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Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
May 14 2016 13:54 GMT
#661
On May 14 2016 22:53 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2016 22:50 Ej_ wrote:
Honestly this is fucking retarded, arbitrary mechanic made for ladder games deciding a tournament game in a series that already had 1 possible outcome.


Good job Blizzard and Dreamhack referees.


The game's never over until it's over. We've seen plenty of throws, even this late in the game. And this isn't the first tournament draw either.

tournament draws happen in games that are draws, not ones that have the outcome decided
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
May 14 2016 13:55 GMT
#662
On May 14 2016 22:54 Fig wrote:
should definitely be an option to turn off

I think this is the fairest thing, realistically.
kiss kiss fall in love
kaykoose
Profile Joined February 2014
United States2302 Posts
May 14 2016 13:55 GMT
#663
Fuck it. Bring on Game 6!!!
Makro
Profile Joined March 2011
France16890 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-14 13:55:40
May 14 2016 13:55 GMT
#664
On May 14 2016 22:54 Tiaraju9 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2016 22:53 Ej_ wrote:


the king has spoken


That draw mechanic is part of the game. There is no other way around here.

the argument that this mecanic is made for the ladder makes sens to me, i think admins should overule it
Matthew 5:10 "Blessed are those who are persecuted because of shitposting, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven".
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DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44375 Posts
May 14 2016 13:55 GMT
#665
On May 14 2016 22:51 Inflicted wrote:


What a throw


Agreed. Literally 0 argument at this point. People can be pissed that the game ended in a draw, but they only have Strange to blame for not finishing off Polt 1-10 minutes earlier- not Polt, not the referees, not Blizzard. QQ.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-14 13:56:13
May 14 2016 13:55 GMT
#666
I don't understand why people are mad.

There are win conditions for Starcraft. Kill all buildings.

There are draw conditions for Starcraft. We had draw conditions.

Polt tried to bring the game to draw conditions, rather than resigning. Why are people mad? Nerchio, Bunny, etc. you're all wrong, sorry.

Strange had to know the draw conditions and know that a timer was on his ass. He was indecisive, thus a draw took place. All there is to it!
maru lover forever
Inflicted
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia18228 Posts
May 14 2016 13:55 GMT
#667
They should both advance and archon mode
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Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
May 14 2016 13:55 GMT
#668
yeah this mechanic should never ever be in custom games, so dumb...
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
Fig
Profile Joined March 2010
United States1324 Posts
May 14 2016 13:55 GMT
#669
that timer being available in tournament games is a big advantage for terrans with their building lifts
Can't elope with my cantaloupe
BretZ
Profile Joined May 2011
United States1510 Posts
May 14 2016 13:55 GMT
#670
On May 14 2016 22:53 fezvez wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2016 22:51 Elentos wrote:
On May 14 2016 22:50 Ej_ wrote:
Honestly this is fucking retarded, arbitrary mechanic made for ladder games deciding a tournament game in a series that already had 1 possible outcome.


Good job Blizzard and Dreamhack referees.

Strange had 10 minutes to go fucking kill him.

Yup, no worries, the only thing that was racing in my mind was "How does Polt stall the game for 5 minutes?" when he had only his factory left. And he did

If I know the stalemate rules, you can bet the pro players do/should.


I would be one to argue stalemate has no place in professional play, especially when a player puts themselves in a position that they CAN STILL WIN. It'd be different, for me personally, if there was no win condition. But Strange clearly had won the game just moments before after a few small engagements with Polt's army, I'd argue.

intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
May 14 2016 13:56 GMT
#671
On May 14 2016 22:55 Inflicted wrote:
They should both advance and archon mode

Would they have to play Zerg?
kiss kiss fall in love
NarutO
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Germany18839 Posts
May 14 2016 13:56 GMT
#672
On May 14 2016 22:54 pmp10 wrote:
If the timer was visible then it's a draw.
A dumb unfair draw but still a draw.


I believe the auto-mechanic to prevent ladder abuse shouldnt decide and especially change a result of a WCS tournament. Strange won at that point.
CommentatorPolt | MMA | Jjakji | BoxeR | NaDa | MVP | MKP ... truly inspiring.
IAmWithStupid
Profile Blog Joined February 2013
Russian Federation1016 Posts
May 14 2016 13:56 GMT
#673
Poll: What's fair from your POV

Tie -> regame (40)
 
53%

Resume from replay (23)
 
30%

Strange automatically advances (13)
 
17%

76 total votes

Your vote: What's fair from your POV

(Vote): Tie -> regame
(Vote): Resume from replay
(Vote): Strange automatically advances

Insert wise words here
intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
May 14 2016 13:56 GMT
#674
On May 14 2016 22:55 BretZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2016 22:53 fezvez wrote:
On May 14 2016 22:51 Elentos wrote:
On May 14 2016 22:50 Ej_ wrote:
Honestly this is fucking retarded, arbitrary mechanic made for ladder games deciding a tournament game in a series that already had 1 possible outcome.


Good job Blizzard and Dreamhack referees.

Strange had 10 minutes to go fucking kill him.

Yup, no worries, the only thing that was racing in my mind was "How does Polt stall the game for 5 minutes?" when he had only his factory left. And he did

If I know the stalemate rules, you can bet the pro players do/should.


I would be one to argue stalemate has no place in professional play, especially when a player puts themselves in a position that they CAN STILL WIN. It'd be different, for me personally, if there was no win condition. But Strange clearly had won the game just moments before after a few small engagements with Polt's army, I'd argue.


The trouble is, that we can't change the rules of WCS halfway through a tournament.
kiss kiss fall in love
Vandrad
Profile Joined November 2011
Germany951 Posts
May 14 2016 13:56 GMT
#675
On May 14 2016 22:53 Ej_ wrote:
https://twitter.com/Nerchio_SC2/status/731482043566161920

the king has spoken

This honestly isn't really an argument. Stating how the rules of the tourney should be in your opinion doesn't change the way the game is designed.
And who are you, the proud lord said, that I must bow so low?
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44375 Posts
May 14 2016 13:56 GMT
#676
On May 14 2016 22:54 Ej_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2016 22:53 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On May 14 2016 22:50 Ej_ wrote:
Honestly this is fucking retarded, arbitrary mechanic made for ladder games deciding a tournament game in a series that already had 1 possible outcome.


Good job Blizzard and Dreamhack referees.


The game's never over until it's over. We've seen plenty of throws, even this late in the game. And this isn't the first tournament draw either.

tournament draws happen in games that are draws, not ones that have the outcome decided


The outcome is never decided until the game is actually over (i.e., until one person's structures are eliminated or they gg/ quit the game). Come on now, don't let your emotions overrule the facts.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
May 14 2016 13:56 GMT
#677
On May 14 2016 22:55 Incognoto wrote:
I don't understand why people are mad.

There are win conditions for Starcraft. Kill all buildings.

There are draw conditions for Starcraft. We had draw conditions.

Polt tried to bring the game to draw conditions, rather than resigning. Why are people mad? Nerchio, Bunny, etc. you're all wrong, sorry.


seriously.. I don't understand why people are upset either. There seems to be no actual logic behind the arguments, they are just saying "well it shouldn't be that way"

okay? but it is... there's lots of stuff in sc2 that might be better if it was different... but it isn't. it's how it is...
Mangooza
Profile Joined November 2015
89 Posts
May 14 2016 13:56 GMT
#678
I'd guesss it's a regame for now, except if Polt is too manner about it. But for the future.. make it possible to turn it off.
HelpMeGetBetter
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
United States764 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-14 13:57:00
May 14 2016 13:56 GMT
#679
odds Polt does the right thing and forfeits game 6?
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
May 14 2016 13:56 GMT
#680
On May 14 2016 22:55 Incognoto wrote:
I don't understand why people are mad.

There are win conditions for Starcraft. Kill all buildings.

There are draw conditions for Starcraft. We had draw conditions.

Polt tried to bring the game to draw conditions, rather than resigning. Why are people mad? Nerchio, Bunny, etc. you're all wrong, sorry.


because those draw conditions got added at a later point and are not originally part of sc2, they were purely added to improve ladder
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
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