They actually changed the rules so that anyone from the 1st-4th can play anyone from 13th-16th, and anyone from 5th-8th can play anyone from 9th-12th, probably to prevent people from losing on purpose to get a better first round matchup.
They actually changed the rules so that anyone from the 1st-4th can play anyone from 13th-16th, and anyone from 5th-8th can play anyone from 9th-12th, probably to prevent people from losing on purpose to get a better first round matchup.
Ah snap I guess I missed that. Well that's what the matches WOULD have been if they had done the old system. Some of them would have been pretty fun
On April 09 2016 09:28 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Huk has had Scarlett's number recently. This series is looking no different, especially considering she's dealing with latency now.
On April 09 2016 09:28 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Huk has had Scarlett's number recently. This series is looking no different, especially considering she's dealing with latency now.
huk just throw away all his adepts tho lol
Yes... yes he did. Scarlett just counter threw though.
lol Huk just FF'd away 30 supply of banelings and queens. That's game.
Lol HuK come on. You play Toss for so many years now and get beaten by a guy who just started it. Maybe he has stolen your mojo and has your Top 3 control now?
On April 09 2016 11:28 Fecalfeast wrote: The results of puck-hydra were spoiled in the bracket before the half way point in the final game. Has this been happening all day?
On April 09 2016 13:09 Jeremy Reimer wrote: HuK often loses to Masa but he played really well in this series.
They actually have a much closer head to head than I would have guessed. Huk got a leg up earlier in sc2 when he was definitely the more well known/better player but they've been overall pretty even the last few years. I figured Masa would have pulled ahead but Huk is actually still on top all time
On April 10 2016 02:28 mikumegurine wrote: Polt Hydra Finish #1 and #2
hwaiting!
So how does this work seeing how they are both gauranteed to qualify through top-8 rankings?
Do ranks 9 and 10 get a spot? Or do ranks 3 and 4 of the challenger get the spots? How did they decide which instance gets priority. I see drama brewing over this...
Is this the qualifier, from which Polt and Hydra will be disqualified as was some Kong from Korea last time after he won it before Shanghai? And Masa was not allowed to play? Or is this legit and when Polt wins it, he actually really wins it and will get the travel costs to France paid?
On April 10 2016 08:28 Diabolique wrote: Is this the qualifier, from which Polt and Hydra will be disqualified as was some Kong from Korea last time after he won it before Shanghai? And Masa was not allowed to play? Or is this legit and when Polt wins it, he actually really wins it and will get the travel costs to France paid?
On April 10 2016 08:28 Diabolique wrote: Is this the qualifier, from which Polt and Hydra will be disqualified as was some Kong from Korea last time after he won it before Shanghai? And Masa was not allowed to play? Or is this legit and when Polt wins it, he actually really wins it and will get the travel costs to France paid?
On April 10 2016 09:23 Extenz wrote: can't believe polt didn't have a depot at the rocks, such a silly mistake. gratz neeb!
yesterday he didn't make a proper wall at his main ramp and lost to an early pool since all lings were just streaming into his base, it was on the same map btw.
hydra's aggression has been awful. He could have done so much more. Also what was with his composition? Heavy baneling play was very poor against what puCK was going for.
On April 10 2016 09:52 nerpderp wrote: Polt and Hydra are already qualified to spring championships, so puCK is by default the qualifier from today, right?
On April 10 2016 09:52 nerpderp wrote: Polt and Hydra are already qualified to spring championships, so puCK is by default the qualifier from today, right?
Really? How did they qualify?
Top 8 from current WCS standings get invited. Polt and Hydra are both in top 8 (and so is viOLet, which is probably why he isn't playing).
On April 10 2016 09:52 nerpderp wrote: Polt and Hydra are already qualified to spring championships, so puCK is by default the qualifier from today, right?
No, he is not qualified. He would need to beat Polt. Otherwise, he is not qualified.
On April 10 2016 09:52 nerpderp wrote: Polt and Hydra are already qualified to spring championships, so puCK is by default the qualifier from today, right?
No, he is not qualified. He would need to beat Polt. Otherwise, he is not qualified.
On April 10 2016 09:52 nerpderp wrote: Polt and Hydra are already qualified to spring championships, so puCK is by default the qualifier from today, right?
No, he is not qualified. He would need to beat Polt. Otherwise, he is not qualified.
Then who are the 8 players who get invited? The rules say that the top 8 players in WCS rankings as of April 11 get invited (http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2016_WCS_Spring_Circuit_Championship). Hydra and Polt are both on that list.
The DH announcement only says that 8 players from the standings get invited, not necessarily the top 8. I could be the Top 8 not-yet qualified WCS players or the Top 8 period.
On April 10 2016 09:52 nerpderp wrote: Polt and Hydra are already qualified to spring championships, so puCK is by default the qualifier from today, right?
No, he is not qualified. He would need to beat Polt. Otherwise, he is not qualified.
Then who are the 8 players who get invited? The rules say that the top 8 players in WCS rankings as of April 11 get invited (http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2016_WCS_Spring_Circuit_Championship). Hydra and Polt are both on that list.
If puck loses to Polt, Polt will be qualified as a winner of this ladder qualifier. The invites from top 8 WCS players will happen AFTER this is done. So if at that moment, Polt will be qualified by becoming second in this qualifier, the WCS number 9 will get invited.
On April 10 2016 09:52 nerpderp wrote: Polt and Hydra are already qualified to spring championships, so puCK is by default the qualifier from today, right?
No, he is not qualified. He would need to beat Polt. Otherwise, he is not qualified.
Then who are the 8 players who get invited? The rules say that the top 8 players in WCS rankings as of April 11 get invited (http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2016_WCS_Spring_Circuit_Championship). Hydra and Polt are both on that list.
The DH announcement only says that 8 players from the standings get invited, not necessarily the top 8. I could be the Top 8 not-yet qualified WCS players or the Top 8 period.
Whether it's top 8 not yet qualified, or top 8 period, Polt and Hydra are still both on that list, no?
On April 10 2016 09:52 nerpderp wrote: Polt and Hydra are already qualified to spring championships, so puCK is by default the qualifier from today, right?
No, he is not qualified. He would need to beat Polt. Otherwise, he is not qualified.
Then who are the 8 players who get invited? The rules say that the top 8 players in WCS rankings as of April 11 get invited (http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2016_WCS_Spring_Circuit_Championship). Hydra and Polt are both on that list.
The DH announcement only says that 8 players from the standings get invited, not necessarily the top 8. I could be the Top 8 not-yet qualified WCS players or the Top 8 period.
Whether it's top 8 not yet qualified, or top 8 period, Polt and Hydra are still both on that list, no?
Top not yet qualified as the the April 11th cutoff, I'd presume. So Polt is in either way but puCK is not.
On April 10 2016 09:52 nerpderp wrote: Polt and Hydra are already qualified to spring championships, so puCK is by default the qualifier from today, right?
No, he is not qualified. He would need to beat Polt. Otherwise, he is not qualified.
Then who are the 8 players who get invited? The rules say that the top 8 players in WCS rankings as of April 11 get invited (http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2016_WCS_Spring_Circuit_Championship). Hydra and Polt are both on that list.
The DH announcement only says that 8 players from the standings get invited, not necessarily the top 8. I could be the Top 8 not-yet qualified WCS players or the Top 8 period.
Whether it's top 8 not yet qualified, or top 8 period, Polt and Hydra are still both on that list, no?
Yes, Polt and Hydra will for sure get to the WCS Spring. puCK will not if he loses to Polt.
Relevant sections 8 invites from 2016 WCS Standings as of April 11 8 Players from regionals 14 Players from NA/EU server qualifiers taking place weekend of April 22 (I have no idea what these are, I thought this tournament was the server qualifiers) And of course the National Qualifier for French players.
Since it says 8 invites and not top 8 I would think that the 8 invited players are going to be the 8 highest ranked players that are not already qualified.
puCK's blink stalker/disruptor centric play matches up very poorly against Polt's playstyle. I'm not too convinced about disruptors in PvT in general, but especially against Polt...
On April 10 2016 10:48 ZigguratOfUr wrote: puCK's blink stalker/disruptor centric play matches up very poorly against Polt's playstyle. I'm not too convinced about disruptors in PvT in general, but especially against Polt...
It's not specific to Polt's playstyle. Disruptors are quite bad vs. any good Terran player.
oh my god polt... he had such a HUGE lead in that base race.
he didn't chase down the weakened stalker force. he didn't take advantage of the fog of war/lift when he killed the observer that tagged his cc. he COMMITTED to that base location and didn't repair the double barracks wall.
if he loses this game i'm gonna cry POLT POLT POLT
On April 10 2016 12:07 BeStFAN wrote: oh my god polt... he had such a HUGE lead in that base race.
he didn't chase down the weakened stalker force. he didn't take advantage of the fog of war/lift when he killed the observer that tagged his cc. he COMMITTED to that base location and didn't repair the double barracks wall.
if he loses this game i'm gonna cry POLT POLT POLT
I don't think he had any scv to repair, he could have used the mules, maybe.
On April 10 2016 12:07 BeStFAN wrote: oh my god polt... he had such a HUGE lead in that base race.
he didn't chase down the weakened stalker force. he didn't take advantage of the fog of war/lift when he killed the observer that tagged his cc. he COMMITTED to that base location and didn't repair the double barracks wall.
if he loses this game i'm gonna cry POLT POLT POLT
I don't think he had any scv to repair, he could have used the mules, maybe.
puCK could have sniped the mules with his blink stalkers. Polt only had something like 4 marauders 5 marines against 9 stalkers, 4 zealots.
On April 10 2016 12:08 BeStFAN wrote: is everyone ready to see puck beat polt with a proxy oracle into 4 adept drop???
please puck play like the most shameless protoss this game.
What an amazing comeback! Down 0-2 and puck manages to win essentially 3.5 games IN A ROW against a heavily favored opponent. Such a great display of composure and skill. Congrats! Well deserved!
On April 10 2016 12:16 BeStFAN wrote: oh my god polt HAD that base trade and then he loses to a DT drop in game 6
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Polt may be Polt but PROTOSS WILL ALWAYS BE PROTOSS
Yeah, because flying buildings off the map is not BS, while DTs are clearly BS?
lol NOT COMPLAINING.
Polt should have Terran'd Puck when he had the chance to do so in a base race. Puck was the better player and Protoss'd and Jangbi'd Polt when he saw Polt was trying to be Fantasy.
On April 10 2016 12:16 BeStFAN wrote: oh my god polt HAD that base trade and then he loses to a DT drop in game 6
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Polt may be Polt but PROTOSS WILL ALWAYS BE PROTOSS
Yeah, because flying buildings off the map is not BS, while DTs are clearly BS?
Lol. May I remind you that buildings fly since 1998, and that there are numerous counters to them? At the same time, early DT cheeses are purely binary - does he have a scan? If he does, my cheese fails badly - if not, I kill all his workers and win the game.
On April 10 2016 12:15 Shellshock wrote: bigger upset? neeb + puck qualifying from NA or Cham winning Copa America?
Honestly, I wasn't too surprised when neeb made I through as he did last time, but I was very surprised when puck won against hydra twice and then in the rematch against polt. Puck's been a good player, but never "beat hydra twice and then polt" good. Maybe a combination of off days plus some good Starcraft by puck.
On April 10 2016 12:16 BeStFAN wrote: oh my god polt HAD that base trade and then he loses to a DT drop in game 6
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Polt may be Polt but PROTOSS WILL ALWAYS BE PROTOSS
Yeah, because flying buildings off the map is not BS, while DTs are clearly BS?
lol NOT COMPLAINING.
Polt should have Terran'd Puck when he had the chance to do so in a base race. Puck was the better player and Protoss'd and Jangbi'd Polt when he saw Polt was trying to be Fantasy.
Puck deserved to win!!
Terran'd Puck - what kind of tech can Terran hide that can win a game instantly if not scouted?
On April 10 2016 12:16 BeStFAN wrote: oh my god polt HAD that base trade and then he loses to a DT drop in game 6
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Polt may be Polt but PROTOSS WILL ALWAYS BE PROTOSS
Yeah, because flying buildings off the map is not BS, while DTs are clearly BS?
lol NOT COMPLAINING.
Polt should have Terran'd Puck when he had the chance to do so in a base race. Puck was the better player and Protoss'd and Jangbi'd Polt when he saw Polt was trying to be Fantasy.
Puck deserved to win!!
Terran'd Puck - what kind of tech can Terran hide that can win a game instantly if not scouted?
Man you guys take this shit way too personally lmao.
Can we ALL agree it's funny as shit when Terran wins base races or at least forces TIES with floating bulidings? Can we ALL agree it's FUNNY as shit to see a shuttle and DTs instantly murdering terrans when they try and be cute?
On April 10 2016 12:15 Shellshock wrote: bigger upset? neeb + puck qualifying from NA or Cham winning Copa America?
Honestly, I wasn't too surprised when neeb made I through as he did last time, but I was very surprised when puck won against hydra twice and then in the rematch against polt. Puck's been a good player, but never "beat hydra twice and then polt" good. Maybe a combination of off days plus some good Starcraft by puck.
puCK's PvZ is good. Beating hydra isn't completely surprising. Beating Polt was much more so.
At the same time, early DT cheeses are purely binary - does he have a scan? If he does, my cheese fails badly
Cloaked units vs scans in early-midgame are so much more intricate than that. The game wasn't even passive either
Yeah people dont understand that saving scans is a decision made by the player. its not like you HAVE to use mules 100% of the time, especially in the early-mid game
At the same time, early DT cheeses are purely binary - does he have a scan? If he does, my cheese fails badly
Cloaked units vs scans in early-midgame are so much more intricate than that. The game wasn't even passive either
Yeah people dont understand that saving scans is a decision made by the player. its not like you HAVE to use mules 100% of the time, especially in the early-mid game
Not just saving scans, but using some aggressively vs other forms of scouting too. Polt made the decision not to scout anything more than he had seen from pressure at the front that game and it wasn't the first time, he does it regularly to have more money and earlier timings. If that wasn't an option, the game would be less deep.
You can also count out the orbital energy spent recently by the amount of mules mining. He could make a ton of choices and while having a dark shrine pretty early isn't binary, spending 150 energy to leave both of your orbitals at around 5-20 energy when you don't have the ability to build a turret is quite risky.
At the same time, early DT cheeses are purely binary - does he have a scan? If he does, my cheese fails badly
Cloaked units vs scans in early-midgame are so much more intricate than that. The game wasn't even passive either
Yeah people dont understand that saving scans is a decision made by the player. its not like you HAVE to use mules 100% of the time, especially in the early-mid game
Not just saving scans, but using some aggressively vs other forms of scouting too. Polt made the decision not to scout anything more than he had seen from pressure at the front that game and it wasn't the first time, he does it regularly to have more money and earlier timings. If that wasn't an option, the game would be less deep.
You can also count out the orbital energy spent recently by the amount of mules mining. He could make a ton of choices and while having a dark shrine pretty early isn't binary, spending 150 energy to leave both of your orbitals at around 5-20 energy when you don't have the ability to build a turret is quite risky.
The stream chat was like 50% balance whine, I have not seen anything that bad for quite a long time
DT cheeses work fundamentally differently from cheeses of other kinds - you could defend other cheeses even if you didn't scout it, so long as you have excellent micro. There is no such nuance to DT cheeses - if you don't scout it, you are effectively doomed if you lack a scan, regardless of your ability to control your units. As far as the availability of options go - yes, scanning as opposed to muling adds a risk/reward factor to the game which increases its depth - but when the reward is constant, set, and is meant to help you catch up to the opponent's slightly superior economic position, while the risk ranges from easily defendable to lethal - one side can definitely be said to have far more early-game options than the other.
On April 10 2016 12:16 BeStFAN wrote: oh my god polt HAD that base trade and then he loses to a DT drop in game 6
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Polt may be Polt but PROTOSS WILL ALWAYS BE PROTOSS
Yeah, because flying buildings off the map is not BS, while DTs are clearly BS?
Lol. May I remind you that buildings fly since 1998, and that there are numerous counters to them? At the same time, early DT cheeses are purely binary - does he have a scan? If he does, my cheese fails badly - if not, I kill all his workers and win the game.
You can shit on anything in the game by calling it a "cheese". Puck would not have even been behind in the game if polt got 3 free turrets in his base before the warp prism came in
On April 10 2016 12:15 Shellshock wrote: bigger upset? neeb + puck qualifying from NA or Cham winning Copa America?
Honestly, I wasn't too surprised when neeb made I through as he did last time, but I was very surprised when puck won against hydra twice and then in the rematch against polt. Puck's been a good player, but never "beat hydra twice and then polt" good. Maybe a combination of off days plus some good Starcraft by puck.
puCK's PvZ is good. Beating hydra isn't completely surprising. Beating Polt was much more so.
Well in general, Protoss through WoL and HotS have struggled less against Zerg than Terran, but if puCK's PvZ is good, Hydra's ZvP is even better.. But yeah, Puck having close to a 50% winrate and still managing to pull off a win versus Polt was definitely an even bigger upset.
You can shit on anything in the game by calling it a "cheese". Puck would not have even been behind in the game if polt got 3 free turrets in his base before the warp prism came in.
The risk was on polt for playing like he did in the very early game (he went down by 1.5x on worker count to do a big attack with an scv pulled for proxy bunker)
Well done on being obtuse and missing the fundamental message of my post. I don't give a damn whether or not calling something a 'cheese' equates to 'shitting' on it - early Dark Shrines represent a significant investment and deviation from regular Protoss builds, which means that Protoss has to do significant damage to level his position with Terran's. Most cheeses share this characteristic; I don't have a problem with early Dark Shrines for being cheesy.
My problem with them is that they are far too punishing and binary. If Terran doesn't scout them (note that DS can be proxied, a relatively frequent occurrence), and lacks a scan when they arrive, he is almost certainly doomed. In this case, Polt decided to execute a 1-base Hellion-Marines attack with an expansion behind it, and was down 12 workers, as well as being left with a weak tech. At this point, any kind of punishment by Protoss with superior tech could have been attempted - but Polt could have defended all of them (Adept, Oracle, even Blink Stalkers) with good micromanagement, even if he didn't see them coming. With DTs, he had no such opportunities - he simply died on the spot. Now, should Terran be weak and vulnerable after failed early, heavy aggression? Yes. Should he be vulnerable to punishment? Of course. The problem is that the punishment is unquestionably and irrevokably fatal; this kind of 3 buttons strategy is rather stupid, if I must say.
which means that Protoss has to do significant damage to level his position with Terran's
Defense and map control have real value and there's no need to level a position if you're ahead/even before using them offensively
and was down 12 workers
Being down 12 workers isn't game ending when you have 60 workers but it is pretty terrible when you have 24
The problem is that the punishment is unquestionably and irrevokably fatal
Polt made that decision himself when he used all three casts of the orbital on mules. He did that knowing that it would open him up to near-instant death if that situation happened but it would put him in a stronger position otherwise - you really need to give more credit to these players
Great puCK managed to win it after he was 0:2. Somehow, I needed to go sleep after game 4, but as far as I read, the game 5 must have been really good :-)