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Cut down on the balance/design whining please.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55571 Posts
March 14 2015 22:12 GMT
#4981
On March 15 2015 07:11 KrazyTrumpet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2015 07:09 Rollora wrote:
On March 15 2015 07:02 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 15 2015 07:02 Rollora wrote:
On March 15 2015 06:56 Solar424 wrote:
Remember when everyone hated Terran

TvT was never that boring.
Yeah there were LOTS AND LOTS of TvTs but they were often exciting and back and forth.
I also remember Taeja vs Flash as one of the best TvTs 2-3 years back, Flash still being new but it was a great Macro TvT on... Whirlwhind IIRC


watching tanks siege, unsiege then siege again is boring as fuck.

tvt used to be terrible

you are wrong dude, one misstep and you can be dead. Also there isn't only the tankline you can always send out dropships to pull the opponent back and so on.
TvT was never just one thing going on (like PvP or ZvZ) but several. I think you missed the great fun about TvT then.


I think you (and most people, tbh) have a vastly higher opinion of TvT than it deserves. It is generally incredibly boring and takes way longer than it needs to zzzzzzzzz

Current meta TvT lasts like 12 minutes before someone dies to a doom drop <.<.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Rollora
Profile Joined February 2012
2450 Posts
March 14 2015 22:12 GMT
#4982
On March 15 2015 07:07 Deathstar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2015 07:06 Lexender wrote:
On March 15 2015 07:02 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 15 2015 07:02 Rollora wrote:
On March 15 2015 06:56 Solar424 wrote:
Remember when everyone hated Terran

TvT was never that boring.
Yeah there were LOTS AND LOTS of TvTs but they were often exciting and back and forth.
I also remember Taeja vs Flash as one of the best TvTs 2-3 years back, Flash still being new but it was a great Macro TvT on... Whirlwhind IIRC


watching tanks siege, unsiege then siege again is boring as fuck.

tvt used to be terrible


I understand the hate for mirrors, but you have to agree siege+unsiege its somewhat better than colossus vs colossus


PvP is most skilled, entertaining, and fun match up

Yeah, A-Move vs A-Move and the only advantage is the better army composition.
Not even storms or something is casted, although they would deal a lot of damage to that (opponents) ball.
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28524 Posts
March 14 2015 22:12 GMT
#4983
On March 15 2015 07:12 Makro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2015 07:09 Penev wrote:
On March 15 2015 07:07 Deathstar wrote:
On March 15 2015 07:06 Lexender wrote:
On March 15 2015 07:02 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 15 2015 07:02 Rollora wrote:
On March 15 2015 06:56 Solar424 wrote:
Remember when everyone hated Terran

TvT was never that boring.
Yeah there were LOTS AND LOTS of TvTs but they were often exciting and back and forth.
I also remember Taeja vs Flash as one of the best TvTs 2-3 years back, Flash still being new but it was a great Macro TvT on... Whirlwhind IIRC


watching tanks siege, unsiege then siege again is boring as fuck.

tvt used to be terrible


I understand the hate for mirrors, but you have to agree siege+unsiege its somewhat better than colossus vs colossus


PvP is most skilled, entertaining, and fun match up

literally facts


honestly even as a terran fellow and supporter of TvT, when played by two world class protoss, PvP is truly awesome

I know it can be, wasn't too serious
I Protoss winner, could it be?
Lexender
Profile Joined September 2013
Mexico2656 Posts
March 14 2015 22:12 GMT
#4984
On March 15 2015 07:11 KelsierSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2015 07:09 Rollora wrote:
On March 15 2015 07:02 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 15 2015 07:02 Rollora wrote:
On March 15 2015 06:56 Solar424 wrote:
Remember when everyone hated Terran

TvT was never that boring.
Yeah there were LOTS AND LOTS of TvTs but they were often exciting and back and forth.
I also remember Taeja vs Flash as one of the best TvTs 2-3 years back, Flash still being new but it was a great Macro TvT on... Whirlwhind IIRC


watching tanks siege, unsiege then siege again is boring as fuck.

tvt used to be terrible

you are wrong dude, one misstep and you can be dead. Also there isn't only the tankline you can always send out dropships to pull the opponent back and so on.
TvT was never just one thing going on (like PvP or ZvZ) but several. I think you missed the great fun about TvT then.


i'm wrong like 80 times a day.

i'm sure it was exciting to some people I just never got hard over it. It definitely got a lot more exciting later on.


Well everyone has its own opinion, but most people prefer TvT over PvP

(I remember when they make polls for the better MU's TvT is always high (along TvZ) and PvP is at the bottom
Deathstar
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
9150 Posts
March 14 2015 22:13 GMT
#4985
On March 15 2015 07:12 THM wrote:
Great tournament but I'm so disappointed that there's gonna be PvP finals tomorrow. I had invited friends over to watch but I don't think they'll want to come now ;(

PvP is highly action packed with lots of micro, like dota. Stuff will be happening everywhere. Def bring your friends over!
rip passion
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28524 Posts
March 14 2015 22:13 GMT
#4986
Oh god, gamers again
I Protoss winner, could it be?
KrazyTrumpet
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2520 Posts
March 14 2015 22:13 GMT
#4987
On March 15 2015 07:12 Rollora wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2015 07:07 Deathstar wrote:
On March 15 2015 07:06 Lexender wrote:
On March 15 2015 07:02 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 15 2015 07:02 Rollora wrote:
On March 15 2015 06:56 Solar424 wrote:
Remember when everyone hated Terran

TvT was never that boring.
Yeah there were LOTS AND LOTS of TvTs but they were often exciting and back and forth.
I also remember Taeja vs Flash as one of the best TvTs 2-3 years back, Flash still being new but it was a great Macro TvT on... Whirlwhind IIRC


watching tanks siege, unsiege then siege again is boring as fuck.

tvt used to be terrible


I understand the hate for mirrors, but you have to agree siege+unsiege its somewhat better than colossus vs colossus


PvP is most skilled, entertaining, and fun match up

Yeah, A-Move vs A-Move and the only advantage is the better army composition.
Not even storms or something is casted, although they would deal a lot of damage to that (opponents) ball.


If you really think PvP is just a-move vs a-move then you haven't ever understand a single Protoss game in your entire life. I hate when people spout this kind of ignorant bullshit. It just confirms to me that all the Protoss hate stems from ignorance.
www.twitch.tv/krazy Best Stream Quality NA @KClarkSC2
johnbongham
Profile Joined April 2014
451 Posts
March 14 2015 22:13 GMT
#4988
Are people seriously trying to argue that two players vying for position with meticulous micro is more boring than watching two deathballs slam into each other after after a complete turtlefest? If it even makes it that far.
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
March 14 2015 22:15 GMT
#4989
On March 15 2015 07:13 johnbongham wrote:
Are people seriously trying to argue that two players vying for position with meticulous micro is more boring than watching two deathballs slam into each other after after a complete turtlefest? If it even makes it that far.


glad to see you took an impartial look at both the matchups.
Zerg for Life
Rollora
Profile Joined February 2012
2450 Posts
March 14 2015 22:15 GMT
#4990
On March 15 2015 07:12 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2015 07:11 KrazyTrumpet wrote:
On March 15 2015 07:09 Rollora wrote:
On March 15 2015 07:02 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 15 2015 07:02 Rollora wrote:
On March 15 2015 06:56 Solar424 wrote:
Remember when everyone hated Terran

TvT was never that boring.
Yeah there were LOTS AND LOTS of TvTs but they were often exciting and back and forth.
I also remember Taeja vs Flash as one of the best TvTs 2-3 years back, Flash still being new but it was a great Macro TvT on... Whirlwhind IIRC


watching tanks siege, unsiege then siege again is boring as fuck.

tvt used to be terrible

you are wrong dude, one misstep and you can be dead. Also there isn't only the tankline you can always send out dropships to pull the opponent back and so on.
TvT was never just one thing going on (like PvP or ZvZ) but several. I think you missed the great fun about TvT then.


I think you (and most people, tbh) have a vastly higher opinion of TvT than it deserves. It is generally incredibly boring and takes way longer than it needs to zzzzzzzzz

Current meta TvT lasts like 12 minutes before someone dies to a doom drop <.<.

I don't like the current meta.
And TvT is anyways still the best mirror. There are simply more openers then any other mirror matchups and they can be more back and forth. I don't like the doom-dropping though.
Cause it sometimes wins the game for the player who was behind the whole game and just was pulling this one joker-card.
The player who gets more and more ahead over time through better trades should win. Not through ONE move.
That counts for every matchup.
KrazyTrumpet
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2520 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-14 22:15:40
March 14 2015 22:15 GMT
#4991
On March 15 2015 07:13 johnbongham wrote:
Are people seriously trying to argue that two players vying for position with meticulous micro is more boring than watching two deathballs slam into each other after after a complete turtlefest? If it even makes it that far.


PvP is way way more than just "two deathballs slamming into each other" and yes, I find it vastly more interesting than slightly repositioning your army 21349825908320459345 times a minute.
www.twitch.tv/krazy Best Stream Quality NA @KClarkSC2
TheBloodyDwarf
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
Finland7524 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-14 22:16:12
March 14 2015 22:15 GMT
#4992
I like PvP coz its so aggressive and action happening all the time.

And there is so much different builds and tactics you can use.
Fusilero: "I still can't believe he did that, like dude what the fuck there's fandom and then there's what he did like holy shit. I still see it when I close my eyes." <- reaction to the original drunk santa post which later caught on
rabbitmonzta
Profile Joined February 2015
New Zealand31 Posts
March 14 2015 22:15 GMT
#4993
Zest PvP is entertaining. His games in KESPA cup were amazing
Lexender
Profile Joined September 2013
Mexico2656 Posts
March 14 2015 22:15 GMT
#4994
On March 15 2015 07:13 KrazyTrumpet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2015 07:12 Rollora wrote:
On March 15 2015 07:07 Deathstar wrote:
On March 15 2015 07:06 Lexender wrote:
On March 15 2015 07:02 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 15 2015 07:02 Rollora wrote:
On March 15 2015 06:56 Solar424 wrote:
Remember when everyone hated Terran

TvT was never that boring.
Yeah there were LOTS AND LOTS of TvTs but they were often exciting and back and forth.
I also remember Taeja vs Flash as one of the best TvTs 2-3 years back, Flash still being new but it was a great Macro TvT on... Whirlwhind IIRC


watching tanks siege, unsiege then siege again is boring as fuck.

tvt used to be terrible


I understand the hate for mirrors, but you have to agree siege+unsiege its somewhat better than colossus vs colossus


PvP is most skilled, entertaining, and fun match up

Yeah, A-Move vs A-Move and the only advantage is the better army composition.
Not even storms or something is casted, although they would deal a lot of damage to that (opponents) ball.


If you really think PvP is just a-move vs a-move then you haven't ever understand a single Protoss game in your entire life. I hate when people spout this kind of ignorant bullshit. It just confirms to me that all the Protoss hate stems from ignorance.


Just like you do for TvT?
Larkin
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United Kingdom7161 Posts
March 14 2015 22:16 GMT
#4995
On March 15 2015 07:13 johnbongham wrote:
Are people seriously trying to argue that two players vying for position with meticulous micro is more boring than watching two deathballs slam into each other after after a complete turtlefest? If it even makes it that far.


I think this PvP will be decided in fast aggressive games tbh. Which can be pretty entertaining.
https://www.twitch.tv/ttalarkin - streams random stuff, high level teamleague, maybe even heroleague
Ammanas
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Slovakia2166 Posts
March 14 2015 22:16 GMT
#4996
On March 15 2015 07:13 johnbongham wrote:
Are people seriously trying to argue that two players vying for position with meticulous micro is more boring than watching two deathballs slam into each other after after a complete turtlefest? If it even makes it that far.

Now I am c onfused, which of these is PvP and which is TvT? (but yeah, current TvT is much much better then TvT in WoL).
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Estraizher
Profile Joined December 2014
289 Posts
March 14 2015 22:16 GMT
#4997
Might as well do a coinflip in the beginning of every game for the opening they chose on the finals
~
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
March 14 2015 22:16 GMT
#4998
PvP is pretty enjoyable imo.
Lot's of micro and action
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Rollora
Profile Joined February 2012
2450 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-14 22:17:40
March 14 2015 22:16 GMT
#4999
On March 15 2015 07:13 Deathstar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2015 07:12 THM wrote:
Great tournament but I'm so disappointed that there's gonna be PvP finals tomorrow. I had invited friends over to watch but I don't think they'll want to come now ;(

PvP is highly action packed with lots of micro, like dota. Stuff will be happening everywhere. Def bring your friends over!

Are you making fun of something?
"lots of micro"
:D Ever played a High-Level Tvs anything?
You wouldn't call "blink somewhere" lots of micro.

But even though you could be right -> the games will decide by who chooses the better Bullshit-Build. And you know it.
Not the better player overall.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55571 Posts
March 14 2015 22:16 GMT
#5000
On March 15 2015 07:15 Rollora wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2015 07:12 Elentos wrote:
On March 15 2015 07:11 KrazyTrumpet wrote:
On March 15 2015 07:09 Rollora wrote:
On March 15 2015 07:02 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 15 2015 07:02 Rollora wrote:
On March 15 2015 06:56 Solar424 wrote:
Remember when everyone hated Terran

TvT was never that boring.
Yeah there were LOTS AND LOTS of TvTs but they were often exciting and back and forth.
I also remember Taeja vs Flash as one of the best TvTs 2-3 years back, Flash still being new but it was a great Macro TvT on... Whirlwhind IIRC


watching tanks siege, unsiege then siege again is boring as fuck.

tvt used to be terrible

you are wrong dude, one misstep and you can be dead. Also there isn't only the tankline you can always send out dropships to pull the opponent back and so on.
TvT was never just one thing going on (like PvP or ZvZ) but several. I think you missed the great fun about TvT then.


I think you (and most people, tbh) have a vastly higher opinion of TvT than it deserves. It is generally incredibly boring and takes way longer than it needs to zzzzzzzzz

Current meta TvT lasts like 12 minutes before someone dies to a doom drop <.<.

I don't like the current meta.
And TvT is anyways still the best mirror. There are simply more openers then any other mirror matchups and they can be more back and forth. I don't like the doom-dropping though.
Cause it sometimes wins the game for the player who was behind the whole game and just was pulling this one joker-card.
The player who gets more and more ahead over time through better trades should win. Not through ONE move.
That counts for every matchup.

*shrug* TvT is only good when Flash plays it because he goes for the greed <.<.
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