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royalroadweed
Profile Joined April 2013
United States8301 Posts
August 12 2016 16:29 GMT
#181
Maruthermal so good his offrace is one of the best zergs in europe.
"Nerfing Toss can just make them stronger"
Solar424
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
United States4001 Posts
August 12 2016 16:29 GMT
#182
On August 13 2016 01:25 brickrd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2016 01:19 Solar424 wrote:
Honestly, every unit that was added or dramatically changed in LotV has been trouble. At this point LotV is so flawed Blizzard should just start over from scratch: revert to HotS or even WoL over the offseason and work from there. LotV is just too broken to save.

nah lotv fixed sc2

Adepts and liberators killing worker lines for next to nothing, TvZ hinging entirely on whether or not Zerg can get Ultralisks out, and PvP being a game of "who doesn't lose their entire army to one Disruptor shot" is fixed to you? Viewership is at an all-time low and it's easy to see why.
Noonius
Profile Joined April 2012
Estonia17413 Posts
August 12 2016 16:30 GMT
#183
On August 13 2016 01:28 Knatterking wrote:
The guys keep saying Leipzig like Leipzisch, is that really how they pronounce it over there?


at least they are trying, the funniest one I have heard over the years was Lipszig
Terran forever | Maru hater forever
Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24604 Posts
August 12 2016 16:30 GMT
#184
On August 13 2016 01:28 Knatterking wrote:
The guys keep saying Leipzig like Leipzisch, is that really how they pronounce it over there?


For some reason a lot of people pronounce it like that in English. I thought it was pronounced like that as well but then some Germans laughed at me.
Ludwigvan
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany2373 Posts
August 12 2016 16:30 GMT
#185
Showtime is toying with Heromarine
Luolis
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Finland7196 Posts
August 12 2016 16:30 GMT
#186
LETS GO SERRAL!
pro cheese woman / Its never Sunny in Finland. Perkele / FinnishStarcraftTrivia
EatingBomber
Profile Joined August 2015
1017 Posts
August 12 2016 16:30 GMT
#187
On August 13 2016 01:28 OtherWorld wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2016 21:25 OtherWorld wrote:
Taking sigbets on this, max 3 people per sigbet.
-> 1 week sigbet that there's no North American (defined as"of American or Canadian citizenship") in the quarterfinals ; 2 weeks sigbet that there's no North American in the semifinals ; 1 month sigbet that there's no North American in the finals.
-> 1 month sigbet that there's no Korean in the finals
-> 1 week sigbet that there's at one of PiLiPiLi, iAsonu, Has, or TooDming advances to the Ro16
-> 1 month sigbet that PtitDrogo beats Bunny

Still offering these bets btw

taking this up; i think polt gets to finals
VHbb
Profile Joined October 2014
692 Posts
August 12 2016 16:32 GMT
#188
This constant whine in the LR threads (ok, in any threads - I'm surprised people are not bashing Lotv in the Olympics thread) is a bit annoying.. can't you just enjoy the games?

Yes sure WoL was sooo much better than Lotv (....), but this is a thread on a Lotv tournament..
My life for Aiur !
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
August 12 2016 16:32 GMT
#189
On August 13 2016 01:29 Solar424 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2016 01:25 brickrd wrote:
On August 13 2016 01:19 Solar424 wrote:
Honestly, every unit that was added or dramatically changed in LotV has been trouble. At this point LotV is so flawed Blizzard should just start over from scratch: revert to HotS or even WoL over the offseason and work from there. LotV is just too broken to save.

nah lotv fixed sc2

Adepts and liberators killing worker lines for next to nothing, TvZ hinging entirely on whether or not Zerg can get Ultralisks out, and PvP being a game of "who doesn't lose their entire army to one Disruptor shot" is fixed to you? Viewership is at an all-time low and it's easy to see why.


Have you watched a PvP over the last several months?
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
August 12 2016 16:32 GMT
#190
On August 13 2016 01:28 OtherWorld wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2016 21:25 OtherWorld wrote:
Taking sigbets on this, max 3 people per sigbet.
-> 1 week sigbet that there's no North American (defined as"of American or Canadian citizenship") in the quarterfinals ; 2 weeks sigbet that there's no North American in the semifinals ; 1 month sigbet that there's no North American in the finals.
-> 1 month sigbet that there's no Korean in the finals
-> 1 week sigbet that there's at one of PiLiPiLi, iAsonu, Has, or TooDming advances to the Ro16
-> 1 month sigbet that PtitDrogo beats Bunny

Still offering these bets btw

I'll take you up on the last one, Bunny will win no problem
Neosteel Enthusiast
brickrd
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
United States4894 Posts
August 12 2016 16:33 GMT
#191
On August 13 2016 01:29 Solar424 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2016 01:25 brickrd wrote:
On August 13 2016 01:19 Solar424 wrote:
Honestly, every unit that was added or dramatically changed in LotV has been trouble. At this point LotV is so flawed Blizzard should just start over from scratch: revert to HotS or even WoL over the offseason and work from there. LotV is just too broken to save.

nah lotv fixed sc2

Adepts and liberators killing worker lines for next to nothing, TvZ hinging entirely on whether or not Zerg can get Ultralisks out, and PvP being a game of "who doesn't lose their entire army to one Disruptor shot" is fixed to you? Viewership is at an all-time low and it's easy to see why.

i play both zerg and protoss and as a player i don't have the issues you're describing, and the pro games i watch are not in any way worse than hots. they're generally faster (which is always better) and more dependent on aggression and micro. as for ladder and mid level players, you can literally still play however the fuck you want and the main difference is that the games are faster, which again is a huge improvement
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Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24604 Posts
August 12 2016 16:33 GMT
#192
On August 13 2016 01:32 VHbb wrote:
This constant whine in the LR threads (ok, in any threads - I'm surprised people are not bashing Lotv in the Olympics thread) is a bit annoying.. can't you just enjoy the games?

Yes sure WoL was sooo much better than Lotv (....), but this is a thread on a Lotv tournament..


Yeah, very much so.
Arvendilin
Profile Joined February 2013
Germany1878 Posts
August 12 2016 16:34 GMT
#193
On August 13 2016 01:29 Solar424 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2016 01:25 brickrd wrote:
On August 13 2016 01:19 Solar424 wrote:
Honestly, every unit that was added or dramatically changed in LotV has been trouble. At this point LotV is so flawed Blizzard should just start over from scratch: revert to HotS or even WoL over the offseason and work from there. LotV is just too broken to save.

nah lotv fixed sc2

Adepts and liberators killing worker lines for next to nothing, TvZ hinging entirely on whether or not Zerg can get Ultralisks out, and PvP being a game of "who doesn't lose their entire army to one Disruptor shot" is fixed to you? Viewership is at an all-time low and it's easy to see why.

PvP hasn't been about Disruptor shots for a while now, it is actually Roach vs Roach just with Adepts instead of Roaches in KR now, upgrades don't matter, nothing matter, other than super high defenders advantage and the amount of Adepts you have, I'd gladly take the Disruptor battles back
My heroes: Jangbi, Bisu, Stork and BeSt for BW, Rain, Zest and Stats for SC2! Need a better Signature tbh...
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
August 12 2016 16:34 GMT
#194
On August 13 2016 01:32 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2016 01:28 OtherWorld wrote:
On August 12 2016 21:25 OtherWorld wrote:
Taking sigbets on this, max 3 people per sigbet.
-> 1 week sigbet that there's no North American (defined as"of American or Canadian citizenship") in the quarterfinals ; 2 weeks sigbet that there's no North American in the semifinals ; 1 month sigbet that there's no North American in the finals.
-> 1 month sigbet that there's no Korean in the finals
-> 1 week sigbet that there's at one of PiLiPiLi, iAsonu, Has, or TooDming advances to the Ro16
-> 1 month sigbet that PtitDrogo beats Bunny

Still offering these bets btw

I'll take you up on the last one, Bunny will win no problem

I'll take the Bunny bet too.
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
GumBa
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United Kingdom31935 Posts
August 12 2016 16:34 GMT
#195
Bunny stills plays sc2?
To all the haters: you deserve to witness many, many more Serral victories, worthy of the godlike player he is.
Luolis
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Finland7196 Posts
August 12 2016 16:34 GMT
#196
On August 13 2016 01:33 brickrd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2016 01:29 Solar424 wrote:
On August 13 2016 01:25 brickrd wrote:
On August 13 2016 01:19 Solar424 wrote:
Honestly, every unit that was added or dramatically changed in LotV has been trouble. At this point LotV is so flawed Blizzard should just start over from scratch: revert to HotS or even WoL over the offseason and work from there. LotV is just too broken to save.

nah lotv fixed sc2

Adepts and liberators killing worker lines for next to nothing, TvZ hinging entirely on whether or not Zerg can get Ultralisks out, and PvP being a game of "who doesn't lose their entire army to one Disruptor shot" is fixed to you? Viewership is at an all-time low and it's easy to see why.

i play both zerg and protoss and as a player i don't have the issues you're describing, and the pro games i watch are not in any way worse than hots. they're generally faster (which is always better) and more dependent on aggression and micro. as for ladder and mid level players, you can literally still play however the fuck you want and the main difference is that the games are faster, which again is a huge improvement

I disagree with games being faster being an improvement. I thought the previous pace was much better.
pro cheese woman / Its never Sunny in Finland. Perkele / FinnishStarcraftTrivia
EatingBomber
Profile Joined August 2015
1017 Posts
August 12 2016 16:34 GMT
#197
On August 13 2016 01:33 brickrd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2016 01:29 Solar424 wrote:
On August 13 2016 01:25 brickrd wrote:
On August 13 2016 01:19 Solar424 wrote:
Honestly, every unit that was added or dramatically changed in LotV has been trouble. At this point LotV is so flawed Blizzard should just start over from scratch: revert to HotS or even WoL over the offseason and work from there. LotV is just too broken to save.

nah lotv fixed sc2

Adepts and liberators killing worker lines for next to nothing, TvZ hinging entirely on whether or not Zerg can get Ultralisks out, and PvP being a game of "who doesn't lose their entire army to one Disruptor shot" is fixed to you? Viewership is at an all-time low and it's easy to see why.

i play both zerg and protoss and as a player i don't have the issues you're describing, and the pro games i watch are not in any way worse than hots. they're generally faster (which is always better) and more dependent on aggression and micro. as for ladder and mid level players, you can literally still play however the fuck you want and the main difference is that the games are faster, which again is a huge improvement

Faster games being better is only an opinion
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
August 12 2016 16:35 GMT
#198
On August 13 2016 01:29 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2016 01:24 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On August 13 2016 01:16 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On August 13 2016 01:12 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On August 13 2016 01:08 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On August 13 2016 01:05 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On August 13 2016 01:04 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On August 13 2016 01:01 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On August 13 2016 00:56 blade55555 wrote:
Man mass adepts and shading every 2 seconds still dumb. Can spam it so stupidly TT.

I think it should cost X shield to activate it, that could be interesting


Just increasing the cooldown is a cleaner and better change..

I wouldn't call that better, it's simpler for sure though.


Adding a shield tax, de-incentives using shading at all in some circumstances (and there isn't even any difficult decision making involved--if there's an engagement soon don't shade), which isn't something you want on an ability.

Having a shield tax on it makes it so it's only really useful for multitasking between bases and the longer it's going on the worse it gets. You also probably don't want to shade directly on an enemey army anymore. I quite like that tbh.
To be clear: There probably wouldn't be any cooldown on it anymore at all though, you don't need cooldown and "energy".


Having a shield tax means people will only ever use shading to either scout or shade into mineral lines and right click on workers. It looks like it only preserves the worst aspect of shades.

On August 13 2016 01:11 darklycid wrote:
Imho they need to test to remove Shade give adepts some serious movement speed(upgrade?)


So they'd just be zealots that are better against light units early on.


What do you mean only the worst aspects of shades? Which "positive" aspects would be lost? I don't think that shading on top of an enemy army is positive at all btw. Obviously the implementation makes also a difference (when to lose the shield exactly, when you activate the ability or when you actually shade, etc)
Not saying this is perfect by any means, but imo it's more interesting and better "balanced" than just increasing the cooldown.


Using shades for defense, flanking, midmap mobility, splitting, avoiding liberator zones or even shading onto armies are all more positive than right clicking on workers imo. Having weird downsides for the sake of being more "interesting" is a huge red flag too. As for being better "balanced" the issue with adepts has been design more so than balance, what bothers me is that your change rewards you for not using the ability, something you shouldn't want on an ability.

That's really dependant on how much shield it would cost tbh. I would say there is a cost to using the ability which is a bit more severe than a simple cooldown. Let's say 10 shields are lost if you actually shade somewhere, i don't think that would be too bad, But sure i can see where you are coming from i guess.
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OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
August 12 2016 16:35 GMT
#199
On August 13 2016 01:30 EatingBomber wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2016 01:28 OtherWorld wrote:
On August 12 2016 21:25 OtherWorld wrote:
Taking sigbets on this, max 3 people per sigbet.
-> 1 week sigbet that there's no North American (defined as"of American or Canadian citizenship") in the quarterfinals ; 2 weeks sigbet that there's no North American in the semifinals ; 1 month sigbet that there's no North American in the finals.
-> 1 month sigbet that there's no Korean in the finals
-> 1 week sigbet that there's at one of PiLiPiLi, iAsonu, Has, or TooDming advances to the Ro16
-> 1 month sigbet that PtitDrogo beats Bunny

Still offering these bets btw

taking this up; i think polt gets to finals

On August 13 2016 01:32 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2016 01:28 OtherWorld wrote:
On August 12 2016 21:25 OtherWorld wrote:
Taking sigbets on this, max 3 people per sigbet.
-> 1 week sigbet that there's no North American (defined as"of American or Canadian citizenship") in the quarterfinals ; 2 weeks sigbet that there's no North American in the semifinals ; 1 month sigbet that there's no North American in the finals.
-> 1 month sigbet that there's no Korean in the finals
-> 1 week sigbet that there's at one of PiLiPiLi, iAsonu, Has, or TooDming advances to the Ro16
-> 1 month sigbet that PtitDrogo beats Bunny

Still offering these bets btw

I'll take you up on the last one, Bunny will win no problem

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Arvendilin
Profile Joined February 2013
Germany1878 Posts
August 12 2016 16:36 GMT
#200
uhoh, boys, the proxies are starting!
My heroes: Jangbi, Bisu, Stork and BeSt for BW, Rain, Zest and Stats for SC2! Need a better Signature tbh...
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