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On March 04 2016 19:17 Musicus wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2016 19:14 Salteador Neo wrote:On March 04 2016 19:10 mCon.Hephaistas wrote:
And this is why roach ravager is probably gonna fall out of fashion pretty soon If liberator is nerfed somehow then maybe LBM can become standard again. Atm the standard opening for TvZ seems to be liberator harass. That's pretty cool for an anti ground siege unit that is also a hard counter to mutas, faster than warp prism and 180HP, all for 150/150  I mean LBM is a thing now, it's just different. You no longer want to get to 40 mutas which I consider good for the game. You get the first 10 and then get corruptors vs the Liberators while teching to ultras. In HotS we saw LBM all game long, now the goal is to get ultras out fast and use the mutas to defend.
Good points. I don't think terrans think ultras are fair tho. I personally like how they finally hard counter marines, problem is that marauders are a bit too bad against them now. You either have several libs before they rushed ultras or better make a damn good simcity?
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On March 04 2016 19:27 Salteador Neo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2016 19:17 Musicus wrote:On March 04 2016 19:14 Salteador Neo wrote:On March 04 2016 19:10 mCon.Hephaistas wrote:
And this is why roach ravager is probably gonna fall out of fashion pretty soon If liberator is nerfed somehow then maybe LBM can become standard again. Atm the standard opening for TvZ seems to be liberator harass. That's pretty cool for an anti ground siege unit that is also a hard counter to mutas, faster than warp prism and 180HP, all for 150/150 I mean LBM is a thing now, it's just different. You no longer want to get to 40 mutas which I consider good for the game. You get the first 10 and then get corruptors vs the Liberators while teching to ultras. In HotS we saw LBM all game long, now the goal is to get ultras out fast and use the mutas to defend. Good points. I don't think terrans think ultras are fair tho. I personally like how they finally hard counter marines, problem is that marauders are a bit too bad against them now. You either have several libs before they rushed ultras or better make a damn good simcity?
Ultra need to be bullshit or terran will more comfortable to go full Happy.
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On March 04 2016 19:27 Salteador Neo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2016 19:17 Musicus wrote:On March 04 2016 19:14 Salteador Neo wrote:On March 04 2016 19:10 mCon.Hephaistas wrote:
And this is why roach ravager is probably gonna fall out of fashion pretty soon If liberator is nerfed somehow then maybe LBM can become standard again. Atm the standard opening for TvZ seems to be liberator harass. That's pretty cool for an anti ground siege unit that is also a hard counter to mutas, faster than warp prism and 180HP, all for 150/150 I mean LBM is a thing now, it's just different. You no longer want to get to 40 mutas which I consider good for the game. You get the first 10 and then get corruptors vs the Liberators while teching to ultras. In HotS we saw LBM all game long, now the goal is to get ultras out fast and use the mutas to defend. Good points. I don't think terrans think ultras are fair tho. I personally like how they finally hard counter marines, problem is that marauders are a bit too bad against them now. You either have several libs before they rushed ultras or better make a damn good simcity?
Honestly, simcity isn't as good against ultras as it used to be. They can tank so much now that there's time for the Zerg to kill parts of the simcity before losing the ultras. Better hope you either have a good liberator count or a bunch of thors (or a lot of tanks) when ultras get plating.
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On March 04 2016 19:29 seemsgood wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2016 19:27 Salteador Neo wrote:On March 04 2016 19:17 Musicus wrote:On March 04 2016 19:14 Salteador Neo wrote:On March 04 2016 19:10 mCon.Hephaistas wrote:
And this is why roach ravager is probably gonna fall out of fashion pretty soon If liberator is nerfed somehow then maybe LBM can become standard again. Atm the standard opening for TvZ seems to be liberator harass. That's pretty cool for an anti ground siege unit that is also a hard counter to mutas, faster than warp prism and 180HP, all for 150/150 I mean LBM is a thing now, it's just different. You no longer want to get to 40 mutas which I consider good for the game. You get the first 10 and then get corruptors vs the Liberators while teching to ultras. In HotS we saw LBM all game long, now the goal is to get ultras out fast and use the mutas to defend. Good points. I don't think terrans think ultras are fair tho. I personally like how they finally hard counter marines, problem is that marauders are a bit too bad against them now. You either have several libs before they rushed ultras or better make a damn good simcity? Ultra need to be bullshit or terran will more comfortable to go full Happy.
People don't want to play like that.
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Czech Republic12129 Posts
On March 04 2016 19:29 seemsgood wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2016 19:27 Salteador Neo wrote:On March 04 2016 19:17 Musicus wrote:On March 04 2016 19:14 Salteador Neo wrote:On March 04 2016 19:10 mCon.Hephaistas wrote:
And this is why roach ravager is probably gonna fall out of fashion pretty soon If liberator is nerfed somehow then maybe LBM can become standard again. Atm the standard opening for TvZ seems to be liberator harass. That's pretty cool for an anti ground siege unit that is also a hard counter to mutas, faster than warp prism and 180HP, all for 150/150 I mean LBM is a thing now, it's just different. You no longer want to get to 40 mutas which I consider good for the game. You get the first 10 and then get corruptors vs the Liberators while teching to ultras. In HotS we saw LBM all game long, now the goal is to get ultras out fast and use the mutas to defend. Good points. I don't think terrans think ultras are fair tho. I personally like how they finally hard counter marines, problem is that marauders are a bit too bad against them now. You either have several libs before they rushed ultras or better make a damn good simcity? Ultra need to be bullshit or terran will more comfortable to go full Happy.
Full Happy is mech + ghost?(TvP, I don't think I saw his TvZ)
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You better not throw this one, Classic
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On March 04 2016 19:30 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2016 19:29 seemsgood wrote:On March 04 2016 19:27 Salteador Neo wrote:On March 04 2016 19:17 Musicus wrote:On March 04 2016 19:14 Salteador Neo wrote:On March 04 2016 19:10 mCon.Hephaistas wrote:
And this is why roach ravager is probably gonna fall out of fashion pretty soon If liberator is nerfed somehow then maybe LBM can become standard again. Atm the standard opening for TvZ seems to be liberator harass. That's pretty cool for an anti ground siege unit that is also a hard counter to mutas, faster than warp prism and 180HP, all for 150/150 I mean LBM is a thing now, it's just different. You no longer want to get to 40 mutas which I consider good for the game. You get the first 10 and then get corruptors vs the Liberators while teching to ultras. In HotS we saw LBM all game long, now the goal is to get ultras out fast and use the mutas to defend. Good points. I don't think terrans think ultras are fair tho. I personally like how they finally hard counter marines, problem is that marauders are a bit too bad against them now. You either have several libs before they rushed ultras or better make a damn good simcity? Ultra need to be bullshit or terran will more comfortable to go full Happy. People don't want to play like that.
At the end of hots there were so many terrans that played mech on ladder.
People will play it if it's strong and reliable
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On March 04 2016 19:31 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2016 19:29 seemsgood wrote:On March 04 2016 19:27 Salteador Neo wrote:On March 04 2016 19:17 Musicus wrote:On March 04 2016 19:14 Salteador Neo wrote:On March 04 2016 19:10 mCon.Hephaistas wrote:
And this is why roach ravager is probably gonna fall out of fashion pretty soon If liberator is nerfed somehow then maybe LBM can become standard again. Atm the standard opening for TvZ seems to be liberator harass. That's pretty cool for an anti ground siege unit that is also a hard counter to mutas, faster than warp prism and 180HP, all for 150/150 I mean LBM is a thing now, it's just different. You no longer want to get to 40 mutas which I consider good for the game. You get the first 10 and then get corruptors vs the Liberators while teching to ultras. In HotS we saw LBM all game long, now the goal is to get ultras out fast and use the mutas to defend. Good points. I don't think terrans think ultras are fair tho. I personally like how they finally hard counter marines, problem is that marauders are a bit too bad against them now. You either have several libs before they rushed ultras or better make a damn good simcity? Ultra need to be bullshit or terran will more comfortable to go full Happy. Full Happy is mech + ghost?(TvP, I don't think I saw his TvZ)
Mass liberator/ghost.
On March 04 2016 19:32 mCon.Hephaistas wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2016 19:30 Elentos wrote:On March 04 2016 19:29 seemsgood wrote:On March 04 2016 19:27 Salteador Neo wrote:On March 04 2016 19:17 Musicus wrote:On March 04 2016 19:14 Salteador Neo wrote:On March 04 2016 19:10 mCon.Hephaistas wrote:
And this is why roach ravager is probably gonna fall out of fashion pretty soon If liberator is nerfed somehow then maybe LBM can become standard again. Atm the standard opening for TvZ seems to be liberator harass. That's pretty cool for an anti ground siege unit that is also a hard counter to mutas, faster than warp prism and 180HP, all for 150/150 I mean LBM is a thing now, it's just different. You no longer want to get to 40 mutas which I consider good for the game. You get the first 10 and then get corruptors vs the Liberators while teching to ultras. In HotS we saw LBM all game long, now the goal is to get ultras out fast and use the mutas to defend. Good points. I don't think terrans think ultras are fair tho. I personally like how they finally hard counter marines, problem is that marauders are a bit too bad against them now. You either have several libs before they rushed ultras or better make a damn good simcity? Ultra need to be bullshit or terran will more comfortable to go full Happy. People don't want to play like that. At the end of hots there were so many terrans that played mech on ladder. People will play it if it's strong and reliable
Mech was the better way to win. If ultras get nerfed there's better ways to win for Terran than to drag the game out for 40 minutes and meticulously control ghosts.
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On March 04 2016 19:31 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2016 19:29 seemsgood wrote:On March 04 2016 19:27 Salteador Neo wrote:On March 04 2016 19:17 Musicus wrote:On March 04 2016 19:14 Salteador Neo wrote:On March 04 2016 19:10 mCon.Hephaistas wrote:
And this is why roach ravager is probably gonna fall out of fashion pretty soon If liberator is nerfed somehow then maybe LBM can become standard again. Atm the standard opening for TvZ seems to be liberator harass. That's pretty cool for an anti ground siege unit that is also a hard counter to mutas, faster than warp prism and 180HP, all for 150/150 I mean LBM is a thing now, it's just different. You no longer want to get to 40 mutas which I consider good for the game. You get the first 10 and then get corruptors vs the Liberators while teching to ultras. In HotS we saw LBM all game long, now the goal is to get ultras out fast and use the mutas to defend. Good points. I don't think terrans think ultras are fair tho. I personally like how they finally hard counter marines, problem is that marauders are a bit too bad against them now. You either have several libs before they rushed ultras or better make a damn good simcity? Ultra need to be bullshit or terran will more comfortable to go full Happy. Full Happy is mech + ghost?(TvP, I don't think I saw his TvZ)
Ghost and liberator.It is beatable but very hard cause wtih liberator range ,ghost alway have better position to EMP viper.
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On March 04 2016 19:27 Salteador Neo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2016 19:17 Musicus wrote:On March 04 2016 19:14 Salteador Neo wrote:On March 04 2016 19:10 mCon.Hephaistas wrote:
And this is why roach ravager is probably gonna fall out of fashion pretty soon If liberator is nerfed somehow then maybe LBM can become standard again. Atm the standard opening for TvZ seems to be liberator harass. That's pretty cool for an anti ground siege unit that is also a hard counter to mutas, faster than warp prism and 180HP, all for 150/150 I mean LBM is a thing now, it's just different. You no longer want to get to 40 mutas which I consider good for the game. You get the first 10 and then get corruptors vs the Liberators while teching to ultras. In HotS we saw LBM all game long, now the goal is to get ultras out fast and use the mutas to defend. Good points. I don't think terrans think ultras are fair tho. I personally like how they finally hard counter marines, problem is that marauders are a bit too bad against them now. You either have several libs before they rushed ultras or better make a damn good simcity?
I think terran midgame is too strong and zerg late game (mostly ultras) is too strong. Right now it somehow balances out because T gets ahead or can outright kill Z befre Ultras, but I think 1 less armor on ultras would be good for the game. You can look into nerfing terran midgame from there if it's needed, but it should be fine.
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Czech Republic12129 Posts
Thanks guys, I saw Happy in HotS the last time, that's why I was referring to him with this outdated composition. But yeah, it's him 
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On March 04 2016 19:34 Musicus wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2016 19:27 Salteador Neo wrote:On March 04 2016 19:17 Musicus wrote:On March 04 2016 19:14 Salteador Neo wrote:On March 04 2016 19:10 mCon.Hephaistas wrote:
And this is why roach ravager is probably gonna fall out of fashion pretty soon If liberator is nerfed somehow then maybe LBM can become standard again. Atm the standard opening for TvZ seems to be liberator harass. That's pretty cool for an anti ground siege unit that is also a hard counter to mutas, faster than warp prism and 180HP, all for 150/150 I mean LBM is a thing now, it's just different. You no longer want to get to 40 mutas which I consider good for the game. You get the first 10 and then get corruptors vs the Liberators while teching to ultras. In HotS we saw LBM all game long, now the goal is to get ultras out fast and use the mutas to defend. Good points. I don't think terrans think ultras are fair tho. I personally like how they finally hard counter marines, problem is that marauders are a bit too bad against them now. You either have several libs before they rushed ultras or better make a damn good simcity? I think terran midgame is too strong and zerg late game (mostly ultras) is too strong. Right now it somehow balances out because T gets ahead or can outright kill Z befre Ultras, but I think 1 less armor on ultras would be good for the game. You can look into nerfing terran midgame from there if it's needed, but it should be fine.
Remove tankivac and nerf liberator range is right direction.
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On March 04 2016 19:36 seemsgood wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2016 19:34 Musicus wrote:On March 04 2016 19:27 Salteador Neo wrote:On March 04 2016 19:17 Musicus wrote:On March 04 2016 19:14 Salteador Neo wrote:On March 04 2016 19:10 mCon.Hephaistas wrote:
And this is why roach ravager is probably gonna fall out of fashion pretty soon If liberator is nerfed somehow then maybe LBM can become standard again. Atm the standard opening for TvZ seems to be liberator harass. That's pretty cool for an anti ground siege unit that is also a hard counter to mutas, faster than warp prism and 180HP, all for 150/150 I mean LBM is a thing now, it's just different. You no longer want to get to 40 mutas which I consider good for the game. You get the first 10 and then get corruptors vs the Liberators while teching to ultras. In HotS we saw LBM all game long, now the goal is to get ultras out fast and use the mutas to defend. Good points. I don't think terrans think ultras are fair tho. I personally like how they finally hard counter marines, problem is that marauders are a bit too bad against them now. You either have several libs before they rushed ultras or better make a damn good simcity? I think terran midgame is too strong and zerg late game (mostly ultras) is too strong. Right now it somehow balances out because T gets ahead or can outright kill Z befre Ultras, but I think 1 less armor on ultras would be good for the game. You can look into nerfing terran midgame from there if it's needed, but it should be fine. Remove tankivac and nerf liberator range is right direction.
Gotta nerf corrosive bile too then. Could certainly work.
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Wow Creator this would have been so good for you if you'd focused down the prism with your overcharge ._.
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Meta evolve so quickly.... in before everyone just thrown ball in each other now they play like....tvp in WOL.
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Creator has the worst Artosis pylons...
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