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On May 14 2016 22:57 Inflicted wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2016 22:56 NarutO wrote:On May 14 2016 22:54 pmp10 wrote: If the timer was visible then it's a draw. A dumb unfair draw but still a draw. I believe the auto-mechanic to prevent ladder abuse shouldnt decide and especially change a result of a WCS tournament. Strange won at that point. In the future, it should be changed. But you can't award this win when Polt was playing towards the timer draw Afraid so also. Genius Polt. Won't ever happen again though in for future tournaments.
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It will be regamed 2-2.
I asked why and was told not to argue. Worst decision ever.
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they are playing starcraft 2.. you can't change the rules you are playing under DURING the tournament, if you do that's complete bullshit
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On May 14 2016 22:55 Incognoto wrote: I don't understand why people are mad.
There are win conditions for Starcraft. Kill all buildings.
There are draw conditions for Starcraft. We had draw conditions.
Polt tried to bring the game to draw conditions, rather than resigning. Why are people mad? Nerchio, Bunny, etc. you're all wrong, sorry.
Strange had to know the draw conditions and know that a timer was on his ass. He was indecisive, thus a draw took place. All there is to it!
Agreed. It's very straightforward, but people are knee-jerk reacting to the fact that the person who probably would have eventually won didn't win, because he made a mistake of disregarding the draw timer. Full foreigner/ throwing won games is nothing new lol.
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From what I can tell Polt was trying to go for the in gane timer and strange was too scared. The tie should be legal, after which blizz should implement a patch to allow players to switch off the tie timer in customs and allow tourname to use that option as they see fit.
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You guys are basically arguing that forced 3fold repetitions or stalemates in chess shouldn't be draws if one player has a large material lead.
There are conditions for draws built into the game. Polt played to those conditions. He made it.
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There is some WCS rule about draws?
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On May 14 2016 22:58 Makro wrote: i'm gonna throw the magic word
matchfix Imagine the odds on the draw...
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On May 14 2016 22:58 Vega62a wrote: It's pretty clear that this is what Polt was playing for - he had money in the bank and a factory, and could have built widow mines With all those 0 supply depots he had?
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On May 14 2016 22:56 NarutO wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2016 22:54 pmp10 wrote: If the timer was visible then it's a draw. A dumb unfair draw but still a draw. I believe the auto-mechanic to prevent ladder abuse shouldnt decide and especially change a result of a WCS tournament. Strange won at that point.
But if you look at it from Polt's point of view and if he went for the tie on purpose then you could say it is also unfair towards him, since he played totally different because of the rule. So granting the win to Strange also wouldn't be right.
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On May 14 2016 22:58 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2016 22:56 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On May 14 2016 22:54 Ej_ wrote:On May 14 2016 22:53 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On May 14 2016 22:50 Ej_ wrote: Honestly this is fucking retarded, arbitrary mechanic made for ladder games deciding a tournament game in a series that already had 1 possible outcome.
Good job Blizzard and Dreamhack referees. The game's never over until it's over. We've seen plenty of throws, even this late in the game. And this isn't the first tournament draw either. tournament draws happen in games that are draws, not ones that have the outcome decided The outcome is never decided until the game is actually over (i.e., until one person's structures are eliminated or they gg/ quit the game). Come on now, don't let your emotions overrule the facts. ok, then resume from replay and let Strange win the game  no emotions involved, the fact is that for unbestknown to anyone reason, a tournament game ispossibly beingdecided by a tool made for ladder games with no referees There is no lan mode so why tournament should be different than ladder rules wise? xd
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On May 14 2016 22:59 NarutO wrote: It will be regamed 2-2.
I asked why and was told not to argue. Worst decision ever.
You really don't know why? lol.
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Basically, you have precedents where admins give the win to a player. For example, Boxer vs NightEnd from TSL 3 where Boxer disconnected but was awarded the win. But they couldn't act on that knowledge.
But the fact is that the players played according to a set of rules (there is a stalemate detection) and if an admin shows up and says "Yeah, sorry boys, another set of rules", then it would be bullshit.
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I don't see how anyone could think this is not a rematch. Let's go !
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On May 14 2016 22:59 NarutO wrote: It will be regamed 2-2.
I asked why and was told not to argue. Worst decision ever.
 thanks for the update though
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On May 14 2016 22:59 Poopi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2016 22:58 Ej_ wrote:On May 14 2016 22:56 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On May 14 2016 22:54 Ej_ wrote:On May 14 2016 22:53 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On May 14 2016 22:50 Ej_ wrote: Honestly this is fucking retarded, arbitrary mechanic made for ladder games deciding a tournament game in a series that already had 1 possible outcome.
Good job Blizzard and Dreamhack referees. The game's never over until it's over. We've seen plenty of throws, even this late in the game. And this isn't the first tournament draw either. tournament draws happen in games that are draws, not ones that have the outcome decided The outcome is never decided until the game is actually over (i.e., until one person's structures are eliminated or they gg/ quit the game). Come on now, don't let your emotions overrule the facts. ok, then resume from replay and let Strange win the game  no emotions involved, the fact is that for unbestknown to anyone reason, a tournament game ispossibly beingdecided by a tool made for ladder games with no referees There is no lan mode so why tournament should be different than ladder rules wise? xd good argument
once you go clown fiesta, you never go back
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On May 14 2016 22:58 Vega62a wrote: It's pretty clear that this is what Polt was playing for - he had money in the bank and a factory, and could have built widow mines - actually quite a few of them - in a situation where his opponent had no obs. He knew the rules of the tourney and played to them. Strange knew the rules and played in spite of them. Regame is the right choice. He was supply blocked, so no production.
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Official verdict: Rematch. And for great reasons, considering both players knew about the in-game timer and it expired. Period. Amen. It's a draw; get over it.
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