On August 15 2015 05:40 chipmonklord17 wrote: I still hate the widow mine. I think its one of the worst designed units still in the game
I think exactly the opposite
Really? They're pretty much random and absurdly broken at lower levels. After drilling claws (which I REALLY can't believe is still a thing) a zerg player has 1 second to react to a burrowed mine. As a zerg it feels like there are no countermeasures once the mine count gets high enough. And luckily enough they can be produced two at a time
On August 15 2015 05:40 chipmonklord17 wrote: I still hate the widow mine. I think its one of the worst designed units still in the game
I think exactly the opposite
Really? They're pretty much random and absurdly broken at lower levels. After drilling claws (which I REALLY can't believe is still a thing) a zerg player has 1 second to react to a burrowed mine. As a zerg it feels like there are no countermeasures once the mine count gets high enough. And luckily enough they can be produced two at a time
It gives a lot to the Terran gameplay in terms of space control, how it interacts with bio. But above all I think it's one of the few things in sc2 which allows comebacks, it rewards skill and all those "OOOOOH SHIII!" moments that are just way too few in sc2.
This doesn't mean I don't hate it when a Terran randomly boosts into my mineral lines and all my shit dies though.
On August 15 2015 05:40 chipmonklord17 wrote: I still hate the widow mine. I think its one of the worst designed units still in the game
I think exactly the opposite
Really? They're pretty much random and absurdly broken at lower levels.
agreed, you can easily beat protoss with mass amounts of mines up to plat league
sometimes a fast mine drop is enough to win outright, protosses are so scared of them they build a bunch of cannons and get super behind that way instead
On August 15 2015 05:40 chipmonklord17 wrote: I still hate the widow mine. I think its one of the worst designed units still in the game
I think exactly the opposite
Really? They're pretty much random and absurdly broken at lower levels. After drilling claws (which I REALLY can't believe is still a thing) a zerg player has 1 second to react to a burrowed mine. As a zerg it feels like there are no countermeasures once the mine count gets high enough. And luckily enough they can be produced two at a time
It gives a lot to the Terran gameplay in terms of space control, how it interacts with bio. But above all I think it's one of the few things in sc2 which allows comebacks, it rewards skill and all those "OOOOOH SHIII!" moments that are just way too few in sc2.
This doesn't mean I don't hate it when a Terran randomly boosts into my mineral lines and all my shit dies though.
I suppose that's where I disagree. At least in TvZ. TvP I can't really comment on but in TvZ it feels like once you've made enough mines you've won. It doesn't take skill to burrow a unit that takes 1 second and then have it get a lucky hit. I think you move them to techlab and remove drilling claws and I'm okay with them as is, but it just feels like they've been made to be too good.
EDIT: My god you can barely tell what's bolded in the new format. Rito TL pls
On August 15 2015 05:40 chipmonklord17 wrote: I still hate the widow mine. I think its one of the worst designed units still in the game
I think exactly the opposite
Really? They're pretty much random and absurdly broken at lower levels. After drilling claws (which I REALLY can't believe is still a thing) a zerg player has 1 second to react to a burrowed mine. As a zerg it feels like there are no countermeasures once the mine count gets high enough. And luckily enough they can be produced two at a time
It gives a lot to the Terran gameplay in terms of space control, how it interacts with bio. But above all I think it's one of the few things in sc2 which allows comebacks, it rewards skill and all those "OOOOOH SHIII!" moments that are just way too few in sc2.
This doesn't mean I don't hate it when a Terran randomly boosts into my mineral lines and all my shit dies though.
back in my day you made comebacks the hard way down 100 supply with tanks and bio.
On August 15 2015 05:40 chipmonklord17 wrote: I still hate the widow mine. I think its one of the worst designed units still in the game
I think exactly the opposite
Really? They're pretty much random and absurdly broken at lower levels. After drilling claws (which I REALLY can't believe is still a thing) a zerg player has 1 second to react to a burrowed mine. As a zerg it feels like there are no countermeasures once the mine count gets high enough. And luckily enough they can be produced two at a time
It gives a lot to the Terran gameplay in terms of space control, how it interacts with bio. But above all I think it's one of the few things in sc2 which allows comebacks, it rewards skill and all those "OOOOOH SHIII!" moments that are just way too few in sc2.
This doesn't mean I don't hate it when a Terran randomly boosts into my mineral lines and all my shit dies though.
I suppose that's where I disagree. At least in TvZ. TvP I can't really comment on but in TvZ it feels like once you've made enough mines you've won. It doesn't take skill to burrow a unit that takes 1 second and then have it get a lucky hit. I think you move them to techlab and remove drilling claws and I'm okay with them as is, but it just feels like they've been made to be too good.
EDIT: My god you can barely tell what's bolded in the new format. Rito TL pls
they are definitely not "too good" vs Zerg, but they are INSANELY frustrating for both sides of the match up
On August 15 2015 05:40 chipmonklord17 wrote: I still hate the widow mine. I think its one of the worst designed units still in the game
I think exactly the opposite
Really? They're pretty much random and absurdly broken at lower levels. After drilling claws (which I REALLY can't believe is still a thing) a zerg player has 1 second to react to a burrowed mine. As a zerg it feels like there are no countermeasures once the mine count gets high enough. And luckily enough they can be produced two at a time
It gives a lot to the Terran gameplay in terms of space control, how it interacts with bio. But above all I think it's one of the few things in sc2 which allows comebacks, it rewards skill and all those "OOOOOH SHIII!" moments that are just way too few in sc2.
This doesn't mean I don't hate it when a Terran randomly boosts into my mineral lines and all my shit dies though.
I suppose that's where I disagree. At least in TvZ. TvP I can't really comment on but in TvZ it feels like once you've made enough mines you've won. It doesn't take skill to burrow a unit that takes 1 second and then have it get a lucky hit. I think you move them to techlab and remove drilling claws and I'm okay with them as is, but it just feels like they've been made to be too good.
EDIT: My god you can barely tell what's bolded in the new format. Rito TL pls
they are definitely not "too good" vs Zerg, but they are INSANELY frustrating for both sides of the match up
I mean too good in both the balance sense and in the sense that they outclass most of terran's other units. Why build tanks when you can build mines? Why build thors when you can build mines? It feels like mines are too much of a one stop shop for terran with too negligible of a downside. They're fast enough to keep up, quick enough to burrow to defend themselves, hit ground and air, don't splash eachother. They're not BL/Infestor levels of too good, but imo they're far too good to have remained in the game this long without some kind of tweak
On August 15 2015 05:40 chipmonklord17 wrote: I still hate the widow mine. I think its one of the worst designed units still in the game
I think exactly the opposite
Really? They're pretty much random and absurdly broken at lower levels. After drilling claws (which I REALLY can't believe is still a thing) a zerg player has 1 second to react to a burrowed mine. As a zerg it feels like there are no countermeasures once the mine count gets high enough. And luckily enough they can be produced two at a time
It gives a lot to the Terran gameplay in terms of space control, how it interacts with bio. But above all I think it's one of the few things in sc2 which allows comebacks, it rewards skill and all those "OOOOOH SHIII!" moments that are just way too few in sc2.
This doesn't mean I don't hate it when a Terran randomly boosts into my mineral lines and all my shit dies though.
I suppose that's where I disagree. At least in TvZ. TvP I can't really comment on but in TvZ it feels like once you've made enough mines you've won. It doesn't take skill to burrow a unit that takes 1 second and then have it get a lucky hit. I think you move them to techlab and remove drilling claws and I'm okay with them as is, but it just feels like they've been made to be too good.
EDIT: My god you can barely tell what's bolded in the new format. Rito TL pls
they are definitely not "too good" vs Zerg, but they are INSANELY frustrating for both sides of the match up
I mean too good in both the balance sense and in the sense that they outclass most of terran's other units. Why build tanks when you can build mines? Why build thors when you can build mines? It feels like mines are too much of a one stop shop for terran with too negligible of a downside. They're fast enough to keep up, quick enough to burrow to defend themselves, hit ground and air, don't splash eachother. They're not BL/Infestor levels of too good, but imo they're far too good to have remained in the game this long without some kind of tweak
You don't build tanks because tanks suck : P Terrans do build Thors, marines, medivacs, marauders and all that other shit. They can easily lose you a game if you get bad hits because Zerg baits them out or snipes them or catches terran in a bad situation
On August 15 2015 05:40 chipmonklord17 wrote: I still hate the widow mine. I think its one of the worst designed units still in the game
I think exactly the opposite
Really? They're pretty much random and absurdly broken at lower levels. After drilling claws (which I REALLY can't believe is still a thing) a zerg player has 1 second to react to a burrowed mine. As a zerg it feels like there are no countermeasures once the mine count gets high enough. And luckily enough they can be produced two at a time
It gives a lot to the Terran gameplay in terms of space control, how it interacts with bio. But above all I think it's one of the few things in sc2 which allows comebacks, it rewards skill and all those "OOOOOH SHIII!" moments that are just way too few in sc2.
This doesn't mean I don't hate it when a Terran randomly boosts into my mineral lines and all my shit dies though.
I suppose that's where I disagree. At least in TvZ. TvP I can't really comment on but in TvZ it feels like once you've made enough mines you've won. It doesn't take skill to burrow a unit that takes 1 second and then have it get a lucky hit. I think you move them to techlab and remove drilling claws and I'm okay with them as is, but it just feels like they've been made to be too good.
EDIT: My god you can barely tell what's bolded in the new format. Rito TL pls
they are definitely not "too good" vs Zerg, but they are INSANELY frustrating for both sides of the match up
I mean too good in both the balance sense and in the sense that they outclass most of terran's other units. Why build tanks when you can build mines? Why build thors when you can build mines? It feels like mines are too much of a one stop shop for terran with too negligible of a downside. They're fast enough to keep up, quick enough to burrow to defend themselves, hit ground and air, don't splash eachother. They're not BL/Infestor levels of too good, but imo they're far too good to have remained in the game this long without some kind of tweak
last times mines got tweaked, ZParcraft was written
On August 15 2015 05:40 chipmonklord17 wrote: I still hate the widow mine. I think its one of the worst designed units still in the game
I think exactly the opposite
Really? They're pretty much random and absurdly broken at lower levels. After drilling claws (which I REALLY can't believe is still a thing) a zerg player has 1 second to react to a burrowed mine. As a zerg it feels like there are no countermeasures once the mine count gets high enough. And luckily enough they can be produced two at a time
It gives a lot to the Terran gameplay in terms of space control, how it interacts with bio. But above all I think it's one of the few things in sc2 which allows comebacks, it rewards skill and all those "OOOOOH SHIII!" moments that are just way too few in sc2.
This doesn't mean I don't hate it when a Terran randomly boosts into my mineral lines and all my shit dies though.
I suppose that's where I disagree. At least in TvZ. TvP I can't really comment on but in TvZ it feels like once you've made enough mines you've won. It doesn't take skill to burrow a unit that takes 1 second and then have it get a lucky hit. I think you move them to techlab and remove drilling claws and I'm okay with them as is, but it just feels like they've been made to be too good.
EDIT: My god you can barely tell what's bolded in the new format. Rito TL pls
they are definitely not "too good" vs Zerg, but they are INSANELY frustrating for both sides of the match up
I mean too good in both the balance sense and in the sense that they outclass most of terran's other units. Why build tanks when you can build mines? Why build thors when you can build mines? It feels like mines are too much of a one stop shop for terran with too negligible of a downside. They're fast enough to keep up, quick enough to burrow to defend themselves, hit ground and air, don't splash eachother. They're not BL/Infestor levels of too good, but imo they're far too good to have remained in the game this long without some kind of tweak
You don't build tanks because tanks suck : P Terrans do build Thors, marines, medivacs, marauders and all that other shit. They can easily lose you a game if you get bad hits because Zerg baits them out or snipes them or catches terran in a bad situation
Terrans do build more than just mines, but there are also terrans who build JUST mines from factories. Its completely viable to build marine/mine and nothing else. Hell we've seen exclusively mine/medivac work out. IMO that just shouldn't be the case
On August 15 2015 05:40 chipmonklord17 wrote: I still hate the widow mine. I think its one of the worst designed units still in the game
I think exactly the opposite
Really? They're pretty much random and absurdly broken at lower levels. After drilling claws (which I REALLY can't believe is still a thing) a zerg player has 1 second to react to a burrowed mine. As a zerg it feels like there are no countermeasures once the mine count gets high enough. And luckily enough they can be produced two at a time
It gives a lot to the Terran gameplay in terms of space control, how it interacts with bio. But above all I think it's one of the few things in sc2 which allows comebacks, it rewards skill and all those "OOOOOH SHIII!" moments that are just way too few in sc2.
This doesn't mean I don't hate it when a Terran randomly boosts into my mineral lines and all my shit dies though.
I suppose that's where I disagree. At least in TvZ. TvP I can't really comment on but in TvZ it feels like once you've made enough mines you've won. It doesn't take skill to burrow a unit that takes 1 second and then have it get a lucky hit. I think you move them to techlab and remove drilling claws and I'm okay with them as is, but it just feels like they've been made to be too good.
EDIT: My god you can barely tell what's bolded in the new format. Rito TL pls
they are definitely not "too good" vs Zerg, but they are INSANELY frustrating for both sides of the match up
I mean too good in both the balance sense and in the sense that they outclass most of terran's other units. Why build tanks when you can build mines? Why build thors when you can build mines? It feels like mines are too much of a one stop shop for terran with too negligible of a downside. They're fast enough to keep up, quick enough to burrow to defend themselves, hit ground and air, don't splash eachother. They're not BL/Infestor levels of too good, but imo they're far too good to have remained in the game this long without some kind of tweak
You don't build tanks because tanks suck : P Terrans do build Thors, marines, medivacs, marauders and all that other shit. They can easily lose you a game if you get bad hits because Zerg baits them out or snipes them or catches terran in a bad situation
Terrans do build more than just mines, but there are also terrans who build JUST mines from factories. Its completely viable to build marine/mine and nothing else. Hell we've seen exclusively mine/medivac work out. IMO that just shouldn't be the case
EPT
