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On September 26 2015 04:07 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2015 04:05 Rollora wrote:On September 26 2015 03:58 joshie0808 wrote:On September 26 2015 03:56 Rollora wrote:On September 26 2015 03:52 CheddarToss wrote:On September 26 2015 03:49 Rollora wrote:
I wonder if sOs would have ANY success if there wasn't so much cheese avaliable and he was forced to play a macro game without bullshit Of course. no he wouldn't. DIdn't see ONE straightup, "honest" macro game without bullshit, he doesn't even know how to play it Lol so salty, sc is a game of hidden information. Go watch chess if you want 'honest' games where everyone knows everything. SoS is just playing the game. Not hard for Solar to scout better. Solar 9 pooled this game and SoS scouted. Just how things work out you mean protoss is the race of hidden things. There is a difference between leaving someone in the dark as long as possible (for terran: hiding you go mech or bio or so, for terran hide buildings), but the only race that works so often JUST because it has hidden something or you can win only because you hid something (not because of skill) is protoss. Not saying sOs has no skill, on the contrary the huge variety of builds he knows impresses me, and reading his opponent, comebacks, mindgames... and yeah, lol i should watch chess.... or ANY other sport, because I cannot remember andy sport that works that way: hide something to surprise the oponent and if he isn't prepared then you win. The only thing that reminds me of is faking an injury/foul in soccer to win by penalties if you are the worse team and cannot score goals by yourself By nature of open playing fields there obviously wouldn't be an analogy in physical sports (that I'm aware of), but I think the implication that because it doesn't exist in any other sport it must be bad is curious. I like the concept of diligent scouting and information prevention in Starcraft and other esports. I think it's actually one of the most exciting parts.
I completely agree on that.
I don't mind scouting to know timings, what the opponent is up to etc
But you know what I am refering to - its the game winning BS you sometimes cannot scout. And I hate that, its kinda dirty, and in my believe not an "honest" win.
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If sOs follows this up with a 4gate i can die a happy man
at least as long as said 4gate fails
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sOs is Has with better mechanics
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ITS A PROXY STARGATE ON ONE BASE ROOFLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL
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On September 26 2015 04:05 Rollora wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2015 03:58 joshie0808 wrote:On September 26 2015 03:56 Rollora wrote:On September 26 2015 03:52 CheddarToss wrote:On September 26 2015 03:49 Rollora wrote:
I wonder if sOs would have ANY success if there wasn't so much cheese avaliable and he was forced to play a macro game without bullshit Of course. no he wouldn't. DIdn't see ONE straightup, "honest" macro game without bullshit, he doesn't even know how to play it Lol so salty, sc is a game of hidden information. Go watch chess if you want 'honest' games where everyone knows everything. SoS is just playing the game. Not hard for Solar to scout better. Solar 9 pooled this game and SoS scouted. Just how things work out you mean protoss is the race of hidden things. There is a difference between leaving someone in the dark as long as possible (for terran: hiding you go mech or bio or so, for terran hide buildings), but the only race that works so often JUST because it has hidden something or you can win only because you hid something (not because of skill) is protoss. Not saying sOs has no skill, on the contrary the huge variety of builds he knows impresses me, and reading his opponent, comebacks, mindgames... and yeah, lol i should watch chess.... or ANY other sport, because I cannot remember andy sport that works that way: hide something to surprise the oponent and if he isn't prepared then you win. The only thing that reminds me of is faking an injury/foul in soccer to win by penalties if you are the worse team and cannot score goals by yourself And stop that bullshit statement of scouting better. you can hide things so they can NOT be scouted
haha I agree with you that protoss definitely has a wide variety of builds, and each requires a different type of response, which makes this type of gamble-y play frustrating to play against or watch when it happens over and over.
I guess I just feel that its hard to blame SoS for utilizing it in 'abusive' ways because he's a competitor/professional. Above all, its his goal to win and support himself.
Its similar to asking Zergs to avoid BL/Infestor during its strength because it's imba or hard to play against (requires more skill to beat less skilled opponent).
Hate the game not the player?
Edit: I just find different types to enjoy from different types of games..
Watching macro games are awesome because of the skill/multitasking required
Watching SoS games is entertaining because ... 'How is he making this work!?'
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
On September 26 2015 04:09 Rollora wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2015 04:07 Zealously wrote:On September 26 2015 04:05 Rollora wrote:On September 26 2015 03:58 joshie0808 wrote:On September 26 2015 03:56 Rollora wrote:On September 26 2015 03:52 CheddarToss wrote:On September 26 2015 03:49 Rollora wrote:
I wonder if sOs would have ANY success if there wasn't so much cheese avaliable and he was forced to play a macro game without bullshit Of course. no he wouldn't. DIdn't see ONE straightup, "honest" macro game without bullshit, he doesn't even know how to play it Lol so salty, sc is a game of hidden information. Go watch chess if you want 'honest' games where everyone knows everything. SoS is just playing the game. Not hard for Solar to scout better. Solar 9 pooled this game and SoS scouted. Just how things work out you mean protoss is the race of hidden things. There is a difference between leaving someone in the dark as long as possible (for terran: hiding you go mech or bio or so, for terran hide buildings), but the only race that works so often JUST because it has hidden something or you can win only because you hid something (not because of skill) is protoss. Not saying sOs has no skill, on the contrary the huge variety of builds he knows impresses me, and reading his opponent, comebacks, mindgames... and yeah, lol i should watch chess.... or ANY other sport, because I cannot remember andy sport that works that way: hide something to surprise the oponent and if he isn't prepared then you win. The only thing that reminds me of is faking an injury/foul in soccer to win by penalties if you are the worse team and cannot score goals by yourself By nature of open playing fields there obviously wouldn't be an analogy in physical sports (that I'm aware of), but I think the implication that because it doesn't exist in any other sport it must be bad is curious. I like the concept of diligent scouting and information prevention in Starcraft and other esports. I think it's actually one of the most exciting parts. I completely agree on that. I don't mind scouting to know timings, what the opponent is up to etc But you know what I am refering to - its the game winning BS you sometimes cannot scout. And I hate that, its kinda dirty, and in my believe not an "honest" win.
Fair enough.
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On September 26 2015 04:09 Rollora wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2015 04:07 Zealously wrote:On September 26 2015 04:05 Rollora wrote:On September 26 2015 03:58 joshie0808 wrote:On September 26 2015 03:56 Rollora wrote:On September 26 2015 03:52 CheddarToss wrote:On September 26 2015 03:49 Rollora wrote:
I wonder if sOs would have ANY success if there wasn't so much cheese avaliable and he was forced to play a macro game without bullshit Of course. no he wouldn't. DIdn't see ONE straightup, "honest" macro game without bullshit, he doesn't even know how to play it Lol so salty, sc is a game of hidden information. Go watch chess if you want 'honest' games where everyone knows everything. SoS is just playing the game. Not hard for Solar to scout better. Solar 9 pooled this game and SoS scouted. Just how things work out you mean protoss is the race of hidden things. There is a difference between leaving someone in the dark as long as possible (for terran: hiding you go mech or bio or so, for terran hide buildings), but the only race that works so often JUST because it has hidden something or you can win only because you hid something (not because of skill) is protoss. Not saying sOs has no skill, on the contrary the huge variety of builds he knows impresses me, and reading his opponent, comebacks, mindgames... and yeah, lol i should watch chess.... or ANY other sport, because I cannot remember andy sport that works that way: hide something to surprise the oponent and if he isn't prepared then you win. The only thing that reminds me of is faking an injury/foul in soccer to win by penalties if you are the worse team and cannot score goals by yourself By nature of open playing fields there obviously wouldn't be an analogy in physical sports (that I'm aware of), but I think the implication that because it doesn't exist in any other sport it must be bad is curious. I like the concept of diligent scouting and information prevention in Starcraft and other esports. I think it's actually one of the most exciting parts. I completely agree on that. I don't mind scouting to know timings, what the opponent is up to etc But you know what I am refering to - its the game winning BS you sometimes cannot scout. And I hate that, its kinda dirty, and in my believe not an "honest" win.
a win is a win, it doesn't need to be 'honest', as long as there's no real cheating.
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On September 26 2015 04:09 Inflicted wrote:
PROXY DTS LETS GO
Surely we could not be this lucky.
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On September 26 2015 04:10 Yorkie wrote:
sOs is Has with better mechanics
dont say that
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On September 26 2015 04:10 joshie0808 wrote:
Its similar to asking Zergs to avoid BL/Infestor during its strength because it's imba or hard to play against (requires more skill to beat less skilled opponent).
I avoided that, can I shit on cheesers now?
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now i've seen fucking everything.
proxy gate into 4gate and proxy stargate.
dammit sOs.
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On September 26 2015 04:09 Rollora wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2015 04:07 Zealously wrote:On September 26 2015 04:05 Rollora wrote:On September 26 2015 03:58 joshie0808 wrote:On September 26 2015 03:56 Rollora wrote:On September 26 2015 03:52 CheddarToss wrote:On September 26 2015 03:49 Rollora wrote:
I wonder if sOs would have ANY success if there wasn't so much cheese avaliable and he was forced to play a macro game without bullshit Of course. no he wouldn't. DIdn't see ONE straightup, "honest" macro game without bullshit, he doesn't even know how to play it Lol so salty, sc is a game of hidden information. Go watch chess if you want 'honest' games where everyone knows everything. SoS is just playing the game. Not hard for Solar to scout better. Solar 9 pooled this game and SoS scouted. Just how things work out you mean protoss is the race of hidden things. There is a difference between leaving someone in the dark as long as possible (for terran: hiding you go mech or bio or so, for terran hide buildings), but the only race that works so often JUST because it has hidden something or you can win only because you hid something (not because of skill) is protoss. Not saying sOs has no skill, on the contrary the huge variety of builds he knows impresses me, and reading his opponent, comebacks, mindgames... and yeah, lol i should watch chess.... or ANY other sport, because I cannot remember andy sport that works that way: hide something to surprise the oponent and if he isn't prepared then you win. The only thing that reminds me of is faking an injury/foul in soccer to win by penalties if you are the worse team and cannot score goals by yourself By nature of open playing fields there obviously wouldn't be an analogy in physical sports (that I'm aware of), but I think the implication that because it doesn't exist in any other sport it must be bad is curious. I like the concept of diligent scouting and information prevention in Starcraft and other esports. I think it's actually one of the most exciting parts. I completely agree on that. I don't mind scouting to know timings, what the opponent is up to etc But you know what I am refering to - its the game winning BS you sometimes cannot scout. And I hate that, its kinda dirty, and in my believe not an "honest" win.
What the hell does an "honest win mean?
Is playing mech vs z or the blink sentry lilbow crap an "honest" win?
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On September 26 2015 04:07 CheddarToss wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2015 03:56 Rollora wrote:On September 26 2015 03:52 CheddarToss wrote:On September 26 2015 03:49 Rollora wrote:
I wonder if sOs would have ANY success if there wasn't so much cheese avaliable and he was forced to play a macro game without bullshit Of course. no he wouldn't. DIdn't see ONE straightup, "honest" macro game without bullshit, he doesn't even know how to play it Reduce the salt in you diet mate. It obviously isn't good for you.
its easy for a cheese-toss to laugh at others.
Next soccer game I just foul all opponent players (hidden, so the referee doesn't see it) until they cannot play anymore. Circumventing the meta, but hey, its part of the game. And these other players shouldn't bee too salty, its bad for their diet
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On September 26 2015 04:11 Psychonian wrote:
now i've seen fucking everything.
proxy gate into 4gate and proxy stargate.
dammit sOs.
Do you not ladder?
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United States97274 Posts
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hes going to win this game
he's actually going to win this game
sOs i swear to god
edit: OH he doesnt have warpgate
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Australia18228 Posts
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On September 26 2015 04:11 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2015 04:10 joshie0808 wrote:
Its similar to asking Zergs to avoid BL/Infestor during its strength because it's imba or hard to play against (requires more skill to beat less skilled opponent).
I avoided that, can I shit on cheesers now?
You're a real gentleman 
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