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On March 04 2016 23:09 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2016 23:08 10bulgares wrote:
At this stage, I'm surprised not to see more balance whine from protoss players. Or maybe I missed it?
Or is it the mods on TL who are less tolerant? For 5 months they are ignoring PvZ, people already resigned probably. Also Classic could have played better.
Classic, who was not at his top, was one bad wall away from defeating Solar, an absolute muderer of Protosses, his game one for instance was really encouraging for late game PvZ.
If you really look at last weeks of korean scene you can see the meta evolving and see a trend where Protosses are defeating more and more Zergs.
On the other hand, Classic really looked unable to deal with liberators...
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On March 04 2016 23:23 Gwavajuice wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2016 23:09 deacon.frost wrote:On March 04 2016 23:08 10bulgares wrote:
At this stage, I'm surprised not to see more balance whine from protoss players. Or maybe I missed it?
Or is it the mods on TL who are less tolerant? For 5 months they are ignoring PvZ, people already resigned probably. Also Classic could have played better. Classic, who was not at his top, was one bad wall away from defeating Solar, an absolute muderer of Protosses, his game one for instance was really encouraging for late game PvZ. If you really look at last weeks of korean scene you can see the meta evolving and see a trend where Protosses are defeating more and more Zergs. On the other hand, Classic really looked unable to deal with liberators...
And those weren't liberators with the range upgrade, so it was in due part incompetence.
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Nice work, Speed!
KT BEST KT
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On March 04 2016 23:31 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2016 23:23 Gwavajuice wrote:On March 04 2016 23:09 deacon.frost wrote:On March 04 2016 23:08 10bulgares wrote:
At this stage, I'm surprised not to see more balance whine from protoss players. Or maybe I missed it?
Or is it the mods on TL who are less tolerant? For 5 months they are ignoring PvZ, people already resigned probably. Also Classic could have played better. Classic, who was not at his top, was one bad wall away from defeating Solar, an absolute muderer of Protosses, his game one for instance was really encouraging for late game PvZ. If you really look at last weeks of korean scene you can see the meta evolving and see a trend where Protosses are defeating more and more Zergs. On the other hand, Classic really looked unable to deal with liberators... And those weren't liberators with the range upgrade, so it was in due part incompetence.
With that positioning he needed another answer than ground army. It's actually hilarious if you read that Avilo thread where he claims Protoss has good GtA.
Speed used liberators very well and he denied ground response. He played the map the best possible way, but showed how OP liberators can be when used properly on a map that allows such play.
And don't forget that accidental move of Phoenixes  (that doom drop)
All in all, Speed played very well, Classic had bad luck and wasn't playing that well.
Edit> + ghosts.
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Honestly SpeeD overlapped his liberators far too much a bunch of times. And if Classic doesn't fight in the middle of the map for no reason in game 2, he probably wins 2-0.
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On March 04 2016 23:45 Elentos wrote:
Honestly SpeeD overlapped his liberators far too much a bunch of times. And if Classic doesn't fight in the middle of the map for no reason in game 2, he probably wins 2-0.
Liberators covered the whole path to attack, in a way Speed created "force fields" in that place. And it worked 
(but yeah, that random attack in the middle of the map will haunt him)
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Yeah Speeeeeed!!!!
And Classic with the Double reversibel sweep. That hurts a lot!! I think Patience was still in his head from the SSL.
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Damn Classic very disappointing oveverall.
Hard time for my liquibets
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On March 04 2016 23:08 10bulgares wrote:
At this stage, I'm surprised not to see more balance whine from protoss players. Or maybe I missed it?
Or is it the mods on TL who are less tolerant?
It's GSL. We do what anyone else would do. Blame Shine 
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I watched the games this morning, amazing SC2 day ! SpeeD really surprised me, it's cool to see some new blood even if it's at the expense of one of my favorite Protosses ever, Classic. But I think he still needs to find his rythm in LotV, he made a lot of mistakes and overall didn't deserve to advance even if he had a great opportunity on Orbital.
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On March 05 2016 02:38 [PkF] Wire wrote:
I watched the games this morning, amazing SC2 day ! SpeeD really surprised me, it's cool to see some new blood even if it's at the expense of one of my favorites Protosses ever, Classic. But I think he still needs to find his rythm in LotV, he made a lot of mistakes and overall didn't deserve to advance even if he had a great opportunity on Orbital.
The interesting thing about SpeeD is that he was a B-teamer for years on Samsung and SKT and that he'd actually already retired a while ago. And a few months after coming back, KT picked him up, and now in LotV he's finally getting somewhere. It's a cool story.
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Solar can potentially win both S2SL and GSL!!!!!!!! Gogogo!!!!!
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On March 05 2016 02:45 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2016 02:38 [PkF] Wire wrote:
I watched the games this morning, amazing SC2 day ! SpeeD really surprised me, it's cool to see some new blood even if it's at the expense of one of my favorites Protosses ever, Classic. But I think he still needs to find his rythm in LotV, he made a lot of mistakes and overall didn't deserve to advance even if he had a great opportunity on Orbital. The interesting thing about SpeeD is that he was a B-teamer for years on Samsung and SKT and that he'd actually already retired a while ago. And a few months after coming back, KT picked him up, and now in LotV he's finally getting somewhere. It's a cool story.
yeah a lot of cool stories in fact with him, Byun, Taeja, HerO... Not enough to counter act all the disbandings and retirements, but that's some light.
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Fuck yeah Speed! Picked the liquibets right too!
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On March 05 2016 04:07 Phredxor wrote:
Fuck yeah Speed! Picked the liquibets right too!
10/10 solid bias.
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WOW! I went to sleep because I thought SpeeD was donezo, what a pleasant surprise to wake up to!!
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I'd say this is the first time I've actually laughed so hard I cried since the "one fish, two fish, red fish, blue TANK" moment. Tastosis absolutely killed it.
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Just saw the SpeeD vs Classic series. That G3 was siiick.
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Damn, Speed needs a fanclub! First new rookie in Code S ro16 in how long?
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On March 05 2016 02:45 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2016 02:38 [PkF] Wire wrote:
I watched the games this morning, amazing SC2 day ! SpeeD really surprised me, it's cool to see some new blood even if it's at the expense of one of my favorites Protosses ever, Classic. But I think he still needs to find his rythm in LotV, he made a lot of mistakes and overall didn't deserve to advance even if he had a great opportunity on Orbital. The interesting thing about SpeeD is that he was a B-teamer for years on Samsung and SKT and that he'd actually already retired a while ago. And a few months after coming back, KT picked him up, and now in LotV he's finally getting somewhere. It's a cool story.
I had no clue! That's really interesting! Happy for SpeeD. I love Classic but he's won enough. Give ol' Rudy the underdog a chance.
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