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Rollora
Profile Joined February 2012
2450 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-09-25 19:20:43
September 25 2015 19:19 GMT
#1521
On September 26 2015 04:17 ZAiNs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2015 04:14 Rollora wrote:
On September 26 2015 04:08 HellHound wrote:
On September 26 2015 04:05 Rollora wrote:
On September 26 2015 03:58 joshie0808 wrote:
On September 26 2015 03:56 Rollora wrote:
On September 26 2015 03:52 CheddarToss wrote:
On September 26 2015 03:49 Rollora wrote:
I wonder if sOs would have ANY success if there wasn't so much cheese avaliable and he was forced to play a macro game without bullshit

Of course.

no he wouldn't. DIdn't see ONE straightup, "honest" macro game without bullshit, he doesn't even know how to play it

Lol so salty, sc is a game of hidden information. Go watch chess if you want 'honest' games where everyone knows everything.

SoS is just playing the game. Not hard for Solar to scout better.

Solar 9 pooled this game and SoS scouted. Just how things work out

you mean protoss is the race of hidden things.
There is a difference between leaving someone in the dark as long as possible (for terran: hiding you go mech or bio or so, for terran hide buildings), but the only race that works so often JUST because it has hidden something or you can win only because you hid something (not because of skill) is protoss. Not saying sOs has no skill, on the contrary the huge variety of builds he knows impresses me, and reading his opponent, comebacks, mindgames...

and yeah, lol i should watch chess.... or ANY other sport, because I cannot remember andy sport that works that way: hide something to surprise the oponent and if he isn't prepared then you win. The only thing that reminds me of is faking an injury/foul in soccer to win by penalties if you are the worse team and cannot score goals by yourself


And stop that bullshit statement of scouting better. you can hide things so they can NOT be scouted
Every sport and game has hidden information SC2 is just more blatant about it.
Protoss having the most varied cheeses is a fact no one right in the head is arguing that so there is no need to repeat it over and over :D



Sorry, it just annoys me, that you can win a game solely by surprising an enemy
It really kills the fun for me. It completely takes it away for me, and many others. Its bad design I think
Starcraft is a great game if you have a fun, macro games against zerg or terran, even toss if you have one that doesn't cheese. But it immidiately gets frustrating, more then a normal loss, when you lose JUST because of BS. I hope you understand my frustration

You're probably only going to lose to a surprise if you take risks. Though at a top-level I admit it's necessary to take risks sometimes. I do think you're blowing things out of proportion, people seem to think PvP is hast he most luck and bullshit yet someone like Zest has an insane PvP winrate vs other Koreans despite PvP's reputation.

the problem if you ladder you take risks by every choice(because you don't know the opponent). If you play save (meaning not taking too much risk) you are behind from the very start if the opponent plays greedy... you know the struggle :D
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
September 25 2015 19:19 GMT
#1522
On September 26 2015 04:19 stuchiu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2015 04:17 chipmonklord17 wrote:
On September 26 2015 04:16 Psychonian wrote:
dark.

fucking.

shrine.

i have no words.


I really don't get the stargate into DT thing. You force the zerg into make spores because of the stargate and then you're already detected


Thats the mindgame, hail Inca

Blizzard allows Zerg to salvage spores, ZvP winrates drop by 5%
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
Wrath
Profile Blog Joined July 2014
3174 Posts
September 25 2015 19:20 GMT
#1523
save us sOs from ZvZ
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
September 25 2015 19:20 GMT
#1524
On September 26 2015 04:17 chipmonklord17 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2015 04:16 Psychonian wrote:
dark.

fucking.

shrine.

i have no words.


I really don't get the stargate into DT thing. You force the zerg into make spores because of the stargate and then you're already detected


BISUUUU
AdministratorBreak the chains
SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
September 25 2015 19:20 GMT
#1525
FF's continue to be hella lame
Community News"As long as you have a warp prism you can't be bad at harassment" - Maru | @SetGuitars2Kill
Psychonian
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2322 Posts
September 25 2015 19:20 GMT
#1526
if sos wins this game without making a carrier or tempests I will be very very very sad
Trans Rights
joshie0808
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada1024 Posts
September 25 2015 19:20 GMT
#1527
On September 26 2015 04:14 Rollora wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2015 04:08 HellHound wrote:
On September 26 2015 04:05 Rollora wrote:
On September 26 2015 03:58 joshie0808 wrote:
On September 26 2015 03:56 Rollora wrote:
On September 26 2015 03:52 CheddarToss wrote:
On September 26 2015 03:49 Rollora wrote:
I wonder if sOs would have ANY success if there wasn't so much cheese avaliable and he was forced to play a macro game without bullshit

Of course.

no he wouldn't. DIdn't see ONE straightup, "honest" macro game without bullshit, he doesn't even know how to play it

Lol so salty, sc is a game of hidden information. Go watch chess if you want 'honest' games where everyone knows everything.

SoS is just playing the game. Not hard for Solar to scout better.

Solar 9 pooled this game and SoS scouted. Just how things work out

you mean protoss is the race of hidden things.
There is a difference between leaving someone in the dark as long as possible (for terran: hiding you go mech or bio or so, for terran hide buildings), but the only race that works so often JUST because it has hidden something or you can win only because you hid something (not because of skill) is protoss. Not saying sOs has no skill, on the contrary the huge variety of builds he knows impresses me, and reading his opponent, comebacks, mindgames...

and yeah, lol i should watch chess.... or ANY other sport, because I cannot remember andy sport that works that way: hide something to surprise the oponent and if he isn't prepared then you win. The only thing that reminds me of is faking an injury/foul in soccer to win by penalties if you are the worse team and cannot score goals by yourself


And stop that bullshit statement of scouting better. you can hide things so they can NOT be scouted
Every sport and game has hidden information SC2 is just more blatant about it.
Protoss having the most varied cheeses is a fact no one right in the head is arguing that so there is no need to repeat it over and over :D



Sorry, it just annoys me, that you can win a game solely by surprising an enemy
It really kills the fun for me. It completely takes it away for me, and many others. Its bad design I think
Starcraft is a great game if you have a fun, macro games against zerg or terran, even toss if you have one that doesn't cheese. But it immidiately gets frustrating, more then a normal loss, when you lose JUST because of BS. I hope you understand my frustration


I definitely agree with your overall sentiment tbh.
I think if we saw many more games like this I would find it quite annoying too.

But as I watch SO much starcraft... throwing SoS or Has in and expecting the strange cheese and balls-to-the-wall gambles changes the pace up enough from the typical 'macro game' that I guess I just try and appreciate it for what it is.


Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
September 25 2015 19:20 GMT
#1528
On September 26 2015 04:20 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2015 04:17 chipmonklord17 wrote:
On September 26 2015 04:16 Psychonian wrote:
dark.

fucking.

shrine.

i have no words.


I really don't get the stargate into DT thing. You force the zerg into make spores because of the stargate and then you're already detected


BISUUUU

oracles don't kill overseers
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17731 Posts
September 25 2015 19:20 GMT
#1529
On September 26 2015 04:19 Ej_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2015 04:19 stuchiu wrote:
On September 26 2015 04:17 chipmonklord17 wrote:
On September 26 2015 04:16 Psychonian wrote:
dark.

fucking.

shrine.

i have no words.


I really don't get the stargate into DT thing. You force the zerg into make spores because of the stargate and then you're already detected


Thats the mindgame, hail Inca

Blizzard allows Zerg to salvage spores, ZvP winrates drop by 5%

lol
"Expert" mods4ever.com
Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24603 Posts
September 25 2015 19:20 GMT
#1530
"I made a career out of being wrong, that is much more impressive" - Rotti, 2015
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28527 Posts
September 25 2015 19:20 GMT
#1531
Rotti is an oracle
I Protoss winner, could it be?
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
September 25 2015 19:21 GMT
#1532
On September 26 2015 04:20 Ej_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2015 04:20 Zealously wrote:
On September 26 2015 04:17 chipmonklord17 wrote:
On September 26 2015 04:16 Psychonian wrote:
dark.

fucking.

shrine.

i have no words.


I really don't get the stargate into DT thing. You force the zerg into make spores because of the stargate and then you're already detected


BISUUUU

oracles don't kill overseers


Unfortunate, but merely a detail

should have gotten phoenixes
AdministratorBreak the chains
Makro
Profile Joined March 2011
France16890 Posts
September 25 2015 19:21 GMT
#1533
sOs has this
Matthew 5:10 "Blessed are those who are persecuted because of shitposting, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven".
TL+ Member
Wrath
Profile Blog Joined July 2014
3174 Posts
September 25 2015 19:21 GMT
#1534
This shit is intense!!
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
September 25 2015 19:21 GMT
#1535
On September 26 2015 04:21 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2015 04:20 Ej_ wrote:
On September 26 2015 04:20 Zealously wrote:
On September 26 2015 04:17 chipmonklord17 wrote:
On September 26 2015 04:16 Psychonian wrote:
dark.

fucking.

shrine.

i have no words.


I really don't get the stargate into DT thing. You force the zerg into make spores because of the stargate and then you're already detected


BISUUUU

oracles don't kill overseers


Unfortunate, but merely a detail

should have gotten phoenixes

that build actually exists!
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
MiniFotToss
Profile Joined December 2013
China2430 Posts
September 25 2015 19:21 GMT
#1536
GOGO SOS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17731 Posts
September 25 2015 19:21 GMT
#1537
On September 26 2015 04:21 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2015 04:20 Ej_ wrote:
On September 26 2015 04:20 Zealously wrote:
On September 26 2015 04:17 chipmonklord17 wrote:
On September 26 2015 04:16 Psychonian wrote:
dark.

fucking.

shrine.

i have no words.


I really don't get the stargate into DT thing. You force the zerg into make spores because of the stargate and then you're already detected


BISUUUU

oracles don't kill overseers


Unfortunate, but merely a detail

should have gotten phoenixes

the DTs are the important part anyways
"Expert" mods4ever.com
Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24603 Posts
September 25 2015 19:21 GMT
#1538
On September 26 2015 04:20 Ej_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2015 04:20 Zealously wrote:
On September 26 2015 04:17 chipmonklord17 wrote:
On September 26 2015 04:16 Psychonian wrote:
dark.

fucking.

shrine.

i have no words.


I really don't get the stargate into DT thing. You force the zerg into make spores because of the stargate and then you're already detected


BISUUUU

oracles don't kill overseers


I think it was to use them defensively actually. As in that Coda game.
chipmonklord17
Profile Joined February 2011
United States11944 Posts
September 25 2015 19:21 GMT
#1539
ultras into lose?
HellHound
Profile Joined September 2014
Bulgaria5962 Posts
September 25 2015 19:22 GMT
#1540
On September 26 2015 04:17 ZAiNs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2015 04:14 Rollora wrote:
On September 26 2015 04:08 HellHound wrote:
On September 26 2015 04:05 Rollora wrote:
On September 26 2015 03:58 joshie0808 wrote:
On September 26 2015 03:56 Rollora wrote:
On September 26 2015 03:52 CheddarToss wrote:
On September 26 2015 03:49 Rollora wrote:
I wonder if sOs would have ANY success if there wasn't so much cheese avaliable and he was forced to play a macro game without bullshit

Of course.

no he wouldn't. DIdn't see ONE straightup, "honest" macro game without bullshit, he doesn't even know how to play it

Lol so salty, sc is a game of hidden information. Go watch chess if you want 'honest' games where everyone knows everything.

SoS is just playing the game. Not hard for Solar to scout better.

Solar 9 pooled this game and SoS scouted. Just how things work out

you mean protoss is the race of hidden things.
There is a difference between leaving someone in the dark as long as possible (for terran: hiding you go mech or bio or so, for terran hide buildings), but the only race that works so often JUST because it has hidden something or you can win only because you hid something (not because of skill) is protoss. Not saying sOs has no skill, on the contrary the huge variety of builds he knows impresses me, and reading his opponent, comebacks, mindgames...

and yeah, lol i should watch chess.... or ANY other sport, because I cannot remember andy sport that works that way: hide something to surprise the oponent and if he isn't prepared then you win. The only thing that reminds me of is faking an injury/foul in soccer to win by penalties if you are the worse team and cannot score goals by yourself


And stop that bullshit statement of scouting better. you can hide things so they can NOT be scouted
Every sport and game has hidden information SC2 is just more blatant about it.
Protoss having the most varied cheeses is a fact no one right in the head is arguing that so there is no need to repeat it over and over :D



Sorry, it just annoys me, that you can win a game solely by surprising an enemy
It really kills the fun for me. It completely takes it away for me, and many others. Its bad design I think
Starcraft is a great game if you have a fun, macro games against zerg or terran, even toss if you have one that doesn't cheese. But it immidiately gets frustrating, more then a normal loss, when you lose JUST because of BS. I hope you understand my frustration

You're probably only going to lose to a surprise if you take risks. Though at a top-level I admit it's necessary to take risks sometimes. I do think you're blowing things out of proportion, people seem to think PvP is hast he most luck and bullshit yet someone like Zest has an insane PvP winrate vs other Koreans despite PvP's reputation.

Oh lol someone is arguing that protoss isn't a bag of bullshit haha
If you play safe in to cheese it makes it harder to defend earlier timings
If you play safe vs early timings you expose yourself to later timings
Playing safe vs later timings involve skipping safety measures to early timings/cheese to get more econ before they hit.
Balancing those is what zvp is about.
There is no one safe build.
Classic GosoO |sOs| Everyone has to give in, let Life win | Zest Is The Best | Roach Cultist | I recognize the might and wisdom of my Otherworldly overlord | Air vs Air 200/200 SC2 is best SC2 | PRIME has been robbed | Fuck prime go ST | ROACH ROACH ROACH
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