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darklycid
Profile Joined May 2014
3541 Posts
August 12 2016 16:23 GMT
#161
On August 13 2016 01:20 Ej_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2016 01:18 brickrd wrote:
so is foreign play stronger in lotv or is hydra just not any good anymore

hydra is bad versus protoss
---------------------------------------------------
it would be great if LR threads could be LR threads and not "I'm a game designer AMA"

Agreed.
BTT: The winner of Showtime Heromarine should get another Esl Meisterschafts title added :D
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
August 12 2016 16:24 GMT
#162
On August 13 2016 01:16 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2016 01:12 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On August 13 2016 01:08 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On August 13 2016 01:05 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On August 13 2016 01:04 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On August 13 2016 01:01 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On August 13 2016 00:56 blade55555 wrote:
Man mass adepts and shading every 2 seconds still dumb. Can spam it so stupidly TT.

I think it should cost X shield to activate it, that could be interesting


Just increasing the cooldown is a cleaner and better change..

I wouldn't call that better, it's simpler for sure though.


Adding a shield tax, de-incentives using shading at all in some circumstances (and there isn't even any difficult decision making involved--if there's an engagement soon don't shade), which isn't something you want on an ability.

Having a shield tax on it makes it so it's only really useful for multitasking between bases and the longer it's going on the worse it gets. You also probably don't want to shade directly on an enemey army anymore. I quite like that tbh.
To be clear: There probably wouldn't be any cooldown on it anymore at all though, you don't need cooldown and "energy".


Having a shield tax means people will only ever use shading to either scout or shade into mineral lines and right click on workers. It looks like it only preserves the worst aspect of shades.

Show nested quote +
On August 13 2016 01:11 darklycid wrote:
Imho they need to test to remove Shade give adepts some serious movement speed(upgrade?)


So they'd just be zealots that are better against light units early on.


What do you mean only the worst aspects of shades? Which "positive" aspects would be lost? I don't think that shading on top of an enemy army is positive at all btw. Obviously the implementation makes also a difference (when to lose the shield exactly, when you activate the ability or when you actually shade, etc)
Not saying this is perfect by any means, but imo it's more interesting and better "balanced" than just increasing the cooldown.
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207aicila
Profile Joined January 2015
1237 Posts
August 12 2016 16:24 GMT
#163
Has played 5 games and Welmu beat Hydra, but there's only 8 pages.

What's the meaning of this?
mfw people who never followed BW speak about sAviOr as if they know anything... -___-''''
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Arvendilin
Profile Joined February 2013
Germany1878 Posts
August 12 2016 16:24 GMT
#164
Gogo ShoWtime, represent germany and defeat this dirty... ohh german...
My heroes: Jangbi, Bisu, Stork and BeSt for BW, Rain, Zest and Stats for SC2! Need a better Signature tbh...
Rehio
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1718 Posts
August 12 2016 16:24 GMT
#165
On August 13 2016 01:22 EatingBomber wrote:
Why is the downtime so long, especially when all players play only one 1 bo5?


Because setting up equipment and configuring settings on a new set-up is not an instantaneous process.
Knatterking
Profile Joined April 2014
Germany405 Posts
August 12 2016 16:25 GMT
#166
Feels like it's been ages since I've last seen Apollo...
darklycid
Profile Joined May 2014
3541 Posts
August 12 2016 16:25 GMT
#167
WTF happened to Apollos hair :O
brickrd
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
United States4894 Posts
August 12 2016 16:25 GMT
#168
On August 13 2016 01:19 Solar424 wrote:
Honestly, every unit that was added or dramatically changed in LotV has been trouble. At this point LotV is so flawed Blizzard should just start over from scratch: revert to HotS or even WoL over the offseason and work from there. LotV is just too broken to save.

nah lotv fixed sc2
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
August 12 2016 16:25 GMT
#169
On August 13 2016 01:25 Knatterking wrote:
Feels like it's been ages since I've last seen Apollo...

He's mostly behind the scenes now, that's why
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Arvendilin
Profile Joined February 2013
Germany1878 Posts
August 12 2016 16:25 GMT
#170
On August 13 2016 01:25 Knatterking wrote:
Feels like it's been ages since I've last seen Apollo...

He's been busy at all the global events, hehehe

...

...

I feel sad now
My heroes: Jangbi, Bisu, Stork and BeSt for BW, Rain, Zest and Stats for SC2! Need a better Signature tbh...
lastride
Profile Joined April 2014
2390 Posts
August 12 2016 16:26 GMT
#171
We started the new series with guess what..mass adepts
GumBa
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United Kingdom31935 Posts
August 12 2016 16:26 GMT
#172
On August 13 2016 01:25 Knatterking wrote:
Feels like it's been ages since I've last seen Apollo...

He's busy hunting down koreans that escape from Korea.
To all the haters: you deserve to witness many, many more Serral victories, worthy of the godlike player he is.
Arvendilin
Profile Joined February 2013
Germany1878 Posts
August 12 2016 16:26 GMT
#173
On August 13 2016 01:25 brickrd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2016 01:19 Solar424 wrote:
Honestly, every unit that was added or dramatically changed in LotV has been trouble. At this point LotV is so flawed Blizzard should just start over from scratch: revert to HotS or even WoL over the offseason and work from there. LotV is just too broken to save.

nah lotv fixed sc2

I like it a lot, so much that I'm kinda sad we are seeing more Colosus again :0
My heroes: Jangbi, Bisu, Stork and BeSt for BW, Rain, Zest and Stats for SC2! Need a better Signature tbh...
OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
August 12 2016 16:26 GMT
#174
On August 13 2016 01:14 TheLordofAwesome wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2016 01:06 OtherWorld wrote:
On August 13 2016 01:02 TheLordofAwesome wrote:
On August 13 2016 00:56 OtherWorld wrote:
On August 13 2016 00:12 TheLordofAwesome wrote:
On August 12 2016 21:25 OtherWorld wrote:
Taking sigbets on this, max 3 people per sigbet.
-> 1 week sigbet that there's no North American (defined as"of American or Canadian citizenship") in the quarterfinals ; 2 weeks sigbet that there's no North American in the semifinals ; 1 month sigbet that there's no North American in the finals.
-> 1 month sigbet that there's no Korean in the finals
-> 1 week sigbet that there's at one of PiLiPiLi, iAsonu, Has, or TooDming advances to the Ro16
-> 1 month sigbet that PtitDrogo beats Bunny

I'll take no Korean in the finals.

EDIT: Panda this is not Dreamhack Valencia.

Still up for it?

Yes, Hydra has been awful throughout all of Legacy. I expect him to do worst of all the Koreans here.

Wait, to be clear, I bet that there's no Korean in the finals, and you bet the opposite, right?

Yes. I believe in Polt.

OK, we have a deal.
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Luolis
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Finland7164 Posts
August 12 2016 16:27 GMT
#175
On August 13 2016 01:25 brickrd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2016 01:19 Solar424 wrote:
Honestly, every unit that was added or dramatically changed in LotV has been trouble. At this point LotV is so flawed Blizzard should just start over from scratch: revert to HotS or even WoL over the offseason and work from there. LotV is just too broken to save.

nah lotv fixed sc2

Aww hell no
pro cheese woman / Its never Sunny in Finland. Perkele / FinnishStarcraftTrivia
OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
August 12 2016 16:28 GMT
#176
On August 12 2016 21:25 OtherWorld wrote:
Taking sigbets on this, max 3 people per sigbet.
-> 1 week sigbet that there's no North American (defined as"of American or Canadian citizenship") in the quarterfinals ; 2 weeks sigbet that there's no North American in the semifinals ; 1 month sigbet that there's no North American in the finals.
-> 1 month sigbet that there's no Korean in the finals
-> 1 week sigbet that there's at one of PiLiPiLi, iAsonu, Has, or TooDming advances to the Ro16
-> 1 month sigbet that PtitDrogo beats Bunny

Still offering these bets btw
Used Sigs - New Sigs - Cheap Sigs - Buy the Best Cheap Sig near You at www.cheapsigforsale.com
Ace Frehley
Profile Joined December 2012
2030 Posts
August 12 2016 16:28 GMT
#177
Lol, first welmu, now showtime with adept only
This is so stupid
...
Noonius
Profile Joined April 2012
Estonia17413 Posts
August 12 2016 16:28 GMT
#178
On August 13 2016 01:25 darklycid wrote:
WTF happened to Apollos hair :O


he's corporate now, a suit, works for The Man

Terran forever | Maru hater forever
Knatterking
Profile Joined April 2014
Germany405 Posts
August 12 2016 16:28 GMT
#179
The guys keep saying Leipzig like Leipzisch, is that really how they pronounce it over there?
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-12 16:30:35
August 12 2016 16:29 GMT
#180
On August 13 2016 01:24 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2016 01:16 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On August 13 2016 01:12 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On August 13 2016 01:08 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On August 13 2016 01:05 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On August 13 2016 01:04 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On August 13 2016 01:01 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On August 13 2016 00:56 blade55555 wrote:
Man mass adepts and shading every 2 seconds still dumb. Can spam it so stupidly TT.

I think it should cost X shield to activate it, that could be interesting


Just increasing the cooldown is a cleaner and better change..

I wouldn't call that better, it's simpler for sure though.


Adding a shield tax, de-incentives using shading at all in some circumstances (and there isn't even any difficult decision making involved--if there's an engagement soon don't shade), which isn't something you want on an ability.

Having a shield tax on it makes it so it's only really useful for multitasking between bases and the longer it's going on the worse it gets. You also probably don't want to shade directly on an enemey army anymore. I quite like that tbh.
To be clear: There probably wouldn't be any cooldown on it anymore at all though, you don't need cooldown and "energy".


Having a shield tax means people will only ever use shading to either scout or shade into mineral lines and right click on workers. It looks like it only preserves the worst aspect of shades.

On August 13 2016 01:11 darklycid wrote:
Imho they need to test to remove Shade give adepts some serious movement speed(upgrade?)


So they'd just be zealots that are better against light units early on.


What do you mean only the worst aspects of shades? Which "positive" aspects would be lost? I don't think that shading on top of an enemy army is positive at all btw. Obviously the implementation makes also a difference (when to lose the shield exactly, when you activate the ability or when you actually shade, etc)
Not saying this is perfect by any means, but imo it's more interesting and better "balanced" than just increasing the cooldown.


Using shades for defense, flanking, midmap mobility, splitting, avoiding liberator zones or even shading onto armies are all more positive than right clicking on workers imo. Having weird downsides for the sake of being more "interesting" is a huge red flag too. As for being better "balanced" the issue with adepts has been design more so than balance, what bothers me is that your change rewards you for not using the ability, something you shouldn't want on an ability.
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