★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (2)
29%
★ - Do not see this game no matter what (1)
14%
★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (0)
0%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (0)
0%
7 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Solar vs SpeeD Game 1?
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
Poll: Recommend Solar vs SpeeD Game 2?
★★★ - Good game (5)
63%
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (2)
25%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (1)
13%
★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (0)
0%
★ - Do not see this game no matter what (0)
0%
8 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Solar vs SpeeD Game 2?
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
Poll: Recommend Solar vs SpeeD Game 3?
★★★ - Good game (2)
40%
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (2)
40%
★ - Do not see this game no matter what (1)
20%
★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (0)
0%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (0)
0%
5 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Solar vs SpeeD Game 3?
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (1)
10%
★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (0)
0%
★ - Do not see this game no matter what (0)
0%
10 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Creator vs Classic Game 1?
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
Poll: Recommend Creator vs Classic Game 2?
★★★ - Good game (4)
50%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (2)
25%
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (2)
25%
★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (0)
0%
★ - Do not see this game no matter what (0)
0%
8 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Creator vs Classic Game 2?
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
Poll: Recommend Creator vs Classic Game 3?
★★★ - Good game (4)
67%
★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (1)
17%
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (1)
17%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (0)
0%
★ - Do not see this game no matter what (0)
0%
6 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Creator vs Classic Game 3?
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (0)
0%
★ - Do not see this game no matter what (0)
0%
4 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Solar vs Classic Game 1?
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
Poll: Recommend Solar vs Classic Game 2?
★★★ - Good game (2)
33%
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (2)
33%
★ - Do not see this game no matter what (2)
33%
★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (0)
0%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (0)
0%
6 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Solar vs Classic Game 2?
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
Poll: Recommend Solar vs Classic Game 3?
★★★ - Good game (5)
36%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (5)
36%
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (2)
14%
★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (1)
7%
★ - Do not see this game no matter what (1)
7%
14 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Solar vs Classic Game 3?
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (4)
67%
★★★ - Good game (1)
17%
★ - Do not see this game no matter what (1)
17%
★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (0)
0%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (0)
0%
6 total votes
Your vote: Recommend SpeeD vs Creator Game 1?
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
Poll: Recommend SpeeD vs Creator Game 2?
★ - Do not see this game no matter what (4)
50%
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (3)
38%
★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (1)
13%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (0)
0%
★★★ - Good game (0)
0%
8 total votes
Your vote: Recommend SpeeD vs Creator Game 2?
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
Poll: Recommend SpeeD vs Creator Game 3?
★★★ - Good game (7)
78%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (2)
22%
★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (0)
0%
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (0)
0%
★ - Do not see this game no matter what (0)
0%
9 total votes
Your vote: Recommend SpeeD vs Creator Game 3?
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (0)
0%
★ - Do not see this game no matter what (0)
0%
6 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Classic vs SpeeD Game 1?
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
Poll: Recommend Classic vs SpeeD Game 2?
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (5)
42%
★★★ - Good game (3)
25%
★ - Do not see this game no matter what (3)
25%
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (1)
8%
★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (0)
0%
12 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Classic vs SpeeD Game 2?
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
Poll: Recommend Classic vs SpeeD Game 3?
★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (21)
66%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (8)
25%
★ - Do not see this game no matter what (3)
9%
★★★ - Good game (0)
0%
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (0)
0%
32 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Classic vs SpeeD Game 3?
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
(Vote): Solar and SpeeD (Vote): Solar and Classic (Vote): Solar and Creator (Vote): Classic and Creator (Vote): Classic and SpeeD (Vote): Creator and SpeeD
Poll: Head?
Solar and Classic (10)
67%
Classic and Creator (2)
13%
Classic and SpeeD (2)
13%
Solar and SpeeD (1)
7%
Solar and Creator (0)
0%
Creator and SpeeD (0)
0%
15 total votes
Your vote: Head?
(Vote): Solar and SpeeD (Vote): Solar and Classic (Vote): Solar and Creator (Vote): Classic and Creator (Vote): Classic and SpeeD (Vote): Creator and SpeeD
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (2)
29%
★ - Do not see this game no matter what (1)
14%
★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (0)
0%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (0)
0%
7 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Solar vs SpeeD Game 1?
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
On March 04 2016 19:03 deacon.frost wrote: Innovation was building Thors vs. Foreigner zergs. Then he was broken by the Hero of a Marine So build thors and don't play vs. Heromarine xD
On March 04 2016 19:03 deacon.frost wrote: Innovation was building Thors vs. Foreigner zergs. Then he was broken by the Hero of a Marine So build thors and don't play vs. Heromarine xD
On March 04 2016 19:03 deacon.frost wrote: Innovation was building Thors vs. Foreigner zergs. Then he was broken by the Hero of a Marine So build thors and don't play vs. Heromarine xD
It was MarinelorD, not Heromarine.
OK, The Lord of Flies a Marine
I get them always wrong It's like Sen and San ><
Sen and San sound completely different to me lol :D tho I remember when I was getting into sc2 a few years ago sOs vs soO sounding so fucking weird to me.
On March 04 2016 19:03 deacon.frost wrote: Innovation was building Thors vs. Foreigner zergs. Then he was broken by the Hero of a Marine So build thors and don't play vs. Heromarine xD
It was MarinelorD, not Heromarine.
OK, The Lord of Flies a Marine
I get them always wrong It's like Sen and San ><
Sen and San sound completely different to me lol :D tho I remember when I was getting into sc2 a few years ago sOs vs soO sounding so fucking weird to me.
It's not about sounding, it's too much similarly written. Never mind, there are worse problems in the world
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (2)
25%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (1)
13%
★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (0)
0%
★ - Do not see this game no matter what (0)
0%
8 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Solar vs SpeeD Game 2?
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
terran does not ever have to defend vs this style all game long and is in full control of the map and the game, i wonder how korean zergs can win with this
On March 04 2016 19:10 Tsubbi wrote: terran does not ever have to defend vs this style all game long and is in full control of the map and the game, i wonder how korean zergs can win with this
Cause terrans love doom dropping into infestor ravager and love 80 supply in full medivacs then die. Kind of like tvp
On March 04 2016 19:10 mCon.Hephaistas wrote: And this is why roach ravager is probably gonna fall out of fashion pretty soon
If liberator is nerfed somehow then maybe LBM can become standard again.
Atm the standard opening for TvZ seems to be liberator harass. That's pretty cool for an anti ground siege unit that is also a hard counter to mutas, faster than warp prism and 180HP, all for 150/150
On March 04 2016 19:10 mCon.Hephaistas wrote: And this is why roach ravager is probably gonna fall out of fashion pretty soon
If liberator is nerfed somehow then maybe LBM can become standard again.
Atm the standard opening for TvZ seems to be liberator harass. That's pretty cool for an anti ground siege unit that is also a hard counter to mutas, faster than warp prism and 180HP, all for 150/150
I mean LBM is a thing now, it's just different. You no longer want to get to 40 mutas which I consider good for the game. You get the first 10 and then get corruptors vs the Liberators while teching to ultras. In HotS we saw LBM all game long, now the goal is to get ultras out fast and use the mutas to defend.
On March 04 2016 19:10 mCon.Hephaistas wrote: And this is why roach ravager is probably gonna fall out of fashion pretty soon
If liberator is nerfed somehow then maybe LBM can become standard again.
Atm the standard opening for TvZ seems to be liberator harass. That's pretty cool for an anti ground siege unit that is also a hard counter to mutas, faster than warp prism and 180HP, all for 150/150
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (2)
40%
★ - Do not see this game no matter what (1)
20%
★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (0)
0%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (0)
0%
5 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Solar vs SpeeD Game 3?
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
On March 04 2016 19:10 mCon.Hephaistas wrote: And this is why roach ravager is probably gonna fall out of fashion pretty soon
If liberator is nerfed somehow then maybe LBM can become standard again.
Atm the standard opening for TvZ seems to be liberator harass. That's pretty cool for an anti ground siege unit that is also a hard counter to mutas, faster than warp prism and 180HP, all for 150/150
Everybody got used to it by why the hell can this unit be reactored?
On March 04 2016 19:10 mCon.Hephaistas wrote: And this is why roach ravager is probably gonna fall out of fashion pretty soon
If liberator is nerfed somehow then maybe LBM can become standard again.
Atm the standard opening for TvZ seems to be liberator harass. That's pretty cool for an anti ground siege unit that is also a hard counter to mutas, faster than warp prism and 180HP, all for 150/150
Everybody got used to it by why the hell can this unit be reactored?
On March 04 2016 19:10 mCon.Hephaistas wrote: And this is why roach ravager is probably gonna fall out of fashion pretty soon
If liberator is nerfed somehow then maybe LBM can become standard again.
Atm the standard opening for TvZ seems to be liberator harass. That's pretty cool for an anti ground siege unit that is also a hard counter to mutas, faster than warp prism and 180HP, all for 150/150
I mean LBM is a thing now, it's just different. You no longer want to get to 40 mutas which I consider good for the game. You get the first 10 and then get corruptors vs the Liberators while teching to ultras. In HotS we saw LBM all game long, now the goal is to get ultras out fast and use the mutas to defend.
Good points. I don't think terrans think ultras are fair tho. I personally like how they finally hard counter marines, problem is that marauders are a bit too bad against them now. You either have several libs before they rushed ultras or better make a damn good simcity?
On March 04 2016 19:10 mCon.Hephaistas wrote: And this is why roach ravager is probably gonna fall out of fashion pretty soon
If liberator is nerfed somehow then maybe LBM can become standard again.
Atm the standard opening for TvZ seems to be liberator harass. That's pretty cool for an anti ground siege unit that is also a hard counter to mutas, faster than warp prism and 180HP, all for 150/150
I mean LBM is a thing now, it's just different. You no longer want to get to 40 mutas which I consider good for the game. You get the first 10 and then get corruptors vs the Liberators while teching to ultras. In HotS we saw LBM all game long, now the goal is to get ultras out fast and use the mutas to defend.
Good points. I don't think terrans think ultras are fair tho. I personally like how they finally hard counter marines, problem is that marauders are a bit too bad against them now. You either have several libs before they rushed ultras or better make a damn good simcity?
Ultra need to be bullshit or terran will more comfortable to go full Happy.
On March 04 2016 19:10 mCon.Hephaistas wrote: And this is why roach ravager is probably gonna fall out of fashion pretty soon
If liberator is nerfed somehow then maybe LBM can become standard again.
Atm the standard opening for TvZ seems to be liberator harass. That's pretty cool for an anti ground siege unit that is also a hard counter to mutas, faster than warp prism and 180HP, all for 150/150
I mean LBM is a thing now, it's just different. You no longer want to get to 40 mutas which I consider good for the game. You get the first 10 and then get corruptors vs the Liberators while teching to ultras. In HotS we saw LBM all game long, now the goal is to get ultras out fast and use the mutas to defend.
Good points. I don't think terrans think ultras are fair tho. I personally like how they finally hard counter marines, problem is that marauders are a bit too bad against them now. You either have several libs before they rushed ultras or better make a damn good simcity?
Honestly, simcity isn't as good against ultras as it used to be. They can tank so much now that there's time for the Zerg to kill parts of the simcity before losing the ultras. Better hope you either have a good liberator count or a bunch of thors (or a lot of tanks) when ultras get plating.
On March 04 2016 19:10 mCon.Hephaistas wrote: And this is why roach ravager is probably gonna fall out of fashion pretty soon
If liberator is nerfed somehow then maybe LBM can become standard again.
Atm the standard opening for TvZ seems to be liberator harass. That's pretty cool for an anti ground siege unit that is also a hard counter to mutas, faster than warp prism and 180HP, all for 150/150
I mean LBM is a thing now, it's just different. You no longer want to get to 40 mutas which I consider good for the game. You get the first 10 and then get corruptors vs the Liberators while teching to ultras. In HotS we saw LBM all game long, now the goal is to get ultras out fast and use the mutas to defend.
Good points. I don't think terrans think ultras are fair tho. I personally like how they finally hard counter marines, problem is that marauders are a bit too bad against them now. You either have several libs before they rushed ultras or better make a damn good simcity?
Ultra need to be bullshit or terran will more comfortable to go full Happy.
On March 04 2016 19:10 mCon.Hephaistas wrote: And this is why roach ravager is probably gonna fall out of fashion pretty soon
If liberator is nerfed somehow then maybe LBM can become standard again.
Atm the standard opening for TvZ seems to be liberator harass. That's pretty cool for an anti ground siege unit that is also a hard counter to mutas, faster than warp prism and 180HP, all for 150/150
I mean LBM is a thing now, it's just different. You no longer want to get to 40 mutas which I consider good for the game. You get the first 10 and then get corruptors vs the Liberators while teching to ultras. In HotS we saw LBM all game long, now the goal is to get ultras out fast and use the mutas to defend.
Good points. I don't think terrans think ultras are fair tho. I personally like how they finally hard counter marines, problem is that marauders are a bit too bad against them now. You either have several libs before they rushed ultras or better make a damn good simcity?
Ultra need to be bullshit or terran will more comfortable to go full Happy.
Full Happy is mech + ghost?(TvP, I don't think I saw his TvZ)
On March 04 2016 19:10 mCon.Hephaistas wrote: And this is why roach ravager is probably gonna fall out of fashion pretty soon
If liberator is nerfed somehow then maybe LBM can become standard again.
Atm the standard opening for TvZ seems to be liberator harass. That's pretty cool for an anti ground siege unit that is also a hard counter to mutas, faster than warp prism and 180HP, all for 150/150
I mean LBM is a thing now, it's just different. You no longer want to get to 40 mutas which I consider good for the game. You get the first 10 and then get corruptors vs the Liberators while teching to ultras. In HotS we saw LBM all game long, now the goal is to get ultras out fast and use the mutas to defend.
Good points. I don't think terrans think ultras are fair tho. I personally like how they finally hard counter marines, problem is that marauders are a bit too bad against them now. You either have several libs before they rushed ultras or better make a damn good simcity?
Ultra need to be bullshit or terran will more comfortable to go full Happy.
People don't want to play like that.
At the end of hots there were so many terrans that played mech on ladder.
On March 04 2016 19:10 mCon.Hephaistas wrote: And this is why roach ravager is probably gonna fall out of fashion pretty soon
If liberator is nerfed somehow then maybe LBM can become standard again.
Atm the standard opening for TvZ seems to be liberator harass. That's pretty cool for an anti ground siege unit that is also a hard counter to mutas, faster than warp prism and 180HP, all for 150/150
I mean LBM is a thing now, it's just different. You no longer want to get to 40 mutas which I consider good for the game. You get the first 10 and then get corruptors vs the Liberators while teching to ultras. In HotS we saw LBM all game long, now the goal is to get ultras out fast and use the mutas to defend.
Good points. I don't think terrans think ultras are fair tho. I personally like how they finally hard counter marines, problem is that marauders are a bit too bad against them now. You either have several libs before they rushed ultras or better make a damn good simcity?
Ultra need to be bullshit or terran will more comfortable to go full Happy.
Full Happy is mech + ghost?(TvP, I don't think I saw his TvZ)
On March 04 2016 19:10 mCon.Hephaistas wrote: And this is why roach ravager is probably gonna fall out of fashion pretty soon
If liberator is nerfed somehow then maybe LBM can become standard again.
Atm the standard opening for TvZ seems to be liberator harass. That's pretty cool for an anti ground siege unit that is also a hard counter to mutas, faster than warp prism and 180HP, all for 150/150
I mean LBM is a thing now, it's just different. You no longer want to get to 40 mutas which I consider good for the game. You get the first 10 and then get corruptors vs the Liberators while teching to ultras. In HotS we saw LBM all game long, now the goal is to get ultras out fast and use the mutas to defend.
Good points. I don't think terrans think ultras are fair tho. I personally like how they finally hard counter marines, problem is that marauders are a bit too bad against them now. You either have several libs before they rushed ultras or better make a damn good simcity?
Ultra need to be bullshit or terran will more comfortable to go full Happy.
People don't want to play like that.
At the end of hots there were so many terrans that played mech on ladder.
People will play it if it's strong and reliable
Mech was the better way to win. If ultras get nerfed there's better ways to win for Terran than to drag the game out for 40 minutes and meticulously control ghosts.
On March 04 2016 19:10 mCon.Hephaistas wrote: And this is why roach ravager is probably gonna fall out of fashion pretty soon
If liberator is nerfed somehow then maybe LBM can become standard again.
Atm the standard opening for TvZ seems to be liberator harass. That's pretty cool for an anti ground siege unit that is also a hard counter to mutas, faster than warp prism and 180HP, all for 150/150
I mean LBM is a thing now, it's just different. You no longer want to get to 40 mutas which I consider good for the game. You get the first 10 and then get corruptors vs the Liberators while teching to ultras. In HotS we saw LBM all game long, now the goal is to get ultras out fast and use the mutas to defend.
Good points. I don't think terrans think ultras are fair tho. I personally like how they finally hard counter marines, problem is that marauders are a bit too bad against them now. You either have several libs before they rushed ultras or better make a damn good simcity?
Ultra need to be bullshit or terran will more comfortable to go full Happy.
Full Happy is mech + ghost?(TvP, I don't think I saw his TvZ)
Ghost and liberator.It is beatable but very hard cause wtih liberator range ,ghost alway have better position to EMP viper.
On March 04 2016 19:10 mCon.Hephaistas wrote: And this is why roach ravager is probably gonna fall out of fashion pretty soon
If liberator is nerfed somehow then maybe LBM can become standard again.
Atm the standard opening for TvZ seems to be liberator harass. That's pretty cool for an anti ground siege unit that is also a hard counter to mutas, faster than warp prism and 180HP, all for 150/150
I mean LBM is a thing now, it's just different. You no longer want to get to 40 mutas which I consider good for the game. You get the first 10 and then get corruptors vs the Liberators while teching to ultras. In HotS we saw LBM all game long, now the goal is to get ultras out fast and use the mutas to defend.
Good points. I don't think terrans think ultras are fair tho. I personally like how they finally hard counter marines, problem is that marauders are a bit too bad against them now. You either have several libs before they rushed ultras or better make a damn good simcity?
I think terran midgame is too strong and zerg late game (mostly ultras) is too strong. Right now it somehow balances out because T gets ahead or can outright kill Z befre Ultras, but I think 1 less armor on ultras would be good for the game. You can look into nerfing terran midgame from there if it's needed, but it should be fine.
On March 04 2016 19:10 mCon.Hephaistas wrote: And this is why roach ravager is probably gonna fall out of fashion pretty soon
If liberator is nerfed somehow then maybe LBM can become standard again.
Atm the standard opening for TvZ seems to be liberator harass. That's pretty cool for an anti ground siege unit that is also a hard counter to mutas, faster than warp prism and 180HP, all for 150/150
I mean LBM is a thing now, it's just different. You no longer want to get to 40 mutas which I consider good for the game. You get the first 10 and then get corruptors vs the Liberators while teching to ultras. In HotS we saw LBM all game long, now the goal is to get ultras out fast and use the mutas to defend.
Good points. I don't think terrans think ultras are fair tho. I personally like how they finally hard counter marines, problem is that marauders are a bit too bad against them now. You either have several libs before they rushed ultras or better make a damn good simcity?
I think terran midgame is too strong and zerg late game (mostly ultras) is too strong. Right now it somehow balances out because T gets ahead or can outright kill Z befre Ultras, but I think 1 less armor on ultras would be good for the game. You can look into nerfing terran midgame from there if it's needed, but it should be fine.
Remove tankivac and nerf liberator range is right direction.
On March 04 2016 19:10 mCon.Hephaistas wrote: And this is why roach ravager is probably gonna fall out of fashion pretty soon
If liberator is nerfed somehow then maybe LBM can become standard again.
Atm the standard opening for TvZ seems to be liberator harass. That's pretty cool for an anti ground siege unit that is also a hard counter to mutas, faster than warp prism and 180HP, all for 150/150
I mean LBM is a thing now, it's just different. You no longer want to get to 40 mutas which I consider good for the game. You get the first 10 and then get corruptors vs the Liberators while teching to ultras. In HotS we saw LBM all game long, now the goal is to get ultras out fast and use the mutas to defend.
Good points. I don't think terrans think ultras are fair tho. I personally like how they finally hard counter marines, problem is that marauders are a bit too bad against them now. You either have several libs before they rushed ultras or better make a damn good simcity?
I think terran midgame is too strong and zerg late game (mostly ultras) is too strong. Right now it somehow balances out because T gets ahead or can outright kill Z befre Ultras, but I think 1 less armor on ultras would be good for the game. You can look into nerfing terran midgame from there if it's needed, but it should be fine.
Remove tankivac and nerf liberator range is right direction.
Gotta nerf corrosive bile too then. Could certainly work.
On March 04 2016 19:10 mCon.Hephaistas wrote: And this is why roach ravager is probably gonna fall out of fashion pretty soon
If liberator is nerfed somehow then maybe LBM can become standard again.
Atm the standard opening for TvZ seems to be liberator harass. That's pretty cool for an anti ground siege unit that is also a hard counter to mutas, faster than warp prism and 180HP, all for 150/150
I mean LBM is a thing now, it's just different. You no longer want to get to 40 mutas which I consider good for the game. You get the first 10 and then get corruptors vs the Liberators while teching to ultras. In HotS we saw LBM all game long, now the goal is to get ultras out fast and use the mutas to defend.
Good points. I don't think terrans think ultras are fair tho. I personally like how they finally hard counter marines, problem is that marauders are a bit too bad against them now. You either have several libs before they rushed ultras or better make a damn good simcity?
I think terran midgame is too strong and zerg late game (mostly ultras) is too strong. Right now it somehow balances out because T gets ahead or can outright kill Z befre Ultras, but I think 1 less armor on ultras would be good for the game. You can look into nerfing terran midgame from there if it's needed, but it should be fine.
Yup all my exact same thoughts. Midgame stim bio pushes are indeed strong.
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Tbh I'm surprised Classic is still so bad with disruptors. He was weak with them back in December during the SSL qualifiers (he got super outplayed by Trust) and doesn't seem to have improved with them at all.
On March 04 2016 20:13 Elentos wrote: Tbh I'm surprised Classic is still so bad with disruptors. He was weak with them back in December during the SSL qualifiers (he got super outplayed by Trust) and doesn't seem to have improved with them at all.
He may be in bad shape after the choking thing from Yesterday
On March 04 2016 20:12 Weavel wrote: So it's happening again
Well I mean maybe people just took advantage of those odds? The odds were almost 5 for Creator to win. Pinnacle does this more often than I like to think is needed.
On March 04 2016 20:13 Elentos wrote: Tbh I'm surprised Classic is still so bad with disruptors. He was weak with them back in December during the SSL qualifiers (he got super outplayed by Trust) and doesn't seem to have improved with them at all.
He may be in bad shape after the choking thing from Yesterday
Although not a single disruptor ball was made yesterday. Also I think Classic never got +3 attack today.
On March 04 2016 20:12 Weavel wrote: So it's happening again
Well I mean maybe people just took advantage of those odds? The odds were almost 5 for Creator to win. Pinnacle does this more often than I like to think is needed.
On March 04 2016 20:13 Elentos wrote: Tbh I'm surprised Classic is still so bad with disruptors. He was weak with them back in December during the SSL qualifiers (he got super outplayed by Trust) and doesn't seem to have improved with them at all.
He may be in bad shape after the choking thing from Yesterday
Although not a single disruptor ball was made yesterday.
yes, but losing 2:3 after 2 clean wins could left some scars.
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On March 04 2016 20:29 Phredxor wrote: How has GSL been so far?
Rather good. SpeeD put up a good fight against Solar (honestly killed himself with a huge supply block in game 3 and transitioned into anti-ultra too late in game 1), Classic and Creator were all over the place skillwise but it was fun.
On March 04 2016 20:29 Phredxor wrote: How has GSL been so far?
Rather good. SpeeD put up a good fight against Solar (honestly killed himself with a huge supply block in game 3 and transitioned into anti-ultra too late in game 1), Classic and Creator were all over the place skillwise.
On March 04 2016 20:33 deacon.frost wrote: LOL. Classic doesn't have many titles, what is Artosis talking about?
The great Artosis didn't acknowledge Classic after he had won a GSL, no, he didn't acknowledge him after he had won an S2SL aswell, no. What it took to get him to acknowledge Classic was... an IEM win!
On March 04 2016 20:33 deacon.frost wrote: LOL. Classic doesn't have many titles, what is Artosis talking about?
The great Artosis didn't acknowledge Classic after he had won a GSL, no, he didn't acknowledge him after he had won an S2SL aswell, no. What it took to get him to acknowledge Classic was... an IEM win!
On March 04 2016 20:21 Penev wrote: Another Pinnacle voided bet.. A "good" time to ask: What's up with Life at this point?
Haven't finished reading of Count of Monte Cristo yet. Also haven't received ByuN's autobiography describing the escape.
Seriously, would love an update on this issue.
It's the 4th of march, it shouldn.t be possible for him to be in jail any more right?
Everyone involved might be sworn to stay quiet until the time comes.
I still expect at least someone finding out about where Life currently resides. It's possible he never spent much jail time and was released .a long time ago but we should know that imo. Strange that no one keeps track OR he is still in jail which shouldn't be possible..
On March 04 2016 20:29 Phredxor wrote: How has GSL been so far?
Rather good. SpeeD put up a good fight against Solar (honestly killed himself with a huge supply block in game 3 and transitioned into anti-ultra too late in game 1), Classic and Creator were all over the place skillwise but it was fun.
Thanks! I hope SpeeD can become the second Terran for KT. I have 0 faith in jjakji.
On March 04 2016 20:29 Phredxor wrote: How has GSL been so far?
Rather good. SpeeD put up a good fight against Solar (honestly killed himself with a huge supply block in game 3 and transitioned into anti-ultra too late in game 1), Classic and Creator were all over the place skillwise but it was fun.
Thanks! I hope SpeeD can become the second Terran for KT. I have 0 faith in jjakji.
I mean, according to SpeeD himself, he still pretty much never wins in in-house practice. So he's a bit away from that.
On March 04 2016 20:29 Phredxor wrote: How has GSL been so far?
Rather good. SpeeD put up a good fight against Solar (honestly killed himself with a huge supply block in game 3 and transitioned into anti-ultra too late in game 1), Classic and Creator were all over the place skillwise but it was fun.
Thanks! I hope SpeeD can become the second Terran for KT. I have 0 faith in jjakji.
I mean, according to SpeeD he still pretty much never wins in in-house practice.
According to Flash he won 67 out of 70 TvPs in house..
On March 04 2016 20:29 Phredxor wrote: How has GSL been so far?
Rather good. SpeeD put up a good fight against Solar (honestly killed himself with a huge supply block in game 3 and transitioned into anti-ultra too late in game 1), Classic and Creator were all over the place skillwise but it was fun.
Thanks! I hope SpeeD can become the second Terran for KT. I have 0 faith in jjakji.
I mean, according to SpeeD he still pretty much never wins in in-house practice.
According to Flash he won 67 out of 70 TvPs in house..
Or was that on ladder? Either way.
And both are likely telling the truth. The thing is, if he can't win in-house, what reason does he give KT to field him? And keep in mind jjakji at least used to be a high caliber player.
Although from the last games I saw from either of them, they both need to work on making depots.
On March 04 2016 20:45 deacon.frost wrote: OMG, Classic, why the hell do you ALWAY TAKE THE WRONG BASE? Do you don't know how to learn from your mistakes?
He used to play Terran, he feels compelled to expand towards his opponent to improve his pushing power
On March 04 2016 20:45 deacon.frost wrote: OMG, Classic, why the hell do you ALWAY TAKE THE WRONG BASE? Do you don't know how to learn from your mistakes?
He used to play Terran, he feels compelled to expand towards his opponent to improve his pushing power
On March 04 2016 20:29 Phredxor wrote: How has GSL been so far?
Rather good. SpeeD put up a good fight against Solar (honestly killed himself with a huge supply block in game 3 and transitioned into anti-ultra too late in game 1), Classic and Creator were all over the place skillwise but it was fun.
Thanks! I hope SpeeD can become the second Terran for KT. I have 0 faith in jjakji.
I mean, according to SpeeD he still pretty much never wins in in-house practice.
According to Flash he won 67 out of 70 TvPs in house..
Or was that on ladder? Either way.
And both are likely telling the truth. The thing is, if he can't win in-house, what reason does he give KT to field him? And keep in mind jjakji at least used to be a high caliber player.
Although from the last games I saw from either of them, they both need to work on making depots.
Oh yeah I don't expect KT to start fielding him in PL. That's why I hope he can do well here and prove himself. Since Losira isn't turning out as well as I had hoped we need a 4th player for PL still. Leenock and Jjakji are... eh so far.
On March 04 2016 20:47 Sogetsu wrote: Oh man, I really love the new Immortals, they are way better than before in HotS and can be useful in a wide range of situations in LotV.
Old immortal will completely destroy lurkey and walk into liberator without problems.
On March 04 2016 20:47 Sogetsu wrote: Oh man, I really love the new Immortals, they are way better than before in HotS and can be useful in a wide range of situations in LotV.
Old immortal will completely destroy lurkey and walk into liberator without problems.
But the old immortal was only good against armored ground units, the new immortal is good against all ground units :D
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Your vote: Recommend Solar vs Classic Game 1?
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On March 04 2016 20:47 Sogetsu wrote: Oh man, I really love the new Immortals, they are way better than before in HotS and can be useful in a wide range of situations in LotV.
Old immortal will completely destroy lurkey and walk into liberator without problems.
But the old immortal was only good against armored ground units, the new immortal is good against all ground units :D
Not exactly true, it was good in defending early marine pushes and zergling rushes(with wall). It survived really lot. With stim it changed
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On March 04 2016 21:06 Diabolique wrote: I really like Tastosis, but today it is a bit too much. Sometimes casting is better than laughing.
The game has been over for a long time. Not much to say about it.
I know, I meant "talking better than laughing". I switched there late and the only thing, I was hearing, was the laughing for minutes and minutes. And when you are not there at the beginning of the joke, it might be too much.
On March 04 2016 21:06 Diabolique wrote: I really like Tastosis, but today it is a bit too much. Sometimes casting is better than laughing.
The game has been over for a long time. Not much to say about it.
I know, I meant "talking better than laughing". I switched there late and the only think, I was hearing, was the laughing for minutes and minutes. And when are not there at the beginning of the joke, it might be too much.
Watch the VODs once they come out, trust me it'll be worth it.
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Your vote: Recommend Solar vs Classic Game 3?
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On March 04 2016 21:19 Diabolique wrote: Why is Solar so good in individual competitions and not in the team ones? Bad FPL pick ...
Proleague is best of 1. Everyone can lose in that format. Hell, Solar lost a game to SpeeD today and was on the verge of losing 2, despite comfortably advancing in the end.
On March 04 2016 21:19 Diabolique wrote: Why is Solar so good in individual competitions and not in the team ones? Bad FPL pick ...
Proleague is best of 1. Everyone can lose in that format. Hell, Solar lost a game to SpeeD today and was on the verge of losing 2, despite comfortably advancing in the end.
On March 04 2016 21:21 brickrd wrote: actually it makes a lot of sense though, with the pylon and simcity meta for protoss. banes to just trash the defensive setup is a cool idea
Turns out Armani was a genius all along.
Also Solar is literally Zerg Taeja, both with the foreign wins and the balance complaints. Now all he lacks are the wrist issues.
On March 04 2016 21:19 Diabolique wrote: Why is Solar so good in individual competitions and not in the team ones? Bad FPL pick ...
Proleague is best of 1. Everyone can lose in that format. Hell, Solar lost a game to SpeeD today and was on the verge of losing 2, despite comfortably advancing in the end.
It's a consistent thing with Solar though.
2014 SPL: 9-10
2015 SPL: 5-14
Don't even know why I took the risk with putting him on my FPL team this time around -. -
On March 04 2016 21:19 Diabolique wrote: Why is Solar so good in individual competitions and not in the team ones? Bad FPL pick ...
Proleague is best of 1. Everyone can lose in that format. Hell, Solar lost a game to SpeeD today and was on the verge of losing 2, despite comfortably advancing in the end.
It's a consistent thing with Solar though.
2014 SPL: 9-10
2015 SPL: 5-14
Don't even know why I took the risk with putting him on my FPL team this time around -. -
Solar plays almost every online tournament, he's always an extra risk in Proleague because finding snipe builds for him is easier than for others. Plus early 2015 he just played like shit in PL.
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On March 04 2016 21:41 Elentos wrote: Wow, completely rekt. SpeeD would be an awesome archon mode player. He has great macro for the most of it, his partner just has to make the depots
On March 04 2016 21:41 Elentos wrote: Wow, completely rekt. SpeeD would be an awesome archon mode player. He has great macro for the most of it, his partner just has to make the depots
Uhhh, isn't building depots a part of macro?
He's good with production cycles, adding structures and getting upgrades, he just sucks with the depots, that's why I said "for the most of it"
On March 04 2016 21:41 Elentos wrote: Wow, completely rekt. SpeeD would be an awesome archon mode player. He has great macro for the most of it, his partner just has to make the depots
Uhhh, isn't building depots a part of macro?
He's good with production cycles, adding structures and getting upgrades, he just sucks with the depots, that's why I said "for the most of it"
Not being supply blocked is the biggest part of macro, IMO. (also hardest)
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On March 04 2016 21:21 brickrd wrote: actually it makes a lot of sense though, with the pylon and simcity meta for protoss. banes to just trash the defensive setup is a cool idea
Turns out Armani was a genius all along.
Also Solar is literally Zerg Taeja, both with the foreign wins and the balance complaints. Now all he lacks are the wrist issues.
And 7 more foreign wins and a winning record vs everyone but flash and a zvt that isn't shitty
On March 04 2016 21:21 brickrd wrote: actually it makes a lot of sense though, with the pylon and simcity meta for protoss. banes to just trash the defensive setup is a cool idea
Turns out Armani was a genius all along.
Also Solar is literally Zerg Taeja, both with the foreign wins and the balance complaints. Now all he lacks are the wrist issues.
And 7 more foreign wins and a winning record vs everyone but flash and a zvt that isn't shitty
He has the losing record against Flash covered, so he's getting closer.
On March 04 2016 21:21 brickrd wrote: actually it makes a lot of sense though, with the pylon and simcity meta for protoss. banes to just trash the defensive setup is a cool idea
Turns out Armani was a genius all along.
Also Solar is literally Zerg Taeja, both with the foreign wins and the balance complaints. Now all he lacks are the wrist issues.
And 7 more foreign wins and a winning record vs everyone but flash and a zvt that isn't shitty
He has the losing record against Flash covered, so he's getting closer.
Are there any terrans Solar doesn't have a losing record against?
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On March 04 2016 21:21 brickrd wrote: actually it makes a lot of sense though, with the pylon and simcity meta for protoss. banes to just trash the defensive setup is a cool idea
Turns out Armani was a genius all along.
Also Solar is literally Zerg Taeja, both with the foreign wins and the balance complaints. Now all he lacks are the wrist issues.
And 7 more foreign wins and a winning record vs everyone but flash and a zvt that isn't shitty
He has the losing record against Flash covered, so he's getting closer.
Are there any terrans Solar doesn't have a losing record against?
On March 04 2016 21:21 brickrd wrote: actually it makes a lot of sense though, with the pylon and simcity meta for protoss. banes to just trash the defensive setup is a cool idea
Turns out Armani was a genius all along.
Also Solar is literally Zerg Taeja, both with the foreign wins and the balance complaints. Now all he lacks are the wrist issues.
And 7 more foreign wins and a winning record vs everyone but flash and a zvt that isn't shitty
He has the losing record against Flash covered, so he's getting closer.
Are there any terrans Solar doesn't have a losing record against?
On March 04 2016 22:04 Tiaraju9 wrote: Liberators should not be able to two shot stalkers.
You want to one shot them?
Add AOE too.
Now we are talking :D
Yeah, they should be shooting one big bad ass ball of doom doing 85 dmg in the WHOLE circle at once! Friendly units in the area will be healed by the damage liberator would made to enemy units. IF the damage done to enemy units is bigger than damage received by friendly units, the excessive healing is stored in angry zealot(made by CarbotAnimations). Angry zealot will be randomly roaming around the map until it explodes in carbot zerglings. Those will function as current animals, doing nothing
On March 04 2016 22:04 Tiaraju9 wrote: Liberators should not be able to two shot stalkers.
You want to one shot them?
Add AOE too.
Now we are talking :D
Yeah, they should be shooting one big bad ass ball of doom doing 85 dmg in the WHOLE circle at once! Friendly units in the area will be healed by the damage liberator would made to enemy units. IF the damage done to enemy units is bigger than damage received by friendly units, the excessive healing is stored in angry zealot(made by CarbotAnimations). Angry zealot will be randomly roaming around the map until it explodes in carbot zerglings. Those will function as current animals, doing nothing
On March 04 2016 22:04 Tiaraju9 wrote: Liberators should not be able to two shot stalkers.
You want to one shot them?
Add AOE too.
Now we are talking :D
Yeah, they should be shooting one big bad ass ball of doom doing 85 dmg in the WHOLE circle at once! Friendly units in the area will be healed by the damage liberator would made to enemy units. IF the damage done to enemy units is bigger than damage received by friendly units, the excessive healing is stored in angry zealot(made by CarbotAnimations). Angry zealot will be randomly roaming around the map until it explodes in carbot zerglings. Those will function as current animals, doing nothing
The shot is actually so strong that it leaves a giant, unpathable crater on the map so you can make mineral lines unmineable with lib harass.
On March 04 2016 22:04 Tiaraju9 wrote: Liberators should not be able to two shot stalkers.
You want to one shot them?
Add AOE too.
Now we are talking :D
Yeah, they should be shooting one big bad ass ball of doom doing 85 dmg in the WHOLE circle at once! Friendly units in the area will be healed by the damage liberator would made to enemy units. IF the damage done to enemy units is bigger than damage received by friendly units, the excessive healing is stored in angry zealot(made by CarbotAnimations). Angry zealot will be randomly roaming around the map until it explodes in carbot zerglings. Those will function as current animals, doing nothing
We should just make terran units realistic, siege tanks should be able to hit the enemy mineral line. Banshees should have AA missiles and carry warheads.
On March 04 2016 22:04 Tiaraju9 wrote: Liberators should not be able to two shot stalkers.
You want to one shot them?
Add AOE too.
Now we are talking :D
Yeah, they should be shooting one big bad ass ball of doom doing 85 dmg in the WHOLE circle at once! Friendly units in the area will be healed by the damage liberator would made to enemy units. IF the damage done to enemy units is bigger than damage received by friendly units, the excessive healing is stored in angry zealot(made by CarbotAnimations). Angry zealot will be randomly roaming around the map until it explodes in carbot zerglings. Those will function as current animals, doing nothing
The shot is actually so strong that it leaves a giant, unpathable crater on the map so you can make mineral lines unmineable with lib harass.
On March 04 2016 22:04 Tiaraju9 wrote: Liberators should not be able to two shot stalkers.
You want to one shot them?
Add AOE too.
Now we are talking :D
Yeah, they should be shooting one big bad ass ball of doom doing 85 dmg in the WHOLE circle at once! Friendly units in the area will be healed by the damage liberator would made to enemy units. IF the damage done to enemy units is bigger than damage received by friendly units, the excessive healing is stored in angry zealot(made by CarbotAnimations). Angry zealot will be randomly roaming around the map until it explodes in carbot zerglings. Those will function as current animals, doing nothing
The shot is actually so strong that you can make mineral lines unmineable with lib harass.
On March 04 2016 22:12 Diabolique wrote: Blizzard's welfare has won :-(
- GSL Code S Afreeca GSL 6935
- IEM ESL.tv 13768 OGamingTV SC2 1784 TaKeTV 1387 ESL.tv PL 1125 Alex007 774 Copa America ES 152 ESL.tv BR 114 IESN 44 kaitai 9116 AposisEmperor 10
to be fair, it's a rather unappealing ro32 group vs ro8 of IEM. i'm still watching GSL now and switching after Classic wins, but still.
I know. But anyway. Even I switched. I do not care that much about these 4 from the GSL group, but I like Snute, so I wanted to see, how he is doing ...
On March 04 2016 22:04 Tiaraju9 wrote: Liberators should not be able to two shot stalkers.
You want to one shot them?
Add AOE too.
Now we are talking :D
Yeah, they should be shooting one big bad ass ball of doom doing 85 dmg in the WHOLE circle at once! Friendly units in the area will be healed by the damage liberator would made to enemy units. IF the damage done to enemy units is bigger than damage received by friendly units, the excessive healing is stored in angry zealot(made by CarbotAnimations). Angry zealot will be randomly roaming around the map until it explodes in carbot zerglings. Those will function as current animals, doing nothing
We should just make terran units realistic, siege tanks should be able to hit the enemy mineral line. Banshees should have AA missiles and carry warheads.
On March 04 2016 22:04 Tiaraju9 wrote: Liberators should not be able to two shot stalkers.
You want to one shot them?
Add AOE too.
Now we are talking :D
Yeah, they should be shooting one big bad ass ball of doom doing 85 dmg in the WHOLE circle at once! Friendly units in the area will be healed by the damage liberator would made to enemy units. IF the damage done to enemy units is bigger than damage received by friendly units, the excessive healing is stored in angry zealot(made by CarbotAnimations). Angry zealot will be randomly roaming around the map until it explodes in carbot zerglings. Those will function as current animals, doing nothing
We should just make terran units realistic, siege tanks should be able to hit the enemy mineral line. Banshees should have AA missiles and carry warheads.
On March 04 2016 22:04 Tiaraju9 wrote: Liberators should not be able to two shot stalkers.
You want to one shot them?
Add AOE too.
Now we are talking :D
Yeah, they should be shooting one big bad ass ball of doom doing 85 dmg in the WHOLE circle at once! Friendly units in the area will be healed by the damage liberator would made to enemy units. IF the damage done to enemy units is bigger than damage received by friendly units, the excessive healing is stored in angry zealot(made by CarbotAnimations). Angry zealot will be randomly roaming around the map until it explodes in carbot zerglings. Those will function as current animals, doing nothing
We should just make terran units realistic, siege tanks should be able to hit the enemy mineral line. Banshees should have AA missiles and carry warheads.
On March 04 2016 22:04 Tiaraju9 wrote: Liberators should not be able to two shot stalkers.
You want to one shot them?
Add AOE too.
Now we are talking :D
Yeah, they should be shooting one big bad ass ball of doom doing 85 dmg in the WHOLE circle at once! Friendly units in the area will be healed by the damage liberator would made to enemy units. IF the damage done to enemy units is bigger than damage received by friendly units, the excessive healing is stored in angry zealot(made by CarbotAnimations). Angry zealot will be randomly roaming around the map until it explodes in carbot zerglings. Those will function as current animals, doing nothing
We should just make terran units realistic, siege tanks should be able to hit the enemy mineral line. Banshees should have AA missiles and carry warheads.
On March 04 2016 22:16 Soularion wrote: Luckily, WCS has so much downtime that I can watch entire GSL sets inbetween!
The good thing is that at IEM, there are so many players, I do not care about, so that I can watch GSL, The next one, I want to see, is Polt vs. FireCake and then HuK.
On March 04 2016 22:04 Tiaraju9 wrote: Liberators should not be able to two shot stalkers.
You want to one shot them?
Add AOE too.
Now we are talking :D
Yeah, they should be shooting one big bad ass ball of doom doing 85 dmg in the WHOLE circle at once! Friendly units in the area will be healed by the damage liberator would made to enemy units. IF the damage done to enemy units is bigger than damage received by friendly units, the excessive healing is stored in angry zealot(made by CarbotAnimations). Angry zealot will be randomly roaming around the map until it explodes in carbot zerglings. Those will function as current animals, doing nothing
We should just make terran units realistic, siege tanks should be able to hit the enemy mineral line. Banshees should have AA missiles and carry warheads.
Medivac should get a board gun, I'm all for it.
Mothership with purifier cannon cleaning whole map
On March 04 2016 22:04 Tiaraju9 wrote: Liberators should not be able to two shot stalkers.
You want to one shot them?
Add AOE too.
Now we are talking :D
Yeah, they should be shooting one big bad ass ball of doom doing 85 dmg in the WHOLE circle at once! Friendly units in the area will be healed by the damage liberator would made to enemy units. IF the damage done to enemy units is bigger than damage received by friendly units, the excessive healing is stored in angry zealot(made by CarbotAnimations). Angry zealot will be randomly roaming around the map until it explodes in carbot zerglings. Those will function as current animals, doing nothing
We should just make terran units realistic, siege tanks should be able to hit the enemy mineral line. Banshees should have AA missiles and carry warheads.
Medivac should get a board gun, I'm all for it.
Marines should carry anti tank granades Marauders should have AA capability
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★ - Do not see this game no matter what (0)
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Your vote: Recommend Classic vs SpeeD Game 1?
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
On March 04 2016 22:04 Tiaraju9 wrote: Liberators should not be able to two shot stalkers.
You want to one shot them?
Add AOE too.
Now we are talking :D
Yeah, they should be shooting one big bad ass ball of doom doing 85 dmg in the WHOLE circle at once! Friendly units in the area will be healed by the damage liberator would made to enemy units. IF the damage done to enemy units is bigger than damage received by friendly units, the excessive healing is stored in angry zealot(made by CarbotAnimations). Angry zealot will be randomly roaming around the map until it explodes in carbot zerglings. Those will function as current animals, doing nothing
We should just make terran units realistic, siege tanks should be able to hit the enemy mineral line. Banshees should have AA missiles and carry warheads.
Medivac should get a board gun, I'm all for it.
Marines should carry anti tank granades Marauders should have AA capability
the maurauders lies down on his back to shoot up. but he can't get back on his feet without a medivac.
SpeeD is playing pretty well but I don't think he should have tried pushing into the 3rd. Also he fucking scanned the stasis ward and still ran into it.
On March 04 2016 22:24 Elentos wrote: SpeeD is playing pretty well but I don't think he should have tried pushing into the 3rd. Also he fucking scanned the stasis ward and still ran into it.
Team terran should get on that shit he saw it still couldn't stop it !!!! :D
On March 04 2016 22:26 Elentos wrote: Man now they're recycling jokes from earlier today. At least in the past they used to recycle jokes from back in 2011
On March 04 2016 22:21 Vedeynevin wrote: So I can have ultras that just step on terran units to kill them? sweet
Remember they will have buildings crushing your zerglings!
Just use roaches killing roaches by stomping them is unrealistic
If you land on less than 10 roaches, they will become permanently unable to move until you get burrow move or the CC is lifted. If you land on more than 10, they will run away with the command center.
On March 04 2016 22:21 Vedeynevin wrote: So I can have ultras that just step on terran units to kill them? sweet
Remember they will have buildings crushing your zerglings!
Just use roaches killing roaches by stomping them is unrealistic
If you land on less than 10 roaches, they will become permanently unable to move until you get burrow move or the CC is lifted. If you land on more than 10, they will run away with the command center.
On March 04 2016 22:21 Vedeynevin wrote: So I can have ultras that just step on terran units to kill them? sweet
Remember they will have buildings crushing your zerglings!
Just use roaches killing roaches by stomping them is unrealistic
If you land on less than 10 roaches, they will become permanently unable to move until you get burrow move or the CC is lifted. If you land on more than 10, they will run away with the command center.
I kind of want to play that lol put 9 roaches there and an extra burrowed roach
On March 04 2016 22:21 Vedeynevin wrote: So I can have ultras that just step on terran units to kill them? sweet
Remember they will have buildings crushing your zerglings!
Just use roaches killing roaches by stomping them is unrealistic
If you land on less than 10 roaches, they will become permanently unable to move until you get burrow move or the CC is lifted. If you land on more than 10, they will run away with the command center.
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Your vote: Recommend Classic vs SpeeD Game 2?
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (0)
0%
32 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Classic vs SpeeD Game 3?
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
On March 04 2016 23:08 10bulgares wrote: At this stage, I'm surprised not to see more balance whine from protoss players. Or maybe I missed it?
Or is it the mods on TL who are less tolerant?
For 5 months they are ignoring PvZ, people already resigned probably. Also Classic could have played better.
Classic, who was not at his top, was one bad wall away from defeating Solar, an absolute muderer of Protosses, his game one for instance was really encouraging for late game PvZ.
If you really look at last weeks of korean scene you can see the meta evolving and see a trend where Protosses are defeating more and more Zergs.
On the other hand, Classic really looked unable to deal with liberators...
On March 04 2016 23:08 10bulgares wrote: At this stage, I'm surprised not to see more balance whine from protoss players. Or maybe I missed it?
Or is it the mods on TL who are less tolerant?
For 5 months they are ignoring PvZ, people already resigned probably. Also Classic could have played better.
Classic, who was not at his top, was one bad wall away from defeating Solar, an absolute muderer of Protosses, his game one for instance was really encouraging for late game PvZ.
If you really look at last weeks of korean scene you can see the meta evolving and see a trend where Protosses are defeating more and more Zergs.
On the other hand, Classic really looked unable to deal with liberators...
And those weren't liberators with the range upgrade, so it was in due part incompetence.
On March 04 2016 23:08 10bulgares wrote: At this stage, I'm surprised not to see more balance whine from protoss players. Or maybe I missed it?
Or is it the mods on TL who are less tolerant?
For 5 months they are ignoring PvZ, people already resigned probably. Also Classic could have played better.
Classic, who was not at his top, was one bad wall away from defeating Solar, an absolute muderer of Protosses, his game one for instance was really encouraging for late game PvZ.
If you really look at last weeks of korean scene you can see the meta evolving and see a trend where Protosses are defeating more and more Zergs.
On the other hand, Classic really looked unable to deal with liberators...
And those weren't liberators with the range upgrade, so it was in due part incompetence.
With that positioning he needed another answer than ground army. It's actually hilarious if you read that Avilo thread where he claims Protoss has good GtA.
Speed used liberators very well and he denied ground response. He played the map the best possible way, but showed how OP liberators can be when used properly on a map that allows such play.
And don't forget that accidental move of Phoenixes (that doom drop)
All in all, Speed played very well, Classic had bad luck and wasn't playing that well.
Honestly SpeeD overlapped his liberators far too much a bunch of times. And if Classic doesn't fight in the middle of the map for no reason in game 2, he probably wins 2-0.
On March 04 2016 23:45 Elentos wrote: Honestly SpeeD overlapped his liberators far too much a bunch of times. And if Classic doesn't fight in the middle of the map for no reason in game 2, he probably wins 2-0.
Liberators covered the whole path to attack, in a way Speed created "force fields" in that place. And it worked (but yeah, that random attack in the middle of the map will haunt him)
I watched the games this morning, amazing SC2 day ! SpeeD really surprised me, it's cool to see some new blood even if it's at the expense of one of my favorite Protosses ever, Classic. But I think he still needs to find his rythm in LotV, he made a lot of mistakes and overall didn't deserve to advance even if he had a great opportunity on Orbital.
On March 05 2016 02:38 [PkF] Wire wrote: I watched the games this morning, amazing SC2 day ! SpeeD really surprised me, it's cool to see some new blood even if it's at the expense of one of my favorites Protosses ever, Classic. But I think he still needs to find his rythm in LotV, he made a lot of mistakes and overall didn't deserve to advance even if he had a great opportunity on Orbital.
The interesting thing about SpeeD is that he was a B-teamer for years on Samsung and SKT and that he'd actually already retired a while ago. And a few months after coming back, KT picked him up, and now in LotV he's finally getting somewhere. It's a cool story.
On March 05 2016 02:38 [PkF] Wire wrote: I watched the games this morning, amazing SC2 day ! SpeeD really surprised me, it's cool to see some new blood even if it's at the expense of one of my favorites Protosses ever, Classic. But I think he still needs to find his rythm in LotV, he made a lot of mistakes and overall didn't deserve to advance even if he had a great opportunity on Orbital.
The interesting thing about SpeeD is that he was a B-teamer for years on Samsung and SKT and that he'd actually already retired a while ago. And a few months after coming back, KT picked him up, and now in LotV he's finally getting somewhere. It's a cool story.
yeah a lot of cool stories in fact with him, Byun, Taeja, HerO... Not enough to counter act all the disbandings and retirements, but that's some light.
I'd say this is the first time I've actually laughed so hard I cried since the "one fish, two fish, red fish, blue TANK" moment. Tastosis absolutely killed it.
On March 05 2016 02:38 [PkF] Wire wrote: I watched the games this morning, amazing SC2 day ! SpeeD really surprised me, it's cool to see some new blood even if it's at the expense of one of my favorites Protosses ever, Classic. But I think he still needs to find his rythm in LotV, he made a lot of mistakes and overall didn't deserve to advance even if he had a great opportunity on Orbital.
The interesting thing about SpeeD is that he was a B-teamer for years on Samsung and SKT and that he'd actually already retired a while ago. And a few months after coming back, KT picked him up, and now in LotV he's finally getting somewhere. It's a cool story.
I had no clue! That's really interesting! Happy for SpeeD. I love Classic but he's won enough. Give ol' Rudy the underdog a chance.
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