The map pool for the qualifiers will be the Season 3 WCS/ladder map pool Cactus Valley Coda Bridgehead Dash and Terminal Iron Fortress Moonlight Madness Terraform
A map veto (removal and pick) system is used. The high seed (lower number) on the bracket chooses who starts. Players take it in removing maps until only one remains in a best of 1 or until only 3 maps remain in a best of 3. Then each player picks a map. Maps are played in order they are picked. The remaining map is played last.
On July 12 2015 11:57 Yhamm wrote: they announced the qualifier on july 13th and it's played 1 day earlier... they announced a bracket on eslgaming and it is not even used
chinese... they always do whatever they want :/
Simply, because ESL's website was GFWed from this year like Facebook, Twitter, Youtube and so on. (But IEM's website wasn't! ) Politics, I don't know about it.
Cyan and SaberAltoria (开局要打鸡儿盒饭) entered Asian Final. PS: SaberAltoria was very near to WCS points in 2015 Season 3 but he didn't keep the way of mech build and he lost to XiGua - GPL 2015 Season 2/Premier.
On July 13 2015 17:48 Edpayasugo wrote: I wish they wouldn't seed players, still excited for this.
I guess it makes sense to try and make the KR qualifier less spectacular than the Asian finals or the main event.
Same with the European ones though, it just promotes the same players attending, random qualifiers give a better chance for breakout but performances. but it's their money and their tournament so their rules 😊
On July 13 2015 18:19 AWalker9 wrote: Is there a reason hardly anyone signed up for this compared to normal or not?
Well for one it's the same date as Gfinity so you immediately lose a bunch of players. Actually wondering what Myungsik would do if he got through the Asian qualifier, he'd be qualified for both events.
Also maybe Code A and Proleague (starts next week acc. to Liquipedia) preparations. And maybe not everybody knew this was happening.
On July 13 2015 18:19 AWalker9 wrote: Is there a reason hardly anyone signed up for this compared to normal or not?
Well for one it's the same date as Gfinity so you immediately lose a bunch of players. Actually wondering what Myungsik would do if he got through the Asian qualifier, he'd be qualified for both events.
Also maybe Code A and Proleague (starts next week acc. to Liquipedia) preparations (no Jin Air players except Symbol and Check for example). And maybe not everybody knew this was happening.
Probably go to gamescom since ASUS doesnt pay for flights
On July 13 2015 22:42 Inflicted wrote: SKT & KT teamkill in first round and Zest gets PvP bracket luck again
He has to beat HerO, Classic, Dark/INno/Life and then one of Dream/soO/sOs/Stats/TY/Rain to qualify through the upper bracket... nobody got any bracket luck here.
Also I think this is the 2nd IEM qualifier in a row where TY and Stats immediately have to teamkill each other.
On July 13 2015 22:42 Inflicted wrote: SKT & KT teamkill in first round and Zest gets PvP bracket luck again
He has to beat HerO, Classic, Dark/INno/Life and then one of Dream/soO/sOs/Stats/TY/Rain to qualify through the upper bracket... nobody got any bracket luck here.
Also I think this is the 2nd IEM qualifier in a row where TY and Stats immediately have to teamkill each other.
He gets 2 freeish (Classic is still scary) rounds, so he avoids one or two scary opponents. Then again, half the players get a free round because of SEA/CN seeds
On July 14 2015 01:16 Kimb3r wrote: Why the hack do you seed players in a Qualifier? Just give all of them the same chance to qualify.. that sucks and ruins the scene!
they have been doing this for 4 years, look how ruined is the scene now!
wow soO is on a fucking roll. currently the scariest person in the world. asian finals bracket is pretty insane as well. lately it always feels like it's KT and SKT duking it out in these qualifiers. Unfortunately it's usually 3 SKTs in the semis
On July 14 2015 04:43 GumBa wrote: I want 2 SKT players to qualify badly but at the same time I'll be sad because I won't be at gamescom this year to meet em. #firstworldproblems
On July 14 2015 18:59 GumBa wrote: Rofl Dream is gonna have PTSD after the beating Dark and soO have been giving him recently
Pretty sure soO/Dark have the best zvt by far atm Best part is how different the two are.
Byul's ZvT is ugly but effective. He's also beaten Dream and Maru.
Yeah, Byul, soO and Dark (as well as an in-form Life) are the only zergs I'd give a chance against Dream in macro games. That doesn't mean that I'd favor any of them over him though.
On July 14 2015 18:59 GumBa wrote: Rofl Dream is gonna have PTSD after the beating Dark and soO have been giving him recently
Pretty sure soO/Dark have the best zvt by far atm Best part is how different the two are.
Byul's ZvT is ugly but effective. He's also beaten Dream and Maru.
Yeah, Byul, soO and Dark (as well as an in-form Life) are the only zergs I'd give a chance against Dream in macro games. That doesn't mean that I'd favor any of them over him though.
He really doesn't look that strong in zvt if you don't ignore his series vs life. He is kind of inconsitent about it.
On July 14 2015 18:59 GumBa wrote: Rofl Dream is gonna have PTSD after the beating Dark and soO have been giving him recently
Pretty sure soO/Dark have the best zvt by far atm Best part is how different the two are.
Byul's ZvT is ugly but effective. He's also beaten Dream and Maru.
Yeah, Byul, soO and Dark (as well as an in-form Life) are the only zergs I'd give a chance against Dream in macro games. That doesn't mean that I'd favor any of them over him though.
soO dumpstered him in Leifeng and then Dark followed up with 3-0 in Kespa Cup
On July 14 2015 19:48 GumBa wrote: TY is the new KT ace but the coaches still won't play him is my bet
Yep, I bet it's gonna be like this in the next round of PL Although Flash is doing a bit better now than a few months back at least. I hope TY and Flash do get shuffled around for PL rosters each week.
On July 14 2015 19:51 GumBa wrote: TY should join a pl team that will appreciate him. Like Prime.
I actually agree on this [I mean not on the Prime part ofc, we don't want YoDa 2.0], there's not enough room for him on KT now.
lolwut? Are you serious? There's enough room on SKT for Classic/Dream/soO/Dark/INno, but not enough on KT for Life/Zest/Stats/Flash/TY? He and Stats were rotating in and out in round 4, too :S
On July 14 2015 19:51 GumBa wrote: TY should join a pl team that will appreciate him. Like Prime.
I actually agree on this [I mean not on the Prime part ofc, we don't want YoDa 2.0], there's not enough room for him on KT now.
lolwut? Are you serious? There's enough room on SKT for Classic/Dream/soO/Dark/INno, but not enough on KT for Life/Zest/Stats/Flash/TY? He and Stats were rotating in and out in round 4, too :S
the fact that you rotate Stats and not anyone else already means that KT is not very liberal about fielding good players
On July 14 2015 19:51 GumBa wrote: TY should join a pl team that will appreciate him. Like Prime.
I actually agree on this [I mean not on the Prime part ofc, we don't want YoDa 2.0], there's not enough room for him on KT now.
lolwut? Are you serious? There's enough room on SKT for Classic/Dream/soO/Dark/INno, but not enough on KT for Life/Zest/Stats/Flash/TY? He and Stats were rotating in and out in round 4, too :S
On July 14 2015 19:51 GumBa wrote: TY should join a pl team that will appreciate him. Like Prime.
I actually agree on this [I mean not on the Prime part ofc, we don't want YoDa 2.0], there's not enough room for him on KT now.
lolwut? Are you serious? There's enough room on SKT for Classic/Dream/soO/Dark/INno, but not enough on KT for Life/Zest/Stats/Flash/TY? He and Stats were rotating in and out in round 4, too :S
On July 14 2015 19:51 GumBa wrote: TY should join a pl team that will appreciate him. Like Prime.
I actually agree on this [I mean not on the Prime part ofc, we don't want YoDa 2.0], there's not enough room for him on KT now.
lolwut? Are you serious? There's enough room on SKT for Classic/Dream/soO/Dark/INno, but not enough on KT for Life/Zest/Stats/Flash/TY? He and Stats were rotating in and out in round 4, too :S
On July 14 2015 19:51 GumBa wrote: TY should join a pl team that will appreciate him. Like Prime.
I actually agree on this [I mean not on the Prime part ofc, we don't want YoDa 2.0], there's not enough room for him on KT now.
lolwut? Are you serious? There's enough room on SKT for Classic/Dream/soO/Dark/INno, but not enough on KT for Life/Zest/Stats/Flash/TY? He and Stats were rotating in and out in round 4, too :S
KT rotate less than SKT though
what's with the new sig?
GOAT nation lost to JD and every French person I know has this
On July 14 2015 19:51 GumBa wrote: TY should join a pl team that will appreciate him. Like Prime.
I actually agree on this [I mean not on the Prime part ofc, we don't want YoDa 2.0], there's not enough room for him on KT now.
lolwut? Are you serious? There's enough room on SKT for Classic/Dream/soO/Dark/INno, but not enough on KT for Life/Zest/Stats/Flash/TY? He and Stats were rotating in and out in round 4, too :S
KT rotate less than SKT though
maybe that's due to the luxury problem of being far ahead. It's fine to rotate in a weaker player to give them experience then.
On July 14 2015 19:51 GumBa wrote: TY should join a pl team that will appreciate him. Like Prime.
I actually agree on this [I mean not on the Prime part ofc, we don't want YoDa 2.0], there's not enough room for him on KT now.
lolwut? Are you serious? There's enough room on SKT for Classic/Dream/soO/Dark/INno, but not enough on KT for Life/Zest/Stats/Flash/TY? He and Stats were rotating in and out in round 4, too :S
KT rotate less than SKT though
I think the coach should start rotating out Life more often tbh.
On July 14 2015 19:51 GumBa wrote: TY should join a pl team that will appreciate him. Like Prime.
I actually agree on this [I mean not on the Prime part ofc, we don't want YoDa 2.0], there's not enough room for him on KT now.
lolwut? Are you serious? There's enough room on SKT for Classic/Dream/soO/Dark/INno, but not enough on KT for Life/Zest/Stats/Flash/TY? He and Stats were rotating in and out in round 4, too :S
KT rotate less than SKT though
what's with the new sig?
GOAT nation lost to JD and every French person I know has this
On July 14 2015 19:51 GumBa wrote: TY should join a pl team that will appreciate him. Like Prime.
I actually agree on this [I mean not on the Prime part ofc, we don't want YoDa 2.0], there's not enough room for him on KT now.
lolwut? Are you serious? There's enough room on SKT for Classic/Dream/soO/Dark/INno, but not enough on KT for Life/Zest/Stats/Flash/TY? He and Stats were rotating in and out in round 4, too :S
KT rotate less than SKT though
maybe that's due to the luxury problem of being far ahead. It's fine to rotate in a weaker player to give them experience then.
On July 14 2015 19:51 GumBa wrote: TY should join a pl team that will appreciate him. Like Prime.
I actually agree on this [I mean not on the Prime part ofc, we don't want YoDa 2.0], there's not enough room for him on KT now.
lolwut? Are you serious? There's enough room on SKT for Classic/Dream/soO/Dark/INno, but not enough on KT for Life/Zest/Stats/Flash/TY? He and Stats were rotating in and out in round 4, too :S
KT rotate less than SKT though
what's with the new sig?
GOAT nation lost to JD and every French person I know has this
On July 14 2015 19:51 GumBa wrote: TY should join a pl team that will appreciate him. Like Prime.
I actually agree on this [I mean not on the Prime part ofc, we don't want YoDa 2.0], there's not enough room for him on KT now.
lolwut? Are you serious? There's enough room on SKT for Classic/Dream/soO/Dark/INno, but not enough on KT for Life/Zest/Stats/Flash/TY? He and Stats were rotating in and out in round 4, too :S
KT rotate less than SKT though
what's with the new sig?
GOAT nation lost to JD and every French person I know has this
On July 14 2015 19:51 GumBa wrote: TY should join a pl team that will appreciate him. Like Prime.
I actually agree on this [I mean not on the Prime part ofc, we don't want YoDa 2.0], there's not enough room for him on KT now.
lolwut? Are you serious? There's enough room on SKT for Classic/Dream/soO/Dark/INno, but not enough on KT for Life/Zest/Stats/Flash/TY? He and Stats were rotating in and out in round 4, too :S
KT is pretty monolithic when it comes to rotating players. Notice how for almost all of R3, SKT had either Dark or soO playing a match, not both in the same match. Can you imagine KT doing the same with Flash and TY or Zest and Stats for a whole round?
On July 14 2015 19:51 GumBa wrote: TY should join a pl team that will appreciate him. Like Prime.
I actually agree on this [I mean not on the Prime part ofc, we don't want YoDa 2.0], there's not enough room for him on KT now.
lolwut? Are you serious? There's enough room on SKT for Classic/Dream/soO/Dark/INno, but not enough on KT for Life/Zest/Stats/Flash/TY? He and Stats were rotating in and out in round 4, too :S
KT is pretty monolithic when it comes to rotating players. Notice how for almost all of R3, SKT had either Dark or soO playing a match, not both in the same match. Can you imagine KT doing the same with Flash and TY or Zest and Stats for a whole round?
If all players were in decent shape for once, it might happen. :S
On July 14 2015 19:51 GumBa wrote: TY should join a pl team that will appreciate him. Like Prime.
I actually agree on this [I mean not on the Prime part ofc, we don't want YoDa 2.0], there's not enough room for him on KT now.
lolwut? Are you serious? There's enough room on SKT for Classic/Dream/soO/Dark/INno, but not enough on KT for Life/Zest/Stats/Flash/TY? He and Stats were rotating in and out in round 4, too :S
KT is pretty monolithic when it comes to rotating players. Notice how for almost all of R3, SKT had either Dark or soO playing a match, not both in the same match. Can you imagine KT doing the same with Flash and TY or Zest and Stats for a whole round?
If all players were in decent shape for once, it might happen. :S
It's not even shape. I mean come one, SKT even made Sorry and mofo Impact play. Meanwhile I'm still waiting for Super or SpeeD to play
On July 14 2015 19:51 GumBa wrote: TY should join a pl team that will appreciate him. Like Prime.
I actually agree on this [I mean not on the Prime part ofc, we don't want YoDa 2.0], there's not enough room for him on KT now.
lolwut? Are you serious? There's enough room on SKT for Classic/Dream/soO/Dark/INno, but not enough on KT for Life/Zest/Stats/Flash/TY? He and Stats were rotating in and out in round 4, too :S
KT is pretty monolithic when it comes to rotating players. Notice how for almost all of R3, SKT had either Dark or soO playing a match, not both in the same match. Can you imagine KT doing the same with Flash and TY or Zest and Stats for a whole round?
If all players were in decent shape for once, it might happen. :S
It's not even shape. I mean come one, SKT even made Sorry and mofo Impact play. Meanwhile I'm still waiting for Super or SpeeD to play
Sorry has been in Code S this year and Impact has had results. SpeeD only has decent online results (and mostly vs Protoss), I can understand why they wouldn't field him.
The thing is, SKT is #1. KT was even on points with SBENU before round 3 because round 1 was hilariously bad. KT can barely allow themselves to rotate out their strongest members in the way SKT can. Even though I'd like them to mix it up more.
On July 14 2015 20:15 Ej_ wrote: INno 5 mules at once? Bad macro.
SLUMP SLUMP SLUMP
He's happy Terran is such an easy race and can do that sort of things. Can you imagine a Zerg injecting a hatch five times at once?
can you imagine the Protoss tears from 70 larvae on 4 bases?
actually that made me think of the importance of continually sniping small amounts of units to keep down the larvae count in PvZ. I've never really thought about that.
On July 14 2015 20:21 DarkLordOlli wrote: I think this was g2 btw, Pughy mentioned that Zest was 1-0
He thought Zest was 1-0 because he said "ty 2-0 win" and wanted a 2-0
He also knew they had played 1 game against each other before the Cactus Valley one but didn't know who won that. But since Cactus was game 2 he could infer the score was in fact 1-0 for Zest.
On July 14 2015 20:53 Shellshock wrote: remember when Life was a top player?
I remember the time he made MKP a laughing stock in his Royal Road run
yeah but I mean who didnt at some point. that's not really impressive. especially since he had to use infestor bl crutch to beat the only good player he faced in that run since he couldnt defend blue flame hellions with his super elite godly ling control
I mean even miniraser has made MKP a laughing stock "Life ZvT is as good as Miniraser" - Ej_ 2015
On July 14 2015 21:13 DarkLordOlli wrote: Yay stupid maps ;(
Come on, Zest fucked up that defense about as much as he could have fucked it up.
He was dead from the start of it, you don't hold a 7 roach all in off a gold base with a gateway/stargate build. Especially not when your wall is out of overcharge range.
But gold base zerg does whatever they want and you can't really scout them. The only thing you CAN scout is their natural timing.
On July 14 2015 21:13 DarkLordOlli wrote: Yay stupid maps ;(
Come on, Zest fucked up that defense about as much as he could have fucked it up.
He was dead from the start of it, you don't hold a 7 roach all ins off a gold base with a gateway/stargate build. Especially not when your wall is out of overcharge range.
yay stupid builds. The forge into stargate should fare better vs this right? Btw did you get a proxy hatch on the highground third on this map when you laddered? 1 creep tumor and spines can hit your wall.
On July 14 2015 21:13 DarkLordOlli wrote: Yay stupid maps ;(
Come on, Zest fucked up that defense about as much as he could have fucked it up.
He was dead from the start of it, you don't hold a 7 roach all ins off a gold base with a gateway/stargate build. Especially not when your wall is out of overcharge range.
yay stupid builds. The forge into stargate should fare better vs this right? Btw did you get a proxy hatch on the highground third on this map when you laddered? 1 creep tumor and spines can hit your wall.
Yeah, you need a forge to hold roach all ins in most scenarios. If it gets past the wall, you're dead.
On July 14 2015 19:45 DarkLordOlli wrote: Zest does love his IEM qualifiers
Losing to Dark ZvP? ^^
Haha! You're smart in retrospect aren't you? Very impressive.
I was talking about how he's qualified through them 3 or 4 times already and always gets to later stages.
No, no sorry for taking it wrong! I wasn't here the last few hours and when I clicked on the last posts I read before I went afk this one was one of them and I just found it funny!
On July 14 2015 22:15 Inflicted wrote: holy shit soO is a god
Seriously? TY was doing something else at the time, he stimmed his units and ran forward into banes, 0 splits. If that hadn't happened soO would be fucked.
Shoulda just killed soO after killing the 3rd tho.
On July 14 2015 22:15 Inflicted wrote: holy shit soO is a god
Seriously? TY was doing something else at the time, he stimmed his units and ran forward into banes, 0 splits. If that hadn't happened soO would be fucked.
That's what happens if you play terran, a fight without any micro = dead
On July 14 2015 22:15 Inflicted wrote: holy shit soO is a god
Seriously? TY was doing something else at the time, he stimmed his units and ran forward into banes, 0 splits. If that hadn't happened soO would be fucked.
If SoO hadn't forgot Baneling speed, TY would've been fucked. I can play that game too...
On July 14 2015 22:15 Inflicted wrote: holy shit soO is a god
Seriously? TY was doing something else at the time, he stimmed his units and ran forward into banes, 0 splits. If that hadn't happened soO would be fucked.
TY coach told him to stop doing flash stuff and sink back into the shadows so they can use him in pl playoffs. Else he will lose his powers of doing builds that shouldn't work every game.
On July 14 2015 22:15 Inflicted wrote: holy shit soO is a god
Seriously? TY was doing something else at the time, he stimmed his units and ran forward into banes, 0 splits. If that hadn't happened soO would be fucked.
That's what happens if you play terran, a fight without any micro = dead
On July 14 2015 22:15 Inflicted wrote: holy shit soO is a god
Seriously? TY was doing something else at the time, he stimmed his units and ran forward into banes, 0 splits. If that hadn't happened soO would be fucked.
If SoO hadn't forgot Baneling speed, TY would've been fucked. I can play that game too...
If soO would play a real race he would be fucked, hehe haha hihi
On July 14 2015 22:15 Inflicted wrote: holy shit soO is a god
Seriously? TY was doing something else at the time, he stimmed his units and ran forward into banes, 0 splits. If that hadn't happened soO would be fucked.
That's what happens if you play terran, a fight without any micro = dead
Yeah but TY not microing doesn't make soO a god.
Nah i agree with you, i am just saying that terran absolutely has to micro every engagement, zerg is much more a move I am just angry :D
On July 14 2015 22:15 Inflicted wrote: holy shit soO is a god
Seriously? TY was doing something else at the time, he stimmed his units and ran forward into banes, 0 splits. If that hadn't happened soO would be fucked.
If SoO hadn't forgot Baneling speed, TY would've been fucked. I can play that game too...
If soO would play a real race he would be fucked, hehe haha hihi
On July 14 2015 22:15 Inflicted wrote: holy shit soO is a god
Seriously? TY was doing something else at the time, he stimmed his units and ran forward into banes, 0 splits. If that hadn't happened soO would be fucked.
If SoO hadn't forgot Baneling speed, TY would've been fucked. I can play that game too...
That's bullshit. If soO hadn't forgot baneling speed he wouldn't have lost his 3rd, but TY wouldn't have been dead.
On July 14 2015 22:15 Inflicted wrote: holy shit soO is a god
Seriously? TY was doing something else at the time, he stimmed his units and ran forward into banes, 0 splits. If that hadn't happened soO would be fucked.
If SoO hadn't forgot Baneling speed, TY would've been fucked. I can play that game too...
If soO would play a real race he would be fucked, hehe haha hihi
Yeah, classic "Terran is the hardest race to play and Terran players are the best players of the game" argument.
On July 14 2015 22:15 Inflicted wrote: holy shit soO is a god
Seriously? TY was doing something else at the time, he stimmed his units and ran forward into banes, 0 splits. If that hadn't happened soO would be fucked.
If SoO hadn't forgot Baneling speed, TY would've been fucked. I can play that game too...
If soO would play a real race he would be fucked, hehe haha hihi
Yeah, classic "Terran is the hardest race to play and Terran players are the best players of the game" argument.
On July 14 2015 22:15 Inflicted wrote: holy shit soO is a god
Seriously? TY was doing something else at the time, he stimmed his units and ran forward into banes, 0 splits. If that hadn't happened soO would be fucked.
If SoO hadn't forgot Baneling speed, TY would've been fucked. I can play that game too...
That's bullshit. If soO hadn't forgot baneling speed he wouldn't have lost his 3rd, but TY wouldn't have been dead.
I was trying to say that it is pretty pointless to argue about "what-ifs". Both players made mistakes, if they didn't we would have a totally different game.
On July 14 2015 22:15 Inflicted wrote: holy shit soO is a god
Seriously? TY was doing something else at the time, he stimmed his units and ran forward into banes, 0 splits. If that hadn't happened soO would be fucked.
That's what happens if you play terran, a fight without any micro = dead
Yeah but TY not microing doesn't make soO a god.
Meh it was random blunders like those that stop him from being a top player You can also say that soO exploited that with the couter attack to hit the exact moment when TY looked awa, both are valid views so there isn't too much point to argue about it. Personally I think TY is a bit of a dumbass and that soO played that game very poorly
On July 14 2015 22:15 Inflicted wrote: holy shit soO is a god
Seriously? TY was doing something else at the time, he stimmed his units and ran forward into banes, 0 splits. If that hadn't happened soO would be fucked.
If SoO hadn't forgot Baneling speed, TY would've been fucked. I can play that game too...
If soO would play a real race he would be fucked, hehe haha hihi
Yeah, classic "Terran is the hardest race to play and Terran players are the best players of the game" argument.
On July 14 2015 22:15 Inflicted wrote: holy shit soO is a god
Seriously? TY was doing something else at the time, he stimmed his units and ran forward into banes, 0 splits. If that hadn't happened soO would be fucked.
If SoO hadn't forgot Baneling speed, TY would've been fucked. I can play that game too...
If soO would play a real race he would be fucked, hehe haha hihi
Yeah, classic "Terran is the hardest race to play and Terran players are the best players of the game" argument.
I am not completely serious, but yeah terran is the race with the most potential and with the highest skill floor at pro level i think
On July 14 2015 22:15 Inflicted wrote: holy shit soO is a god
Seriously? TY was doing something else at the time, he stimmed his units and ran forward into banes, 0 splits. If that hadn't happened soO would be fucked.
That's what happens if you play terran, a fight without any micro = dead
Yeah but TY not microing doesn't make soO a god.
Meh it was random blunders like those that stop him from being a top player You can also say that soO exploited that with the couter attack to hit the exact moment when TY looked awa, both are valid views so there isn't too much point to argue about it. Personally I think TY is a bit of a dumbass and that soO played that game very poorly
This is completely right i think, it's so disppointing to see TY do the same mistakes every single time when he should be the chosen one :D
On July 14 2015 22:15 Inflicted wrote: holy shit soO is a god
Seriously? TY was doing something else at the time, he stimmed his units and ran forward into banes, 0 splits. If that hadn't happened soO would be fucked.
That's what happens if you play terran, a fight without any micro = dead
Yeah but TY not microing doesn't make soO a god.
Nah i agree with you, i am just saying that terran absolutely has to micro every engagement, zerg is much more a move I am just angry :D
I clearly remember the last time I a-moved into a biomine Terran with ling/bane/muta. I think less than 10 marines died, while my army supply went from 120 to ~10.
On July 14 2015 22:15 Inflicted wrote: holy shit soO is a god
Seriously? TY was doing something else at the time, he stimmed his units and ran forward into banes, 0 splits. If that hadn't happened soO would be fucked.
If SoO hadn't forgot Baneling speed, TY would've been fucked. I can play that game too...
If soO would play a real race he would be fucked, hehe haha hihi
Yeah, classic "Terran is the hardest race to play and Terran players are the best players of the game" argument.
Well that's obvious. The biggest proof of how hard terran is that every terran has a game vs protoss on vod where they are 3 base vs 2 base 60 supply ahead and decide to doom drop into 12 cannons and lose everything. It's because of how hard it is to micro and macro at the same time as terran so they don't have any brain power left to think.
On July 14 2015 22:15 Inflicted wrote: holy shit soO is a god
Seriously? TY was doing something else at the time, he stimmed his units and ran forward into banes, 0 splits. If that hadn't happened soO would be fucked.
That's what happens if you play terran, a fight without any micro = dead
Yeah but TY not microing doesn't make soO a god.
Nah i agree with you, i am just saying that terran absolutely has to micro every engagement, zerg is much more a move I am just angry :D
I clearly remember the last time I a-moved into a biomine Terran with ling/bane/muta. I think less than 10 marines died, while my army supply went from 120 to ~10.
Your a move is shit then Like you can just position your whole army so that you don't actually need to micro past move commanding the banes and microing the mutas not to die to a thor shot
On July 14 2015 22:15 Inflicted wrote: holy shit soO is a god
Seriously? TY was doing something else at the time, he stimmed his units and ran forward into banes, 0 splits. If that hadn't happened soO would be fucked.
That's what happens if you play terran, a fight without any micro = dead
Yeah but TY not microing doesn't make soO a god.
Nah i agree with you, i am just saying that terran absolutely has to micro every engagement, zerg is much more a move I am just angry :D
I clearly remember the last time I a-moved into a biomine Terran with ling/bane/muta. I think less than 10 marines died, while my army supply went from 120 to ~10.
ah cmon, i am not saying that microing in these situations won't change the outcome for zerg, but terran HAS TO micro every single time against banelings, if there are like 4 mines zegr couldn't care less (unless the terran gets the random godlike mine hit)
You also could look at it the other way though, engagements are mostly decided by how well the terran splits his stuff (if we assume similar macro)
On July 14 2015 22:15 Inflicted wrote: holy shit soO is a god
Seriously? TY was doing something else at the time, he stimmed his units and ran forward into banes, 0 splits. If that hadn't happened soO would be fucked.
If SoO hadn't forgot Baneling speed, TY would've been fucked. I can play that game too...
If soO would play a real race he would be fucked, hehe haha hihi
Yeah, classic "Terran is the hardest race to play and Terran players are the best players of the game" argument.
I am not completely serious, but yeah terran is the race with the most potential and with the highest skill floor at pro level i think
I think zerg is stronger with extremely refined mechanics. Think about a zerg that almost never misses creep/inject cycles or take serious damage from harrass.
On July 14 2015 22:15 Inflicted wrote: holy shit soO is a god
Seriously? TY was doing something else at the time, he stimmed his units and ran forward into banes, 0 splits. If that hadn't happened soO would be fucked.
That's what happens if you play terran, a fight without any micro = dead
Yeah but TY not microing doesn't make soO a god.
Nah i agree with you, i am just saying that terran absolutely has to micro every engagement, zerg is much more a move I am just angry :D
I clearly remember the last time I a-moved into a biomine Terran with ling/bane/muta. I think less than 10 marines died, while my army supply went from 120 to ~10.
ah cmon, i am not saying that microing in these situations isn't important for zerg, but terran HAS TO micro every single time against banelings, if there are like 4 mines zegr couldn't care less (unless the terran gets the random godlike mine hit)
You also could look at it the other way though, engagements are mostly decided by how well the terran splits his stuff (if we assume similar macro)
4 mines can kill a maxed army if it's bunched but it takes very little micro to avoid that. I more or less agree with you. There is far more to a zvt engage than how well a terran can split however.
On July 14 2015 22:15 Inflicted wrote: holy shit soO is a god
Seriously? TY was doing something else at the time, he stimmed his units and ran forward into banes, 0 splits. If that hadn't happened soO would be fucked.
That's what happens if you play terran, a fight without any micro = dead
Yeah but TY not microing doesn't make soO a god.
Nah i agree with you, i am just saying that terran absolutely has to micro every engagement, zerg is much more a move I am just angry :D
I clearly remember the last time I a-moved into a biomine Terran with ling/bane/muta. I think less than 10 marines died, while my army supply went from 120 to ~10.
ah cmon, i am not saying that microing in these situations isn't important for zerg, but terran HAS TO micro every single time against banelings, if there are like 4 mines zegr couldn't care less (unless the terran gets the random godlike mine hit)
You also could look at it the other way though, engagements are mostly decided by how well the terran splits his stuff (if we assume similar macro)
4 mines can kill a maxed army if it's bunched but it takes very little micro to avoid that. I more or less agree with you. There is far more to a zvt engage than how well a terran can split however.
IMHO the hard part of ZvT is macro. You need to keep injecting during your defense of the parade push or you just gonna die. As long as your injects are top notch (like soO's) you can take fights a bit recklessly
On July 14 2015 22:15 Inflicted wrote: holy shit soO is a god
Seriously? TY was doing something else at the time, he stimmed his units and ran forward into banes, 0 splits. If that hadn't happened soO would be fucked.
That's what happens if you play terran, a fight without any micro = dead
Yeah but TY not microing doesn't make soO a god.
Nah i agree with you, i am just saying that terran absolutely has to micro every engagement, zerg is much more a move I am just angry :D
I clearly remember the last time I a-moved into a biomine Terran with ling/bane/muta. I think less than 10 marines died, while my army supply went from 120 to ~10.
ah cmon, i am not saying that microing in these situations isn't important for zerg, but terran HAS TO micro every single time against banelings, if there are like 4 mines zegr couldn't care less (unless the terran gets the random godlike mine hit)
You also could look at it the other way though, engagements are mostly decided by how well the terran splits his stuff (if we assume similar macro)
4 mines can kill a maxed army if it's bunched but it takes very little micro to avoid that. I more or less agree with you. There is far more to a zvt engage than how well a terran can split however.
IMHO the hard part of ZvT is macro. You need to keep injecting during your defense of the parade push or you just gonna die. As long as your injects are top notch (like soO's) you can take fights a bit recklessly
True it's not a good idea to focus on micro too much. But it only takes a few sec to avoid a big mine hit.
On July 14 2015 22:15 Inflicted wrote: holy shit soO is a god
Seriously? TY was doing something else at the time, he stimmed his units and ran forward into banes, 0 splits. If that hadn't happened soO would be fucked.
That's what happens if you play terran, a fight without any micro = dead
Yeah but TY not microing doesn't make soO a god.
Nah i agree with you, i am just saying that terran absolutely has to micro every engagement, zerg is much more a move I am just angry :D
I clearly remember the last time I a-moved into a biomine Terran with ling/bane/muta. I think less than 10 marines died, while my army supply went from 120 to ~10.
ah cmon, i am not saying that microing in these situations isn't important for zerg, but terran HAS TO micro every single time against banelings, if there are like 4 mines zegr couldn't care less (unless the terran gets the random godlike mine hit)
You also could look at it the other way though, engagements are mostly decided by how well the terran splits his stuff (if we assume similar macro)
4 mines can kill a maxed army if it's bunched but it takes very little micro to avoid that. I more or less agree with you. There is far more to a zvt engage than how well a terran can split however.
Yeah sure, it's just the most obvious example i think. I feel like most Zerg engagements aren't really decided by godlike micro, it's more about having the macro to have these 40 banelings so terran simply cannot be cost efficient there. I liked the state where mutas were used to snipe mines etc, but that's not really happenign anymore either i think, if anythign mutas are used in big muta balls to snipe bases. Maybe i am just too cinical now though, could be the case, i just feel the passion leaving my body tbh
On July 14 2015 22:15 Inflicted wrote: holy shit soO is a god
Seriously? TY was doing something else at the time, he stimmed his units and ran forward into banes, 0 splits. If that hadn't happened soO would be fucked.
That's what happens if you play terran, a fight without any micro = dead
Yeah but TY not microing doesn't make soO a god.
Nah i agree with you, i am just saying that terran absolutely has to micro every engagement, zerg is much more a move I am just angry :D
I clearly remember the last time I a-moved into a biomine Terran with ling/bane/muta. I think less than 10 marines died, while my army supply went from 120 to ~10.
ah cmon, i am not saying that microing in these situations isn't important for zerg, but terran HAS TO micro every single time against banelings, if there are like 4 mines zegr couldn't care less (unless the terran gets the random godlike mine hit)
You also could look at it the other way though, engagements are mostly decided by how well the terran splits his stuff (if we assume similar macro)
4 mines can kill a maxed army if it's bunched but it takes very little micro to avoid that. I more or less agree with you. There is far more to a zvt engage than how well a terran can split however.
Yeah sure, it's just the most obvious example i think. I feel like most Zerg engagements aren't really decided by godlike micro, it's more about having the macro to have these 40 banelings so terran simply cannot be cost efficient there. I liked the state where mutas were used to snipe mines etc, but that's not really happenign anymore either i think, if anythign mutas are used in big muta balls to snipe bases. Maybe i am just too cinical now though, could be the case, i just feel the passion leaving my body tbh
On July 14 2015 22:15 Inflicted wrote: holy shit soO is a god
Seriously? TY was doing something else at the time, he stimmed his units and ran forward into banes, 0 splits. If that hadn't happened soO would be fucked.
That's what happens if you play terran, a fight without any micro = dead
Yeah but TY not microing doesn't make soO a god.
Nah i agree with you, i am just saying that terran absolutely has to micro every engagement, zerg is much more a move I am just angry :D
I clearly remember the last time I a-moved into a biomine Terran with ling/bane/muta. I think less than 10 marines died, while my army supply went from 120 to ~10.
ah cmon, i am not saying that microing in these situations isn't important for zerg, but terran HAS TO micro every single time against banelings, if there are like 4 mines zegr couldn't care less (unless the terran gets the random godlike mine hit)
You also could look at it the other way though, engagements are mostly decided by how well the terran splits his stuff (if we assume similar macro)
4 mines can kill a maxed army if it's bunched but it takes very little micro to avoid that. I more or less agree with you. There is far more to a zvt engage than how well a terran can split however.
Yeah sure, it's just the most obvious example i think. I feel like most Zerg engagements aren't really decided by godlike micro, it's more about having the macro to have these 40 banelings so terran simply cannot be cost efficient there. I liked the state where mutas were used to snipe mines etc, but that's not really happenign anymore either i think, if anythign mutas are used in big muta balls to snipe bases. Maybe i am just too cinical now though, could be the case, i just feel the passion leaving my body tbh
That's called getting older :D
Huh i don't know, i am still excited about other esports out there
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