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On June 19 2016 18:48 Nerchio wrote:
So how exactly do you stop this stupid strategy?
By not wasting so much resource on cyclones and its stupid upgrade when you could have made tanks or mines
By not moving out for no reason and have almost all your marines and cyclones get caught by 4 oracles and a bunch of adepts in the middle of the map
By not staying on 2 bases when Protoss took 3rd a while ago
Instead of getting ready to whine at every opportunity, maybe you should have actually watched the game.
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On June 19 2016 18:52 MperorM1 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2016 18:51 Clonester wrote:On June 19 2016 18:50 RaFox17 wrote:On June 19 2016 18:49 Clonester wrote:On June 19 2016 18:48 Nerchio wrote:
So how exactly do you stop this stupid strategy? If it is perfect executed, you dont. If not, Liberators. Aren´t they too slow to kill them before everything you have is dead? Not really: You need the libs to get off a warpprism that fucks up your army-positioning with adept drops. Then you build a wall (go trump?) at the natural and let the protoss pay for it by giving them the taste of freedom dosed in zones. then protoss takes third and you are behind
when he has only adepts with no tech you aren't really behind.
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On June 19 2016 18:54 EatingBomber wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2016 18:54 [PkF] Wire wrote:
all that being said some kind of adept nerf (at least something about the shade cooldown) should be on the cards heh heh what about the shade not giving any vision
well it would take away a lot of the interesting scouting mechanics, not sure about that one
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On June 19 2016 18:54 [PkF] Wire wrote:
all that being said some kind of adept nerf (at least something about the shade cooldown) should be on the cards
They can shade too often so protoss needs to do a mistake to get punished, when their shade finishes they can shade again really quickly, should be nerfed at least a couple of seconds like 3. Protoss is too forgiving overall with warp prism range + MSC recall/pylon + units like sentries/adepts/stalkers
On June 19 2016 18:55 PPN wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2016 18:48 Nerchio wrote:
So how exactly do you stop this stupid strategy? By not wasting so much resource on cyclones and its stupid upgrade when you could have made tanks or mines By not moving out for no reason and have almost all your marines and cyclones get caught by 4 oracles and a bunch of adepts in the middle of the map By not staying on 2 bases when Protoss took 3rd a while ago Instead of getting ready to whine at every opportunity, maybe you should have actually watched the game.
He moved out because that was the idea of making marine/cyclone .. to punish what Hero was doing
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On June 19 2016 18:56 Nerchio wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2016 18:54 [PkF] Wire wrote:
all that being said some kind of adept nerf (at least something about the shade cooldown) should be on the cards They can shade too often so protoss needs to do a mistake to get punished, when their shade finishes they can shade again really quickly, should be nerfed at least a couple of seconds like 3. Protoss is too forgiving overall with warp prism range + MSC recall/pylon + units like sentries/adepts/stalkers
I definitely agree with nerfing the shade cooldown, even heavily ; you're right, the problem with the shade is how forgiving it is currently. If you nerf the cooldown (even double it) you don't affect Protoss' ability to take good engages with shades but you nerf to the ground all those idiotic mass adepts strategies, which is good.
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Intense micro battle boys.
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On June 19 2016 18:54 Clonester wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2016 18:52 MperorM1 wrote:On June 19 2016 18:51 Clonester wrote:On June 19 2016 18:50 RaFox17 wrote:On June 19 2016 18:49 Clonester wrote:On June 19 2016 18:48 Nerchio wrote:
So how exactly do you stop this stupid strategy? If it is perfect executed, you dont. If not, Liberators. Aren´t they too slow to kill them before everything you have is dead? Not really: You need the libs to get off a warpprism that fucks up your army-positioning with adept drops. Then you build a wall (go trump?) at the natural and let the protoss pay for it by giving them the taste of freedom dosed in zones. then protoss takes third and you are behind Then you send your liberators over and bring freedom to their baes. And a drop or 2. And in normal games, you are always behind against protoss, you cant change it. You have seen that he can just take a Third while mass adepting. You cant fight a protoss third as terran on equal at the moment. Terrans have to live with the insane protoss economy. We have seen in this game, that Zest took his natural far later then bomber, still he had more probes all the time.
I wouldn't say "behind" as it's standard that protoss has more bases same as zerg always has more bases than terran.
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I thought MC was supposed to be the one to pray to Inca 
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On June 19 2016 18:56 Nerchio wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2016 18:54 [PkF] Wire wrote:
all that being said some kind of adept nerf (at least something about the shade cooldown) should be on the cards They can shade too often so protoss needs to do a mistake to get punished, when their shade finishes they can shade again really quickly, should be nerfed at least a couple of seconds like 3. Protoss is too forgiving overall with warp prism range + MSC recall/pylon + units like sentries/adepts/stalkers Show nested quote +On June 19 2016 18:55 PPN wrote:On June 19 2016 18:48 Nerchio wrote:
So how exactly do you stop this stupid strategy? By not wasting so much resource on cyclones and its stupid upgrade when you could have made tanks or mines By not moving out for no reason and have almost all your marines and cyclones get caught by 4 oracles and a bunch of adepts in the middle of the map By not staying on 2 bases when Protoss took 3rd a while ago Instead of getting ready to whine at every opportunity, maybe you should have actually watched the game. He moved out because that was the idea of making marine/cyclone .. to punish what Hero was doing
a general rule in tvp is that you shouldn't be aggressive in early game outside of some liberator/mine harassment.
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On June 19 2016 18:58 showstealer1829 wrote:I thought MC was supposed to be the one to pray to Inca
Maybe he did and Inca has already warned him of what is coming.
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On June 19 2016 18:57 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2016 18:54 Clonester wrote:On June 19 2016 18:52 MperorM1 wrote:On June 19 2016 18:51 Clonester wrote:On June 19 2016 18:50 RaFox17 wrote:On June 19 2016 18:49 Clonester wrote:On June 19 2016 18:48 Nerchio wrote:
So how exactly do you stop this stupid strategy? If it is perfect executed, you dont. If not, Liberators. Aren´t they too slow to kill them before everything you have is dead? Not really: You need the libs to get off a warpprism that fucks up your army-positioning with adept drops. Then you build a wall (go trump?) at the natural and let the protoss pay for it by giving them the taste of freedom dosed in zones. then protoss takes third and you are behind Then you send your liberators over and bring freedom to their baes. And a drop or 2. And in normal games, you are always behind against protoss, you cant change it. You have seen that he can just take a Third while mass adepting. You cant fight a protoss third as terran on equal at the moment. Terrans have to live with the insane protoss economy. We have seen in this game, that Zest took his natural far later then bomber, still he had more probes all the time. I wouldn't say "behind" as it's standard that protoss has more bases same as zerg always has more bases than terran.
Protoss now has a faster economy then Zerg. In HOTS both races payed that with less army and more eco and you could punish them. Now he can have equal army with adepts (who are stronger then non stim/cs marines on same supply) and still is ahead 20 worker and a base.
It is balanced out by Terran having a really strong timing army with 2-2 MMM + Liberators against Protoss who miss mostly either units or storm when it hits. But you fall economicaly behind terran has to fight that later when he gets his "core" army
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I still can't get over how different Korean PvP is compared to foreign PvP.
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MC got caught offguard by that attack
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Poll: Recommend MC vs Super?If you have time. (7) 58% Good game. (4) 33% No. (1) 8% Very good game. (0) 0% One of the best games of the season. (0) 0% 12 total votes Your vote: Recommend MC vs Super? (Vote): No.
(Vote): If you have time.
(Vote): Good game.
(Vote): Very good game.
(Vote): One of the best games of the season.
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MC Classic? He means Zest
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EPT
