On August 15 2015 05:40 chipmonklord17 wrote: I still hate the widow mine. I think its one of the worst designed units still in the game
I think exactly the opposite
Really? They're pretty much random and absurdly broken at lower levels. After drilling claws (which I REALLY can't believe is still a thing) a zerg player has 1 second to react to a burrowed mine. As a zerg it feels like there are no countermeasures once the mine count gets high enough. And luckily enough they can be produced two at a time
It gives a lot to the Terran gameplay in terms of space control, how it interacts with bio. But above all I think it's one of the few things in sc2 which allows comebacks, it rewards skill and all those "OOOOOH SHIII!" moments that are just way too few in sc2.
This doesn't mean I don't hate it when a Terran randomly boosts into my mineral lines and all my shit dies though.
I suppose that's where I disagree. At least in TvZ. TvP I can't really comment on but in TvZ it feels like once you've made enough mines you've won. It doesn't take skill to burrow a unit that takes 1 second and then have it get a lucky hit. I think you move them to techlab and remove drilling claws and I'm okay with them as is, but it just feels like they've been made to be too good.
EDIT: My god you can barely tell what's bolded in the new format. Rito TL pls
they are definitely not "too good" vs Zerg, but they are INSANELY frustrating for both sides of the match up
I mean too good in both the balance sense and in the sense that they outclass most of terran's other units. Why build tanks when you can build mines? Why build thors when you can build mines? It feels like mines are too much of a one stop shop for terran with too negligible of a downside. They're fast enough to keep up, quick enough to burrow to defend themselves, hit ground and air, don't splash eachother. They're not BL/Infestor levels of too good, but imo they're far too good to have remained in the game this long without some kind of tweak
You don't build tanks because tanks suck : P Terrans do build Thors, marines, medivacs, marauders and all that other shit. They can easily lose you a game if you get bad hits because Zerg baits them out or snipes them or catches terran in a bad situation
Terrans do build more than just mines, but there are also terrans who build JUST mines from factories. Its completely viable to build marine/mine and nothing else. Hell we've seen exclusively mine/medivac work out. IMO that just shouldn't be the case
In what league?
I remember qxc killing Stephano with mines only on ladder. That was heartbreaking.
On August 15 2015 05:40 chipmonklord17 wrote: I still hate the widow mine. I think its one of the worst designed units still in the game
I think exactly the opposite
Really? They're pretty much random and absurdly broken at lower levels. After drilling claws (which I REALLY can't believe is still a thing) a zerg player has 1 second to react to a burrowed mine. As a zerg it feels like there are no countermeasures once the mine count gets high enough. And luckily enough they can be produced two at a time
It gives a lot to the Terran gameplay in terms of space control, how it interacts with bio. But above all I think it's one of the few things in sc2 which allows comebacks, it rewards skill and all those "OOOOOH SHIII!" moments that are just way too few in sc2.
This doesn't mean I don't hate it when a Terran randomly boosts into my mineral lines and all my shit dies though.
I suppose that's where I disagree. At least in TvZ. TvP I can't really comment on but in TvZ it feels like once you've made enough mines you've won. It doesn't take skill to burrow a unit that takes 1 second and then have it get a lucky hit. I think you move them to techlab and remove drilling claws and I'm okay with them as is, but it just feels like they've been made to be too good.
EDIT: My god you can barely tell what's bolded in the new format. Rito TL pls
they are definitely not "too good" vs Zerg, but they are INSANELY frustrating for both sides of the match up
I mean too good in both the balance sense and in the sense that they outclass most of terran's other units. Why build tanks when you can build mines? Why build thors when you can build mines? It feels like mines are too much of a one stop shop for terran with too negligible of a downside. They're fast enough to keep up, quick enough to burrow to defend themselves, hit ground and air, don't splash eachother. They're not BL/Infestor levels of too good, but imo they're far too good to have remained in the game this long without some kind of tweak
You don't build tanks because tanks suck : P Terrans do build Thors, marines, medivacs, marauders and all that other shit. They can easily lose you a game if you get bad hits because Zerg baits them out or snipes them or catches terran in a bad situation
Terrans do build more than just mines, but there are also terrans who build JUST mines from factories. Its completely viable to build marine/mine and nothing else. Hell we've seen exclusively mine/medivac work out. IMO that just shouldn't be the case
Really? They're pretty much random and absurdly broken at lower levels. After drilling claws (which I REALLY can't believe is still a thing) a zerg player has 1 second to react to a burrowed mine. As a zerg it feels like there are no countermeasures once the mine count gets high enough. And luckily enough they can be produced two at a time
It gives a lot to the Terran gameplay in terms of space control, how it interacts with bio. But above all I think it's one of the few things in sc2 which allows comebacks, it rewards skill and all those "OOOOOH SHIII!" moments that are just way too few in sc2.
This doesn't mean I don't hate it when a Terran randomly boosts into my mineral lines and all my shit dies though.
I suppose that's where I disagree. At least in TvZ. TvP I can't really comment on but in TvZ it feels like once you've made enough mines you've won. It doesn't take skill to burrow a unit that takes 1 second and then have it get a lucky hit. I think you move them to techlab and remove drilling claws and I'm okay with them as is, but it just feels like they've been made to be too good.
EDIT: My god you can barely tell what's bolded in the new format. Rito TL pls
they are definitely not "too good" vs Zerg, but they are INSANELY frustrating for both sides of the match up
I mean too good in both the balance sense and in the sense that they outclass most of terran's other units. Why build tanks when you can build mines? Why build thors when you can build mines? It feels like mines are too much of a one stop shop for terran with too negligible of a downside. They're fast enough to keep up, quick enough to burrow to defend themselves, hit ground and air, don't splash eachother. They're not BL/Infestor levels of too good, but imo they're far too good to have remained in the game this long without some kind of tweak
You don't build tanks because tanks suck : P Terrans do build Thors, marines, medivacs, marauders and all that other shit. They can easily lose you a game if you get bad hits because Zerg baits them out or snipes them or catches terran in a bad situation
Terrans do build more than just mines, but there are also terrans who build JUST mines from factories. Its completely viable to build marine/mine and nothing else. Hell we've seen exclusively mine/medivac work out. IMO that just shouldn't be the case
In what league?
I remember qxc killing Stephano with mines only on ladder. That was heartbreaking.
Really? They're pretty much random and absurdly broken at lower levels. After drilling claws (which I REALLY can't believe is still a thing) a zerg player has 1 second to react to a burrowed mine. As a zerg it feels like there are no countermeasures once the mine count gets high enough. And luckily enough they can be produced two at a time
It gives a lot to the Terran gameplay in terms of space control, how it interacts with bio. But above all I think it's one of the few things in sc2 which allows comebacks, it rewards skill and all those "OOOOOH SHIII!" moments that are just way too few in sc2.
This doesn't mean I don't hate it when a Terran randomly boosts into my mineral lines and all my shit dies though.
I suppose that's where I disagree. At least in TvZ. TvP I can't really comment on but in TvZ it feels like once you've made enough mines you've won. It doesn't take skill to burrow a unit that takes 1 second and then have it get a lucky hit. I think you move them to techlab and remove drilling claws and I'm okay with them as is, but it just feels like they've been made to be too good.
EDIT: My god you can barely tell what's bolded in the new format. Rito TL pls
they are definitely not "too good" vs Zerg, but they are INSANELY frustrating for both sides of the match up
I mean too good in both the balance sense and in the sense that they outclass most of terran's other units. Why build tanks when you can build mines? Why build thors when you can build mines? It feels like mines are too much of a one stop shop for terran with too negligible of a downside. They're fast enough to keep up, quick enough to burrow to defend themselves, hit ground and air, don't splash eachother. They're not BL/Infestor levels of too good, but imo they're far too good to have remained in the game this long without some kind of tweak
You don't build tanks because tanks suck : P Terrans do build Thors, marines, medivacs, marauders and all that other shit. They can easily lose you a game if you get bad hits because Zerg baits them out or snipes them or catches terran in a bad situation
Terrans do build more than just mines, but there are also terrans who build JUST mines from factories. Its completely viable to build marine/mine and nothing else. Hell we've seen exclusively mine/medivac work out. IMO that just shouldn't be the case
I think the problem with widow mines is that they are way to cost efficient. A 75/25 that can one-shot a 100/100 mutalisk, and when its done that, its paid for itself. And it can do that again every 40 seconds.
On August 15 2015 06:07 Solar424 wrote: I think the problem with widow mines is that they are way to cost efficient. A 75/25 that can one-shot a 100/100 mutalisk, and when its done that, its paid for itself. And it can do that again every 40 seconds.
That too. Add in its double production capabilities and 1 second burrow time and you're left with a unit that has very little drawbacks.
Really? They're pretty much random and absurdly broken at lower levels. After drilling claws (which I REALLY can't believe is still a thing) a zerg player has 1 second to react to a burrowed mine. As a zerg it feels like there are no countermeasures once the mine count gets high enough. And luckily enough they can be produced two at a time
It gives a lot to the Terran gameplay in terms of space control, how it interacts with bio. But above all I think it's one of the few things in sc2 which allows comebacks, it rewards skill and all those "OOOOOH SHIII!" moments that are just way too few in sc2.
This doesn't mean I don't hate it when a Terran randomly boosts into my mineral lines and all my shit dies though.
I suppose that's where I disagree. At least in TvZ. TvP I can't really comment on but in TvZ it feels like once you've made enough mines you've won. It doesn't take skill to burrow a unit that takes 1 second and then have it get a lucky hit. I think you move them to techlab and remove drilling claws and I'm okay with them as is, but it just feels like they've been made to be too good.
EDIT: My god you can barely tell what's bolded in the new format. Rito TL pls
they are definitely not "too good" vs Zerg, but they are INSANELY frustrating for both sides of the match up
I mean too good in both the balance sense and in the sense that they outclass most of terran's other units. Why build tanks when you can build mines? Why build thors when you can build mines? It feels like mines are too much of a one stop shop for terran with too negligible of a downside. They're fast enough to keep up, quick enough to burrow to defend themselves, hit ground and air, don't splash eachother. They're not BL/Infestor levels of too good, but imo they're far too good to have remained in the game this long without some kind of tweak
You don't build tanks because tanks suck : P Terrans do build Thors, marines, medivacs, marauders and all that other shit. They can easily lose you a game if you get bad hits because Zerg baits them out or snipes them or catches terran in a bad situation
Terrans do build more than just mines, but there are also terrans who build JUST mines from factories. Its completely viable to build marine/mine and nothing else. Hell we've seen exclusively mine/medivac work out. IMO that just shouldn't be the case
how long was that break from end of the last game to start of this game...? feels like 30 minutes lol actually looking at the posts here, it seems to have been 28 minutes
On August 15 2015 06:11 Die4Ever wrote: how long was that break from end of the last game to start of this game...? feels like 30 minutes lol actually looking at the posts here, it seems to have been 28 minutes
Yeah I think it was 25 minutes this time. Way too long.
EPT
