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intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
May 14 2016 14:27 GMT
#961
On May 14 2016 23:26 Soularion wrote:
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On May 14 2016 23:25 NarutO wrote:
On May 14 2016 23:23 Incognoto wrote:
On May 14 2016 23:23 Elentos wrote:
On May 14 2016 23:20 juvenal wrote:
On May 14 2016 23:00 IntoTheheart wrote:
On May 14 2016 23:00 juvenal wrote:
On May 14 2016 22:53 Elentos wrote:
On May 14 2016 22:52 Ej_ wrote:
On May 14 2016 22:51 travis wrote:
so people are mad because...?

sounds like the game worked how the game is programmed to work

because this wasnt actually a draw

Or it wouldn't have been if Strange had the balls to go kill him with the units he has. But if he was aware of the timer, that means he accepted the game would end in a tie.

the question is: will Polt demonstrate enough balls to forfeit this game, because he lost it fair and square.

Not according to the engine.

[image loading] hurr durr the engine is planet Earth's physics, get over it (that goal was never disallowed)! Right? Now do you wanna play the game or pick funny excuses?

Polt played for the draw and Strange gave him enough time to get there. That's a legitimate move in a game of Starcraft, and apparently Dreamhack hadn't accounted for this. Polt playing out the re-game was not a show of poor sportsmanship.


This, oh this!!

Don't get why people don't get that!


Because playing for a draw never before had a designer-put countdown in the game. I will put it like this:

The 3 minute timer could have forced Strange to rush things and actually make him lose the game while a slow methodical play got him the win yet Blizzard and Dreamhack decided he didnt win.

I don't see it that way. The timer is part of the game, a part of the game that Strange saw and realized, and he misplayed around it. He saw and was aware of this possibility of losing, and he misplayed anyway. If you want this to not happen in the future, make a rule about it.

I suspect that Blizzard will actualize a rule for this sort of thing after this tournament.
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Makro
Profile Joined March 2011
France16890 Posts
May 14 2016 14:27 GMT
#962
On May 14 2016 23:23 IntoTheheart wrote:
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On May 14 2016 23:23 Makro wrote:
come on ptitdrogod even if i think bunny's gonna win

Wow nice French passion. Was your baguette soggy this morning?

well my baguette + nutella this morning was good, but i don't want to be warned if i post some gif/pic :D
Matthew 5:10 "Blessed are those who are persecuted because of shitposting, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven".
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Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-14 14:28:20
May 14 2016 14:27 GMT
#963
On May 14 2016 23:26 Soularion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2016 23:25 NarutO wrote:
On May 14 2016 23:23 Incognoto wrote:
On May 14 2016 23:23 Elentos wrote:
On May 14 2016 23:20 juvenal wrote:
On May 14 2016 23:00 IntoTheheart wrote:
On May 14 2016 23:00 juvenal wrote:
On May 14 2016 22:53 Elentos wrote:
On May 14 2016 22:52 Ej_ wrote:
On May 14 2016 22:51 travis wrote:
so people are mad because...?

sounds like the game worked how the game is programmed to work

because this wasnt actually a draw

Or it wouldn't have been if Strange had the balls to go kill him with the units he has. But if he was aware of the timer, that means he accepted the game would end in a tie.

the question is: will Polt demonstrate enough balls to forfeit this game, because he lost it fair and square.

Not according to the engine.

[image loading] hurr durr the engine is planet Earth's physics, get over it (that goal was never disallowed)! Right? Now do you wanna play the game or pick funny excuses?

Polt played for the draw and Strange gave him enough time to get there. That's a legitimate move in a game of Starcraft, and apparently Dreamhack hadn't accounted for this. Polt playing out the re-game was not a show of poor sportsmanship.


This, oh this!!

Don't get why people don't get that!


Because playing for a draw never before had a designer-put countdown in the game. I will put it like this:

The 3 minute timer could have forced Strange to rush things and actually make him lose the game while a slow methodical play got him the win yet Blizzard and Dreamhack decided he didnt win.

I don't see it that way. The timer is part of the game, a part of the game that Strange saw and realized, and he misplayed around it. He saw and was aware of this possibility of losing, and he misplayed anyway. If you want this to not happen in the future, make a rule about it.


Blizz will 100% remove that shitty timer from custom games or at least any WCS tournament after this. No need for a rule.

And yes the timer is shitty, because it did not prevent a stalemate, it prevented a win.
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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55550 Posts
May 14 2016 14:28 GMT
#964
Incontrol & Tosis on the B-stream? Sounds really dank.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13974 Posts
May 14 2016 14:28 GMT
#965
On May 14 2016 23:27 Makro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2016 23:23 IntoTheheart wrote:
On May 14 2016 23:23 Makro wrote:
come on ptitdrogod even if i think bunny's gonna win

Wow nice French passion. Was your baguette soggy this morning?

well my baguette + nutella this morning was good, but i don't want to be warned if i post some gif/pic :D

Baguette + nutella...thats fucking genious
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DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44385 Posts
May 14 2016 14:28 GMT
#966
Forcefielded the ramp wayyyyy too late.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
fezvez
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
France3021 Posts
May 14 2016 14:28 GMT
#967
On May 14 2016 23:22 Cricketer12 wrote:
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On May 14 2016 23:19 Ej_ wrote:
On May 14 2016 23:19 Cricketer12 wrote:
On May 14 2016 23:17 kaykoose wrote:
One thing is clear: Polt has truly lost his Korean superpowers

Austin will do that...just as a reminder polt won a gsl by 4-ing mma

good for him, but that was long time ago back when he was actually good and not NA to the bone

I was making a comparison m8. Personally Im a polt fan because of mlg spring arena 2012. One of the few cases where a guy earned my respect by beating drg


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Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
May 14 2016 14:28 GMT
#968
On May 14 2016 23:25 NarutO wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2016 23:23 Incognoto wrote:
On May 14 2016 23:23 Elentos wrote:
On May 14 2016 23:20 juvenal wrote:
On May 14 2016 23:00 IntoTheheart wrote:
On May 14 2016 23:00 juvenal wrote:
On May 14 2016 22:53 Elentos wrote:
On May 14 2016 22:52 Ej_ wrote:
On May 14 2016 22:51 travis wrote:
so people are mad because...?

sounds like the game worked how the game is programmed to work

because this wasnt actually a draw

Or it wouldn't have been if Strange had the balls to go kill him with the units he has. But if he was aware of the timer, that means he accepted the game would end in a tie.

the question is: will Polt demonstrate enough balls to forfeit this game, because he lost it fair and square.

Not according to the engine.

[image loading] hurr durr the engine is planet Earth's physics, get over it (that goal was never disallowed)! Right? Now do you wanna play the game or pick funny excuses?

Polt played for the draw and Strange gave him enough time to get there. That's a legitimate move in a game of Starcraft, and apparently Dreamhack hadn't accounted for this. Polt playing out the re-game was not a show of poor sportsmanship.


This, oh this!!

Don't get why people don't get that!


Because playing for a draw never before had a designer-put countdown in the game. I will put it like this:

The 3 minute timer could have forced Strange to rush things and actually make him lose the game while a slow methodical play got him the win yet Blizzard and Dreamhack decided he didnt win.


Both players had the timers available to them though.

Either way, I understand your point, though I do not necessarily disagree. I suppose we must agree to disagree at this point.

That's just how down to the wire the match was.

I remember a similar situation in ForGG vs Firecake on that vel-something (vanni research station?) map (horizontal symmetry map, grey looking).
maru lover forever
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44385 Posts
May 14 2016 14:29 GMT
#969
On May 14 2016 23:28 Elentos wrote:
Incontrol & Tosis on the B-stream? Sounds really dank.


Obligatory:

"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Makro
Profile Joined March 2011
France16890 Posts
May 14 2016 14:29 GMT
#970
On May 14 2016 23:28 Cricketer12 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2016 23:27 Makro wrote:
On May 14 2016 23:23 IntoTheheart wrote:
On May 14 2016 23:23 Makro wrote:
come on ptitdrogod even if i think bunny's gonna win

Wow nice French passion. Was your baguette soggy this morning?

well my baguette + nutella this morning was good, but i don't want to be warned if i post some gif/pic :D

Baguette + nutella...thats fucking genious

that's the best use of a baguette
Matthew 5:10 "Blessed are those who are persecuted because of shitposting, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven".
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Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12886 Posts
May 14 2016 14:29 GMT
#971
On May 14 2016 23:23 NarutO wrote:
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On May 14 2016 23:19 Makro wrote:
at the end of the day that was an admin decision, you can't hate polt for this



fnatic had to give up her game vs LDLC when they abused pixelboosts with olof on Overpass. I believe the "anti ladder statemate" timer shouldnt be a WCS rule and is not in the rulebook, is it? Polt could have agreed that it was a loss as it was. He would have lost the marines + building. In my book; bad admin call and worse decision by Polt to take the rematch.

Simply not very mannered.

Wtf it's not about manners, it's a legitimate strategy (the only one available for Polt) to play for a draw. It was still super easy for Strange to win it but he was too scared to do it.
If you want people not to play for draws you actually have to state it beforehands or change or the game is designed.

You could say "hey this guy is not very mannered because he takes a strong race" but it's not a matter of manners it's a matter of integrity / trying to win.
If Polt forfeited it would have been like a fix because he earned the right to do a rematch.
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ruoning
Profile Joined May 2016
1 Post
May 14 2016 14:30 GMT
#972
POLT! GO BACK YOUR KR!!

I cant believe it the BUG won the game!
Yiome
Profile Joined February 2014
China1687 Posts
May 14 2016 14:30 GMT
#973
Wow Bunny
Nice target fire
ArtyK
Profile Joined June 2011
France3143 Posts
May 14 2016 14:30 GMT
#974
Drogos PvT is so bad
Sup dood ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ KiWiKaKi | SLush | uThermal | PtitDrogo | SortOf | Clem ~ "I told my mom she should vote for me in Nation Wars, she said 'I dunno, I kinda want Finland to win'" – Luolis ~ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_NScWV9h8k#t=1h01m
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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55550 Posts
May 14 2016 14:30 GMT
#975
Wow, Bunny is playing really well. I'm actually a bit surprised.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
ossavi09
Profile Joined October 2014
Germany441 Posts
May 14 2016 14:30 GMT
#976
so, automated tournaments have a mechanic to decide who gets the win in that kind of situation, but real tournaments don't? pretty weird...
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44385 Posts
May 14 2016 14:31 GMT
#977
Bunny with a comfortable win here.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Fig
Profile Joined March 2010
United States1324 Posts
May 14 2016 14:31 GMT
#978
It's really the tournament's fault if they didn't have a rule in place about the timer. Looking back, the best course of action might have been to pause right when the timer appeared and find out how the admins wanted to proceed. However, Polt could have argued he had played the entire game while thinking of the possibility of a timer win.
Can't elope with my cantaloupe
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55550 Posts
May 14 2016 14:31 GMT
#979
On May 14 2016 23:30 ruoning wrote:
POLT! GO BACK YOUR KR!!

I cant believe it the BUG won the game!

It's not a bug, it's a feature. For real this time.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Makro
Profile Joined March 2011
France16890 Posts
May 14 2016 14:31 GMT
#980
ptitdrogod not cold blooded enough
Matthew 5:10 "Blessed are those who are persecuted because of shitposting, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven".
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