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On November 29 2015 05:58 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2015 05:56 PepperMintTea wrote:On November 29 2015 05:52 Wintex wrote:On November 29 2015 05:49 PepperMintTea wrote:On November 29 2015 05:47 Wintex wrote:On November 29 2015 05:46 PepperMintTea wrote:On November 29 2015 05:45 Wintex wrote:On November 29 2015 05:44 Elentos wrote:On November 29 2015 05:42 The_Templar wrote:On November 29 2015 05:42 Elentos wrote:
Ugh... yeah, I think the fact that Zerg couldn't split roach/hydra against disruptors even if they wanted to is maybe a bit bad. Why can't they? The disruptor shot is too fast off creep. you can minimize damage by splitting rofl. instead of losing 10 hydras and 5 roaches to a shot, you deserve to lose or 2 lurkers to 2 disruptor shots for those of us who have actually played ladder you really can't split or micro vs disruptors yeah im sorry i don't have wrists oh and no i don't expect your gold league ass to micro units but solar is a pro micro isn't my strength but I am higher than gold league and even when dilligently controlling a roach hydra army against disruptor it is pretty much impossible to avoid heavy losses. I didn't know you didn't have wrists but there is no need to be offensive to me Yeah, but whining about it when these people do mistakes that we should do, and they shouldn't is the problem. You're probably someone who needs to mildly presplit before moving towards the protoss base, but solar is regarded as the king of legacy. he should know and should prepare for the nuke by spreading at least a little.] Sorry if you were offended, but I am kinda fed up with the amount of bitching people are doing. well i've faced disruptor a lot on ladder and it's really hard/nearly impossible to dodge, so perhaps it is harder for solar to do it than people watching give him credit Nearly everything pro players do is harder than people give them credit for, honestly.
Even PYLON CANNON!!
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Classic 1-base map for PvZ already 
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United States15275 Posts
On November 29 2015 05:54 KeksX wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2015 05:52 CosmicSpiral wrote:On November 29 2015 05:51 KeksX wrote:On November 29 2015 05:49 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
You have to split your lurkers so they don't die to disruptors, but then they can't all attack since they're so spread out right? I'm confused Actually, it's possible to split lurkers so that at least like 8~9 can attack(providing of course you're not in a complete shit corner of the map with them), and if you're paying attention, you can even unborrow lurkers that are getting targetted and move them back and replace them with new ones. That of course requires a lot of attention/APM, but it's certainly doable. The issue is restricting Protoss mobility so that they are either forced to fight into Lurker range or zoned out into a severe disadvantage. Zerg currently doesn't have a great way to create the former situation or capitalize on the latter. I feel like thats why Zerglings are so much better to compliment Lurkers. You can send them to trade with stalkers once they are close to your lurkers, and then they either retreat, allowing you to reposition, or expose their disruptors. But then again I'm not playing vs the likes of PartinG. So what do I know.
Zerglings still have to get into Adept/Disruptor range and unless you get a full surround, Protoss can keep kiting until the initial push dies out.
Zerg still suffers from really godawful synergy in most unit compositions (exceptions being muta/ling/bane and theoretically ling/bane/old infestor/ultras with fixed pathing), and Blizzard hasn't tried to address that in years.
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On November 29 2015 05:58 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2015 05:56 PepperMintTea wrote:On November 29 2015 05:52 Wintex wrote:On November 29 2015 05:49 PepperMintTea wrote:On November 29 2015 05:47 Wintex wrote:On November 29 2015 05:46 PepperMintTea wrote:On November 29 2015 05:45 Wintex wrote:On November 29 2015 05:44 Elentos wrote:On November 29 2015 05:42 The_Templar wrote:On November 29 2015 05:42 Elentos wrote:
Ugh... yeah, I think the fact that Zerg couldn't split roach/hydra against disruptors even if they wanted to is maybe a bit bad. Why can't they? The disruptor shot is too fast off creep. you can minimize damage by splitting rofl. instead of losing 10 hydras and 5 roaches to a shot, you deserve to lose or 2 lurkers to 2 disruptor shots for those of us who have actually played ladder you really can't split or micro vs disruptors yeah im sorry i don't have wrists oh and no i don't expect your gold league ass to micro units but solar is a pro micro isn't my strength but I am higher than gold league and even when dilligently controlling a roach hydra army against disruptor it is pretty much impossible to avoid heavy losses. I didn't know you didn't have wrists but there is no need to be offensive to me Yeah, but whining about it when these people do mistakes that we should do, and they shouldn't is the problem. You're probably someone who needs to mildly presplit before moving towards the protoss base, but solar is regarded as the king of legacy. he should know and should prepare for the nuke by spreading at least a little.] Sorry if you were offended, but I am kinda fed up with the amount of bitching people are doing. well i've faced disruptor a lot on ladder and it's really hard/nearly impossible to dodge, so perhaps it is harder for solar to do it than people watching give him credit Nearly everything pro players do is harder than people give them credit for, honestly.
Obligatory mention of dunning kruger.
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On November 29 2015 05:57 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2015 05:56 HellHound wrote:On November 29 2015 05:54 Wintex wrote:On November 29 2015 05:52 Elentos wrote:On November 29 2015 05:49 Wintex wrote:On November 29 2015 05:47 Elentos wrote:On November 29 2015 05:45 Wintex wrote:On November 29 2015 05:44 Elentos wrote:On November 29 2015 05:42 The_Templar wrote:On November 29 2015 05:42 Elentos wrote:
Ugh... yeah, I think the fact that Zerg couldn't split roach/hydra against disruptors even if they wanted to is maybe a bit bad. Why can't they? The disruptor shot is too fast off creep. you can minimize damage by splitting rofl. instead of losing 10 hydras and 5 roaches to a shot, you deserve to lose or 2 lurkers to 2 disruptor shots The disruptor shot is faster than stimmed bio. If you're not split before the shot it's too late for a decent split with Zerg units. yeah and banelings are fast as fuck on creep. has not stopped terrans before. and they are PRO players. they should be able to spread their units when moving into enemy territory. Banelings on creep are slower than stimmed marines. Yeah and players are able to split amazingly in that situation because they have practiced. We've also seen them get hit by those slow blobs of doom. Let them practice. It's the third week, goddam. speed banes on creep are faster than stim marines so are ultras. Yeah speed banes are. But banelings are different because their splash isn't 180 damage or whatever. So taking the hit with some units is fine.
yeah nice you're just changing your argument whenever you hit a wall.
You can also have 50+ banelings in an army and they don't have a cooldown. taking a bad banehit can quickly end the game. Just ask Bomber.
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
For the love of anything holy stop saying cheeky
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Lorning
Belgica34432 Posts
On November 29 2015 05:59 Zealously wrote:
For the love of anything holy stop saying cheeky
cheeeekeh
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That's such a fucking stupid gateway placement
If solar did the double hold he would see it BEFORE HE PLACED THE 3rd HATCH
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On November 29 2015 05:57 JoeCool wrote:
200 supply after 8 minutes... LotV just isn't my type of game. :/
Yeah that's like an 11 min max in HotS
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Lorning
Belgica34432 Posts
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Solar really should expect something like this. Its hard to beat zerg on this map.
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the change to chronoboost seems to have made mutas a lot harder to deal with, takes much longer to get a good amount of phoenix
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Parting supply blocked... Fucking noob.
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On November 29 2015 06:00 KingofdaHipHop wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2015 05:57 JoeCool wrote:
200 supply after 8 minutes... LotV just isn't my type of game. :/ Yeah that's like an 11 min max in HotS
it's like a 13 min max which is every passive zvp in hots
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
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your Country52798 Posts
Wait, I missed the beginning and now I am so confused.
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I feel as if I've spent much of 2015 watching parting lose to lings.
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EPT
