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Mangooza
Profile Joined November 2015
89 Posts
May 14 2016 13:58 GMT
#701
On May 14 2016 22:57 Inflicted wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2016 22:56 NarutO wrote:
On May 14 2016 22:54 pmp10 wrote:
If the timer was visible then it's a draw.
A dumb unfair draw but still a draw.


I believe the auto-mechanic to prevent ladder abuse shouldnt decide and especially change a result of a WCS tournament. Strange won at that point.


In the future, it should be changed. But you can't award this win when Polt was playing towards the timer draw

Afraid so also. Genius Polt. Won't ever happen again though in for future tournaments.
NarutO
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Germany18839 Posts
May 14 2016 13:59 GMT
#702
It will be regamed 2-2.

I asked why and was told not to argue. Worst decision ever.
CommentatorPolt | MMA | Jjakji | BoxeR | NaDa | MVP | MKP ... truly inspiring.
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
May 14 2016 13:59 GMT
#703
they are playing starcraft 2.. you can't change the rules you are playing under DURING the tournament, if you do that's complete bullshit
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46210 Posts
May 14 2016 13:59 GMT
#704
On May 14 2016 22:55 Incognoto wrote:
I don't understand why people are mad.

There are win conditions for Starcraft. Kill all buildings.

There are draw conditions for Starcraft. We had draw conditions.

Polt tried to bring the game to draw conditions, rather than resigning. Why are people mad? Nerchio, Bunny, etc. you're all wrong, sorry.

Strange had to know the draw conditions and know that a timer was on his ass. He was indecisive, thus a draw took place. All there is to it!


Agreed. It's very straightforward, but people are knee-jerk reacting to the fact that the person who probably would have eventually won didn't win, because he made a mistake of disregarding the draw timer. Full foreigner/ throwing won games is nothing new lol.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States14000 Posts
May 14 2016 13:59 GMT
#705
From what I can tell Polt was trying to go for the in gane timer and strange was too scared. The tie should be legal, after which blizz should implement a patch to allow players to switch off the tie timer in customs and allow tourname to use that option as they see fit.
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superfluousman1994
Profile Joined April 2016
11 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-14 13:59:34
May 14 2016 13:59 GMT
#706
You guys are basically arguing that forced 3fold repetitions or stalemates in chess shouldn't be draws if one player has a large material lead.

There are conditions for draws built into the game. Polt played to those conditions. He made it.
Magnifico
Profile Joined March 2013
1958 Posts
May 14 2016 13:59 GMT
#707
There is some WCS rule about draws?
intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
May 14 2016 13:59 GMT
#708
On May 14 2016 22:58 Makro wrote:
i'm gonna throw the magic word

matchfix

Imagine the odds on the draw...
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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55586 Posts
May 14 2016 13:59 GMT
#709
On May 14 2016 22:58 Vega62a wrote:
It's pretty clear that this is what Polt was playing for - he had money in the bank and a factory, and could have built widow mines

With all those 0 supply depots he had?
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Vandrad
Profile Joined November 2011
Germany951 Posts
May 14 2016 13:59 GMT
#710
On May 14 2016 22:56 NarutO wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2016 22:54 pmp10 wrote:
If the timer was visible then it's a draw.
A dumb unfair draw but still a draw.


I believe the auto-mechanic to prevent ladder abuse shouldnt decide and especially change a result of a WCS tournament. Strange won at that point.


But if you look at it from Polt's point of view and if he went for the tie on purpose then you could say it is also unfair towards him, since he played totally different because of the rule. So granting the win to Strange also wouldn't be right.
And who are you, the proud lord said, that I must bow so low?
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12999 Posts
May 14 2016 13:59 GMT
#711
On May 14 2016 22:58 Ej_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2016 22:56 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On May 14 2016 22:54 Ej_ wrote:
On May 14 2016 22:53 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On May 14 2016 22:50 Ej_ wrote:
Honestly this is fucking retarded, arbitrary mechanic made for ladder games deciding a tournament game in a series that already had 1 possible outcome.


Good job Blizzard and Dreamhack referees.


The game's never over until it's over. We've seen plenty of throws, even this late in the game. And this isn't the first tournament draw either.

tournament draws happen in games that are draws, not ones that have the outcome decided


The outcome is never decided until the game is actually over (i.e., until one person's structures are eliminated or they gg/ quit the game). Come on now, don't let your emotions overrule the facts.

ok, then resume from replay and let Strange win the game

no emotions involved, the fact is that for unbestknown to anyone reason, a tournament game ispossibly beingdecided by a tool made for ladder games with no referees

There is no lan mode so why tournament should be different than ladder rules wise? xd
WriterMaru
umelbumel
Profile Joined January 2011
2026 Posts
May 14 2016 13:59 GMT
#712
Do it Polt!
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46210 Posts
May 14 2016 13:59 GMT
#713
On May 14 2016 22:59 NarutO wrote:
It will be regamed 2-2.

I asked why and was told not to argue. Worst decision ever.


You really don't know why? lol.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
kaykoose
Profile Joined February 2014
United States2302 Posts
May 14 2016 13:59 GMT
#714
GAME 6!! YES!
fezvez
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
France3021 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-14 14:00:12
May 14 2016 13:59 GMT
#715
Basically, you have precedents where admins give the win to a player. For example, Boxer vs NightEnd from TSL 3 where Boxer disconnected but was awarded the win. But they couldn't act on that knowledge.

But the fact is that the players played according to a set of rules (there is a stalemate detection) and if an admin shows up and says "Yeah, sorry boys, another set of rules", then it would be bullshit.

[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24239 Posts
May 14 2016 13:59 GMT
#716
I don't see how anyone could think this is not a rematch. Let's go !
Durnuu
Profile Joined September 2013
13324 Posts
May 14 2016 13:59 GMT
#717
On May 14 2016 22:59 NarutO wrote:
It will be regamed 2-2.

I asked why and was told not to argue. Worst decision ever.


thanks for the update though
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Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
May 14 2016 13:59 GMT
#718
On May 14 2016 22:59 Poopi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2016 22:58 Ej_ wrote:
On May 14 2016 22:56 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On May 14 2016 22:54 Ej_ wrote:
On May 14 2016 22:53 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On May 14 2016 22:50 Ej_ wrote:
Honestly this is fucking retarded, arbitrary mechanic made for ladder games deciding a tournament game in a series that already had 1 possible outcome.


Good job Blizzard and Dreamhack referees.


The game's never over until it's over. We've seen plenty of throws, even this late in the game. And this isn't the first tournament draw either.

tournament draws happen in games that are draws, not ones that have the outcome decided


The outcome is never decided until the game is actually over (i.e., until one person's structures are eliminated or they gg/ quit the game). Come on now, don't let your emotions overrule the facts.

ok, then resume from replay and let Strange win the game

no emotions involved, the fact is that for unbestknown to anyone reason, a tournament game ispossibly beingdecided by a tool made for ladder games with no referees

There is no lan mode so why tournament should be different than ladder rules wise? xd

good argument

once you go clown fiesta, you never go back
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IAmWithStupid
Profile Blog Joined February 2013
Russian Federation1016 Posts
May 14 2016 13:59 GMT
#719
On May 14 2016 22:58 Vega62a wrote:
It's pretty clear that this is what Polt was playing for - he had money in the bank and a factory, and could have built widow mines - actually quite a few of them - in a situation where his opponent had no obs. He knew the rules of the tourney and played to them. Strange knew the rules and played in spite of them. Regame is the right choice.

He was supply blocked, so no production.
Insert wise words here
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46210 Posts
May 14 2016 13:59 GMT
#720
Official verdict: Rematch. And for great reasons, considering both players knew about the in-game timer and it expired. Period. Amen. It's a draw; get over it.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
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