• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 21:46
CET 03:46
KST 11:46
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners3Intel X Team Liquid Seoul event: Showmatches and Meet the Pros10[ASL20] Finals Preview: Arrival13TL.net Map Contest #21: Voting12[ASL20] Ro4 Preview: Descent11
Community News
Starcraft, SC2, HoTS, WC3, returning to Blizzcon!21$5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship5[BSL21] RO32 Group Stage3Weekly Cups (Oct 26-Nov 2): Liquid, Clem, Solar win; LAN in Philly2Weekly Cups (Oct 20-26): MaxPax, Clem, Creator win9
StarCraft 2
General
Starcraft, SC2, HoTS, WC3, returning to Blizzcon! TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners RotterdaM "Serral is the GOAT, and it's not close" Weekly Cups (Oct 20-26): MaxPax, Clem, Creator win 5.0.15 Patch Balance Hotfix (2025-10-8)
Tourneys
Constellation Cup - Main Event - Stellar Fest $5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship Merivale 8 Open - LAN - Stellar Fest Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond) $3,500 WardiTV Korean Royale S4
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 498 Wheel of Misfortune|Cradle of Death Mutation # 497 Battle Haredened Mutation # 496 Endless Infection Mutation # 495 Rest In Peace
Brood War
General
BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ SnOw's ASL S20 Finals Review [BSL21] RO32 Group Stage Practice Partners (Official) [ASL20] Ask the mapmakers — Drop your questions
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL21] RO32 Group B - Sunday 21:00 CET [BSL21] RO32 Group A - Saturday 21:00 CET BSL21 Open Qualifiers Week & CONFIRM PARTICIPATION
Strategy
Current Meta How to stay on top of macro? PvZ map balance Soma's 9 hatch build from ASL Game 2
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Dawn of War IV Nintendo Switch Thread ZeroSpace Megathread General RTS Discussion Thread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread SPIRED by.ASL Mafia {211640}
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine YouTube Thread Dating: How's your luck?
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Korean Music Discussion Series you have seen recently...
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread NBA General Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023 TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
SC2 Client Relocalization [Change SC2 Language] Linksys AE2500 USB WIFI keeps disconnecting Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
Saturation point
Uldridge
DnB/metal remix FFO Mick Go…
ImbaTosS
Why we need SC3
Hildegard
Career Paths and Skills for …
TrAiDoS
Reality "theory" prov…
perfectspheres
Our Last Hope in th…
KrillinFromwales
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1670 users

[WCS] Summer Tour DreamHack Montreal 2016 - Page 9

Forum Index > StarCraft 2 Tournaments
Post a Reply
Prev 1 7 8 9 10 11 274 Next
darklycid
Profile Joined May 2014
3515 Posts
August 12 2016 16:23 GMT
#161
On August 13 2016 01:20 Ej_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2016 01:18 brickrd wrote:
so is foreign play stronger in lotv or is hydra just not any good anymore

hydra is bad versus protoss
---------------------------------------------------
it would be great if LR threads could be LR threads and not "I'm a game designer AMA"

Agreed.
BTT: The winner of Showtime Heromarine should get another Esl Meisterschafts title added :D
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
August 12 2016 16:24 GMT
#162
On August 13 2016 01:16 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2016 01:12 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On August 13 2016 01:08 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On August 13 2016 01:05 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On August 13 2016 01:04 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On August 13 2016 01:01 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On August 13 2016 00:56 blade55555 wrote:
Man mass adepts and shading every 2 seconds still dumb. Can spam it so stupidly TT.

I think it should cost X shield to activate it, that could be interesting


Just increasing the cooldown is a cleaner and better change..

I wouldn't call that better, it's simpler for sure though.


Adding a shield tax, de-incentives using shading at all in some circumstances (and there isn't even any difficult decision making involved--if there's an engagement soon don't shade), which isn't something you want on an ability.

Having a shield tax on it makes it so it's only really useful for multitasking between bases and the longer it's going on the worse it gets. You also probably don't want to shade directly on an enemey army anymore. I quite like that tbh.
To be clear: There probably wouldn't be any cooldown on it anymore at all though, you don't need cooldown and "energy".


Having a shield tax means people will only ever use shading to either scout or shade into mineral lines and right click on workers. It looks like it only preserves the worst aspect of shades.

Show nested quote +
On August 13 2016 01:11 darklycid wrote:
Imho they need to test to remove Shade give adepts some serious movement speed(upgrade?)


So they'd just be zealots that are better against light units early on.


What do you mean only the worst aspects of shades? Which "positive" aspects would be lost? I don't think that shading on top of an enemy army is positive at all btw. Obviously the implementation makes also a difference (when to lose the shield exactly, when you activate the ability or when you actually shade, etc)
Not saying this is perfect by any means, but imo it's more interesting and better "balanced" than just increasing the cooldown.
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
207aicila
Profile Joined January 2015
1237 Posts
August 12 2016 16:24 GMT
#163
Has played 5 games and Welmu beat Hydra, but there's only 8 pages.

What's the meaning of this?
mfw people who never followed BW speak about sAviOr as if they know anything... -___-''''
TL+ Member
Arvendilin
Profile Joined February 2013
Germany1878 Posts
August 12 2016 16:24 GMT
#164
Gogo ShoWtime, represent germany and defeat this dirty... ohh german...
My heroes: Jangbi, Bisu, Stork and BeSt for BW, Rain, Zest and Stats for SC2! Need a better Signature tbh...
Rehio
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1718 Posts
August 12 2016 16:24 GMT
#165
On August 13 2016 01:22 EatingBomber wrote:
Why is the downtime so long, especially when all players play only one 1 bo5?


Because setting up equipment and configuring settings on a new set-up is not an instantaneous process.
Knatterking
Profile Joined April 2014
Germany405 Posts
August 12 2016 16:25 GMT
#166
Feels like it's been ages since I've last seen Apollo...
darklycid
Profile Joined May 2014
3515 Posts
August 12 2016 16:25 GMT
#167
WTF happened to Apollos hair :O
brickrd
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
United States4894 Posts
August 12 2016 16:25 GMT
#168
On August 13 2016 01:19 Solar424 wrote:
Honestly, every unit that was added or dramatically changed in LotV has been trouble. At this point LotV is so flawed Blizzard should just start over from scratch: revert to HotS or even WoL over the offseason and work from there. LotV is just too broken to save.

nah lotv fixed sc2
TL+ Member
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
August 12 2016 16:25 GMT
#169
On August 13 2016 01:25 Knatterking wrote:
Feels like it's been ages since I've last seen Apollo...

He's mostly behind the scenes now, that's why
Neosteel Enthusiast
Arvendilin
Profile Joined February 2013
Germany1878 Posts
August 12 2016 16:25 GMT
#170
On August 13 2016 01:25 Knatterking wrote:
Feels like it's been ages since I've last seen Apollo...

He's been busy at all the global events, hehehe

...

...

I feel sad now
My heroes: Jangbi, Bisu, Stork and BeSt for BW, Rain, Zest and Stats for SC2! Need a better Signature tbh...
lastride
Profile Joined April 2014
2390 Posts
August 12 2016 16:26 GMT
#171
We started the new series with guess what..mass adepts
GumBa
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United Kingdom31935 Posts
August 12 2016 16:26 GMT
#172
On August 13 2016 01:25 Knatterking wrote:
Feels like it's been ages since I've last seen Apollo...

He's busy hunting down koreans that escape from Korea.
To all the haters: you deserve to witness many, many more Serral victories, worthy of the godlike player he is.
Arvendilin
Profile Joined February 2013
Germany1878 Posts
August 12 2016 16:26 GMT
#173
On August 13 2016 01:25 brickrd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2016 01:19 Solar424 wrote:
Honestly, every unit that was added or dramatically changed in LotV has been trouble. At this point LotV is so flawed Blizzard should just start over from scratch: revert to HotS or even WoL over the offseason and work from there. LotV is just too broken to save.

nah lotv fixed sc2

I like it a lot, so much that I'm kinda sad we are seeing more Colosus again :0
My heroes: Jangbi, Bisu, Stork and BeSt for BW, Rain, Zest and Stats for SC2! Need a better Signature tbh...
OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
August 12 2016 16:26 GMT
#174
On August 13 2016 01:14 TheLordofAwesome wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2016 01:06 OtherWorld wrote:
On August 13 2016 01:02 TheLordofAwesome wrote:
On August 13 2016 00:56 OtherWorld wrote:
On August 13 2016 00:12 TheLordofAwesome wrote:
On August 12 2016 21:25 OtherWorld wrote:
Taking sigbets on this, max 3 people per sigbet.
-> 1 week sigbet that there's no North American (defined as"of American or Canadian citizenship") in the quarterfinals ; 2 weeks sigbet that there's no North American in the semifinals ; 1 month sigbet that there's no North American in the finals.
-> 1 month sigbet that there's no Korean in the finals
-> 1 week sigbet that there's at one of PiLiPiLi, iAsonu, Has, or TooDming advances to the Ro16
-> 1 month sigbet that PtitDrogo beats Bunny

I'll take no Korean in the finals.

EDIT: Panda this is not Dreamhack Valencia.

Still up for it?

Yes, Hydra has been awful throughout all of Legacy. I expect him to do worst of all the Koreans here.

Wait, to be clear, I bet that there's no Korean in the finals, and you bet the opposite, right?

Yes. I believe in Polt.

OK, we have a deal.
Used Sigs - New Sigs - Cheap Sigs - Buy the Best Cheap Sig near You at www.cheapsigforsale.com
Luolis
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Finland7139 Posts
August 12 2016 16:27 GMT
#175
On August 13 2016 01:25 brickrd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2016 01:19 Solar424 wrote:
Honestly, every unit that was added or dramatically changed in LotV has been trouble. At this point LotV is so flawed Blizzard should just start over from scratch: revert to HotS or even WoL over the offseason and work from there. LotV is just too broken to save.

nah lotv fixed sc2

Aww hell no
pro cheese woman / Its never Sunny in Finland. Perkele / FinnishStarcraftTrivia
OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
August 12 2016 16:28 GMT
#176
On August 12 2016 21:25 OtherWorld wrote:
Taking sigbets on this, max 3 people per sigbet.
-> 1 week sigbet that there's no North American (defined as"of American or Canadian citizenship") in the quarterfinals ; 2 weeks sigbet that there's no North American in the semifinals ; 1 month sigbet that there's no North American in the finals.
-> 1 month sigbet that there's no Korean in the finals
-> 1 week sigbet that there's at one of PiLiPiLi, iAsonu, Has, or TooDming advances to the Ro16
-> 1 month sigbet that PtitDrogo beats Bunny

Still offering these bets btw
Used Sigs - New Sigs - Cheap Sigs - Buy the Best Cheap Sig near You at www.cheapsigforsale.com
Ace Frehley
Profile Joined December 2012
2030 Posts
August 12 2016 16:28 GMT
#177
Lol, first welmu, now showtime with adept only
This is so stupid
...
Noonius
Profile Joined April 2012
Estonia17413 Posts
August 12 2016 16:28 GMT
#178
On August 13 2016 01:25 darklycid wrote:
WTF happened to Apollos hair :O


he's corporate now, a suit, works for The Man

Terran forever | Maru hater forever
Knatterking
Profile Joined April 2014
Germany405 Posts
August 12 2016 16:28 GMT
#179
The guys keep saying Leipzig like Leipzisch, is that really how they pronounce it over there?
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-12 16:30:35
August 12 2016 16:29 GMT
#180
On August 13 2016 01:24 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2016 01:16 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On August 13 2016 01:12 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On August 13 2016 01:08 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On August 13 2016 01:05 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On August 13 2016 01:04 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On August 13 2016 01:01 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On August 13 2016 00:56 blade55555 wrote:
Man mass adepts and shading every 2 seconds still dumb. Can spam it so stupidly TT.

I think it should cost X shield to activate it, that could be interesting


Just increasing the cooldown is a cleaner and better change..

I wouldn't call that better, it's simpler for sure though.


Adding a shield tax, de-incentives using shading at all in some circumstances (and there isn't even any difficult decision making involved--if there's an engagement soon don't shade), which isn't something you want on an ability.

Having a shield tax on it makes it so it's only really useful for multitasking between bases and the longer it's going on the worse it gets. You also probably don't want to shade directly on an enemey army anymore. I quite like that tbh.
To be clear: There probably wouldn't be any cooldown on it anymore at all though, you don't need cooldown and "energy".


Having a shield tax means people will only ever use shading to either scout or shade into mineral lines and right click on workers. It looks like it only preserves the worst aspect of shades.

On August 13 2016 01:11 darklycid wrote:
Imho they need to test to remove Shade give adepts some serious movement speed(upgrade?)


So they'd just be zealots that are better against light units early on.


What do you mean only the worst aspects of shades? Which "positive" aspects would be lost? I don't think that shading on top of an enemy army is positive at all btw. Obviously the implementation makes also a difference (when to lose the shield exactly, when you activate the ability or when you actually shade, etc)
Not saying this is perfect by any means, but imo it's more interesting and better "balanced" than just increasing the cooldown.


Using shades for defense, flanking, midmap mobility, splitting, avoiding liberator zones or even shading onto armies are all more positive than right clicking on workers imo. Having weird downsides for the sake of being more "interesting" is a huge red flag too. As for being better "balanced" the issue with adepts has been design more so than balance, what bothers me is that your change rewards you for not using the ability, something you shouldn't want on an ability.
Prev 1 7 8 9 10 11 274 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Replay Cast
23:00
WardiTV Mondays #58
LiquipediaDiscussion
OSC
22:00
Masters Cup 150 Open Qual
davetesta77
Liquipedia
LAN Event
18:00
Day 3: Ursa 2v2, FFA
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
RuFF_SC2 161
NeuroSwarm 154
ProTech129
StarCraft: Brood War
Calm 6436
Artosis 675
Shuttle 631
Other Games
tarik_tv12348
summit1g9168
Day[9].tv574
JimRising 322
C9.Mang0241
WinterStarcraft184
ViBE163
FrodaN148
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick875
Counter-Strike
PGL130
Other Games
BasetradeTV91
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Sammyuel 3
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• masondota21731
Other Games
• Scarra591
• Day9tv574
Upcoming Events
OSC
9h 14m
LAN Event
12h 14m
Korean StarCraft League
1d
CranKy Ducklings
1d 7h
LAN Event
1d 12h
IPSL
1d 15h
dxtr13 vs OldBoy
Napoleon vs Doodle
BSL 21
1d 17h
Gosudark vs Kyrie
Gypsy vs Sterling
UltrA vs Radley
Dandy vs Ptak
Replay Cast
1d 20h
Sparkling Tuna Cup
2 days
WardiTV Korean Royale
2 days
[ Show More ]
LAN Event
2 days
IPSL
2 days
JDConan vs WIZARD
WolFix vs Cross
BSL 21
2 days
spx vs rasowy
HBO vs KameZerg
Cross vs Razz
dxtr13 vs ZZZero
Replay Cast
3 days
Wardi Open
3 days
WardiTV Korean Royale
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
Kung Fu Cup
5 days
Classic vs Solar
herO vs Cure
Reynor vs GuMiho
ByuN vs ShoWTimE
Tenacious Turtle Tussle
5 days
The PondCast
6 days
RSL Revival
6 days
Solar vs Zoun
MaxPax vs Bunny
Kung Fu Cup
6 days
WardiTV Korean Royale
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

BSL 21 Points
SC4ALL: StarCraft II
Eternal Conflict S1

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 4
SOOP Univ League 2025
YSL S2
Stellar Fest: Constellation Cup
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual

Upcoming

BSL Season 21
SLON Tour Season 2
BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
HSC XXVIII
RSL Offline Finals
WardiTV 2025
RSL Revival: Season 3
META Madness #9
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026: Closed Qualifier
eXTREMESLAND 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
SL Budapest Major 2025
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.