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chipmonklord17
Profile Joined February 2011
United States11944 Posts
May 23 2016 19:22 GMT
#121
On May 24 2016 04:18 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2016 04:17 chipmonklord17 wrote:
Couldn't Harstem have just made a nexus where the adepts currently are and mine from the gold and the blue bases at once


The gases are inside though.


But having 2 (or 3.5 because of gold) bases of minerals and 1 of gas for the price of a single nexus sounds more worth it than taking the gold as your natural
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-23 19:24:48
May 23 2016 19:23 GMT
#122
On May 24 2016 04:22 chipmonklord17 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2016 04:18 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On May 24 2016 04:17 chipmonklord17 wrote:
Couldn't Harstem have just made a nexus where the adepts currently are and mine from the gold and the blue bases at once


The gases are inside though.


But having 2 (or 3.5 because of gold) bases of minerals and 1 of gas for the price of a single nexus sounds more worth it than taking the gold as your natural


The bases aren't close enough.

edit: Dasan seems pretty suitable for a format like Proleague where you can choose the race to send out. Less so for ladder.
chipmonklord17
Profile Joined February 2011
United States11944 Posts
May 23 2016 19:25 GMT
#123
On May 24 2016 04:23 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2016 04:22 chipmonklord17 wrote:
On May 24 2016 04:18 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On May 24 2016 04:17 chipmonklord17 wrote:
Couldn't Harstem have just made a nexus where the adepts currently are and mine from the gold and the blue bases at once


The gases are inside though.


But having 2 (or 3.5 because of gold) bases of minerals and 1 of gas for the price of a single nexus sounds more worth it than taking the gold as your natural


The bases aren't close enough.


Fair enough. Although I doubt its so far away to not make it more worth it economically. Maybe not for Terran and Protoss due to how quickly they build workers but I imagine for a Zerg it could be better than just taking the gold
ossavi09
Profile Joined October 2014
Germany441 Posts
May 23 2016 19:27 GMT
#124
purple vs red in a mirror matchup... )=
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
May 23 2016 19:33 GMT
#125
On May 24 2016 04:23 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2016 04:22 chipmonklord17 wrote:
On May 24 2016 04:18 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On May 24 2016 04:17 chipmonklord17 wrote:
Couldn't Harstem have just made a nexus where the adepts currently are and mine from the gold and the blue bases at once


The gases are inside though.


But having 2 (or 3.5 because of gold) bases of minerals and 1 of gas for the price of a single nexus sounds more worth it than taking the gold as your natural


The bases aren't close enough.

edit: Dasan seems pretty suitable for a format like Proleague where you can choose the race to send out. Less so for ladder.
That bunker rush being possible is obviously a mistake (as others have remarked). Without that the cheese gets less potent. Plus BQT was way better than Lambo during the series.
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ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
May 23 2016 19:51 GMT
#126
On May 24 2016 04:33 Plexa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2016 04:23 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On May 24 2016 04:22 chipmonklord17 wrote:
On May 24 2016 04:18 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On May 24 2016 04:17 chipmonklord17 wrote:
Couldn't Harstem have just made a nexus where the adepts currently are and mine from the gold and the blue bases at once


The gases are inside though.


But having 2 (or 3.5 because of gold) bases of minerals and 1 of gas for the price of a single nexus sounds more worth it than taking the gold as your natural


The bases aren't close enough.

edit: Dasan seems pretty suitable for a format like Proleague where you can choose the race to send out. Less so for ladder.
That bunker rush being possible is obviously a mistake (as others have remarked). Without that the cheese gets less potent. Plus BQT was way better than Lambo during the series.


Of course. Nevertheless the gameplay seen in that game didn't inspire much confidence. Hopefully we'll see more of Dasan and get a better idea.
Aunvilgodess
Profile Joined May 2016
954 Posts
May 23 2016 19:58 GMT
#127
I really like disruptor wars
chipmonklord17
Profile Joined February 2011
United States11944 Posts
May 23 2016 20:06 GMT
#128
On May 24 2016 04:58 Aunvilgodess wrote:
I really like disruptor wars


I feel like I'd like watching disruptors more if their balls weren't faster than most ground units.
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
May 23 2016 20:07 GMT
#129
On May 24 2016 05:06 chipmonklord17 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2016 04:58 Aunvilgodess wrote:
I really like disruptor wars


I feel like I'd like watching disruptors more if their balls weren't faster than most ground units.


They'd be pretty useless then.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55566 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-23 20:08:37
May 23 2016 20:08 GMT
#130
On May 24 2016 05:06 chipmonklord17 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2016 04:58 Aunvilgodess wrote:
I really like disruptor wars


I feel like I'd like watching disruptors more if their balls weren't faster than most ground units.

But it's already hard to hit anything with the balls as fast as they are. They're already mostly out of the meta for all Protoss MUs in Korea because Koreans just dodge.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
chipmonklord17
Profile Joined February 2011
United States11944 Posts
May 23 2016 20:15 GMT
#131
On May 24 2016 05:07 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2016 05:06 chipmonklord17 wrote:
On May 24 2016 04:58 Aunvilgodess wrote:
I really like disruptor wars


I feel like I'd like watching disruptors more if their balls weren't faster than most ground units.


They'd be pretty useless then.



On May 24 2016 05:08 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2016 05:06 chipmonklord17 wrote:
On May 24 2016 04:58 Aunvilgodess wrote:
I really like disruptor wars


I feel like I'd like watching disruptors more if their balls weren't faster than most ground units.

But it's already hard to hit anything with the balls as fast as they are. They're already mostly out of the meta for all Protoss MUs in Korea because Koreans just dodge.


I'm not saying its imbalanced or anything, I just don't really find it that cool of an interaction between other units. They're in the "amazing fungals" tier for me, where good ones are really good sure but most of them aren't nearly as amazing as they're made out to be
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-23 20:16:55
May 23 2016 20:16 GMT
#132
The match-up I'm looking to the most on Galactic Process is ZvP due to the natural.
-NegativeZero-
Profile Joined August 2011
United States2142 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-23 20:31:10
May 23 2016 20:30 GMT
#133
On May 24 2016 05:15 chipmonklord17 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2016 05:07 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On May 24 2016 05:06 chipmonklord17 wrote:
On May 24 2016 04:58 Aunvilgodess wrote:
I really like disruptor wars


I feel like I'd like watching disruptors more if their balls weren't faster than most ground units.


They'd be pretty useless then.



Show nested quote +
On May 24 2016 05:08 Elentos wrote:
On May 24 2016 05:06 chipmonklord17 wrote:
On May 24 2016 04:58 Aunvilgodess wrote:
I really like disruptor wars


I feel like I'd like watching disruptors more if their balls weren't faster than most ground units.

But it's already hard to hit anything with the balls as fast as they are. They're already mostly out of the meta for all Protoss MUs in Korea because Koreans just dodge.


I'm not saying its imbalanced or anything, I just don't really find it that cool of an interaction between other units. They're in the "amazing fungals" tier for me, where good ones are really good sure but most of them aren't nearly as amazing as they're made out to be

they're a consistent display of skill on both sides though, while fungals were just "click on the biggest clump of units"
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ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
May 23 2016 20:33 GMT
#134
There was a colossus build in PvP during the Proleague finals. Didn't work out though.

Also Galactic Process has really impressed me this game. I thought of it only as an average finalist, but this game has really shown how well placed the ramps, rocks and LOS blockers are.
chipmonklord17
Profile Joined February 2011
United States11944 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-23 20:37:46
May 23 2016 20:36 GMT
#135
On May 24 2016 05:30 -NegativeZero- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2016 05:15 chipmonklord17 wrote:
On May 24 2016 05:07 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On May 24 2016 05:06 chipmonklord17 wrote:
On May 24 2016 04:58 Aunvilgodess wrote:
I really like disruptor wars


I feel like I'd like watching disruptors more if their balls weren't faster than most ground units.


They'd be pretty useless then.



On May 24 2016 05:08 Elentos wrote:
On May 24 2016 05:06 chipmonklord17 wrote:
On May 24 2016 04:58 Aunvilgodess wrote:
I really like disruptor wars


I feel like I'd like watching disruptors more if their balls weren't faster than most ground units.

But it's already hard to hit anything with the balls as fast as they are. They're already mostly out of the meta for all Protoss MUs in Korea because Koreans just dodge.


I'm not saying its imbalanced or anything, I just don't really find it that cool of an interaction between other units. They're in the "amazing fungals" tier for me, where good ones are really good sure but most of them aren't nearly as amazing as they're made out to be

they're a consistent display of skill on both sides though, while fungals were just "click on the biggest clump of units"


But they aren't. They outspeed most units, giving the player who is using the discuptor a better chance at causing damage than the player who is defending from it. And I was using "amazing fungals" as an easily understood example of the situation, not comparing WoL fungaling to disruptors.

For example that last disruptor shot that killed 6 disruptors was actually a really good shot, but randomly shaving off a few stalkers or zealots that you're already faster than isn't interesting. You're already faster than those units


EDIT: I'm curious how this map will turn out without terran
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
May 23 2016 20:38 GMT
#136
On May 24 2016 05:36 chipmonklord17 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2016 05:30 -NegativeZero- wrote:
On May 24 2016 05:15 chipmonklord17 wrote:
On May 24 2016 05:07 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On May 24 2016 05:06 chipmonklord17 wrote:
On May 24 2016 04:58 Aunvilgodess wrote:
I really like disruptor wars


I feel like I'd like watching disruptors more if their balls weren't faster than most ground units.


They'd be pretty useless then.



On May 24 2016 05:08 Elentos wrote:
On May 24 2016 05:06 chipmonklord17 wrote:
On May 24 2016 04:58 Aunvilgodess wrote:
I really like disruptor wars


I feel like I'd like watching disruptors more if their balls weren't faster than most ground units.

But it's already hard to hit anything with the balls as fast as they are. They're already mostly out of the meta for all Protoss MUs in Korea because Koreans just dodge.


I'm not saying its imbalanced or anything, I just don't really find it that cool of an interaction between other units. They're in the "amazing fungals" tier for me, where good ones are really good sure but most of them aren't nearly as amazing as they're made out to be

they're a consistent display of skill on both sides though, while fungals were just "click on the biggest clump of units"


But they aren't. They outspeed most units, giving the player who is using the discuptor a better chance at causing damage than the player who is defending from it. And I was using "amazing fungals" as an easily understood example of the situation, not comparing WoL fungaling to disruptors.

For example that last disruptor shot that killed 6 disruptors was actually a really good shot, but randomly shaving off a few stalkers or zealots that you're already faster than isn't interesting. You're already faster than those units


EDIT: I'm curious how this map will turn out without terran


You can still split to minimize damage and snipe disruptors. There's a reason why they are relatively niche in the Korean meta.
Solar424
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
United States4001 Posts
May 23 2016 20:42 GMT
#137
On May 24 2016 05:33 ZigguratOfUr wrote:

Also Galactic Process has really impressed me this game. I thought of it only as an average finalist, but this game has really shown how well placed the ramps, rocks and LOS blockers are.

Yeah turns out Cloud Kingdom was and still is a good map
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-23 20:47:52
May 23 2016 20:47 GMT
#138
On May 24 2016 05:42 Solar424 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2016 05:33 ZigguratOfUr wrote:

Also Galactic Process has really impressed me this game. I thought of it only as an average finalist, but this game has really shown how well placed the ramps, rocks and LOS blockers are.

Yeah turns out Cloud Kingdom was and still is a good map


It's also the things that are different from cloud kingdom like the ramp and watch tower placement that impressed me.

Also the current game so far feels like a game on Ulrena except with the players getting caught out by the air pathing.
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
May 23 2016 20:48 GMT
#139
How have the PvP maps been so far? missed the first 4
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Aunvilgodess
Profile Joined May 2016
954 Posts
May 23 2016 20:52 GMT
#140
On May 24 2016 05:15 chipmonklord17 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2016 05:07 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On May 24 2016 05:06 chipmonklord17 wrote:
On May 24 2016 04:58 Aunvilgodess wrote:
I really like disruptor wars


I feel like I'd like watching disruptors more if their balls weren't faster than most ground units.


They'd be pretty useless then.



Show nested quote +
On May 24 2016 05:08 Elentos wrote:
On May 24 2016 05:06 chipmonklord17 wrote:
On May 24 2016 04:58 Aunvilgodess wrote:
I really like disruptor wars


I feel like I'd like watching disruptors more if their balls weren't faster than most ground units.

But it's already hard to hit anything with the balls as fast as they are. They're already mostly out of the meta for all Protoss MUs in Korea because Koreans just dodge.


I'm not saying its imbalanced or anything, I just don't really find it that cool of an interaction between other units. They're in the "amazing fungals" tier for me, where good ones are really good sure but most of them aren't nearly as amazing as they're made out to be


The whole point is that you try to hit the other army while dodging yourself. Looks like its one of the most skill intensive things in the game.
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