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On September 26 2015 04:14 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2015 04:13 HellHound wrote:On September 26 2015 04:13 joshie0808 wrote:On September 26 2015 04:11 Ej_ wrote:On September 26 2015 04:10 joshie0808 wrote:
Its similar to asking Zergs to avoid BL/Infestor during its strength because it's imba or hard to play against (requires more skill to beat less skilled opponent).
I avoided that, can I shit on cheesers now? You're a real gentleman  A gentleman that only eats cheese even on a broodlord buffet. I just hated infestor, such a boring unit. I was the guy to spam roach/ling until one of us died.
Hard for me to imagine the Roach being a less boring unit than anything.
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On September 26 2015 04:16 Ej_ wrote:Poll: Will Solar throw the mutalisk basetrade again?Yes. (6) 75% No. (2) 25% 8 total votes Your vote: Will Solar throw the mutalisk basetrade again? (Vote): Yes.
(Vote): No.
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dark.
fucking.
shrine.
i have no words.
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On September 26 2015 04:11 MiniFotToss wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2015 04:09 Rollora wrote:On September 26 2015 04:07 Zealously wrote:On September 26 2015 04:05 Rollora wrote:On September 26 2015 03:58 joshie0808 wrote:On September 26 2015 03:56 Rollora wrote:On September 26 2015 03:52 CheddarToss wrote:On September 26 2015 03:49 Rollora wrote:
I wonder if sOs would have ANY success if there wasn't so much cheese avaliable and he was forced to play a macro game without bullshit Of course. no he wouldn't. DIdn't see ONE straightup, "honest" macro game without bullshit, he doesn't even know how to play it Lol so salty, sc is a game of hidden information. Go watch chess if you want 'honest' games where everyone knows everything. SoS is just playing the game. Not hard for Solar to scout better. Solar 9 pooled this game and SoS scouted. Just how things work out you mean protoss is the race of hidden things. There is a difference between leaving someone in the dark as long as possible (for terran: hiding you go mech or bio or so, for terran hide buildings), but the only race that works so often JUST because it has hidden something or you can win only because you hid something (not because of skill) is protoss. Not saying sOs has no skill, on the contrary the huge variety of builds he knows impresses me, and reading his opponent, comebacks, mindgames... and yeah, lol i should watch chess.... or ANY other sport, because I cannot remember andy sport that works that way: hide something to surprise the oponent and if he isn't prepared then you win. The only thing that reminds me of is faking an injury/foul in soccer to win by penalties if you are the worse team and cannot score goals by yourself By nature of open playing fields there obviously wouldn't be an analogy in physical sports (that I'm aware of), but I think the implication that because it doesn't exist in any other sport it must be bad is curious. I like the concept of diligent scouting and information prevention in Starcraft and other esports. I think it's actually one of the most exciting parts. I completely agree on that. I don't mind scouting to know timings, what the opponent is up to etc But you know what I am refering to - its the game winning BS you sometimes cannot scout. And I hate that, its kinda dirty, and in my believe not an "honest" win. a win is a win, it doesn't need to be 'honest', as long as there's no real cheating.
I will stop the bullshit protoss statement now.
But you cannot believe a win has the same "worth" if it is achieved in a dirty way. Michael Schumacher will always be remembered as record champion - as well as one of the dirtiest F1 drivers ever.
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On September 26 2015 04:16 Ej_ wrote:Poll: Will Solar throw the mutalisk basetrade again?Yes. (6) 75% No. (2) 25% 8 total votes Your vote: Will Solar throw the mutalisk basetrade again? (Vote): Yes.
(Vote): No.
needs a 3rd option for "DTs"
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On September 26 2015 04:16 Heartland wrote:
he is getting DTs now?!
if kaelaris were here he would be dying of laughter
hell he probably is anyway
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On September 26 2015 04:16 Psychonian wrote:
dark.
fucking.
shrine.
i have no words.
I really don't get the stargate into DT thing. You force the zerg into make spores because of the stargate and then you're already detected
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solar will find a way to throw this
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On September 26 2015 04:14 Rollora wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2015 04:08 HellHound wrote:On September 26 2015 04:05 Rollora wrote:On September 26 2015 03:58 joshie0808 wrote:On September 26 2015 03:56 Rollora wrote:On September 26 2015 03:52 CheddarToss wrote:On September 26 2015 03:49 Rollora wrote:
I wonder if sOs would have ANY success if there wasn't so much cheese avaliable and he was forced to play a macro game without bullshit Of course. no he wouldn't. DIdn't see ONE straightup, "honest" macro game without bullshit, he doesn't even know how to play it Lol so salty, sc is a game of hidden information. Go watch chess if you want 'honest' games where everyone knows everything. SoS is just playing the game. Not hard for Solar to scout better. Solar 9 pooled this game and SoS scouted. Just how things work out you mean protoss is the race of hidden things. There is a difference between leaving someone in the dark as long as possible (for terran: hiding you go mech or bio or so, for terran hide buildings), but the only race that works so often JUST because it has hidden something or you can win only because you hid something (not because of skill) is protoss. Not saying sOs has no skill, on the contrary the huge variety of builds he knows impresses me, and reading his opponent, comebacks, mindgames... and yeah, lol i should watch chess.... or ANY other sport, because I cannot remember andy sport that works that way: hide something to surprise the oponent and if he isn't prepared then you win. The only thing that reminds me of is faking an injury/foul in soccer to win by penalties if you are the worse team and cannot score goals by yourself And stop that bullshit statement of scouting better. you can hide things so they can NOT be scouted Every sport and game has hidden information SC2 is just more blatant about it. Protoss having the most varied cheeses is a fact no one right in the head is arguing that so there is no need to repeat it over and over :D Sorry, it just annoys me, that you can win a game solely by surprising an enemy  It really kills the fun for me. It completely takes it away for me, and many others. Its bad design I think Starcraft is a great game if you have a fun, macro games against zerg or terran, even toss if you have one that doesn't cheese. But it immidiately gets frustrating, more then a normal loss, when you lose JUST because of BS. I hope you understand my frustration 
You're probably only going to lose to a surprise if you take risks. Though at a top-level I admit it's necessary to take risks sometimes. I do think you're blowing things out of proportion, people seem to think PvP is hast he most luck and bullshit yet someone like Zest has an insane PvP winrate vs other Koreans despite PvP's reputation.
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hydras make things complicated for blink stalkers? what rotti?
hydras melt to stalkers...
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Moving the revealed muta away
So fucking smart
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On September 26 2015 04:17 chipmonklord17 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2015 04:16 Psychonian wrote:
dark.
fucking.
shrine.
i have no words. I really don't get the stargate into DT thing. You force the zerg into make spores because of the stargate and then you're already detected
that's a third base dark shrine. its pretty common.
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On September 26 2015 04:16 Rollora wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2015 04:11 MiniFotToss wrote:On September 26 2015 04:09 Rollora wrote:On September 26 2015 04:07 Zealously wrote:On September 26 2015 04:05 Rollora wrote:On September 26 2015 03:58 joshie0808 wrote:On September 26 2015 03:56 Rollora wrote:On September 26 2015 03:52 CheddarToss wrote:On September 26 2015 03:49 Rollora wrote:
I wonder if sOs would have ANY success if there wasn't so much cheese avaliable and he was forced to play a macro game without bullshit Of course. no he wouldn't. DIdn't see ONE straightup, "honest" macro game without bullshit, he doesn't even know how to play it Lol so salty, sc is a game of hidden information. Go watch chess if you want 'honest' games where everyone knows everything. SoS is just playing the game. Not hard for Solar to scout better. Solar 9 pooled this game and SoS scouted. Just how things work out you mean protoss is the race of hidden things. There is a difference between leaving someone in the dark as long as possible (for terran: hiding you go mech or bio or so, for terran hide buildings), but the only race that works so often JUST because it has hidden something or you can win only because you hid something (not because of skill) is protoss. Not saying sOs has no skill, on the contrary the huge variety of builds he knows impresses me, and reading his opponent, comebacks, mindgames... and yeah, lol i should watch chess.... or ANY other sport, because I cannot remember andy sport that works that way: hide something to surprise the oponent and if he isn't prepared then you win. The only thing that reminds me of is faking an injury/foul in soccer to win by penalties if you are the worse team and cannot score goals by yourself By nature of open playing fields there obviously wouldn't be an analogy in physical sports (that I'm aware of), but I think the implication that because it doesn't exist in any other sport it must be bad is curious. I like the concept of diligent scouting and information prevention in Starcraft and other esports. I think it's actually one of the most exciting parts. I completely agree on that. I don't mind scouting to know timings, what the opponent is up to etc But you know what I am refering to - its the game winning BS you sometimes cannot scout. And I hate that, its kinda dirty, and in my believe not an "honest" win. a win is a win, it doesn't need to be 'honest', as long as there's no real cheating. I will stop the bullshit protoss statement now. But you cannot believe a win has the same "worth" if it is achieved in a dirty way. Michael Schumacher will always be remembered as record champion - as well as one of the dirtiest F1 drivers ever.
at least he was remembered, someone else noble out there might never be remembered... Also, how you are in a game or in the F1 track doesn't necessarily reflect your personality, so its not like those guys are bad people
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sos is seriously addicted to oracles
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the oracles blowing up is such a nice graphical effect, looks great when they zoom in on it
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On September 26 2015 04:17 chipmonklord17 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2015 04:16 Psychonian wrote:
dark.
fucking.
shrine.
i have no words. I really don't get the stargate into DT thing. You force the zerg into make spores because of the stargate and then you're already detected
Thats the mindgame, hail Inca
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On September 26 2015 04:14 Rollora wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2015 04:08 HellHound wrote:On September 26 2015 04:05 Rollora wrote:On September 26 2015 03:58 joshie0808 wrote:On September 26 2015 03:56 Rollora wrote:On September 26 2015 03:52 CheddarToss wrote:On September 26 2015 03:49 Rollora wrote:
I wonder if sOs would have ANY success if there wasn't so much cheese avaliable and he was forced to play a macro game without bullshit Of course. no he wouldn't. DIdn't see ONE straightup, "honest" macro game without bullshit, he doesn't even know how to play it Lol so salty, sc is a game of hidden information. Go watch chess if you want 'honest' games where everyone knows everything. SoS is just playing the game. Not hard for Solar to scout better. Solar 9 pooled this game and SoS scouted. Just how things work out you mean protoss is the race of hidden things. There is a difference between leaving someone in the dark as long as possible (for terran: hiding you go mech or bio or so, for terran hide buildings), but the only race that works so often JUST because it has hidden something or you can win only because you hid something (not because of skill) is protoss. Not saying sOs has no skill, on the contrary the huge variety of builds he knows impresses me, and reading his opponent, comebacks, mindgames... and yeah, lol i should watch chess.... or ANY other sport, because I cannot remember andy sport that works that way: hide something to surprise the oponent and if he isn't prepared then you win. The only thing that reminds me of is faking an injury/foul in soccer to win by penalties if you are the worse team and cannot score goals by yourself And stop that bullshit statement of scouting better. you can hide things so they can NOT be scouted Every sport and game has hidden information SC2 is just more blatant about it. Protoss having the most varied cheeses is a fact no one right in the head is arguing that so there is no need to repeat it over and over :D Sorry, it just annoys me, that you can win a game solely by surprising an enemy It really kills the fun for me. It completely takes it away for me, and many others. Its bad design I think Starcraft is a great game if you have a fun, macro games against zerg or terran, even toss if you have one that doesn't cheese. But it immidiately gets frustrating, more then a normal loss, when you lose JUST because of BS. I hope you understand my frustration I understand it since I play zvp 
But I don't consider it bullshit when it comes down to it.
Anything allowed by the game is fair and just to me.
I would like if there was less cheses because I think that the swarm hostless super late game zvp is awesome.
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