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SetGuitarsToKill
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![]() http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2016_WCS_Spring_Regional_Challengers/North_America WHERE TO WATCH ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() WHEN TO WATCH Day 1 : Saturday, Apr 09 12:00am GMT (GMT+00:00) Day 2: Saturday, Apr 09 10:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) PLAYERS ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() PLAYOFFS ![]() | ||
SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
Top 20 as of Monday, Apr 04 2:35pm GMT (GMT+00:00) Ladder competition ends on April 7, 2016 - 23:59 EDT + Show Spoiler + 1 ![]() 2 ![]() 3 ![]() 4 ![]() 5 ![]() 6 ![]() 7 ![]() 8 ![]() 9 ![]() 10 ![]() 11 ![]() 12 ![]() 13 ![]() 14 ![]() 15 ![]() 16 ![]() 17 ![]() 18 ![]() 19 ![]() 20 ![]() | ||
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Nakajin
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Rehio
United States1718 Posts
On April 05 2016 10:03 Nakajin wrote: Holy shit sorry if I hurt somebody, but there is a shitload of no name. That's the point of Challenger. It's a good thing. | ||
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Nakajin
Canada8989 Posts
On April 05 2016 10:28 Rehio wrote: Show nested quote + On April 05 2016 10:03 Nakajin wrote: Holy shit sorry if I hurt somebody, but there is a shitload of no name. That's the point of Challenger. It's a good thing. I know it is for lesser know player to get a chanche but where are semper, qxc, jonsnow, noregret, scarlett, puck? Is there somethings I mist and they are already qualify and it that casse why are Huck and Neeb there? | ||
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AusProbe
Australia235 Posts
On April 05 2016 10:52 Nakajin wrote: Show nested quote + On April 05 2016 10:28 Rehio wrote: On April 05 2016 10:03 Nakajin wrote: Holy shit sorry if I hurt somebody, but there is a shitload of no name. That's the point of Challenger. It's a good thing. I know it is for lesser know player to get a chanche but where are semper, qxc, jonsnow, noregret, scarlett, puck? Is there somethings I mist and they are already qualify and it that cass why are Huck and Neeb there? Give it time, it only just started haha. | ||
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Inflicted
Australia18228 Posts
On April 05 2016 11:30 SNSeigifried wrote: Anyone know if TRUE counts? Probably not? | ||
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Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
On April 05 2016 12:54 frazzle wrote: Wait, so ladder qualies are over already? Or, what? Ladder competition ends on April 7, 2016 - 23:59 EDT | ||
SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
Top 20 as of Tuesday, Apr 05 1:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) Ladder competition ends on April 7, 2016 - 23:59 EDT + Show Spoiler + ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ||
SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
Top 20 as of Wednesday, Apr 06 1:45pm GMT (GMT+00:00) Ladder competition ends on April 7, 2016 - 23:59 EDT ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ||
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InsidiA
Canada1169 Posts
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SNSeigifried
United States1640 Posts
Top 20 as of Thursday, Apr 07 4:30pm GMT (GMT+00:00) Ladder competition ends on April 7, 2016 - 23:59 EDT ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ||
elfonse
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SNSeigifried
United States1640 Posts
On April 08 2016 02:00 elfonse wrote: pokebunny joined team ascension? He's been on team ascension just went inactive. | ||
SNSeigifried
United States1640 Posts
Top 20 as of Thursday, Apr 07 6:28pm GMT (GMT+00:00) Ladder competition ends on April 7, 2016 - 23:59 EDT ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ||
SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
Top 20 as of Friday, Apr 08 12:00am GMT (GMT+00:00) Ladder competition ends on April 7, 2016 - 23:59 EDT ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ||
SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
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Solar424
United States4001 Posts
On April 08 2016 13:02 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Matches should be ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() They actually changed the rules so that anyone from the 1st-4th can play anyone from 13th-16th, and anyone from 5th-8th can play anyone from 9th-12th, probably to prevent people from losing on purpose to get a better first round matchup. | ||
SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
On April 08 2016 13:05 Solar424 wrote: They actually changed the rules so that anyone from the 1st-4th can play anyone from 13th-16th, and anyone from 5th-8th can play anyone from 9th-12th, probably to prevent people from losing on purpose to get a better first round matchup. Ah snap I guess I missed that. Well that's what the matches WOULD have been if they had done the old system. Some of them would have been pretty fun | ||
SNSeigifried
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Inflicted
Australia18228 Posts
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BeStFAN
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BeStFAN
483 Posts
but KOMAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA | ||
The_Red_Viper
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Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
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mikumegurine
Canada3145 Posts
wheres Violet go? | ||
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Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
On April 09 2016 08:58 mikumegurine wrote: theres Hydra and Polt playing this, but not Violet? wheres Violet go? didnt even see his account in GM on the ladder | ||
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mikumegurine
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BeStFAN
483 Posts
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Shellshock
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SetGuitarsToKill
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mikumegurine
Canada3145 Posts
On April 09 2016 09:28 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Huk has had Scarlett's number recently. This series is looking no different, especially considering she's dealing with latency now. huk just throw away all his adepts tho lol | ||
SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
On April 09 2016 09:30 mikumegurine wrote: Show nested quote + On April 09 2016 09:28 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Huk has had Scarlett's number recently. This series is looking no different, especially considering she's dealing with latency now. huk just throw away all his adepts tho lol Yes... yes he did. Scarlett just counter threw though. lol Huk just FF'd away 30 supply of banelings and queens. That's game. | ||
The_Red_Viper
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BeStFAN
483 Posts
NEVERGIVE UP KOMABOY ILOVE YOU | ||
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Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
edit... I say as he dies | ||
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mikumegurine
Canada3145 Posts
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GumBa
United Kingdom31935 Posts
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SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
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SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
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GumBa
United Kingdom31935 Posts
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Diabolique
Czech Republic5118 Posts
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Fecalfeast
Canada11355 Posts
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GumBa
United Kingdom31935 Posts
On April 09 2016 10:04 Fecalfeast wrote: why isn't the dreamhack stream on the sidebar? bttv took it off. Eliminating the competition. | ||
SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
oh well, loser's bracket run? | ||
GumBa
United Kingdom31935 Posts
On April 09 2016 10:11 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: man, Scarlett cannot deal with Huk lately. He's won 5/6 of their latest meetings now. oh well, loser's bracket run? Dream run incoming. | ||
Jeremy Reimer
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Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
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Rehio
United States1718 Posts
On April 09 2016 10:15 Shellshock wrote: Bioice didn't even show up? Holding true to the heart of North American Starcraft. God, I hate it. I want NA to do well so badly. D: | ||
Rollora
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Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
On April 09 2016 10:19 Rollora wrote: WTF from all the quarterfinals games why did Basetrade decide to cast the PvP? cause they want to follow the best player! | ||
Rollora
2450 Posts
On April 09 2016 10:20 Shellshock wrote: Show nested quote + On April 09 2016 10:19 Rollora wrote: WTF from all the quarterfinals games why did Basetrade decide to cast the PvP? cause they want to follow the best player! Well true indeed. I heard Neeb played Terran before. Makes him automatically one of the best | ||
SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
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Pokebunny
United States10654 Posts
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Rollora
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SNSeigifried
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Extenz
Italy822 Posts
wtf that's insane | ||
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On April 09 2016 11:08 cha0 wrote: Looks like no surprises yet. I would consider PiliPili over Masa an upset | ||
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SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
On April 09 2016 11:28 Fecalfeast wrote: The results of puck-hydra were spoiled in the bracket before the half way point in the final game. Has this been happening all day? Happens in a lot of tournaments, I've noticed. | ||
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SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() I just realized, 4/7 Canadians in this finished bottom 4. That's rough :/ | ||
SNSeigifried
United States1640 Posts
On April 09 2016 12:01 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Man, this thread really died with Scarlett :/ ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() I just realized, 4/7 Canadians in this finished bottom 4. That's rough :/ All zergs dead but hydra. All protoss still alive!!! This makes my protoss heart so happy :D!!! | ||
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Shellshock
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SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
On April 09 2016 12:11 SNSeigifried wrote: All zergs dead but hydra. All protoss still alive!!! This makes my protoss heart so happy :D!!! I can't wait for the next balance patch where zerg gets nerfed :/ For the first time this tournament, a Zerg has beaten another race! ![]() ![]() ![]() | ||
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Shellshock
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Jeremy Reimer
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Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
On April 09 2016 13:09 Jeremy Reimer wrote: HuK often loses to Masa but he played really well in this series. They actually have a much closer head to head than I would have guessed. Huk got a leg up earlier in sc2 when he was definitely the more well known/better player but they've been overall pretty even the last few years. I figured Masa would have pulled ahead but Huk is actually still on top all time | ||
Parcelleus
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mikumegurine
Canada3145 Posts
hwaiting! | ||
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Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
On April 10 2016 02:28 mikumegurine wrote: Polt Hydra Finish #1 and #2 hwaiting! Neeb coming for them again | ||
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Fecalfeast
Canada11355 Posts
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Diabolique
Czech Republic5118 Posts
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Powermoo
32 Posts
On April 10 2016 02:28 mikumegurine wrote: Polt Hydra Finish #1 and #2 hwaiting! So how does this work seeing how they are both gauranteed to qualify through top-8 rankings? Do ranks 9 and 10 get a spot? Or do ranks 3 and 4 of the challenger get the spots? How did they decide which instance gets priority. I see drama brewing over this... | ||
Diabolique
Czech Republic5118 Posts
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On April 10 2016 08:28 Diabolique wrote: Is this the qualifier, from which Polt and Hydra will be disqualified as was some Kong from Korea last time after he won it before Shanghai? And Masa was not allowed to play? Or is this legit and when Polt wins it, he actually really wins it and will get the travel costs to France paid? It's not a passport qualifier. | ||
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Poopi
France12883 Posts
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RHoudini
Belgium3627 Posts
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CheddarToss
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RHoudini
Belgium3627 Posts
On April 10 2016 08:40 CheddarToss wrote: Stims into army of equal supply, a lot of cannons and pylons, but it doesn't matter. ![]() Nah. Protoss got EMP'ed - only had half an army and no storm. | ||
ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
Neeb did everything really well up until then. | ||
Diabolique
Czech Republic5118 Posts
On April 10 2016 08:33 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Show nested quote + On April 10 2016 08:28 Diabolique wrote: Is this the qualifier, from which Polt and Hydra will be disqualified as was some Kong from Korea last time after he won it before Shanghai? And Masa was not allowed to play? Or is this legit and when Polt wins it, he actually really wins it and will get the travel costs to France paid? It's not a passport qualifier. OK, thanks, good for Polt! | ||
CheddarToss
534 Posts
On April 10 2016 08:41 RHoudini wrote: Show nested quote + On April 10 2016 08:40 CheddarToss wrote: Stims into army of equal supply, a lot of cannons and pylons, but it doesn't matter. ![]() Nah. Protoss got EMP'ed - only had half an army and no storm. Half an army? | ||
Diabolique
Czech Republic5118 Posts
On April 10 2016 08:43 CheddarToss wrote: Show nested quote + On April 10 2016 08:41 RHoudini wrote: On April 10 2016 08:40 CheddarToss wrote: Stims into army of equal supply, a lot of cannons and pylons, but it doesn't matter. ![]() Nah. Protoss got EMP'ed - only had half an army and no storm. Half an army? (Health + Shield - Shield) / (Health + Shield) = (1+1-1)/(1+1) = 50%? :-) | ||
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Poopi
France12883 Posts
On April 10 2016 08:41 RHoudini wrote: Show nested quote + On April 10 2016 08:40 CheddarToss wrote: Stims into army of equal supply, a lot of cannons and pylons, but it doesn't matter. ![]() Nah. Protoss got EMP'ed - only had half an army and no storm. Yeah so Polt could have a ball vs the tempests, liberators still firing, very good engagement from Polt. | ||
ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On April 10 2016 08:46 Diabolique wrote: Show nested quote + On April 10 2016 08:43 CheddarToss wrote: On April 10 2016 08:41 RHoudini wrote: On April 10 2016 08:40 CheddarToss wrote: Stims into army of equal supply, a lot of cannons and pylons, but it doesn't matter. ![]() Nah. Protoss got EMP'ed - only had half an army and no storm. Half an army? (Health + Shield - Shield) / (Health + Shield) = (1+1-1)/(1+1) = 50%? :-) By that logic Polt only had 80% of his army because he stimmed. | ||
Diabolique
Czech Republic5118 Posts
On April 10 2016 08:49 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Show nested quote + On April 10 2016 08:46 Diabolique wrote: On April 10 2016 08:43 CheddarToss wrote: On April 10 2016 08:41 RHoudini wrote: On April 10 2016 08:40 CheddarToss wrote: Stims into army of equal supply, a lot of cannons and pylons, but it doesn't matter. ![]() Nah. Protoss got EMP'ed - only had half an army and no storm. Half an army? (Health + Shield - Shield) / (Health + Shield) = (1+1-1)/(1+1) = 50%? :-) By that logic Polt only had 80% of his army because he stimmed. Well, he had army x 80% x (1+stim), which is actually more than 100% of army :-) | ||
ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
edit: Actually on second thought these spawns probably aren't that bad for Protoss. | ||
Diabolique
Czech Republic5118 Posts
Ehm, neeb! | ||
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RHoudini
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Hider
Denmark9384 Posts
Eh casters, you did realize Neeb was arguably the favourite going into that series, right? Don't make this out to be some type of huge upset. | ||
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United States9400 Posts
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RHoudini
Belgium3627 Posts
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mikumegurine
Canada3145 Posts
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Extenz
Italy822 Posts
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ossavi09
Germany441 Posts
On April 10 2016 09:23 Extenz wrote: can't believe polt didn't have a depot at the rocks, such a silly mistake. gratz neeb! yesterday he didn't make a proper wall at his main ramp and lost to an early pool since all lings were just streaming into his base, it was on the same map btw. | ||
SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
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ZigguratOfUr
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nerpderp
United States780 Posts
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On April 10 2016 09:52 nerpderp wrote: Polt and Hydra are already qualified to spring championships, so puCK is by default the qualifier from today, right? Really? How did they qualify? | ||
nerpderp
United States780 Posts
On April 10 2016 09:54 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Show nested quote + On April 10 2016 09:52 nerpderp wrote: Polt and Hydra are already qualified to spring championships, so puCK is by default the qualifier from today, right? Really? How did they qualify? Top 8 from current WCS standings get invited. Polt and Hydra are both in top 8 (and so is viOLet, which is probably why he isn't playing). | ||
SetGuitarsToKill
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breaker1328
Canada295 Posts
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
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Fecalfeast
Canada11355 Posts
On April 10 2016 10:10 Hider wrote: Thank you Pinnaclesports for giving me odds 4.3 on Puck winning the series. Congrats | ||
Diabolique
Czech Republic5118 Posts
On April 10 2016 09:52 nerpderp wrote: Polt and Hydra are already qualified to spring championships, so puCK is by default the qualifier from today, right? No, he is not qualified. He would need to beat Polt. Otherwise, he is not qualified. | ||
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nerpderp
United States780 Posts
On April 10 2016 10:13 Diabolique wrote: Show nested quote + On April 10 2016 09:52 nerpderp wrote: Polt and Hydra are already qualified to spring championships, so puCK is by default the qualifier from today, right? No, he is not qualified. He would need to beat Polt. Otherwise, he is not qualified. Then who are the 8 players who get invited? The rules say that the top 8 players in WCS rankings as of April 11 get invited. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2016_WCS_Spring_Circuit_Championship Hydra and Polt are both on that list. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Portal:2016_WCS So as I see it, Puck should be qualified to Spring Championships whether he wins or loses versus Polt. Unless there's something about the rules that I don't know about? | ||
SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
On April 10 2016 10:17 nerpderp wrote: Show nested quote + On April 10 2016 10:13 Diabolique wrote: On April 10 2016 09:52 nerpderp wrote: Polt and Hydra are already qualified to spring championships, so puCK is by default the qualifier from today, right? No, he is not qualified. He would need to beat Polt. Otherwise, he is not qualified. Then who are the 8 players who get invited? The rules say that the top 8 players in WCS rankings as of April 11 get invited (http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2016_WCS_Spring_Circuit_Championship). Hydra and Polt are both on that list. The DH announcement only says that 8 players from the standings get invited, not necessarily the top 8. I could be the Top 8 not-yet qualified WCS players or the Top 8 period. | ||
Diabolique
Czech Republic5118 Posts
On April 10 2016 10:17 nerpderp wrote: Show nested quote + On April 10 2016 10:13 Diabolique wrote: On April 10 2016 09:52 nerpderp wrote: Polt and Hydra are already qualified to spring championships, so puCK is by default the qualifier from today, right? No, he is not qualified. He would need to beat Polt. Otherwise, he is not qualified. Then who are the 8 players who get invited? The rules say that the top 8 players in WCS rankings as of April 11 get invited (http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2016_WCS_Spring_Circuit_Championship). Hydra and Polt are both on that list. If puck loses to Polt, Polt will be qualified as a winner of this ladder qualifier. The invites from top 8 WCS players will happen AFTER this is done. So if at that moment, Polt will be qualified by becoming second in this qualifier, the WCS number 9 will get invited. It is very stupid, in my humble opinion ... | ||
nerpderp
United States780 Posts
On April 10 2016 10:20 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Show nested quote + On April 10 2016 10:17 nerpderp wrote: On April 10 2016 10:13 Diabolique wrote: On April 10 2016 09:52 nerpderp wrote: Polt and Hydra are already qualified to spring championships, so puCK is by default the qualifier from today, right? No, he is not qualified. He would need to beat Polt. Otherwise, he is not qualified. Then who are the 8 players who get invited? The rules say that the top 8 players in WCS rankings as of April 11 get invited (http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2016_WCS_Spring_Circuit_Championship). Hydra and Polt are both on that list. The DH announcement only says that 8 players from the standings get invited, not necessarily the top 8. I could be the Top 8 not-yet qualified WCS players or the Top 8 period. Whether it's top 8 not yet qualified, or top 8 period, Polt and Hydra are still both on that list, no? | ||
SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
On April 10 2016 10:22 nerpderp wrote: Show nested quote + On April 10 2016 10:20 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: On April 10 2016 10:17 nerpderp wrote: On April 10 2016 10:13 Diabolique wrote: On April 10 2016 09:52 nerpderp wrote: Polt and Hydra are already qualified to spring championships, so puCK is by default the qualifier from today, right? No, he is not qualified. He would need to beat Polt. Otherwise, he is not qualified. Then who are the 8 players who get invited? The rules say that the top 8 players in WCS rankings as of April 11 get invited (http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2016_WCS_Spring_Circuit_Championship). Hydra and Polt are both on that list. The DH announcement only says that 8 players from the standings get invited, not necessarily the top 8. I could be the Top 8 not-yet qualified WCS players or the Top 8 period. Whether it's top 8 not yet qualified, or top 8 period, Polt and Hydra are still both on that list, no? Top not yet qualified as the the April 11th cutoff, I'd presume. So Polt is in either way but puCK is not. | ||
Diabolique
Czech Republic5118 Posts
On April 10 2016 10:22 nerpderp wrote: Show nested quote + On April 10 2016 10:20 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: On April 10 2016 10:17 nerpderp wrote: On April 10 2016 10:13 Diabolique wrote: On April 10 2016 09:52 nerpderp wrote: Polt and Hydra are already qualified to spring championships, so puCK is by default the qualifier from today, right? No, he is not qualified. He would need to beat Polt. Otherwise, he is not qualified. Then who are the 8 players who get invited? The rules say that the top 8 players in WCS rankings as of April 11 get invited (http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2016_WCS_Spring_Circuit_Championship). Hydra and Polt are both on that list. The DH announcement only says that 8 players from the standings get invited, not necessarily the top 8. I could be the Top 8 not-yet qualified WCS players or the Top 8 period. Whether it's top 8 not yet qualified, or top 8 period, Polt and Hydra are still both on that list, no? Yes, Polt and Hydra will for sure get to the WCS Spring. puCK will not if he loses to Polt. | ||
breaker1328
Canada295 Posts
On April 10 2016 10:14 puCK wrote: Don't the top 8 get invited though? I am really confused on this whole matter. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2016_WCS_Spring_Circuit_Championship Relevant sections 8 invites from 2016 WCS Standings as of April 11 8 Players from regionals 14 Players from NA/EU server qualifiers taking place weekend of April 22 (I have no idea what these are, I thought this tournament was the server qualifiers) And of course the National Qualifier for French players. Since it says 8 invites and not top 8 I would think that the 8 invited players are going to be the 8 highest ranked players that are not already qualified. Not sure if that helps at all. | ||
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nerpderp
United States780 Posts
Thanks for the explanation, fam. | ||
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Iraq16955 Posts
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CheddarToss
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On April 10 2016 10:48 ZigguratOfUr wrote: puCK's blink stalker/disruptor centric play matches up very poorly against Polt's playstyle. I'm not too convinced about disruptors in PvT in general, but especially against Polt... It's not specific to Polt's playstyle. Disruptors are quite bad vs. any good Terran player. | ||
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Now kill him Polt. | ||
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On April 10 2016 10:31 nerpderp wrote: Oh I see. Polt and Hydra are fine, but puCK has to win or else he won't qualify. Ugh, poor puck. Thanks for the explanation, fam. lol wtf, these rules are dumb | ||
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On April 10 2016 11:49 Fecalfeast wrote: Liberators are pretty good, eh? This game is so tense puCK messed up his control there. He could have closed it out. edit: Polt's resilience is commendable. He's been on half the worker count for the last 5 minutes. | ||
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On April 10 2016 11:58 Fecalfeast wrote: I don't even think puck can tie if polt loses a full medivac somehow | ||
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On April 10 2016 11:59 Shellshock wrote: if polt loses a full medivac somehow he got the full medivac! | ||
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GameOfThrows WQHYYYYYYYY | ||
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he didn't chase down the weakened stalker force. he didn't take advantage of the fog of war/lift when he killed the observer that tagged his cc. he COMMITTED to that base location and didn't repair the double barracks wall. if he loses this game i'm gonna cry POLT POLT POLT | ||
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On April 10 2016 12:07 BeStFAN wrote: oh my god polt... he had such a HUGE lead in that base race. he didn't chase down the weakened stalker force. he didn't take advantage of the fog of war/lift when he killed the observer that tagged his cc. he COMMITTED to that base location and didn't repair the double barracks wall. if he loses this game i'm gonna cry POLT POLT POLT I don't think he had any scv to repair, he could have used the mules, maybe. | ||
BeStFAN
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please puck play like the most shameless protoss this game. | ||
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On April 10 2016 12:08 Fran_ wrote: Show nested quote + On April 10 2016 12:07 BeStFAN wrote: oh my god polt... he had such a HUGE lead in that base race. he didn't chase down the weakened stalker force. he didn't take advantage of the fog of war/lift when he killed the observer that tagged his cc. he COMMITTED to that base location and didn't repair the double barracks wall. if he loses this game i'm gonna cry POLT POLT POLT I don't think he had any scv to repair, he could have used the mules, maybe. puCK could have sniped the mules with his blink stalkers. Polt only had something like 4 marauders 5 marines against 9 stalkers, 4 zealots. On April 10 2016 12:08 BeStFAN wrote: is everyone ready to see puck beat polt with a proxy oracle into 4 adept drop??? please puck play like the most shameless protoss this game. That would require puCK to build a stargate. | ||
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What a guy. | ||
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On April 10 2016 12:11 BeStFAN wrote: you either win macroing as a terran, or live long enough to see yourself protossing the protoss Both games he won were the macro games though. edit: That was a really anti-climactic end. | ||
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CheddarToss
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This is exactly the right way to kill a dirty Terran. | ||
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DT drop to execute polt after that last game PROTOSS'D | ||
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On April 10 2016 12:14 Lexender wrote: Except hellions are thrash vs protoss lol They were pretty good on Dusk Towers. | ||
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---------_---------- Polt may be Polt but PROTOSS WILL ALWAYS BE PROTOSS | ||
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On April 10 2016 12:15 Shellshock wrote: bigger upset? neeb + puck qualifying from NA or Cham winning Copa America? Two crazy final series for sure. | ||
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On April 10 2016 12:14 Lexender wrote: Except hellions are thrash vs protoss lol Dayshi would like a word with you: | ||
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CheddarToss
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On April 10 2016 12:16 BeStFAN wrote: oh my god polt HAD that base trade and then he loses to a DT drop in game 6 ---------_---------- Polt may be Polt but PROTOSS WILL ALWAYS BE PROTOSS Yeah, because flying buildings off the map is not BS, while DTs are clearly BS? | ||
BeStFAN
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On April 10 2016 12:18 CheddarToss wrote: Show nested quote + On April 10 2016 12:16 BeStFAN wrote: oh my god polt HAD that base trade and then he loses to a DT drop in game 6 ---------_---------- Polt may be Polt but PROTOSS WILL ALWAYS BE PROTOSS Yeah, because flying buildings off the map is not BS, while DTs are clearly BS? lol NOT COMPLAINING. Polt should have Terran'd Puck when he had the chance to do so in a base race. Puck was the better player and Protoss'd and Jangbi'd Polt when he saw Polt was trying to be Fantasy. Puck deserved to win!! | ||
EatingBomber
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On April 10 2016 12:18 CheddarToss wrote: Show nested quote + On April 10 2016 12:16 BeStFAN wrote: oh my god polt HAD that base trade and then he loses to a DT drop in game 6 ---------_---------- Polt may be Polt but PROTOSS WILL ALWAYS BE PROTOSS Yeah, because flying buildings off the map is not BS, while DTs are clearly BS? Lol. May I remind you that buildings fly since 1998, and that there are numerous counters to them? At the same time, early DT cheeses are purely binary - does he have a scan? If he does, my cheese fails badly - if not, I kill all his workers and win the game. | ||
FrkFrJss
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On April 10 2016 12:15 Shellshock wrote: bigger upset? neeb + puck qualifying from NA or Cham winning Copa America? Honestly, I wasn't too surprised when neeb made I through as he did last time, but I was very surprised when puck won against hydra twice and then in the rematch against polt. Puck's been a good player, but never "beat hydra twice and then polt" good. Maybe a combination of off days plus some good Starcraft by puck. | ||
EatingBomber
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On April 10 2016 12:20 BeStFAN wrote: Show nested quote + On April 10 2016 12:18 CheddarToss wrote: On April 10 2016 12:16 BeStFAN wrote: oh my god polt HAD that base trade and then he loses to a DT drop in game 6 ---------_---------- Polt may be Polt but PROTOSS WILL ALWAYS BE PROTOSS Yeah, because flying buildings off the map is not BS, while DTs are clearly BS? lol NOT COMPLAINING. Polt should have Terran'd Puck when he had the chance to do so in a base race. Puck was the better player and Protoss'd and Jangbi'd Polt when he saw Polt was trying to be Fantasy. Puck deserved to win!! Terran'd Puck - what kind of tech can Terran hide that can win a game instantly if not scouted? | ||
BeStFAN
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On April 10 2016 12:21 EatingBomber wrote: Show nested quote + On April 10 2016 12:20 BeStFAN wrote: On April 10 2016 12:18 CheddarToss wrote: On April 10 2016 12:16 BeStFAN wrote: oh my god polt HAD that base trade and then he loses to a DT drop in game 6 ---------_---------- Polt may be Polt but PROTOSS WILL ALWAYS BE PROTOSS Yeah, because flying buildings off the map is not BS, while DTs are clearly BS? lol NOT COMPLAINING. Polt should have Terran'd Puck when he had the chance to do so in a base race. Puck was the better player and Protoss'd and Jangbi'd Polt when he saw Polt was trying to be Fantasy. Puck deserved to win!! Terran'd Puck - what kind of tech can Terran hide that can win a game instantly if not scouted? Man you guys take this shit way too personally lmao. Can we ALL agree it's funny as shit when Terran wins base races or at least forces TIES with floating bulidings? Can we ALL agree it's FUNNY as shit to see a shuttle and DTs instantly murdering terrans when they try and be cute? CMON GUYS | ||
ZigguratOfUr
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On April 10 2016 12:21 FrkFrJss wrote: Show nested quote + On April 10 2016 12:15 Shellshock wrote: bigger upset? neeb + puck qualifying from NA or Cham winning Copa America? Honestly, I wasn't too surprised when neeb made I through as he did last time, but I was very surprised when puck won against hydra twice and then in the rematch against polt. Puck's been a good player, but never "beat hydra twice and then polt" good. Maybe a combination of off days plus some good Starcraft by puck. puCK's PvZ is good. Beating hydra isn't completely surprising. Beating Polt was much more so. | ||
Cyro
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At the same time, early DT cheeses are purely binary - does he have a scan? If he does, my cheese fails badly Cloaked units vs scans in early-midgame are so much more intricate than that. The game wasn't even passive either | ||
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On April 10 2016 12:33 Cyro wrote: Show nested quote + At the same time, early DT cheeses are purely binary - does he have a scan? If he does, my cheese fails badly Cloaked units vs scans in early-midgame are so much more intricate than that. The game wasn't even passive either Yeah people dont understand that saving scans is a decision made by the player. its not like you HAVE to use mules 100% of the time, especially in the early-mid game | ||
Cyro
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On April 10 2016 12:37 vult wrote: Show nested quote + On April 10 2016 12:33 Cyro wrote: At the same time, early DT cheeses are purely binary - does he have a scan? If he does, my cheese fails badly Cloaked units vs scans in early-midgame are so much more intricate than that. The game wasn't even passive either Yeah people dont understand that saving scans is a decision made by the player. its not like you HAVE to use mules 100% of the time, especially in the early-mid game Not just saving scans, but using some aggressively vs other forms of scouting too. Polt made the decision not to scout anything more than he had seen from pressure at the front that game and it wasn't the first time, he does it regularly to have more money and earlier timings. If that wasn't an option, the game would be less deep. You can also count out the orbital energy spent recently by the amount of mules mining. He could make a ton of choices and while having a dark shrine pretty early isn't binary, spending 150 energy to leave both of your orbitals at around 5-20 energy when you don't have the ability to build a turret is quite risky. Stream chat moderation was really bad today | ||
EatingBomber
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On April 10 2016 12:39 Cyro wrote: Show nested quote + On April 10 2016 12:37 vult wrote: On April 10 2016 12:33 Cyro wrote: At the same time, early DT cheeses are purely binary - does he have a scan? If he does, my cheese fails badly Cloaked units vs scans in early-midgame are so much more intricate than that. The game wasn't even passive either Yeah people dont understand that saving scans is a decision made by the player. its not like you HAVE to use mules 100% of the time, especially in the early-mid game Not just saving scans, but using some aggressively vs other forms of scouting too. Polt made the decision not to scout anything more than he had seen from pressure at the front that game and it wasn't the first time, he does it regularly to have more money and earlier timings. If that wasn't an option, the game would be less deep. You can also count out the orbital energy spent recently by the amount of mules mining. He could make a ton of choices and while having a dark shrine pretty early isn't binary, spending 150 energy to leave both of your orbitals at around 5-20 energy when you don't have the ability to build a turret is quite risky. The stream chat was like 50% balance whine, I have not seen anything that bad for quite a long time DT cheeses work fundamentally differently from cheeses of other kinds - you could defend other cheeses even if you didn't scout it, so long as you have excellent micro. There is no such nuance to DT cheeses - if you don't scout it, you are effectively doomed if you lack a scan, regardless of your ability to control your units. As far as the availability of options go - yes, scanning as opposed to muling adds a risk/reward factor to the game which increases its depth - but when the reward is constant, set, and is meant to help you catch up to the opponent's slightly superior economic position, while the risk ranges from easily defendable to lethal - one side can definitely be said to have far more early-game options than the other. | ||
CheddarToss
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On April 10 2016 12:20 EatingBomber wrote: Show nested quote + On April 10 2016 12:18 CheddarToss wrote: On April 10 2016 12:16 BeStFAN wrote: oh my god polt HAD that base trade and then he loses to a DT drop in game 6 ---------_---------- Polt may be Polt but PROTOSS WILL ALWAYS BE PROTOSS Yeah, because flying buildings off the map is not BS, while DTs are clearly BS? Lol. May I remind you that buildings fly since 1998, and that there are numerous counters to them? At the same time, early DT cheeses are purely binary - does he have a scan? If he does, my cheese fails badly - if not, I kill all his workers and win the game. And how long are DTs in the game? ![]() | ||
Cyro
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DT cheeses You can shit on anything in the game by calling it a "cheese". Puck would not have even been behind in the game if polt got 3 free turrets in his base before the warp prism came in | ||
FrkFrJss
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On April 10 2016 12:22 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Show nested quote + On April 10 2016 12:21 FrkFrJss wrote: On April 10 2016 12:15 Shellshock wrote: bigger upset? neeb + puck qualifying from NA or Cham winning Copa America? Honestly, I wasn't too surprised when neeb made I through as he did last time, but I was very surprised when puck won against hydra twice and then in the rematch against polt. Puck's been a good player, but never "beat hydra twice and then polt" good. Maybe a combination of off days plus some good Starcraft by puck. puCK's PvZ is good. Beating hydra isn't completely surprising. Beating Polt was much more so. Well in general, Protoss through WoL and HotS have struggled less against Zerg than Terran, but if puCK's PvZ is good, Hydra's ZvP is even better.. But yeah, Puck having close to a 50% winrate and still managing to pull off a win versus Polt was definitely an even bigger upset. | ||
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EatingBomber
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You can shit on anything in the game by calling it a "cheese". Puck would not have even been behind in the game if polt got 3 free turrets in his base before the warp prism came in. The risk was on polt for playing like he did in the very early game (he went down by 1.5x on worker count to do a big attack with an scv pulled for proxy bunker) Well done on being obtuse and missing the fundamental message of my post. I don't give a damn whether or not calling something a 'cheese' equates to 'shitting' on it - early Dark Shrines represent a significant investment and deviation from regular Protoss builds, which means that Protoss has to do significant damage to level his position with Terran's. Most cheeses share this characteristic; I don't have a problem with early Dark Shrines for being cheesy. My problem with them is that they are far too punishing and binary. If Terran doesn't scout them (note that DS can be proxied, a relatively frequent occurrence), and lacks a scan when they arrive, he is almost certainly doomed. In this case, Polt decided to execute a 1-base Hellion-Marines attack with an expansion behind it, and was down 12 workers, as well as being left with a weak tech. At this point, any kind of punishment by Protoss with superior tech could have been attempted - but Polt could have defended all of them (Adept, Oracle, even Blink Stalkers) with good micromanagement, even if he didn't see them coming. With DTs, he had no such opportunities - he simply died on the spot. Now, should Terran be weak and vulnerable after failed early, heavy aggression? Yes. Should he be vulnerable to punishment? Of course. The problem is that the punishment is unquestionably and irrevokably fatal; this kind of 3 buttons strategy is rather stupid, if I must say. | ||
Cyro
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which means that Protoss has to do significant damage to level his position with Terran's Defense and map control have real value and there's no need to level a position if you're ahead/even before using them offensively and was down 12 workers Being down 12 workers isn't game ending when you have 60 workers but it is pretty terrible when you have 24 The problem is that the punishment is unquestionably and irrevokably fatal Polt made that decision himself when he used all three casts of the orbital on mules. He did that knowing that it would open him up to near-instant death if that situation happened but it would put him in a stronger position otherwise - you really need to give more credit to these players | ||
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On April 10 2016 19:14 Poopi wrote: Sad marine as usual, at least Polt is gonna actually perform in the offline event but still. Is he going? paid travels chances are gone. | ||
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On April 10 2016 19:18 Dingodile wrote: Show nested quote + On April 10 2016 19:14 Poopi wrote: Sad marine as usual, at least Polt is gonna actually perform in the offline event but still. Is he going? paid travels chances are gone. He's going to be invited and Ro32 is $1500 so no reason not to (even if no paid travels) | ||
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On April 10 2016 21:02 VHbb wrote: Are there any VODs ? https://www.twitch.tv/dreamhacksc2/v/59533912 Says EU but it does have the NA stream. Congrats to Neeb and puCK, very nice 'foreigner' performance indeed. | ||
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On April 10 2016 21:16 Parcelleus wrote: https://www.twitch.tv/dreamhacksc2/v/59533912 Says EU but it does have the NA stream. Congrats to Neeb and puCK, very nice 'foreigner' performance indeed. Thank you, that is great, just watching the game 5 :-) | ||
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On April 10 2016 21:16 Parcelleus wrote: https://www.twitch.tv/dreamhacksc2/v/59533912 Says EU but it does have the NA stream. Congrats to Neeb and puCK, very nice 'foreigner' performance indeed. Thanks!! | ||
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"Draw?" "Not yet" :-) | ||
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