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XPA
Profile Joined January 2013
Germany242 Posts
May 14 2016 13:59 GMT
#721
Only decision that makes sence. Becaus Polt played only fr the draw so giving Strange a win would be unfair.
Makro
Profile Joined March 2011
France16890 Posts
May 14 2016 14:00 GMT
#722
On May 14 2016 22:59 IntoTheheart wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2016 22:58 Makro wrote:
i'm gonna throw the magic word

matchfix

Imagine the odds on the draw...

we need kespa's investigation on this right now

calling the south korean ambassy as we speak
Matthew 5:10 "Blessed are those who are persecuted because of shitposting, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven".
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Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
May 14 2016 14:00 GMT
#723
I hope polt wins and everyone gets even more mad
Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-14 14:00:51
May 14 2016 14:00 GMT
#724
On May 14 2016 22:58 Incognoto wrote:
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On May 14 2016 22:56 NarutO wrote:
On May 14 2016 22:55 Incognoto wrote:
I don't understand why people are mad.

There are win conditions for Starcraft. Kill all buildings.

There are draw conditions for Starcraft. We had draw conditions.

Polt tried to bring the game to draw conditions, rather than resigning. Why are people mad? Nerchio, Bunny, etc. you're all wrong, sorry.

Strange had to know the draw conditions and know that a timer was on his ass. He was indecisive, thus a draw took place. All there is to it!


The win conditions are

Destroy all buildings

That is the only condition. He would have managed to do so. The timer for anti-stalement is invented to prevent ladder abuse. so that should be Strange's win.


I don't see the difference between ladder and tournament though.

They're both a game of Starcraft. I believe that the stalemate conditions are the same for any game of Starcraft, whether custom or on ladder.

Thus, if Polt can force stalemate conditions, then there is a stalemate.


Any more doubt? Both players saw the timer. The observers did not because (as I said before), it was a custom OBS map.


This is also the correct decision from referees. There is no distinction between ladder and tournament games: both of them have the same win and stalemate conditions.
maru lover forever
intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
May 14 2016 14:00 GMT
#725
Thanks for the update, Naru!
kiss kiss fall in love
Topin
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Peru10128 Posts
May 14 2016 14:00 GMT
#726
Starcraft 2 team must be like

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i would define my style between a mix of ByuN, Maru and MKP
Inflicted
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia18228 Posts
May 14 2016 14:00 GMT
#727
On May 14 2016 23:00 travis wrote:
I hope polt wins and everyone gets even more mad


Just like MKP vs PartinG
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juvenal
Profile Joined July 2013
2448 Posts
May 14 2016 14:00 GMT
#728
On May 14 2016 22:53 Elentos wrote:
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On May 14 2016 22:52 Ej_ wrote:
On May 14 2016 22:51 travis wrote:
so people are mad because...?

sounds like the game worked how the game is programmed to work

because this wasnt actually a draw

Or it wouldn't have been if Strange had the balls to go kill him with the units he has. But if he was aware of the timer, that means he accepted the game would end in a tie.

the question is: will Polt demonstrate enough balls to forfeit this game, because he lost it fair and square.
Michael Probu
NarutO
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Germany18839 Posts
May 14 2016 14:00 GMT
#729
On May 14 2016 22:59 superfluousman1994 wrote:
You guys are basically arguing that forced 3fold repetitions or stalemates in chess shouldn't be draws if one player has a large material lead.

There are conditions for draws built into the game. Polt played to those conditions. He made it.


It is a ladder mechanic. It is not in the tournament rules either. Win condition is: Kill all enemy buildings.
The game was won and Strange would have won with 2 more minutes.
CommentatorPolt | MMA | Jjakji | BoxeR | NaDa | MVP | MKP ... truly inspiring.
Vega62a
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
946 Posts
May 14 2016 14:00 GMT
#730
On May 14 2016 22:59 IAmWithStupid wrote:
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On May 14 2016 22:58 Vega62a wrote:
It's pretty clear that this is what Polt was playing for - he had money in the bank and a factory, and could have built widow mines - actually quite a few of them - in a situation where his opponent had no obs. He knew the rules of the tourney and played to them. Strange knew the rules and played in spite of them. Regame is the right choice.

He was supply blocked, so no production.


Ah - good catch. My bad.
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MASTERCAKES
Profile Joined March 2012
United States127 Posts
May 14 2016 14:00 GMT
#731
Correct decision IMO. If you want to change the rule, I'm fine with it, but you can't do it mid-tournament.
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23580 Posts
May 14 2016 14:00 GMT
#732
Well since both players got the timer and knew about it, this decision is fine for this one game I guess.

But that timer should never have influence on any tournament game ever again.
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
fezvez
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
France3021 Posts
May 14 2016 14:00 GMT
#733
Rematch!

Great, solid decision from admins.
Magnifico
Profile Joined March 2013
1958 Posts
May 14 2016 14:00 GMT
#734
On May 14 2016 22:59 [PkF] Wire wrote:
I don't see how anyone could think this is not a rematch. Let's go !


Yeah, the argument that the draw mechanic is made for "ladder games" without a referee is arbitrary.
intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
May 14 2016 14:00 GMT
#735
On May 14 2016 23:00 juvenal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2016 22:53 Elentos wrote:
On May 14 2016 22:52 Ej_ wrote:
On May 14 2016 22:51 travis wrote:
so people are mad because...?

sounds like the game worked how the game is programmed to work

because this wasnt actually a draw

Or it wouldn't have been if Strange had the balls to go kill him with the units he has. But if he was aware of the timer, that means he accepted the game would end in a tie.

the question is: will Polt demonstrate enough balls to forfeit this game, because he lost it fair and square.

Not according to the engine.
kiss kiss fall in love
Phredxor
Profile Joined May 2013
New Zealand15076 Posts
May 14 2016 14:00 GMT
#736
If Strange knew what was coming and still played that pussy then I hope he loses. That was such a throw.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46491 Posts
May 14 2016 14:00 GMT
#737
On May 14 2016 22:58 Makro wrote:
i'm gonna throw the magic word

matchfix


You're not being clever by making a stupid implication.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55594 Posts
May 14 2016 14:00 GMT
#738
On May 14 2016 22:59 NarutO wrote:
Worst decision ever.

I disagree. Polt played to draw and reached the timer. If the rules don't account for this, regaming is fine.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
XPA
Profile Joined January 2013
Germany242 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-14 14:01:43
May 14 2016 14:01 GMT
#739
Edit: Misclick,sorry
Dav1oN
Profile Joined January 2012
Ukraine3164 Posts
May 14 2016 14:01 GMT
#740
isn't that's why we also love sc2? cause of unpredictability?
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