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HellHound
Profile Joined September 2014
Bulgaria5962 Posts
February 02 2016 06:20 GMT
#421
On February 02 2016 15:16 Arvendilin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2016 15:14 HellHound wrote:
On February 02 2016 15:13 Arvendilin wrote:
On February 02 2016 15:11 HellHound wrote:
On February 02 2016 15:08 Superbanana wrote:
Its frustrating to play, just like ling bane, but its fun to watch, just like ling bane.

Lingbane is only frustrating if you suck at it :D

Yea what is frustrating about LotV ZvZ is that you can't scout your opponent before making very very important desicions about how you play

Much different from bw/wol/hots zvz yes.
Then again you can kill pool first with 13/12 and hold 13/12 with hatch first so it's weird a bit.

I think HotS was a bit better, WoL I didn't really watch a lot of ZvZ because I was still avoiding it, since it was my most hated MU to watch BY FAAR in BW

Only prefered hots cause I liked to 8 pool a lot.
Current zvz is more stable since 13/12 is weaker than an 8 pool vs hatch first.
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Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16024 Posts
February 02 2016 06:20 GMT
#422
On February 02 2016 15:19 Arvendilin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2016 15:16 pure.Wasted wrote:
On February 02 2016 15:10 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
On February 02 2016 15:09 pure.Wasted wrote:
On February 02 2016 15:07 BronzeKnee wrote:
On February 02 2016 15:06 pure.Wasted wrote:
On February 02 2016 15:04 Solar424 wrote:
I want to see a ZvZ where there's an agreement that neither of them make army units other than zerglings and banelings and see if its stupider than this PvP meta.


The Disruptor is the only thing making PvP watchable.


Yeah the entire game, 20+ minutes should come down to a single skill shot every time. That is good game design.


It didn't come down to a single shot. There were fifty shots, and they all had a notable impact on the outcome of the game.

yeah but that doesn't make it entertaining to watch or fun to play


I have no opinion on how fun it is or isn't to play, but at least I can watch LotV PvP and say "the guy who won the series actually used quantifiable skills to win the series." Pretty important for a competition imo.

And in case it wasn't clear I found it very entertaining.

Really? There are quantifiable skills (hmmm maybe not easy for a casual to se but someone like you should be able to see) to HotS PvP

I only saw two deathballs amoving at each other and then someone randomly wins
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
Superbanana
Profile Joined May 2014
2369 Posts
February 02 2016 06:21 GMT
#423
On February 02 2016 15:17 SC2Towelie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2016 15:10 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
On February 02 2016 15:09 pure.Wasted wrote:
On February 02 2016 15:07 BronzeKnee wrote:
On February 02 2016 15:06 pure.Wasted wrote:
On February 02 2016 15:04 Solar424 wrote:
I want to see a ZvZ where there's an agreement that neither of them make army units other than zerglings and banelings and see if its stupider than this PvP meta.


The Disruptor is the only thing making PvP watchable.


Yeah the entire game, 20+ minutes should come down to a single skill shot every time. That is good game design.


It didn't come down to a single shot. There were fifty shots, and they all had a notable impact on the outcome of the game.

yeah but that doesn't make it entertaining to watch or fun to play


Idk that was probably one of the most fun PvP matches I've seen in years. HotS PvP was so boring imo...

To me PvP only got better, WoL was the worst, ZvZ had to wait for LotV.
In PvZ the zerg can make the situation spire out of control but protoss can adept to the situation.
KingofdaHipHop
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
United States25602 Posts
February 02 2016 06:21 GMT
#424
On February 02 2016 15:20 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2016 15:19 Arvendilin wrote:
On February 02 2016 15:16 pure.Wasted wrote:
On February 02 2016 15:10 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
On February 02 2016 15:09 pure.Wasted wrote:
On February 02 2016 15:07 BronzeKnee wrote:
On February 02 2016 15:06 pure.Wasted wrote:
On February 02 2016 15:04 Solar424 wrote:
I want to see a ZvZ where there's an agreement that neither of them make army units other than zerglings and banelings and see if its stupider than this PvP meta.


The Disruptor is the only thing making PvP watchable.


Yeah the entire game, 20+ minutes should come down to a single skill shot every time. That is good game design.


It didn't come down to a single shot. There were fifty shots, and they all had a notable impact on the outcome of the game.

yeah but that doesn't make it entertaining to watch or fun to play


I have no opinion on how fun it is or isn't to play, but at least I can watch LotV PvP and say "the guy who won the series actually used quantifiable skills to win the series." Pretty important for a competition imo.

And in case it wasn't clear I found it very entertaining.

Really? There are quantifiable skills (hmmm maybe not easy for a casual to se but someone like you should be able to see) to HotS PvP

I only saw two deathballs amoving at each other and then someone randomly wins

most games were a lot more intricate than that
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pure.Wasted
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada4701 Posts
February 02 2016 06:21 GMT
#425
Am I crazy or does that Gigabyte ad use a song from final Fantasy 8? I'm like 99% sure. How the hell did they get the rights. O.o
INna Maru-da-FanTa, Bbaby, TY Dream that I'm Flashing you
geokilla
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada8245 Posts
February 02 2016 06:22 GMT
#426
On February 02 2016 15:19 Phredxor wrote:
Good to see PvP still splits everyone into love/hate. This expansion looks like it just reversed everyones opinions on it

I'd say it's a massive improvement over the usual Tempests vs Tempests we saw in HOTS. There were only a handful of PvP games that I thought were entertaining, and they've mostly been documented on TL in the best games to watch categories.
Solar424
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
United States4001 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-02 06:23:39
February 02 2016 06:23 GMT
#427
I'm going to bed so here's the witty remark I would have made for either outcome of the finals
If ByuN wins: Not enough 0's in the prize pool for $O$ to care
If sOs wins: Well, time to disappear for 3 years again ByuN
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
February 02 2016 06:23 GMT
#428
On February 02 2016 15:20 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2016 15:19 Arvendilin wrote:
On February 02 2016 15:16 pure.Wasted wrote:
On February 02 2016 15:10 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
On February 02 2016 15:09 pure.Wasted wrote:
On February 02 2016 15:07 BronzeKnee wrote:
On February 02 2016 15:06 pure.Wasted wrote:
On February 02 2016 15:04 Solar424 wrote:
I want to see a ZvZ where there's an agreement that neither of them make army units other than zerglings and banelings and see if its stupider than this PvP meta.


The Disruptor is the only thing making PvP watchable.


Yeah the entire game, 20+ minutes should come down to a single skill shot every time. That is good game design.


It didn't come down to a single shot. There were fifty shots, and they all had a notable impact on the outcome of the game.

yeah but that doesn't make it entertaining to watch or fun to play


I have no opinion on how fun it is or isn't to play, but at least I can watch LotV PvP and say "the guy who won the series actually used quantifiable skills to win the series." Pretty important for a competition imo.

And in case it wasn't clear I found it very entertaining.

Really? There are quantifiable skills (hmmm maybe not easy for a casual to se but someone like you should be able to see) to HotS PvP

I only saw two deathballs amoving at each other and then someone randomly wins


You may have missed Zest's entire run in 2014.
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Diabolique
Profile Joined June 2015
Czech Republic5118 Posts
February 02 2016 06:23 GMT
#429
I am sooo happy sOs won, but I damned hate these disruptor wars :-(
So much random included in it. All the game was sOs leading, but it was all the time so tense, each shot could have completely changed the result. I am happy, the final is not PvP ...
sOs | Rogue | Maru | Trap | Scarlett | Snute | MC
Superbanana
Profile Joined May 2014
2369 Posts
February 02 2016 06:23 GMT
#430
So torn, love both of them, i am probably a bigger fan of sOs but he always win grand finals and its getting old
In PvZ the zerg can make the situation spire out of control but protoss can adept to the situation.
Phredxor
Profile Joined May 2013
New Zealand15076 Posts
February 02 2016 06:23 GMT
#431
On February 02 2016 15:22 geokilla wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2016 15:19 Phredxor wrote:
Good to see PvP still splits everyone into love/hate. This expansion looks like it just reversed everyones opinions on it

I'd say it's a massive improvement over the usual Tempests vs Tempests we saw in HOTS. There were only a handful of PvP games that I thought were entertaining, and they've mostly been documented on TL in the best games to watch categories.


Yeah lots of people agree with you. But for me it's the opposite so far.
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16024 Posts
February 02 2016 06:24 GMT
#432
On February 02 2016 15:21 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2016 15:20 Charoisaur wrote:
On February 02 2016 15:19 Arvendilin wrote:
On February 02 2016 15:16 pure.Wasted wrote:
On February 02 2016 15:10 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
On February 02 2016 15:09 pure.Wasted wrote:
On February 02 2016 15:07 BronzeKnee wrote:
On February 02 2016 15:06 pure.Wasted wrote:
On February 02 2016 15:04 Solar424 wrote:
I want to see a ZvZ where there's an agreement that neither of them make army units other than zerglings and banelings and see if its stupider than this PvP meta.


The Disruptor is the only thing making PvP watchable.


Yeah the entire game, 20+ minutes should come down to a single skill shot every time. That is good game design.


It didn't come down to a single shot. There were fifty shots, and they all had a notable impact on the outcome of the game.

yeah but that doesn't make it entertaining to watch or fun to play


I have no opinion on how fun it is or isn't to play, but at least I can watch LotV PvP and say "the guy who won the series actually used quantifiable skills to win the series." Pretty important for a competition imo.

And in case it wasn't clear I found it very entertaining.

Really? There are quantifiable skills (hmmm maybe not easy for a casual to se but someone like you should be able to see) to HotS PvP

I only saw two deathballs amoving at each other and then someone randomly wins

most games were a lot more intricate than that

I know but those deathball battles were just a mystery to me.
I had no idea why someone lost or won the fight.
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
February 02 2016 06:26 GMT
#433
I thought HotS PvP was smarter and had players predict/play probabilities more. The disruptor micro outweighs all other decisions in the game, but it's easy to quantify for spectators I guess. I'm not invested in it one way or the other.

I only want WoL TvT back. FUCK
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BretZ
Profile Joined May 2011
United States1510 Posts
February 02 2016 06:28 GMT
#434
At this rate I might actually be awake to catch proleague live
Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13990 Posts
February 02 2016 06:28 GMT
#435
On February 02 2016 15:26 stuchiu wrote:
I thought HotS PvP was smarter and had players predict/play probabilities more. The disruptor micro outweighs all other decisions in the game, but it's easy to quantify for spectators I guess. I'm not invested in it one way or the other.

I only want WoL TvT back. FUCK

What, you dont want Mvp to "Drop. The. Hellbats. On. Him."

Wait fuck that was inno nm..... but it was vs Mvp
Chain 1 Arthalion Chain 2 Urgula Chain 3 Mululu Chain 4 Lukias
Durnuu
Profile Joined September 2013
13322 Posts
February 02 2016 06:28 GMT
#436
Woke up just in time to see sOs crush some noob :D
BUNNYYYYYYYYY https://i.imgur.com/BiCF577.png
Roadog
Profile Joined May 2012
Canada1670 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-02 06:29:20
February 02 2016 06:28 GMT
#437
On February 02 2016 15:23 Superbanana wrote:
So torn, love both of them, i am probably a bigger fan of sOs but he always win grand finals and its getting old

None of his big wins are older than the time he tried to pull Tempests against Innovation while down 0-3 in some WCS Finals way back when

Also, I want to see sOs get some revenge for the SSL qualifiers. Like, really?
sOs fan. Zerg just seem to have the most...potential. Dubbo Robo Colo! Why I play Protoss: Stalkers, bacon, toilets and mama -- Chelsea FC
Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13990 Posts
February 02 2016 06:29 GMT
#438
On February 02 2016 15:28 Roadog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2016 15:23 Superbanana wrote:
So torn, love both of them, i am probably a bigger fan of sOs but he always win grand finals and its getting old

None of his big wins are older than the time he tried to pull Tempests against Innovation while down 0-3 in some WCS Finals way back when

Still top 3 tournaments of all time for me right there.
Chain 1 Arthalion Chain 2 Urgula Chain 3 Mululu Chain 4 Lukias
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16024 Posts
February 02 2016 06:30 GMT
#439
On February 02 2016 15:28 Roadog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2016 15:23 Superbanana wrote:
So torn, love both of them, i am probably a bigger fan of sOs but he always win grand finals and its getting old

None of his big wins are older than the time he tried to pull Tempests against Innovation while down 0-3 in some WCS Finals way back when

Also, I want to see sOs get some revenge for the SSL qualifiers. Like, really?

that was also the closest game of that finals
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
Superbanana
Profile Joined May 2014
2369 Posts
February 02 2016 06:32 GMT
#440
On February 02 2016 15:28 Roadog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2016 15:23 Superbanana wrote:
So torn, love both of them, i am probably a bigger fan of sOs but he always win grand finals and its getting old

None of his big wins are older than the time he tried to pull Tempests against Innovation while down 0-3 in some WCS Finals way back when

Also, I want to see sOs get some revenge for the SSL qualifiers. Like, really?

Right! goddamit, that broke my heart, glad he is doing well at IEM.
In PvZ the zerg can make the situation spire out of control but protoss can adept to the situation.
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