canada8988 Posts
Dark to win it all. | ||
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Die4Ever
United States17624 Posts
On September 25 2016 09:24 The_Red_Viper wrote: They should use that money elsewhere tbh. I am not gonna lie this cross final thing is just a huge waste. Take the money from the two cross finals and you can do another bigger tournament like Kespa Cup. Not gonna complain too much right now though because i wanna watch some korean sc2 again, but still -.- yea I agree :/ should've just had another tournament like the kespa cup and seed the 8 players (s1+s2 finalists) into the ro32 | ||
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geokilla
Canada8224 Posts
On September 25 2016 04:41 Elentos wrote: I'm pretty sure this one is hosted by SPOTV so it won't be on the GSL channels and I dunno about the casters. English Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRIK4y9wcw8 Korea must have a lot of bandwidth, putting the stream up so early. | ||
Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
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Die4Ever
United States17624 Posts
On September 25 2016 11:12 Shellshock wrote: I feel like it's going to be the ZvZ final for some reason plz no | ||
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Blargh
United States2101 Posts
But Byun is #1, totally the favorite for this. | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On September 25 2016 11:40 Blargh wrote: I do not understand. People think Byun & sOs (two different races) will beat Solar & Dark (same race)??? But Byun is #1, totally the favorite for this. ByuN was Protoss once, so we still count him as one of us. | ||
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BretZ
United States1510 Posts
On September 25 2016 11:12 Shellshock wrote: I feel like it's going to be the ZvZ final for some reason dont curse me like that i need 1 am to come quicker i need some byun | ||
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Loccstana
United States833 Posts
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Xxio
Canada5565 Posts
Corruptor ling baneling do it do it | ||
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Phredxor
New Zealand15076 Posts
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Topin
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sc2chronic
United States777 Posts
On September 25 2016 11:40 Blargh wrote: I do not understand. People think Byun & sOs (two different races) will beat Solar & Dark (same race)??? But Byun is #1, totally the favorite for this. iirc they will play different races for the archon mode games anyway | ||
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zyce
United States649 Posts
Archon mode should be a lock for SoS/ByuN since ByuN used to be a Protoss, it'll probably work out well for them if they do. Just please no ZvZ finals... | ||
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Brutaxilos
United States2622 Posts
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CannonKingPrime
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Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
On September 25 2016 14:08 CannonKingPrime wrote: Solar with the mask, bad sign. he doesnt want to breathe the same air as these scrubs | ||
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Topin
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SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
On September 25 2016 14:08 CannonKingPrime wrote: Solar with the mask, bad sign. No one cared until he put on the mask.... | ||
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royalroadweed
United States8301 Posts
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Charoisaur
Germany15883 Posts
nvm i found it | ||
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Inflicted
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sc2chronic
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dat control | ||
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geokilla
Canada8224 Posts
On September 25 2016 14:24 Shellshock wrote: archon mode proves that zergs just need to git gud Zerg players need to learn how to micro more. | ||
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Thrillz
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SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
On September 25 2016 14:32 geokilla wrote: Zerg players need to learn how to micro more. if they're zerg they should just evolve 4 hands i blame abathur | ||
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Seeker
Where dat snitch at?36990 Posts
On September 25 2016 14:54 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Protoss: So easy even zergs can do it lol, Team SSL too strong... | ||
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geokilla
Canada8224 Posts
On September 25 2016 14:54 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Protoss: So easy even zergs can do it Team GSL played pretty poorly. Looked like my Diamond league games. | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On September 25 2016 14:56 geokilla wrote: Team GSL played pretty poorly. Looked like my Diamond league games. Yeah their micro was pretty good, but they didn't build any drones, and never teched... | ||
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Noonius
Estonia17413 Posts
On September 25 2016 14:56 geokilla wrote: Team GSL played pretty poorly. Looked like my Diamond league games. JA toss is cramping ByuN's style. ByuN needs to go full MC and ditch HuK | ||
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Wrathsc2
United States2025 Posts
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SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
On September 25 2016 14:56 geokilla wrote: Team GSL played pretty poorly. Looked like my Diamond league games. Nah Im diamond league and there was way too much micro. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
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Die4Ever
United States17624 Posts
On September 25 2016 14:54 yoshi245 wrote: I really wish Proleague had Archon matches. Such a wasted opportunity. I think I actually prefer regular 2v2, but that never happens with pros anymore | ||
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chipmonklord17
United States11944 Posts
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On September 25 2016 15:03 chipmonklord17 wrote: Wait neosteel frames is still an upgrade? Yeah. And it's used just as often as it was used in WoL. | ||
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Noonius
Estonia17413 Posts
On September 25 2016 15:03 chipmonklord17 wrote: Wait neosteel frames is still an upgrade? the bunker build time change really screwed that upgrade | ||
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Noonius
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chipmonklord17
United States11944 Posts
On September 25 2016 15:04 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Yeah. And it's used just as often as it was used in WoL. Hey there was that ONE push that ONE time that used it. I just remember nothing else about it | ||
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SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
On September 25 2016 15:04 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Yeah. And it's used just as often as it was used in WoL. Has it ever actually been used? I honestly don't recall | ||
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coL.hendralisk
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On September 25 2016 15:06 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Has it ever actually been used? I honestly don't recall Some terrans went for it in the really really late game after researching everything else. There were some bad cheeses involving it. At WCS Montreal Kelazhur went for it in the late game, but as he didn't have any bunkers, and he didn't load SCVs into his PF idk why he researched it. | ||
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chipmonklord17
United States11944 Posts
On September 25 2016 15:06 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Has it ever actually been used? I honestly don't recall I'm 99% sure it was used in a major tournament once | ||
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Inflicted
Australia18228 Posts
On September 25 2016 15:06 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Has it ever actually been used? I honestly don't recall jjakji tried it once | ||
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Topin
Peru10045 Posts
On September 25 2016 15:07 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Some terrans went for it in the really really late game after researching everything else. There were some bad cheeses involving it. Recently I saw some foreign terran go for it, but as he didn't have any bunkers, and he didn't load SCVs into his PF idk why he researched it. instead of giving 2 more space for marines maybe it should make a bunker do full damage with 2 marines and move it to mid/late game... or try something else | ||
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seemsgood
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chipmonklord17
United States11944 Posts
Was it Jjakji? I was thinking it was alive but jjakji fits the same 'obscure terran' area in my brain. For some reason I want to say it was a GSL match against a protoss but I'm not sure | ||
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sc2chronic
United States777 Posts
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seemsgood
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On September 25 2016 15:10 Topin wrote: instead of giving 2 more space for marines maybe it should make a bunker do full damage with 2 marines and move it to mid/late game... or try something else Unused upgrades aren't really a problem needing to be solved though. Apial sensors never harmed BW, and Neosteel Frames and Caduceus Reactor don't harm SCII. | ||
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Durnuu
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yoshi245
United States2969 Posts
On September 25 2016 15:12 seemsgood wrote: sOs had his revenge by sabotage byun. Ha, yup. | ||
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Seeker
Where dat snitch at?36990 Posts
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Noonius
Estonia17413 Posts
On September 25 2016 15:11 sc2chronic wrote: damn dark and solar raped them KR zergs are such garbage | ||
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Noonius
Estonia17413 Posts
On September 25 2016 15:12 Durnuu wrote: Hoping for that ZvZ finals now jesus christ! just, just go far far away. This is like wanting to watch Lindsay Lohan act | ||
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PepsiMaxxxx
Sweden5452 Posts
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BisuDagger
Bisutopia19214 Posts
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jalstar
United States8198 Posts
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On September 25 2016 15:16 BisuDagger wrote: This series definitely shows the advantage of having two players who play the same race on archon mode. Zerg is most likely the strongest race in archon mode though, so I'd still favour double zerg over double terran. | ||
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Noonius
Estonia17413 Posts
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Durnuu
13319 Posts
On September 25 2016 15:19 Noonius wrote: I have no idea about the wcs standings, any one of them has any stake in regards of going to blizzcon? Nope, sOs is out, all the others are in 100% (they all won a GSL/SSL) | ||
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chipmonklord17
United States11944 Posts
On September 25 2016 15:19 Noonius wrote: I have no idea about the wcs standings, any one of them has any stake in regards of going to blizzcon? sOs can't go to blizzcon, the rest are definitely going. Pretty sure Dark has a fuck ton of points and that this is as meaningless for him as it is sOs. I think the other two could change seeds depending on this and the kespa cup | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On September 25 2016 15:19 Noonius wrote: I have no idea about the wcs standings, any one of them has any stake in regards of going to blizzcon? Nothing. Dark Solar ByuN are in, and sOs is out no matter what. | ||
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Diabolique
Czech Republic5118 Posts
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Noonius
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Durnuu
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Hurricane is proud | ||
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New Zealand4492 Posts
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Charoisaur
Germany15883 Posts
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Nezgar
Germany534 Posts
On September 25 2016 15:51 True_Spike wrote: Is the sound on Afreeca stream out of sync? It is for me... and for some reason, the twitch stream is not working | ||
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Topin
Peru10045 Posts
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Xxio
Canada5565 Posts
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Diabolique
Czech Republic5118 Posts
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Phredxor
New Zealand15076 Posts
On September 25 2016 15:51 True_Spike wrote: Is the sound on Afreeca stream out of sync? Sure is | ||
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Socke
Germany451 Posts
On September 25 2016 15:52 Charoisaur wrote: classic beat rogue already with this build in gsl sos beat dark already with this build in gsl on this map, very new, never seen before ) | ||
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True_Spike
Poland3415 Posts
On September 25 2016 15:52 Nezgar wrote: It is for me... and for some reason, the twitch stream is not working It works for me, but I can't set it to a quality higher than medium. | ||
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New Zealand15076 Posts
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Waxangel
United States33228 Posts
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Austria4570 Posts
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Phredxor
New Zealand15076 Posts
On September 25 2016 16:00 Noonius wrote: what bullshit builds, no way sOs is taking this seriously He's hiding his real builds for Blizzcon. | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On September 25 2016 16:01 Charoisaur wrote: hydras are actually awful against carriers Yeah. Queens (and later infestors) are way better. | ||
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SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
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Inflicted
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GuiltyJerk
United States584 Posts
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Seeker
Where dat snitch at?36990 Posts
On September 25 2016 16:05 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Carriers: Useless from 2010-now sOs fucked up hard by letting his 3rd die too quickly. Had he just defended his 3rd properly, he would have put up a much better fight. | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On September 25 2016 16:05 Inflicted wrote: Does Guardian Shield affect interceptors? Yes, if they stay within its range which they usually don't. | ||
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Die4Ever
United States17624 Posts
On September 25 2016 16:06 GuiltyJerk wrote: I don't get why interceptors cost money... Broodlings don't, carrier builds might actually be useful if interceptors didn't cost as much as a zergling honestly it seems hard to balance carriers, I don't blame blizzard for not buffing them imagine if they were even slightly too strong, it'd be so annoying and boring, to play with/against or even just spectate | ||
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hexhaven
Finland926 Posts
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Waxangel
United States33228 Posts
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RKC
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On September 25 2016 16:06 GuiltyJerk wrote: I don't get why interceptors cost money... Broodlings don't, carrier builds might actually be useful if interceptors didn't cost as much as a zergling That's a good point. Interceptors costing money made sense in BW. But not in SC2. Imagine disruptor shots costing money too (like BW reaver scarabs)! | ||
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Ciaus237
South Africa268 Posts
On September 25 2016 16:06 GuiltyJerk wrote: I don't get why interceptors cost money... Broodlings don't, carrier builds might actually be useful if interceptors didn't cost as much as a zergling Broodlings don't shoot up at range and do range-stacked DPS. Even if you exclude release interceptors it would be a bit insane. | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On September 25 2016 16:09 Waxangel wrote: Rain burning sOs "The build was poorly optimized, I think he made it up on the spot. Or maybe that's just his skill level :D" Poorly optimized? Making carriers is in itself sub-optimal. | ||
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SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
On September 25 2016 16:09 Waxangel wrote: Rain burning sOs "The build was poorly optimized, I think he made it up on the spot. Or maybe that's just his skill level :D" do korean progamers shitpost on their forums like some foreigners do? | ||
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GuiltyJerk
United States584 Posts
On September 25 2016 16:09 Ciaus237 wrote: Broodlings don't shoot up at range and do range-stacked DPS. Even if you exclude release interceptors it would be a bit insane. The broodling impact does damage in addition to the broodling nibbling on whatever it fights, I just hate that an end tier unit gets basically zero play outside of trick builds when people are dicking around (and of course 4v4 :D:D:D) | ||
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Phredxor
New Zealand15076 Posts
On September 25 2016 16:11 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: do korean progamers shitpost on their forums like some foreigners do? Rain probably said it while casting? | ||
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Charoisaur
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On September 25 2016 16:16 RKC wrote: Tempest being more viable than carriers in late game does suggest that carrier is underpowered (especially since the cost of interceptors is negligible at that stage). or that tempests are just fucking good | ||
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SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
On September 25 2016 16:17 RaFox17 wrote: Still laughing at how dumb the shade ability is. Basically no cool down. I hope for a small shade time nerf. The vision nerf is good too though | ||
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Elentos
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On September 25 2016 16:14 ZigguratOfUr wrote: What an awful build. Even if he wiped out half the mineral lines he'd still lose. This build loses to a roach warren. It wins against those people on ladder who can't split their army to save their life. | ||
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Elentos
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Rain is truly a next level innovator, he uplifted Korea from shitposting to shitcasting. | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On September 25 2016 16:27 Elentos wrote: Rain is truly a next level innovator, he uplifted Korea from shitposting to shitcasting. HuK became an Overwatch caster so foreign scene still wins. | ||
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RKC
2848 Posts
On September 25 2016 16:27 Elentos wrote: Rain is truly a next level innovator, he uplifted Korea from shitposting to shitcasting. Funny how entertaining Rain the caster seems to be as opposed to Rain the player. (Don't get me wrong, I love Rain the player, and often lament on how underrated and unloved he is, at least on TL) | ||
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Noonius
Estonia17413 Posts
T I L T | ||
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Elentos
55466 Posts
On September 25 2016 16:33 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Disappointing series. Are you actually surprised though? | ||
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RKC
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United Kingdom2212 Posts
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Elentos
55466 Posts
On September 25 2016 16:33 Seeker wrote: sOs is terrible... How did this guy win BlizzCon twice...? Seeker really? How did SKT win Proleague last year? How did INnoVation win 2 GSL? | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
Not by the result, but I was hoping for marginally well thought out builds. | ||
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United States777 Posts
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Phredxor
New Zealand15076 Posts
On September 25 2016 16:33 Seeker wrote: sOs is terrible... How did this guy win BlizzCon twice...? Blizzcon is just another weekender tournament. Taeja won like 50 of those. | ||
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Poland487 Posts
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Elentos
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On September 25 2016 16:37 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Not by the result, but I was hoping for marginally well thought out builds. Saving those for Homestory Cup, needs every advantage he can get against the foreigners. | ||
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Schelim
Austria11528 Posts
On September 25 2016 16:35 Edpayasugo wrote: Not sure why but none of the streams are working for me on my PC, although twitch is fine on Ipad, does anyone know how soon Dark is starting please? twitch isn't working on my PC either but the Afreeca Global stream is fine. i don't know when the match is starting, but right now the casters are talking (unfortunately). | ||
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Edpayasugo
United Kingdom2212 Posts
On September 25 2016 16:38 Schelim wrote: twitch isn't working on my PC either but the Afreeca Global stream is fine. i don't know when the match is starting, but right now the casters are talking (unfortunately). Thanks. | ||
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ilikeredheads
Canada1995 Posts
On September 25 2016 16:38 Schelim wrote: twitch isn't working on my PC either but the Afreeca Global stream is fine. i don't know when the match is starting, but right now the casters are talking (unfortunately). Watch Youtube one. It has HD but Twitch is locked to medium. | ||
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Seeker
Where dat snitch at?36990 Posts
On September 25 2016 16:35 Elentos wrote: Seeker really? How did SKT win Proleague last year? How did INnoVation win 2 GSL? Why are you going after me and SKT? | ||
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Durnuu
13319 Posts
He's just pointing out your logic makes no sense. People get into slumps, especially when transitioning from one expansion to another. The better question in sOs' case would be how the fuck he got to the GSL finals, he hasn't been playing that well in LotV imo | ||
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Elentos
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Because what you said is stupid. On September 25 2016 16:49 Durnuu wrote: The better question in sOs' case would be how the fuck he got to the GSL finals, he hasn't been playing that well in LotV imo Yes. He's looked nowhere near as good as during his best times in HotS even once this year. | ||
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Noonius
Estonia17413 Posts
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Schelim
Austria11528 Posts
On September 25 2016 16:45 ilikeredheads wrote: Watch Youtube one. It has HD but Twitch is locked to medium. where's the youtube stream? it's not in the OP | ||
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Inflicted
Australia18228 Posts
On September 25 2016 16:35 Elentos wrote: Seeker really? How did SKT win Proleague last year? How did INnoVation win 2 GSL? Got lucky meeting chokers in the final | ||
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Inflicted
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Elentos
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On September 25 2016 16:53 Inflicted wrote: Dark best Korean* ZvT And really, Korean Zergs haha. | ||
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Elentos
55466 Posts
On September 25 2016 16:50 Schelim wrote: where's the youtube stream? it's not in the OP https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRIK4y9wcw8 | ||
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Penev
28463 Posts
meh | ||
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RKC
2848 Posts
On September 25 2016 16:49 Durnuu wrote: He's just pointing out your logic makes no sense. People get into slumps, especially when transitioning from one expansion to another. The better question in sOs' case would be how the fuck he got to the GSL finals, he hasn't been playing that well in LotV imo GSL was horrible in Season 2. Never did sOs show dominating plays (and arguably, neither did Byun). SSL, for some reason, had more quality (I even thought Byun played so much better in the group matches when he got knocked out by Classic). SSL ZvZ finals hype! | ||
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Waxangel
United States33228 Posts
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Penev
28463 Posts
On September 25 2016 16:55 Waxangel wrote: Bly doppleganger in the crowd :O Is he on fire? | ||
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Elentos
55466 Posts
Red vs blue all year is so bad. | ||
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SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
On September 25 2016 16:55 Waxangel wrote: Bly doppleganger in the crowd :O i could see bly going to korea. maybe it's him | ||
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Inflicted
Australia18228 Posts
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Elentos
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Jono7272
United Kingdom6330 Posts
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seemsgood
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Elentos
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I don't... Foreign Terrans must be superior. | ||
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usopsama
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Hall0wed
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Die4Ever
United States17624 Posts
On September 25 2016 17:00 Hall0wed wrote: Let me just make 10 queens and I'm untouchable. Awesome game design. queens are quite good, transfuse is crazy in those numbers, maybe it should have a cooldown? | ||
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Elentos
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United Kingdom6330 Posts
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SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
On September 25 2016 17:00 Hall0wed wrote: Let me just make 10 queens and I'm untouchable. Awesome game design. some zergs go up to like 20, it's pretty crazy | ||
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Penev
28463 Posts
On September 25 2016 17:00 usopsama wrote: The queens' anti-air range really needs to be nerfed. I'm sure this can be solved by buffing other things | ||
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Die4Ever
United States17624 Posts
On September 25 2016 17:03 Penev wrote: I'm sure this can be solved by buffing other things medivac healing range and pickup range? and bunker build time of course | ||
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Penev
28463 Posts
On September 25 2016 17:03 Die4Ever wrote: medivac healing range and pickup range? that's the spirit! | ||
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Hall0wed
United States8486 Posts
On September 25 2016 17:01 Die4Ever wrote: queens are quite good, transfuse is crazy in those numbers, maybe it should have a cooldown? I feel like at that point in the game, by the time you get 10 transfuses off then you already have a good shot at holding off the attack. Could be something to mess with but I'm weary. | ||
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Elentos
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SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
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Jono7272
United Kingdom6330 Posts
On September 25 2016 17:06 Elentos wrote: Dark needs some vision on the left side of the map Nah, he just needs ultras | ||
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ShAd_1337
Germany1042 Posts
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sc2chronic
United States777 Posts
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usopsama
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Schelim
Austria11528 Posts
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usopsama
6502 Posts
LOL | ||
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SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
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seemsgood
5527 Posts
7 armors ultra should be enough. | ||
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sc2chronic
United States777 Posts
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Elentos
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Noonius
Estonia17413 Posts
On September 25 2016 17:03 Die4Ever wrote: medivac healing range and pickup range? and bunker build time of course I'm thinking more in the lines of reaper style marine healing | ||
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Die4Ever
United States17624 Posts
On September 25 2016 17:13 Noonius wrote: I'm thinking more in the lines of reaper style marine healing I think ghosts need the reaper jet packs | ||
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usopsama
6502 Posts
On September 25 2016 17:13 Noonius wrote: I'm thinking more in the lines of reaper style marine healing Or give reapers stim. | ||
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Die4Ever
United States17624 Posts
no give medivacs stim, oh wait... | ||
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djraphi23
France2262 Posts
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usopsama
6502 Posts
I forgot, ghosts need stim, too. | ||
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Elentos
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Die4Ever
United States17624 Posts
Husky did that imbaleague thing, where every unit had stim, even protoss and zerg units lol, those were pretty hilarious | ||
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seemsgood
5527 Posts
GIVE BCS STIM! STOP BUFFING TERRAN'S BIOS. | ||
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Die4Ever
United States17624 Posts
On September 25 2016 17:17 seemsgood wrote: GIVE BCS STIM! STOP BUFFING TERRAN'S BIOS. give hellbats stim, it makes sense since they're biological units | ||
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Elentos
55466 Posts
On September 25 2016 17:17 seemsgood wrote: GIVE BCS STIM! STOP BUFFING TERRAN'S BIOS. Siege tank stim please. Also give tanks the upgrade from the Nova mission pack that allows them to fly around. | ||
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Die4Ever
United States17624 Posts
On September 25 2016 17:18 Elentos wrote: Siege tank stim please. Also give tanks the upgrade from the Nova mission pack that allows them to fly around. for april fools, blizzard should put every campaign upgrade into the multiplayer game | ||
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Phredxor
New Zealand15076 Posts
On September 25 2016 17:17 seemsgood wrote: GIVE BCS STIM! STOP BUFFING TERRAN'S BIOS. Stimmed liberators sounds like a lot of fun. | ||
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Elentos
55466 Posts
On September 25 2016 17:18 Die4Ever wrote: for april fools, blizzard should put every campaign upgrade into the multiplayer game That would be so broken I like it | ||
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SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
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Die4Ever
United States17624 Posts
On September 25 2016 17:20 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: That was almost the sickest double bait out of Byun of all time almost T_T | ||
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Noonius
Estonia17413 Posts
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Elentos
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Hall0wed
United States8486 Posts
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Seeker
Where dat snitch at?36990 Posts
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Garbels
Austria653 Posts
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Elentos
55466 Posts
On September 25 2016 17:21 seemsgood wrote: ROACH + RAVAGER comp is overrated. He had no roaches. | ||
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Penev
28463 Posts
let's think of some Zerg buffs | ||
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usopsama
6502 Posts
On September 25 2016 17:23 Penev wrote: Terran won let's think of some Zerg buffs He deserves to lose for building infestors instead of queens. | ||
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Phredxor
New Zealand15076 Posts
On September 25 2016 17:23 Penev wrote: Terran won let's think of some Zerg buffs I think the Queen could do with some more anti air range to help shut down drops. | ||
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Lyyna
France776 Posts
On September 25 2016 17:23 Penev wrote: Terran won let's think of some Zerg buffs +3 armor uppgrade @hive for lings and banelings | ||
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seemsgood
5527 Posts
On September 25 2016 17:23 Penev wrote: Terran won let's think of some Zerg buffs Viking queens deal bonus dmg to mechanical units. | ||
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Zambrah
United States7199 Posts
On September 25 2016 17:23 Penev wrote: Terran won let's think of some Zerg buffs +2 Armor upgrade to Queens at Lair | ||
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Die4Ever
United States17624 Posts
On September 25 2016 17:24 Phredxor wrote: I think the Queen could do with some more anti air range to help shut down drops. yea it's kinda bs that the queen doesn't counter tempests, it needs at least 23 range I think | ||
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Die4Ever
United States17624 Posts
OMG, queen armor, fuck that what's next, queen speed? | ||
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Zambrah
United States7199 Posts
On September 25 2016 17:26 Die4Ever wrote: OMG, queen armor, fuck that what's next, queen speed? Queens get Roach speed with the Roach speed upgrade would be a good idea too. | ||
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Penev
28463 Posts
On September 25 2016 17:24 Phredxor wrote: I think the Queen could do with some more anti air range to help shut down drops. What could go wrong I personally think it's about time to give the ultra some extra armor, we have been waiting for so long! | ||
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Die4Ever
United States17624 Posts
On September 25 2016 17:27 Zambrah wrote: Queens get Roach speed with the Roach speed upgrade would be a good idea too. burrow movement queens too | ||
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Zambrah
United States7199 Posts
I like the way you think! | ||
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usopsama
6502 Posts
On September 25 2016 17:26 Die4Ever wrote: OMG, queen armor, fuck that what's next, queen speed? No, teleportation with no cooldown. | ||
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Phredxor
New Zealand15076 Posts
Deep Burrow is needed too. | ||
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Noonius
Estonia17413 Posts
On September 25 2016 17:26 Die4Ever wrote: OMG, queen armor, fuck that what's next, queen speed? move ultra to hatch and plating to pool | ||
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usopsama
6502 Posts
Queens should have the scan ability. | ||
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Zambrah
United States7199 Posts
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Ramiz1989
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Elentos
55466 Posts
Me: "Not at all" *banshee dies immediately* | ||
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United States17624 Posts
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Ramiz1989
12124 Posts
On September 25 2016 17:29 Zambrah wrote: Why not have Transfuse also boost Attack and movement speed? Because then Queens would've been a lot closer to Protoss units. | ||
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Noonius
Estonia17413 Posts
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Die4Ever
United States17624 Posts
On September 25 2016 17:30 Noonius wrote: pre queen range that banshee would have survived. Think about that sounds good | ||
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Estonia17413 Posts
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usopsama
6502 Posts
On September 25 2016 17:30 Ramiz1989 wrote: Banshee donation. Overlord donation. | ||
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Thouhastmail
Korea (North)876 Posts
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Die4Ever
United States17624 Posts
supply depot donations | ||
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Noonius
Estonia17413 Posts
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Penev
28463 Posts
you just have to make the zerg not get there | ||
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Elentos
55466 Posts
On September 25 2016 17:34 seemsgood wrote: Dat stim snipe saved his ass. It was combat shields | ||
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Die4Ever
United States17624 Posts
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Die4Ever
United States17624 Posts
On September 25 2016 17:36 Noonius wrote: fungal this, I'm gonna go get some potato salad from the kitchen hopefully your potato salad didn't get fungaled | ||
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Penev
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seemsgood
5527 Posts
On September 25 2016 17:36 usopsama wrote: Lucky snipe. Look away one moment and you are fucked.It happens in every lotv match up. | ||
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RKC
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Die4Ever
United States17624 Posts
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PepsiMaxxxx
Sweden5452 Posts
On September 25 2016 17:38 Die4Ever wrote: GhostKingPrime time! Is Nestea going to be bunker-rushed? | ||
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United States17624 Posts
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Die4Ever
United States17624 Posts
On September 25 2016 17:39 PepsiMaxxxx wrote: Is Nestea going to be bunker-rushed? only if they play the wrong map lol | ||
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seemsgood
5527 Posts
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usopsama
6502 Posts
On September 25 2016 17:37 seemsgood wrote: Look away one moment and you are fucked.It happens in every lotv match up. In other words, medavics need more vision and HP? | ||
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Die4Ever
United States17624 Posts
On September 25 2016 17:40 usopsama wrote: In other words, medavics need more vision and HP? scan should be reduced to cost 10 energy | ||
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seemsgood
5527 Posts
On September 25 2016 17:40 usopsama wrote: In other words, medavics need more vision and HP? Need nuke warning sound. | ||
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usopsama
6502 Posts
On September 25 2016 17:41 Die4Ever wrote: scan should be reduced to cost 10 energy Buildings should be able to land on units and damage them. | ||
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RKC
2848 Posts
On September 25 2016 17:40 usopsama wrote: In other words, medavics need more vision and HP? Medevacship should cloak units. | ||
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Noonius
Estonia17413 Posts
On September 25 2016 17:37 Penev wrote: great series btw, this should be the final great semis mean that finals will be complete shit. Especially if it's a zvz | ||
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Thouhastmail
Korea (North)876 Posts
On September 25 2016 17:42 seemsgood wrote: Byun is not taeja.Just admit it. who? | ||
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seemsgood
5527 Posts
But first ,fungal can't reveal cloaked units. | ||
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Inflicted
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Elentos
55466 Posts
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Noonius
Estonia17413 Posts
On September 25 2016 17:44 Inflicted wrote: Surprised ByuN is still in this game game has been over pretty much since Dark decided to go to ultras. | ||
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Penev
28463 Posts
Mut mut chitinous plating | ||
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usopsama
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seemsgood
5527 Posts
On September 25 2016 17:46 usopsama wrote: Dark, you better not fucking lose or something. Even GM NA player knows how to reach ultimate zerg army. | ||
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Penev
28463 Posts
On September 25 2016 17:44 seemsgood wrote: But first ,fungal can't reveal cloaked units. nerfing is NOT alowed | ||
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Elentos
55466 Posts
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Noonius
Estonia17413 Posts
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Die4Ever
United States17624 Posts
are you blizzard? | ||
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Die4Ever
United States17624 Posts
On September 25 2016 17:48 Noonius wrote: why is parasitic bomb even in the game? to make terran micro even more? haha I don't really like the idea behind it either, it's pretty boring | ||
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SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
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mCon.Hephaistas
Netherlands891 Posts
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usopsama
6502 Posts
On September 25 2016 17:48 Noonius wrote: why is parasitic bomb even in the game? to make terran micro even more? Terrans aren't getting carpal tunnel fast enough, that's why Blizzard wants them to micro more. | ||
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Elentos
55466 Posts
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Penev
28463 Posts
let's just say you'll be logging in to penev.net in the near future | ||
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Inflicted
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TheWinks
United States572 Posts
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Canada28396 Posts
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True_Spike
Poland3415 Posts
Too bad Byun couldn't muster the win. Good zergs are downright unbeatable once they get to use burrow + nydus. | ||
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Zambrah
United States7199 Posts
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Estonia17413 Posts
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55466 Posts
On September 25 2016 17:50 RKC wrote: Dark y u no gas Mining no gas at his top left base and only 5 out of 6 drones in gas on the 12 o'clock and the gold, that really hurt. | ||
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Ukraine320 Posts
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Seeker
Where dat snitch at?36990 Posts
Poll: Recommend Dark vs ByuN Game 3? ★★★★★ - One of the Best Games this year (23) ★★★★ - Good Game (9) ★ - Do not watch no matter what (4) ★★ - Watch if you have nothing better to do (1) ★★★ - Average Game (1) 38 total votes Your vote: Recommend Dark vs ByuN Game 3? (Vote): ★ - Do not watch no matter what | ||
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Noonius
Estonia17413 Posts
On September 25 2016 17:52 Penev wrote: let's just say you'll be logging in to penev.net in the near future no one wants to be redirected to lemonparty | ||
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Ramiz1989
12124 Posts
On September 25 2016 17:54 Noonius wrote: must feel good knowing you had that one already won 15 minutes ago Except that he didn't. | ||
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usopsama
6502 Posts
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djraphi23
France2262 Posts
And once again, SSL > GSL. 4/4. | ||
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United Kingdom2212 Posts
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Durnuu
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usopsama
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On September 25 2016 17:58 djraphi23 wrote: Yeah ... another ZvZ final... And once again, SSL > GSL. 4/4. You can't blame them. There were no zergs in the RO8 in the GSL. Otherwise, it would have been a close all zerg RO4 Cross Finals. | ||
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Where dat snitch at?36990 Posts
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United States17624 Posts
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On September 25 2016 18:00 usopsama wrote: You can't blame them. There were no zergs in the RO8 in the GSL. Otherwise, it would have been a close all zerg RO4 Cross Finals. Dark was kinda f***ed over in GSL due to the punishing schedule. Even for Season 1, he admitted focusing on SSL semi over GSL RO16. | ||
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TheWinks
United States572 Posts
Wow it doesn't matter because ultras are dumb. | ||
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usopsama
6502 Posts
I think Queen's anti-air range needs to be buffed. | ||
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True_Spike
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He should have gotten the base and retread easily. | ||
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United States17624 Posts
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Norway60 Posts
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On September 25 2016 18:09 TheWinks wrote: What the hell did Dark just do? Wow it doesn't matter because ultras are dumb. He didn't have chitinous, ultras without chitinous are terrible. He still destroyed the army. I don't think that was about the ultras. | ||
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mCon.Hephaistas
Netherlands891 Posts
On September 25 2016 18:00 usopsama wrote: You can't blame them. There were no zergs in the RO8 in the GSL. Otherwise, it would have been a close all zerg RO4 Cross Finals. Plz whine more | ||
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Sweden1817 Posts
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Switzerland1318 Posts
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usopsama
6502 Posts
On September 25 2016 18:12 usopsama wrote: That proxy hydra den though. Dat mind game. | ||
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TheWinks
United States572 Posts
On September 25 2016 18:11 Elentos wrote: He didn't have chitinous, ultras without chitinous are terrible. He still destroyed the army. I don't think that was about the ultras. Uh, two transfused ultras turned the engagement around. It was 100% the ultras. | ||
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United States33228 Posts
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Sweden5452 Posts
On September 25 2016 18:11 ilikeredheads wrote: 2 ultras change the game lol No. One widow mine did. | ||
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Inflicted
Australia18228 Posts
On September 25 2016 18:12 TheWinks wrote: Uh, two transfused ultras turned the engagement around. It was 100% the ultras. ByuN traded badly in the engagement right before it | ||
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United Kingdom2212 Posts
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China142 Posts
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Norway60 Posts
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TheWinks
United States572 Posts
On September 25 2016 18:13 Inflicted wrote: ByuN traded badly in the engagement right before it He had double the army supply after that engagement. Are you trolling me or something? | ||
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Elentos
55466 Posts
On September 25 2016 18:13 Edpayasugo wrote: Do queens benefit from range or melee attack upgrades? Range | ||
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sc2chronic
United States777 Posts
only air range tb specific | ||
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Elentos
55466 Posts
Ultras without chitinous are garbage, they only lived because of transfuse, ByuN should not have taken the fight like that. | ||
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Edpayasugo
United Kingdom2212 Posts
What do you mean? | ||
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sc2chronic
United States777 Posts
nvm thought u asked what upgrade they were recently given. they only benefit from range attack upgrades | ||
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Ramiz1989
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Germany1042 Posts
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seemsgood
5527 Posts
On September 25 2016 18:18 Ramiz1989 wrote: "LUL Ultras, LUL Ultras" and Dark loses the game while Byun is over 150 supply, it is actually hilarious reading TL comments these days, it is like a slower twitch chat, like one twitch chat wasn't cancerous enough. He won but still LUL anyway LUL.... | ||
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sc2chronic
United States777 Posts
On September 25 2016 18:18 Ramiz1989 wrote: "LUL Ultras, LUL Ultras" and Dark loses the game while Byun is over 150 supply, it is actually hilarious reading TL comments these days, it is like a slower twitch chat, like one twitch chat wasn't cancerous enough. all LR threads become balance whine threads. u didnt know this by now? | ||
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Penev
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On September 25 2016 18:18 Ramiz1989 wrote: "LUL Ultras, LUL Ultras" and Dark loses the game while Byun is over 150 supply, it is actually hilarious reading TL comments these days, it is like a slower twitch chat, like one twitch chat wasn't cancerous enough. to be fair, Ultra's are pretty LUL | ||
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Ej_
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On September 25 2016 18:18 Ramiz1989 wrote: "LUL Ultras, LUL Ultras" and Dark loses the game while Byun is over 150 supply, it is actually hilarious reading TL comments these days, it is like a slower twitch chat, like one twitch chat wasn't cancerous enough. It's the Terran players. | ||
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Ramiz1989
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On September 25 2016 18:19 sc2chronic wrote: all LR threads become balance whine threads. u didnt know this by now? Of course I do, they just weren't this bad. It's like half the people have down syndrome or something. | ||
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Elentos
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Largely UnLoved | ||
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sc2chronic
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On September 25 2016 18:20 Ramiz1989 wrote: Of course I do, they just weren't this bad. It's like half the people have down syndrome or something. youre being nice | ||
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It is just the word LUL that pisses me off, it reminds me of twitch chat too much. | ||
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On September 25 2016 18:18 sc2chronic wrote: nvm thought u asked what upgrade they were recently given. they only benefit from range attack upgrades Ok, thanks. | ||
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On September 25 2016 18:27 sc2chronic wrote: i really hate wolf's casting tonight Just tonight? He hasn't mention the word 'tilt' yet. | ||
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On September 25 2016 18:30 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Uhhhh Wolf calling this over when it's actually pretty even he missed a lot of scv's dying | ||
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Elentos
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And an orbital dying to lings apparently. | ||
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RKC
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He's playing so well to micro and multitask, and yet that's not enough if Terran plays well. | ||
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Penev
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On September 25 2016 18:32 Elentos wrote: And an orbital dying to lings apparently. he even got the orbital wow | ||
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Jono7272
United Kingdom6330 Posts
On September 25 2016 18:32 RKC wrote: Sorry, it's rather silly and unfair if Dark loses the series :/ He's playing so well to micro and multitask, and yet that's not enough if Terran plays well. lol okay | ||
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Ciaus237
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Also Terran will only lose on these positions if they are outplayed | ||
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SetGuitarsToKill
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But seriously holy shit Wolf I'm still shocked you have a job when you miss call games that hard. | ||
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Durnuu
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just like season 1 | ||
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Penev
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so Solar wins this? wow | ||
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Zambrah
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Man, that series was killer, I wouldn't've even been salty if ByuN won, that series was 100% deserved by whoever won. | ||
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I'm not going to stick around for the ZvZ though. | ||
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sc2chronic
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..... now | ||
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ShAd_1337
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On September 25 2016 18:34 Noonius wrote: I'm so angry right now i'm happy. that's ok !! | ||
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Durnuu
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On September 25 2016 18:35 Penev wrote: yaaaay Dark! so Solar wins this? wow If this is like cross finals #1 (and so far it is), then Dark wins | ||
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Elentos
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On September 25 2016 18:35 Durnuu wrote: SSL BEST SL just like season 1 Yeah although in season 1 GSL won the Archon match. | ||
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On September 25 2016 18:35 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: I feel so bad for Byun but he did mis play this so much. But seriously holy shit Wolf I'm still shocked you have a job when you miss call games that hard. Yeah what the fuck honestly... Dark has 2 more bases, is up 10 pop but still Wolf calls Byun winning ? ... | ||
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Seeker
Where dat snitch at?36990 Posts
Now take care of Solar and then go on to win BlizzCon. | ||
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PepsiMaxxxx
Sweden5452 Posts
On September 25 2016 18:35 SharkStarcraft wrote: Wolf literally has 0 game knowledge hahaha And the other casters in Korea have? | ||
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lestye
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Really surprised to see an SSL final re-match, I figured that would be the least likely grand final to happen. | ||
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Ramiz1989
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On September 25 2016 18:35 Noonius wrote: zerg's ultra queen is just retarded Yeah, they should make it counterable with Marines, Marauders, Mines and Medivacs on 3 bases for 20 minutes... | ||
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Elentos
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On September 25 2016 18:36 Zambrah wrote: If I sleep now am I going to have some easy way to access Dark vs Solar tomorrow? SPOTV probably will have them on their Youtube channel by then if they upload as quickly as usual | ||
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SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
On September 25 2016 18:36 PepsiMaxxxx wrote: And the other casters in Korea have? I really never notice tastosis calling games over like that. | ||
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Ctesias
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Also not too hyped about another ZvZ finals... | ||
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RKC
2848 Posts
Probably the best low econ ZvT player in the world. Would be amazing if Dream gets his shit together and they both face off. | ||
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mCon.Hephaistas
Netherlands891 Posts
Sick last game by Dark | ||
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Penev
28463 Posts
On September 25 2016 18:35 Durnuu wrote: If this is like cross finals #1 (and so far it is), then Dark wins Darks ZvZ seems worse now tho | ||
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usopsama
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On September 25 2016 18:36 PepsiMaxxxx wrote: And the other casters in Korea have? Yeah, they do. Especially Rain. | ||
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On September 25 2016 18:37 Elentos wrote: SPOTV probably will have them on their Youtube channel by then if they upload as quickly as usual Praise the SC2 Gods, hallelujah let mine tired eyes rest, and let mine breakfast tomorrow be filled with much top tier ZvZ! | ||
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Durnuu
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Pet is just the secret ZvZ bonjwa | ||
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Elentos
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On September 25 2016 18:37 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: I really never notice tastosis calling games over like that. They don't call games wrong early. But they also don't say anything about the game for most of the cast. | ||
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Penev
28463 Posts
no argument there Pet is best | ||
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Elentos
55466 Posts
Dark got the win in their rematch in the much more important Leifeng Cup qualifiers. | ||
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Vanadiel
France961 Posts
Congratz to both player, could have been either way. In the end it would have been nice to have a TvZ in the final though, but we will see if Dark gets a revenge for the SSL final. | ||
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Blargh
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I think Byun is still the better player. Dark played well, though. | ||
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On September 25 2016 18:36 uriel- wrote: Leaving balance talk aside, these types of games are just pretty shit to watch. I disagree. I thought it was an entertaining series | ||
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Penev
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On September 25 2016 18:39 Elentos wrote: Dark got the win in their rematch in the much more important Leifeng Cup qualifiers. Dark hiding builds for Leifeng cup, of course! | ||
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RKC
2848 Posts
On September 25 2016 18:38 Elentos wrote: They don't call games wrong early. But they also don't say anything about the game for most of the cast. Support the #BringBackGTR campaign plz | ||
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Elentos
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On September 25 2016 18:40 Penev wrote: Dark hiding builds for Leifeng cup, of course! They both just did 1 or 2 base speedling rushes and then Dark had banelings first and better micro | ||
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Seeker
Where dat snitch at?36990 Posts
On September 25 2016 18:36 PepsiMaxxxx wrote: And the other casters in Korea have? ...I'm sorry... What? | ||
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Penev
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On September 25 2016 18:41 Elentos wrote: They both just did 1 or 2 base speedling rushes and then Dark had banelings first and better micro sounds like I missed some great gaems | ||
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Penev
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HAHAHA | ||
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On September 25 2016 18:44 Penev wrote: korean zergs HAHAHA Foreign Terrans are just better <.< >.> | ||
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showstealer1829
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Pity Solar isn't in the same group to embarrass Nerchio.. | ||
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Elentos
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On September 25 2016 18:45 Phredxor wrote: So Dark confirmed about as good as Losira in ZvT. After not qualifying for KeSPA Cup Losira is probably back to terrible now | ||
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seemsgood
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On September 25 2016 18:47 Elentos wrote: After not qualifying for KeSPA Cup Losira is probably back to terrible now He even lost to bogus' memelone build. | ||
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On September 25 2016 18:48 Penev wrote: we should have an esport that has all the olympic sports in it, summer and winter eSports about normal sports. The dream. | ||
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mCon.Hephaistas
Netherlands891 Posts
On September 25 2016 18:40 Blargh wrote: I'd much rather Zerg be less dependent on the absurdly insanely ridiculously strong Ultralisk. That was a good game, but seriously, no one enjoys playing against them once they get to that stage, and the game shouldn't be balanced around that either. Broodlord Infestor felt better, even. I think Byun is still the better player. Dark played well, though. I think most Zergs feel the same. The midgame vs Terran currently also feels very frustrating, just scraping by and hoping you don't make a little mistake and die until you get Ultras out. | ||
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Penev
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#bringbackmoonglade | ||
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The only hashtag I support is #mechSKTgreatagain | ||
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Phredxor
New Zealand15076 Posts
On September 25 2016 18:52 Elentos wrote: The only hashtag I support is #mechSKTgreatagain What about #oovlied | ||
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Elentos
55466 Posts
Okay yeah #oovlied and #brokenpromises are okay too. And #fireoov. | ||
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RKC
2848 Posts
#MakesoOKongAgain | ||
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On September 25 2016 18:55 Phredxor wrote: SSL winning cross finals once again. Clearly the superior league. They also have the awesome Challenge format. | ||
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Penev
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On September 25 2016 18:57 merin wrote: do you guys have problems with the sound lagging behind the picture? Both twitch and afreeca seems to have that problem atm... any solution? yep, watch YT | ||
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Phredxor
New Zealand15076 Posts
On September 25 2016 18:57 merin wrote: do you guys have problems with the sound lagging behind the picture? Both twitch and afreeca seems to have that problem atm... any solution? Youtube is the solution. It's on the first page somwhere. | ||
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Elentos
55466 Posts
On September 25 2016 18:57 merin wrote: do you guys have problems with the sound lagging behind the picture? Both twitch and afreeca seems to have that problem atm... any solution? Try Youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRIK4y9wcw8 | ||
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Ramiz1989
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On September 25 2016 18:55 Elentos wrote: So what Wolf is saying is that none of this matters and even if Dark wins, Solar and ByuN are still better. I mean he is right, none of this matters because tomorrow he will be saying something completely different lol. | ||
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seemsgood
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On September 25 2016 18:59 Elentos wrote: If anyone is concerned about the lack of foreign pros in this LR thread, fear not, they are just preoccupied. https://twitter.com/Nerchio_SC2/status/779974059014492160 What about Artur ? | ||
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RKC
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On September 25 2016 18:59 Elentos wrote: If anyone is concerned about the lack of foreign pros in this LR thread, fear not, they are just preoccupied. https://twitter.com/Nerchio_SC2/status/779974059014492160 They can't find anything to shitpost about Korean Zergs today. | ||
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Elentos
55466 Posts
Got nothing. Probably still posing. | ||
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On September 25 2016 19:01 RKC wrote: They can't find anything to shitpost about Korean Zergs today. Oh please, they're experts, they can always find something. | ||
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RKC
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On September 25 2016 19:03 Elentos wrote: Oh please, they're experts, they can always find something. I thought I saw Dark missed an inject by a millisecond. What a noob. | ||
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On September 25 2016 19:11 Seeker wrote: Damn it... He's exhausted because the match against ByuN was too difficult... While Solar just breezed past sOs and had plenty of rest time... Ugh... Even then Solar is the better ZvZ player | ||
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Seeker
Where dat snitch at?36990 Posts
On September 25 2016 19:12 Elentos wrote: Even then Solar is the better ZvZ player Says who? | ||
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PepsiMaxxxx
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The results. | ||
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Seeker
Where dat snitch at?36990 Posts
What results? | ||
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Phredxor
New Zealand15076 Posts
Possibly the SSL finals? | ||
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Seeker
Where dat snitch at?36990 Posts
Kay | ||
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But they still should have given Dark some more time to recover, agree in this case I wouldn't mind a 3rd place match | ||
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have the glaive bounce 10 times | ||
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CruelZeratul
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On September 25 2016 19:24 Penev wrote: buff mut muts have the glaive bounce 10 times How about a nice little +4 armor upgrade, I heard everyone likes those. | ||
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ShAd_1337
Germany1042 Posts
On September 25 2016 19:25 usopsama wrote: Solar 4-0 incoming. ZvZ so easy for Solar. i guarantee you it won't be a 4-0 | ||
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Penev
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On September 25 2016 19:25 usopsama wrote: Solar 4-0 incoming. ZvZ so easy for Solar. it's just a BO5 | ||
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Phredxor
New Zealand15076 Posts
On September 25 2016 19:25 usopsama wrote: Solar 4-0 incoming. ZvZ so easy for Solar. Only because he's playing a scrub KR Zerg. | ||
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Elentos
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On September 25 2016 19:25 Olli wrote: Solar is real good Wonder how good he is against Terran atm | ||
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sc2chronic
United States777 Posts
On September 25 2016 19:26 sc2chronic wrote: as much as id like to see a 4-0, its a bo5 okay... we're those guys. | ||
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Penev
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On September 25 2016 19:26 CruelZeratul wrote: How about a nice little +4 armor upgrade, I heard everyone likes those. ye, I proposed chitinous plating for mut muts earlier this thread | ||
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usopsama
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Too bad. | ||
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Elentos
55466 Posts
On September 25 2016 19:21 Penev wrote: But they still should have given Dark some more time to recover, agree in this case I wouldn't mind a 3rd place match If Blizzard provided prize money for the 3rd place match that could be an option. | ||
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Penev
28463 Posts
just doesn't feel right too me | ||
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Elentos
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On September 25 2016 19:30 Penev wrote: Solar wins SSL and cross finals just doesn't feel right too me The Zerg banjo? | ||
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Penev
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On September 25 2016 19:29 Elentos wrote: If Blizzard provided prize money for the 3rd place match that could be an option. a show match would be fine too, maybe even throw in a foreigner | ||
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Penev
28463 Posts
full banjo circle | ||
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Elentos
55466 Posts
On September 25 2016 19:31 Penev wrote: a show match would be fine too, maybe even throw in a foreigner Yeah. I'm just saying, would be a dick move to have ByuN - who played the same exhaustive series as Dark, mind you - play an extra match for nothing so Dark can rest. | ||
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Elentos
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The saddest bane | ||
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Seeker
Where dat snitch at?36990 Posts
On September 25 2016 19:32 Elentos wrote: Yeah. I'm just saying, would be a dick move to have ByuN - who played the same exhaustive series as Dark, mind you - play an extra match for nothing so Dark can rest. If there was money on the line, then I'm sure ByuN would want to play. If it's just to let Dark rest, then I agree, it's not fair for ByuN. Maybe a showmatch featuring two other players? | ||
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Elentos
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On September 25 2016 19:37 Seeker wrote: If there was money on the line, then I'm sure ByuN would want to play. If it's just to let Dark rest, then I agree, it's not fair for ByuN. Maybe a showmatch featuring two other players? Would be an option certainly. Obviously this close to KeSPA Cup you can't have everyone, but you could still get a fun match together. | ||
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On September 25 2016 19:37 Seeker wrote: If there was money on the line, then I'm sure ByuN would want to play. If it's just to let Dark rest, then I agree, it's not fair for ByuN. Maybe a showmatch featuring two other players? I literally just said that the post Ele is replying to :o | ||
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Alchemik
Poland7124 Posts
how was ByuN vs Dark | ||
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ShAd_1337
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On September 25 2016 19:36 ShAd_1337 wrote: time to choke solar! it's happening ! | ||
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Penev
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On September 25 2016 19:42 Alchemik wrote: hello how was ByuN vs Dark hey recommended watch | ||
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Makro
France16890 Posts
On September 25 2016 19:42 Alchemik wrote: hello how was ByuN vs Dark really good | ||
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ShAd_1337
Germany1042 Posts
On September 25 2016 19:42 Alchemik wrote: hello how was ByuN vs Dark one of the best series of the year | ||
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Seeker
Where dat snitch at?36990 Posts
On September 25 2016 19:42 Penev wrote: I literally just said that the post Ele is replying to :o True. You mentioned foreigners. Other than Neeb, who's in Korea right now? A show match between Neeb and X would have been awesome. | ||
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On September 25 2016 19:44 Seeker wrote: True. You mentioned foreigners. Other than Neeb, who's in Korea right now? A show match between Neeb and X would have been awesome. Indeed Or a bw legends show match | ||
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On September 25 2016 19:58 Phredxor wrote: The reverse sweep is real? Solar is winning though. | ||
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usopsama
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Nevermind. | ||
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Ramiz1989
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On September 25 2016 20:00 CruelZeratul wrote: Worst pulls I've seen. Why not Blinding Cloud?! Yeah, those Abducts were really bad. :D | ||
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Phredxor
New Zealand15076 Posts
Not anymore. Too timid. | ||
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On September 25 2016 20:03 CruelZeratul wrote: So if you Blinding Cloud Lurkers and stand on top of it, it will still do it's normal AoE I guess? But not when you stand slightly away from it? ye of course | ||
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On September 25 2016 20:04 CruelZeratul wrote: Solar is trying to lose this pretty bad. And with Dark having BLs I think he has done it. BLs are really bad, but I guess he might have been ahead enough to win anyway | ||
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Poland7124 Posts
On September 25 2016 20:07 Noonius wrote: still the most boring mirror I thought we were watching ZvZ, not TvT | ||
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CruelZeratul
Germany4588 Posts
I feel like Solar could have taken this with the first Viper push easily if he just used Blinding Cloud and moved in with his Lurkers. | ||
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Seeker
Where dat snitch at?36990 Posts
On September 25 2016 20:07 Noonius wrote: still the most boring mirror TvT is terrible. It's always tankivac/marine vs tankivac/marine. At least with ZvZ, we can see variety. Now that I think about it, PvP is terrible too. It's just adept vs adept... | ||
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Penev
28463 Posts
On September 25 2016 20:09 Seeker wrote: TvT is terrible. It's always tankivac/marine vs tankivac/marine. At least with ZvZ, we can see variety. Now that I think about it, PvP is terrible too. It's just adept vs adept... ZvZ best mirror! | ||
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Ramiz1989
12124 Posts
On September 25 2016 20:09 Seeker wrote: TvT is terrible. It's always tankivac/marine vs tankivac/marine. At least with ZvZ, we can see variety. Now that I think about it, PvP is terrible too. It's just adept vs adept... ZvZ stopped being terrible the moment it stopped being just Roach wars. No matter how micro intense and positional the mirror match-up is, having more options, builds and army compositions is better. Right now I will always watch ZvZ rather than TvTs with 3 units. | ||
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Ramiz1989
12124 Posts
On September 25 2016 20:09 Edpayasugo wrote: Is that Rain next to Solar? Yeah, he became a caster when he retired afaik. | ||
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Edpayasugo
United Kingdom2212 Posts
On September 25 2016 20:13 Ramiz1989 wrote: Yeah, he became a caster when he retired afaik. Thanks, I remember seeing him once but didn't realise he was doing it regularly. | ||
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sparklyresidue
United States5523 Posts
On September 25 2016 20:13 Ramiz1989 wrote: ZvZ stopped being terrible the moment it stopped being just Roach wars. No matter how micro intense and positional the mirror match-up is, having more options, builds and army compositions is better. Right now I will always watch ZvZ rather than TvTs with 3 units. Yeah, agreed. ZvZ used to be the most predictable but really isn't any longer. | ||
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Durnuu
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ejozl
Denmark3340 Posts
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Makro
France16890 Posts
On September 25 2016 20:22 ejozl wrote: I was watching vod on Youtube, but since the match ended, they made the channel private. Anywhere I can watch this? or I need to wait for the youtube channel? they are gonna upload the game on their youtube channel as always | ||
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RichardNPL
185 Posts
On September 25 2016 20:22 ejozl wrote: I was watching vod on Youtube, but since the match ended, they made the channel private. Anywhere I can watch this? or I need to wait for the youtube channel? http://afreeca.tv/36840697/v/46446 | ||
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ejozl
Denmark3340 Posts
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[PkF] Wire
France24192 Posts
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Elentos
55466 Posts
On September 25 2016 20:09 Seeker wrote: TvT is terrible. It's always tankivac/marine vs tankivac/marine. At least with ZvZ, we can see variety. Now that I think about it, PvP is terrible too. It's just adept vs adept... TvT has a decent amount of mech in Korea Also it's totally too late to save my Liquibets, but thanks for trying, Dark. Maybe getting these 3 right will mean good things for my KeSPA Cup LBs tho. | ||
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Diabolique
Czech Republic5118 Posts
Good job bad boy! | ||
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Damusson
Canada54 Posts
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hexhaven
Finland926 Posts
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Cricketer12
United States13969 Posts
On September 25 2016 08:29 Cricketer12 wrote: Dark 3-0 ByuN Solar 3-1 sOs Dark 3-1 Solar Meh, close enough | ||
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juicyjames
United States3815 Posts
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Elentos
55466 Posts
E: Poll: Recommend Dark vs ByuN Game 3? ★★★★★ - One of the Best Games this year (23) ★★★★ - Good Game (9) ★ - Do not watch no matter what (4) ★★ - Watch if you have nothing better to do (1) ★★★ - Average Game (1) 38 total votes Your vote: Recommend Dark vs ByuN Game 3? (Vote): ★ - Do not watch no matter what | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
GJ Dark! It shows the problem i have with cross finals though, now the SSL and GSL champ lost and somebody else won (like in season 1), that's kinda anti hype tbh | ||
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Elentos
55466 Posts
On September 25 2016 23:48 The_Red_Viper wrote: Damn i wanted to watch it by doing an all nighter and then i fell asleep -.- GJ Dark! It shows the problem i have with cross finals though, now the SSL and GSL champ lost and somebody else won (like in season 1), that's kinda anti hype tbh Is it? Imo in both cases the SSL runner-up beating the GSL champion and then getting their revenge against the SSL champion was way more hype as a storyline. Also that's not really a problem with the Cross Finals themselves. If ByuN beat Dark it would have been different. It's the champions' fault they didn't prove their dominance by winning. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On September 26 2016 00:21 Elentos wrote: Is it? Imo in both cases the SSL runner-up beating the GSL champion and then getting their revenge against the SSL champion was way more hype as a storyline. Also that's not really a problem with the Cross Finals themselves. If ByuN beat Dark it would have been different. It's the champions' fault they didn't prove their dominance by winning. I think it is. You just crowned your GSL/SSL champion and soon after somebody else wins against them the crossfinals. It kinda devalues GSL/SSL imo. And yeah sure it is the fault of the champions, but at that top lvl it is simply that volatile. Imo it would be better if only the actual champions would play and crown the overall winner of the season. Or even better, remove the crossfinals and have another kespa cup. | ||
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Penev
28463 Posts
On September 25 2016 23:27 juicyjames wrote: I missed it, were there any recommended matches? Byun - Dark is definitely to be recommended | ||
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Elentos
55466 Posts
On September 26 2016 00:57 The_Red_Viper wrote: I think it is. You just crowned your GSL/SSL champion and soon after somebody else wins against them the crossfinals. It kinda devalues GSL/SSL imo. And yeah sure it is the fault of the champions, but at that top lvl it is simply that volatile. Imo it would be better if only the actual champions would play and crown the overall winner of the season. Or even better, remove the crossfinals and have another kespa cup. But Blizzard doesn't support Global Events financially. So removing the Cross Finals does nothing for a KeSPA Cup. The Cross Finals are just their way of getting away with no 3rd season of Korean SC2 relatively cheap anyway. Also devaluing really? They already make each other look silly. Our SSL champion finished 25th-32nd in GSL mind you, the league most people would say was the weaker one this season. The season 1 Cross Finals champion didn't get through Code A. And Wolf even said that, even though Dark's performance was great, ultimately it was pretty meaningless because he didn't win one of the leagues, he only won some money and was the best player of the day. People should know there's barely any stability in an environment where players have to juggle multiple competitions. So will this mini tournament really make people change their minds about the players involved? Or will they carry on with their opinions, still thinking ByuN is the best player in the world or whatever? That seems more likely to me. For me personally the only one who had a chance to change my mind about him was sOs and he didn't manage to. In the end though I think they should have just brought back the Season Finals from 2013. | ||
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jalstar
United States8198 Posts
Dark vs Byun game 3 | ||
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Whiztard
United States227 Posts
On September 25 2016 22:26 Damusson wrote: No spoiler tags on results? That just ruined it for me I almost got caught by it when I scrolled down for vods. I ended up going to the YouTube esportsTV page, but I got spoiled anyways because the vods were not organized well (finals videos mixed in earlier than ro4 matches). OP or mods, please edit the thread to have spoiler tags. | ||
stuchiu
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On September 26 2016 01:30 Elentos wrote: But Blizzard doesn't support Global Events financially. So removing the Cross Finals does nothing for a KeSPA Cup. The Cross Finals are just their way of getting away with no 3rd season of Korean SC2 relatively cheap anyway. Also devaluing really? They already make each other look silly. Our SSL champion finished 25th-32nd in GSL mind you, the league most people would say was the weaker one this season. The season 1 Cross Finals champion didn't get through Code A. And Wolf even said that, even though Dark's performance was great, ultimately it was pretty meaningless because he didn't win one of the leagues, he only won some money and was the best player of the day. People should know there's barely any stability in an environment where players have to juggle multiple competitions. So will this mini tournament really make people change their minds about the players involved? Or will they carry on with their opinions, still thinking ByuN is the best player in the world or whatever? That seems more likely to me. For me personally the only one who had a chance to change my mind about him was sOs and he didn't manage to. In the end though I think they should have just brought back the Season Finals from 2013. Well then Blizzard should support kespa cup instead of cross finals. Don't get me wrong, for me personally this cross finals means basically nothing. But as a concept i think it is bad that you basically let the finalists of the two leagues play and thus kinda crown the champ of the season (that is the basic concept i would think). In both cases a runner up won, which basically shows that anybody could have been champion of GSL/SSL anyway. It would be a lot better if only the champions would play it out, that way we only have the storyline of one player "winning" the whole season. Season finals had the same problem, you don't wanna crown a new champ right after the main leagues ended. That's kinda meh for storylines. (unless we really have one player who wins all, which is quite rare) I guess it's not the biggest deal, but these cross finals feel underwhelming for multiple reasons and in a scene where the money is already an issue i don't feel like you should spend it that way :/ On September 26 2016 04:56 stuchiu wrote: The essential problem with cross finals is they are like the old 2013 WCS Season finals except with way less participants. Well the wcs season finals were better in the way that it felt more like a real tournament, but had the same problem that you essentially crown the "season champion" who most likely is not a champion of the main tournaments. That's kinda underwhelming. Dear was the only exception iirc. | ||
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highsis
259 Posts
http://sports.news.naver.com/esports/news/read.nhn?oid=442&aid=0000044097 Q: Nerchio has recently defeated many Koreans in a foreign tournament and shown confidence. What are your thoughts on that? A: I looked up the VODs, but I don't see any difference(from past foreigners). As far as I know the tournament was held in European server, and he won't be much of a threat if he plays in Korea. It seems Dark isn't aware that the games were played on neutral server. | ||
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slit
Spain212 Posts
On September 26 2016 06:05 highsis wrote: It seems Dark isn't aware that the games were played on neutral server. He always seemed to me a little bit cocky | ||
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highsis
259 Posts
I don't know if it's Korean thing or Dark but they almost always 'assume' these online tournaments give ping disadvantage to Koreans. Dark is the best zerg player in the world but it is kinda lame that the tournament organizer's efforts to make it fair for both Koreans and foreigners gets ignored by prejudice. | ||
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Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
On September 26 2016 06:05 highsis wrote: Dark mentioned Nerchio in the post match interview which wasn't translated in TL: http://sports.news.naver.com/esports/news/read.nhn?oid=442&aid=0000044097 Q: Nerchio has recently defeated many Koreans in a foreign tournament and shown confidence. What are your thoughts on that? A: I looked up the VODs, but I don't see any difference(from past foreigners). As far as I know the tournament was held in European server, and he won't be much of a threat if he plays in Korea. It seems Dark isn't aware that the games were played on neutral server. which is interesting because he played in one of the king of the hills | ||
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Elentos
55466 Posts
On September 26 2016 05:05 The_Red_Viper wrote: + Show Spoiler + On September 26 2016 01:30 Elentos wrote: But Blizzard doesn't support Global Events financially. So removing the Cross Finals does nothing for a KeSPA Cup. The Cross Finals are just their way of getting away with no 3rd season of Korean SC2 relatively cheap anyway. Also devaluing really? They already make each other look silly. Our SSL champion finished 25th-32nd in GSL mind you, the league most people would say was the weaker one this season. The season 1 Cross Finals champion didn't get through Code A. And Wolf even said that, even though Dark's performance was great, ultimately it was pretty meaningless because he didn't win one of the leagues, he only won some money and was the best player of the day. People should know there's barely any stability in an environment where players have to juggle multiple competitions. So will this mini tournament really make people change their minds about the players involved? Or will they carry on with their opinions, still thinking ByuN is the best player in the world or whatever? That seems more likely to me. For me personally the only one who had a chance to change my mind about him was sOs and he didn't manage to. In the end though I think they should have just brought back the Season Finals from 2013. Well then Blizzard should support kespa cup instead of cross finals. Don't get me wrong, for me personally this cross finals means basically nothing. But as a concept i think it is bad that you basically let the finalists of the two leagues play and thus kinda crown the champ of the season (that is the basic concept i would think). In both cases a runner up won, which basically shows that anybody could have been champion of GSL/SSL anyway. It would be a lot better if only the champions would play it out, that way we only have the storyline of one player "winning" the whole season. Season finals had the same problem, you don't wanna crown a new champ right after the main leagues ended. That's kinda meh for storylines. (unless we really have one player who wins all, which is quite rare) I guess it's not the biggest deal, but these cross finals feel underwhelming for multiple reasons and in a scene where the money is already an issue i don't feel like you should spend it that way :/ On September 26 2016 04:56 stuchiu wrote: The essential problem with cross finals is they are like the old 2013 WCS Season finals except with way less participants. Well the wcs season finals were better in the way that it felt more like a real tournament, but had the same problem that you essentially crown the "season champion" who most likely is not a champion of the main tournaments. That's kinda underwhelming. Dear was the only exception iirc. If you only have the champions play there's no point in having the event because you're done after like 90 minutes tho. And I would argue that one of the key points of the Cross Finals - and the reason the winner gets 1000 WCS points - is likely to help out the runner-ups in the race for Blizzcon. And yes, Dear was technically the only one who actually won both. But let's be honest INnoVation only lost his GSL finals by accident and he proved it a week later. And 2 out of 3 ain't bad. Or so I heard. The other one was Maru going out against aLive and Scarlett which I'm sure in hindsight Noonius still finds highly delightful. Actually that season none of the champions got through the group stage. But at least the Cross Finals this year weren't total stomps. In 2013 every Season Final was a 4-0. On September 26 2016 06:48 Shellshock wrote: which is interesting because he played in one of the king of the hills He only had to play KR vs KR against Dear though. So he probably didn't care about the rest | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On September 26 2016 06:58 Elentos wrote: If you only have the champions play there's no point in having the event because you're done after like 90 minutes tho. And I would argue that one of the key points of the Cross Finals - and the reason the winner gets 1000 WCS points - is likely to help out the runner-ups in the race for Blizzcon. And yes, Dear was technically the only one who actually won both. But let's be honest INnoVation only lost his GSL finals by accident and he proved it a week later. And 2 out of 3 ain't bad. Or so I heard. The other one was Maru going out against aLive and Scarlett which I'm sure in hindsight Noonius still finds highly delightful. Actually that season none of the champions got through the group stage. But at least the Cross Finals this year weren't total stomps. In 2013 every Season Final was a 4-0. Well yeah if only the champions play then the event doesn't produce enoug content. I am sure you could find a way to fill it somehow though. Showmatches, maybe have a third place match with the runner ups (even though in general i dislike that haha), etc. I mean the runner ups already get more points than anyone who wasn't a runner up, makes little sense to me to do it because of that :D If you wanna put more importance on second place you can do that just fine in the main tournament. Sure Innovation should have won the gsl, but he didn not, so it stays at 1 out of 3 It's how sc2 works, the best players can beat each other depending on day form, etc. Personally i would prefer storylines which are about big champions, that way an upset actually is one. If you have the GSL champ and SSL champ and none of them wins the cross finals a short time after then it doesn't paint the most stable hierarchy. (maybe most people actually prefer new champion after new champion, would seem weird to me though tbh?) I mean i take the cross finals because it is more korean content, but it feels like it shouldn't be a thing. At least not in that execution. The dramatic structure is off imo. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
Dark vs Byun was good i heard, Solar vs Dark as well? | ||
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waiting2Bbanned
United States154 Posts
Dark vs Byun was good i heard, Solar vs Dark as well? I liked it a lot, just like the actual SSL finals between them | ||
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The_Red_Viper
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Elentos
55466 Posts
On September 26 2016 07:30 The_Red_Viper wrote: I mean the runner ups already get more points than anyone who wasn't a runner up, makes little sense to me to do it because of that :D If you wanna put more importance on second place you can do that just fine in the main tournament. The runner-up gets 2800 points, maybe 3000 if it's season 1 and they get seeded into the next one. You can see with sOs that just being the runner-up isn't enough points. Now, you could say "But sOs didn't do anything in the other Korean tournaments and wouldn't have made Blizzcon even if he won", which is a valid point. But Stats, who did quite a bit better, would be fighting for his Blizzcon life in KeSPA Cup without the points from the Cross Finals. So these points actually matter in the end. And realistically, how many interesting showmatches could you produce for the Cross Finals? With no prize money. The first CF was one day after a Proleague round finals, this one was two days before KeSPA Cup. How many pros will you find, willing and able to do this showmatch, for no gain, and who the fans want to see play? Also I don't really get your point about storylines. On the one hand you say you would want your champions to appear big and uncontested for as long as possible, preferably having them lose as few matches against non-champions as possible. On the other hand you admitted that the playing field at the top is incredibly close and that anyone can beat anyone. So you're asking for a story about something that doesn't exist in Starcraft 2 right now. You want the system to pretend big, dominant champions exist, even though you know the result of the finals could be the opposite if they replay on any other day. I mean, I can't deny that there is appeal to made-up stories, but I'm sure in this case it would be more interesting if the story actually happened. Oh and one last thing. I got up early to watch this for the sole reason of watching Dark play ByuN in a best of 5. The only chance to see that outside of Blizzcon - where there's no guarantee it'll happen. And I wasn't disappointed. So yeah, I will gladly take dethroned champions and whatever story comes with them if it means I get to see matches I wanted to see. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On September 26 2016 08:05 Elentos wrote: The runner-up gets 2800 points, maybe 3000 if it's season 1 and they get seeded into the next one. You can see with sOs that just being the runner-up isn't enough points. Now, you could say "But sOs didn't do anything in the other Korean tournaments and wouldn't have made Blizzcon even if he won", which is a valid point. But Stats, who did quite a bit better, would be fighting for his Blizzcon life in KeSPA Cup without the points from the Cross Finals. So these points actually matter in the end. And realistically, how many interesting showmatches could you produce for the Cross Finals? With no prize money. The first CF was one day after a Proleague round finals, this one was two days before KeSPA Cup. How many pros will you find, willing and able to do this showmatch, for no gain, and who the fans want to see play? Also I don't really get your point about storylines. On the one hand you say you would want your champions to appear big and uncontested for as long as possible, preferably having them lose as few matches against non-champions as possible. On the other hand you admitted that the playing field at the top is incredibly close and that anyone can beat anyone. So you're asking for a story about something that doesn't exist in Starcraft 2 right now. You want the system to pretend big, dominant champions exist, even though you know the result of the finals could be the opposite if they replay on any other day. I mean, I can't deny that there is appeal to made-up stories, but I'm sure in this case it would be more interesting if the story actually happened. Oh and one last thing. I got up early to watch this for the sole reason of watching Dark play ByuN in a best of 5. The only chance to see that outside of Blizzcon - where there's no guarantee it'll happen. And I wasn't disappointed. So yeah, I will gladly take dethroned champions and whatever story comes with them if it means I get to see matches I wanted to see. The point is that if you think the point distribution doesn't value runner ups enough you don't need to create a different tournament where there is the potential to get more points ONLY for them. You simply change the amount of points they get in the main tournaments. At the end of the day the relative point distribution is what matters for players. Regarding that Stats example: Getting 2nd and 5-8th got him 4k points. Patience got 3600 for being both times 3th/4th. Stats already got more points for a similar achievement because 2nd apaprently is valued more relatively speaking. Then he also had the chance to get even more points in the cross finals, something the other players cannot do. I don't think the system is good in this case at all tbh. (this gets even more clear when looking at Dear) I mean sure i get that it would be hard to fill the evening if only the champs play. I am not gonna deny that, you are right. I still think it would be better dramatically. That's how storylines work though. Mvp being the greatest of the greatest "having a two year reign" is a made up concept as well. You could say that the truth is that anybody can beat anybody and we should accept that. But if we follow that logic to an extreme and don't even have seeds for the next season so everyone has to qualify for each season, we simply might get a new champion each season (or even worse we won't even have the common "s class" players playing in each one) There always is a thin line between having the fairest system possible and trying to get certain storylines going. At the end of the day it's still an entertainment product. So yeah i don't neccessarily want to test my new crowned champion the next day to see him potentially lose (extreme example) because that storyline simply sucks. And yeah i also wanted to watch the cross finals because Byun vs Dark looked very interesting on paper and in general korean sc2 is on hiatus atm. That's the positive aspect of it, more content. I still think we could get better content instead of it for the same amount of money | ||
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Cricketer12
United States13969 Posts
On September 26 2016 04:56 stuchiu wrote: The essential problem with cross finals is they are like the old 2013 WCS Season finals except with way less participants. and those were super hype. Personally the first two finals were the best tournaments of 2013 for me | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15883 Posts
On September 26 2016 08:39 Cricketer12 wrote: and those were super hype. Personally the first two finals were the best tournaments of 2013 for me especially season 2 finals was one of the best tournaments ever. probably the tournament with the most entertaining games. INnoVation vs TaeJa, TaeJa vs Rain, MC vs Jaedong, Scarlett vs Bomber; then the foreigner storylines with Scarlett and Naniwa both making it into the playoffs and Bomber finally winning a big tournament. that tournament was just amazing. | ||
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RKC
2848 Posts
I have even trouble remembering the past KeSPA Cup champions (Dark & soO?). But these two seasons of Cross Finals have produced some high quality games (Byun v Dark was like 5x better than the GSL final itself). Of course having more KeSPA Cups will be better. But I rather have the Cross Finals than nothing at all. | ||
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Nakajin
Canada8988 Posts
On September 26 2016 11:16 RKC wrote: I don't think the Cross Finals devalues the Starleagues. In a year's time or longer, it is the Starleague champions who will burn into people's memories. I have even trouble remembering the past KeSPA Cup champions (Dark & soO?). But these two seasons of Cross Finals have produced some high quality games (Byun v Dark was like 5x better than the GSL final itself). Of course having more KeSPA Cups will be better. But I rather have the Cross Finals than nothing at all. Can't believe forgot the greatest final of all time SoS-MKP, never before and never after have we seen such a strategic masterclass. SoS genius brain analysing the style of MarineKing and then coming up with the perfect strategy "building a Zealot!". And then MKP adapt to the situation by doing, and I could not believe it, doing absolutely nothing and losing the series. + Show Spoiler + But seriously I still watch the game 3 from time to time, "he is a human being... WITH FEELING" crack me up every time | ||
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Belgium3996 Posts
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Durnuu
13319 Posts
On September 26 2016 13:10 Nakajin wrote: Can't believe forgot the greatest final of all time SoS-MKP, never before and never after have we seen such a strategic masterclass. SoS genius brain analysing the style of MarineKing and then coming up with the perfect strategy "building a Zealot!". And then MKP adapt to the situation by doing, and I could not believe it, doing absolutely nothing and losing the series. + Show Spoiler + But seriously I still watch the game 3 from time to time, "he is a human being... WITH FEELING" crack me up every time sOs-MKP was in Hot6ix Cup, not KeSPA Cup. The KeSPA Cups winners last year were herO and soO (both against Dark) | ||
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Elentos
55466 Posts
On September 26 2016 08:36 The_Red_Viper wrote: So yeah i don't neccessarily want to test my new crowned champion the next day to see him potentially lose (extreme example) because that storyline simply sucks. This was 2 weeks after the SSL finals. How long are we supposed to have to wait until the champions get tested? KeSPA Cup starts tomorrow with ByuN's group. Would 2 weeks and 2 days have been significantly better? And we're in the off-season now. Beside the Cross Finals and KeSPA Cup, there is nothing until Blizzcon. Supposing those didn't exist, or the CF is just the champions playing each other and both fail the qualifiers for KeSPA Cup (which I'm sure you wouldn't really care about because it was online), going into Blizzcon, what are ByuN and Solar? Big champions in a 2 month reign, or players who haven't faced offline competition in 2 months? I'd go with the second option. The point is, a champion who doesn't have to prove their dominance isn't an interesting storyline to me. | ||
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Diabolique
Czech Republic5118 Posts
On September 26 2016 08:03 The_Red_Viper wrote: Ok will check out both series then. Not really interested in Solar vs sOs tbh^^ That is the only one, I watched ... but it looked like if sOs did not take it seriously, he was just trying new, unexpected builds ... the first one was quite entertaining and it worked, the other ones got demolished hard by Solar. But I will also check the ByuN vs Dark one. | ||
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Daswollvieh
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Cricketer12
United States13969 Posts
On September 26 2016 14:38 fLyiNgDroNe wrote: I thought korean Zergs were not good? Who have you been talking too? Foreigners who think they know better? Thing with korean zergs in the history of sc2 is there is always one or two super good ones. Everyone else sucks. Awhile ago no one knew how to deal with terran, but rogue fixed that. Not to mention dark is a badass, and solar just played a bunch of toss. | ||
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[PkF] Wire
France24192 Posts
On September 26 2016 08:39 Cricketer12 wrote: and those were super hype. Personally the first two finals were the best tournaments of 2013 for me I absolutely LOVED the seasons finals as well. I really liked this format and I think it could still work and generate tons of hype (top 8 from WCS and top 8 from KR leagues for instance). | ||
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[PkF] Wire
France24192 Posts
On September 26 2016 22:45 Ej_ wrote: wow what an amazing series in Dark vs ByuN, all coming down to ByuN not lifting his CC in game 5h tho ;___; worth catching up to ? | ||
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Elentos
55466 Posts
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On September 26 2016 17:27 Elentos wrote: This was 2 weeks after the SSL finals. How long are we supposed to have to wait until the champions get tested? KeSPA Cup starts tomorrow with ByuN's group. Would 2 weeks and 2 days have been significantly better? And we're in the off-season now. Beside the Cross Finals and KeSPA Cup, there is nothing until Blizzcon. Supposing those didn't exist, or the CF is just the champions playing each other and both fail the qualifiers for KeSPA Cup (which I'm sure you wouldn't really care about because it was online), going into Blizzcon, what are ByuN and Solar? Big champions in a 2 month reign, or players who haven't faced offline competition in 2 months? I'd go with the second option. The point is, a champion who doesn't have to prove their dominance isn't an interesting storyline to me. The problem in this case isn't necessarily that the cross finals happens soon after the main tournaments, it's that it's basically crowning the best player of the season. The champion of the champions. When a runner up wins this it's just a bad storyline and actively shows how volatile it is at the top. There is no reason to design it that way other than having more content. Kespa Cup is at least a new tournament with 16 players. If the GSL/SSL champ doesn't win this one it's at least not directly related to the starleagues. This is a lot about appearance because in the end there isn't much difference, i understand that. But it still matters i think. See i am not saying i wanna have total artificially created big champions, etc. As i said before there is a thin line to walk. I also want my champions to defend their status. I don't think it is necessarly a good idea to do it like the cross finals though. It just feels different having a completely new tournament going on where a lot of top players have to fight through it. Cross finals places the best 4 players of starleagues into "semis" and the chance we get a runner up winning is pretty high. So you either look at it and say it's a worthless tournament (which most people seem to do? Including me; worthless as in prestige) Or you look at it and pretend Stats and Dark winning it means they are the champions of the season because they won the "cross finals". Both situations i am not happy with tbh. I guess we should be happy about extra korean content, but it could be much, much better | ||
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Elentos
55466 Posts
On September 27 2016 00:51 The_Red_Viper wrote: and actively shows how volatile it is at the top. It's just showing the scene how it is. And yes, having more content is why the Cross Finals exist in the first place. An excuse to better get away with only 2 seasons of Korean Starcraft. I'm not saying the Cross Finals as they exist are the ideal solution in a perfect world. But we're not in that perfect world. Sure, they could do more. They could do better with the Korean scene. But I think the WCS changes for this year showed pretty clearly that that was not their focus. And with that I'm pretty happy with how CFs turned out. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
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With that being said though, Dark vs Byun was pretty good. Need to still watch the finals later today | ||
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The PondCast
Replay Cast
Replay Cast
Road to EWC
SC Evo League
Road to EWC
Afreeca Starleague
BeSt vs Soulkey
Road to EWC
Wardi Open
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EPT
