• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 12:08
CET 18:08
KST 02:08
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
ByuL: The Forgotten Master of ZvT24Behind the Blue - Team Liquid History Book16Clem wins HomeStory Cup 289HomeStory Cup 28 - Info & Preview13Rongyi Cup S3 - Preview & Info8
Community News
Weekly Cups (Feb 9-15): herO doubles up2ACS replaced by "ASL Season Open" - Starts 21/0241LiuLi Cup: 2025 Grand Finals (Feb 10-16)46Weekly Cups (Feb 2-8): Classic, Solar, MaxPax win2Nexon's StarCraft game could be FPS, led by UMS maker16
StarCraft 2
General
Liquipedia WCS Portal Launched ByuL: The Forgotten Master of ZvT Kaelaris on the futue of SC2 and much more... How do you think the 5.0.15 balance patch (Oct 2025) for StarCraft II has affected the game? Nexon's StarCraft game could be FPS, led by UMS maker
Tourneys
PIG STY FESTIVAL 7.0! (19 Feb - 1 Mar) StarCraft Evolution League (SC Evo Biweekly) How do the "codes" work in GSL? Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament LiuLi Cup: 2025 Grand Finals (Feb 10-16)
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ? [A] Starcraft Sound Mod
External Content
Mutation # 513 Attrition Warfare The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 512 Overclocked Mutation # 511 Temple of Rebirth
Brood War
General
BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ [LIVE] [S:21] ASL Season Open Day 1 ACS replaced by "ASL Season Open" - Starts 21/02 Gypsy to Korea A cwal.gg Extension - Easily keep track of anyone
Tourneys
Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 1 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues Small VOD Thread 2.0 KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 1
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Zealot bombing is no longer popular? Fighting Spirit mining rates Current Meta
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread ZeroSpace Megathread Diablo 2 thread Path of Exile Battle Aces/David Kim RTS Megathread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia TL Mafia Community Thread Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread Ask and answer stupid questions here! Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books [Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion TL MMA Pick'em Pool 2013
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
ASL S21 English Commentary…
namkraft
Inside the Communication of …
TrAiDoS
My 2025 Magic: The Gathering…
DARKING
Life Update and thoughts.
FuDDx
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1829 users

[IEM Season IX] Katowice - Day 3 - Page 250

Forum Index > StarCraft 2 Tournaments
Post a Reply
Prev 1 248 249 250 251 252 260 Next
Cut down on the balance/design whining please.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55566 Posts
March 14 2015 22:12 GMT
#4981
On March 15 2015 07:11 KrazyTrumpet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2015 07:09 Rollora wrote:
On March 15 2015 07:02 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 15 2015 07:02 Rollora wrote:
On March 15 2015 06:56 Solar424 wrote:
Remember when everyone hated Terran

TvT was never that boring.
Yeah there were LOTS AND LOTS of TvTs but they were often exciting and back and forth.
I also remember Taeja vs Flash as one of the best TvTs 2-3 years back, Flash still being new but it was a great Macro TvT on... Whirlwhind IIRC


watching tanks siege, unsiege then siege again is boring as fuck.

tvt used to be terrible

you are wrong dude, one misstep and you can be dead. Also there isn't only the tankline you can always send out dropships to pull the opponent back and so on.
TvT was never just one thing going on (like PvP or ZvZ) but several. I think you missed the great fun about TvT then.


I think you (and most people, tbh) have a vastly higher opinion of TvT than it deserves. It is generally incredibly boring and takes way longer than it needs to zzzzzzzzz

Current meta TvT lasts like 12 minutes before someone dies to a doom drop <.<.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Rollora
Profile Joined February 2012
2450 Posts
March 14 2015 22:12 GMT
#4982
On March 15 2015 07:07 Deathstar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2015 07:06 Lexender wrote:
On March 15 2015 07:02 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 15 2015 07:02 Rollora wrote:
On March 15 2015 06:56 Solar424 wrote:
Remember when everyone hated Terran

TvT was never that boring.
Yeah there were LOTS AND LOTS of TvTs but they were often exciting and back and forth.
I also remember Taeja vs Flash as one of the best TvTs 2-3 years back, Flash still being new but it was a great Macro TvT on... Whirlwhind IIRC


watching tanks siege, unsiege then siege again is boring as fuck.

tvt used to be terrible


I understand the hate for mirrors, but you have to agree siege+unsiege its somewhat better than colossus vs colossus


PvP is most skilled, entertaining, and fun match up

Yeah, A-Move vs A-Move and the only advantage is the better army composition.
Not even storms or something is casted, although they would deal a lot of damage to that (opponents) ball.
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28512 Posts
March 14 2015 22:12 GMT
#4983
On March 15 2015 07:12 Makro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2015 07:09 Penev wrote:
On March 15 2015 07:07 Deathstar wrote:
On March 15 2015 07:06 Lexender wrote:
On March 15 2015 07:02 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 15 2015 07:02 Rollora wrote:
On March 15 2015 06:56 Solar424 wrote:
Remember when everyone hated Terran

TvT was never that boring.
Yeah there were LOTS AND LOTS of TvTs but they were often exciting and back and forth.
I also remember Taeja vs Flash as one of the best TvTs 2-3 years back, Flash still being new but it was a great Macro TvT on... Whirlwhind IIRC


watching tanks siege, unsiege then siege again is boring as fuck.

tvt used to be terrible


I understand the hate for mirrors, but you have to agree siege+unsiege its somewhat better than colossus vs colossus


PvP is most skilled, entertaining, and fun match up

literally facts


honestly even as a terran fellow and supporter of TvT, when played by two world class protoss, PvP is truly awesome

I know it can be, wasn't too serious
I Protoss winner, could it be?
Lexender
Profile Joined September 2013
Mexico2656 Posts
March 14 2015 22:12 GMT
#4984
On March 15 2015 07:11 KelsierSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2015 07:09 Rollora wrote:
On March 15 2015 07:02 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 15 2015 07:02 Rollora wrote:
On March 15 2015 06:56 Solar424 wrote:
Remember when everyone hated Terran

TvT was never that boring.
Yeah there were LOTS AND LOTS of TvTs but they were often exciting and back and forth.
I also remember Taeja vs Flash as one of the best TvTs 2-3 years back, Flash still being new but it was a great Macro TvT on... Whirlwhind IIRC


watching tanks siege, unsiege then siege again is boring as fuck.

tvt used to be terrible

you are wrong dude, one misstep and you can be dead. Also there isn't only the tankline you can always send out dropships to pull the opponent back and so on.
TvT was never just one thing going on (like PvP or ZvZ) but several. I think you missed the great fun about TvT then.


i'm wrong like 80 times a day.

i'm sure it was exciting to some people I just never got hard over it. It definitely got a lot more exciting later on.


Well everyone has its own opinion, but most people prefer TvT over PvP

(I remember when they make polls for the better MU's TvT is always high (along TvZ) and PvP is at the bottom
Deathstar
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
9150 Posts
March 14 2015 22:13 GMT
#4985
On March 15 2015 07:12 THM wrote:
Great tournament but I'm so disappointed that there's gonna be PvP finals tomorrow. I had invited friends over to watch but I don't think they'll want to come now ;(

PvP is highly action packed with lots of micro, like dota. Stuff will be happening everywhere. Def bring your friends over!
rip passion
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28512 Posts
March 14 2015 22:13 GMT
#4986
Oh god, gamers again
I Protoss winner, could it be?
KrazyTrumpet
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2520 Posts
March 14 2015 22:13 GMT
#4987
On March 15 2015 07:12 Rollora wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2015 07:07 Deathstar wrote:
On March 15 2015 07:06 Lexender wrote:
On March 15 2015 07:02 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 15 2015 07:02 Rollora wrote:
On March 15 2015 06:56 Solar424 wrote:
Remember when everyone hated Terran

TvT was never that boring.
Yeah there were LOTS AND LOTS of TvTs but they were often exciting and back and forth.
I also remember Taeja vs Flash as one of the best TvTs 2-3 years back, Flash still being new but it was a great Macro TvT on... Whirlwhind IIRC


watching tanks siege, unsiege then siege again is boring as fuck.

tvt used to be terrible


I understand the hate for mirrors, but you have to agree siege+unsiege its somewhat better than colossus vs colossus


PvP is most skilled, entertaining, and fun match up

Yeah, A-Move vs A-Move and the only advantage is the better army composition.
Not even storms or something is casted, although they would deal a lot of damage to that (opponents) ball.


If you really think PvP is just a-move vs a-move then you haven't ever understand a single Protoss game in your entire life. I hate when people spout this kind of ignorant bullshit. It just confirms to me that all the Protoss hate stems from ignorance.
www.twitch.tv/krazy Best Stream Quality NA @KClarkSC2
johnbongham
Profile Joined April 2014
451 Posts
March 14 2015 22:13 GMT
#4988
Are people seriously trying to argue that two players vying for position with meticulous micro is more boring than watching two deathballs slam into each other after after a complete turtlefest? If it even makes it that far.
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
March 14 2015 22:15 GMT
#4989
On March 15 2015 07:13 johnbongham wrote:
Are people seriously trying to argue that two players vying for position with meticulous micro is more boring than watching two deathballs slam into each other after after a complete turtlefest? If it even makes it that far.


glad to see you took an impartial look at both the matchups.
Zerg for Life
Rollora
Profile Joined February 2012
2450 Posts
March 14 2015 22:15 GMT
#4990
On March 15 2015 07:12 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2015 07:11 KrazyTrumpet wrote:
On March 15 2015 07:09 Rollora wrote:
On March 15 2015 07:02 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 15 2015 07:02 Rollora wrote:
On March 15 2015 06:56 Solar424 wrote:
Remember when everyone hated Terran

TvT was never that boring.
Yeah there were LOTS AND LOTS of TvTs but they were often exciting and back and forth.
I also remember Taeja vs Flash as one of the best TvTs 2-3 years back, Flash still being new but it was a great Macro TvT on... Whirlwhind IIRC


watching tanks siege, unsiege then siege again is boring as fuck.

tvt used to be terrible

you are wrong dude, one misstep and you can be dead. Also there isn't only the tankline you can always send out dropships to pull the opponent back and so on.
TvT was never just one thing going on (like PvP or ZvZ) but several. I think you missed the great fun about TvT then.


I think you (and most people, tbh) have a vastly higher opinion of TvT than it deserves. It is generally incredibly boring and takes way longer than it needs to zzzzzzzzz

Current meta TvT lasts like 12 minutes before someone dies to a doom drop <.<.

I don't like the current meta.
And TvT is anyways still the best mirror. There are simply more openers then any other mirror matchups and they can be more back and forth. I don't like the doom-dropping though.
Cause it sometimes wins the game for the player who was behind the whole game and just was pulling this one joker-card.
The player who gets more and more ahead over time through better trades should win. Not through ONE move.
That counts for every matchup.
KrazyTrumpet
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2520 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-14 22:15:40
March 14 2015 22:15 GMT
#4991
On March 15 2015 07:13 johnbongham wrote:
Are people seriously trying to argue that two players vying for position with meticulous micro is more boring than watching two deathballs slam into each other after after a complete turtlefest? If it even makes it that far.


PvP is way way more than just "two deathballs slamming into each other" and yes, I find it vastly more interesting than slightly repositioning your army 21349825908320459345 times a minute.
www.twitch.tv/krazy Best Stream Quality NA @KClarkSC2
TheBloodyDwarf
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
Finland7524 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-14 22:16:12
March 14 2015 22:15 GMT
#4992
I like PvP coz its so aggressive and action happening all the time.

And there is so much different builds and tactics you can use.
Fusilero: "I still can't believe he did that, like dude what the fuck there's fandom and then there's what he did like holy shit. I still see it when I close my eyes." <- reaction to the original drunk santa post which later caught on
rabbitmonzta
Profile Joined February 2015
New Zealand31 Posts
March 14 2015 22:15 GMT
#4993
Zest PvP is entertaining. His games in KESPA cup were amazing
Lexender
Profile Joined September 2013
Mexico2656 Posts
March 14 2015 22:15 GMT
#4994
On March 15 2015 07:13 KrazyTrumpet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2015 07:12 Rollora wrote:
On March 15 2015 07:07 Deathstar wrote:
On March 15 2015 07:06 Lexender wrote:
On March 15 2015 07:02 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 15 2015 07:02 Rollora wrote:
On March 15 2015 06:56 Solar424 wrote:
Remember when everyone hated Terran

TvT was never that boring.
Yeah there were LOTS AND LOTS of TvTs but they were often exciting and back and forth.
I also remember Taeja vs Flash as one of the best TvTs 2-3 years back, Flash still being new but it was a great Macro TvT on... Whirlwhind IIRC


watching tanks siege, unsiege then siege again is boring as fuck.

tvt used to be terrible


I understand the hate for mirrors, but you have to agree siege+unsiege its somewhat better than colossus vs colossus


PvP is most skilled, entertaining, and fun match up

Yeah, A-Move vs A-Move and the only advantage is the better army composition.
Not even storms or something is casted, although they would deal a lot of damage to that (opponents) ball.


If you really think PvP is just a-move vs a-move then you haven't ever understand a single Protoss game in your entire life. I hate when people spout this kind of ignorant bullshit. It just confirms to me that all the Protoss hate stems from ignorance.


Just like you do for TvT?
Larkin
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United Kingdom7161 Posts
March 14 2015 22:16 GMT
#4995
On March 15 2015 07:13 johnbongham wrote:
Are people seriously trying to argue that two players vying for position with meticulous micro is more boring than watching two deathballs slam into each other after after a complete turtlefest? If it even makes it that far.


I think this PvP will be decided in fast aggressive games tbh. Which can be pretty entertaining.
https://www.twitch.tv/ttalarkin - streams random stuff, high level teamleague, maybe even heroleague
Ammanas
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Slovakia2166 Posts
March 14 2015 22:16 GMT
#4996
On March 15 2015 07:13 johnbongham wrote:
Are people seriously trying to argue that two players vying for position with meticulous micro is more boring than watching two deathballs slam into each other after after a complete turtlefest? If it even makes it that far.

Now I am c onfused, which of these is PvP and which is TvT? (but yeah, current TvT is much much better then TvT in WoL).
JangBi forever <3 || Classic! herO! Rain! Zest! | Rogue! Hydra! Solar! | Fantasy! Cure! Reality! Sorry! Journey!
Estraizher
Profile Joined December 2014
289 Posts
March 14 2015 22:16 GMT
#4997
Might as well do a coinflip in the beginning of every game for the opening they chose on the finals
~
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
March 14 2015 22:16 GMT
#4998
PvP is pretty enjoyable imo.
Lot's of micro and action
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
Rollora
Profile Joined February 2012
2450 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-14 22:17:40
March 14 2015 22:16 GMT
#4999
On March 15 2015 07:13 Deathstar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2015 07:12 THM wrote:
Great tournament but I'm so disappointed that there's gonna be PvP finals tomorrow. I had invited friends over to watch but I don't think they'll want to come now ;(

PvP is highly action packed with lots of micro, like dota. Stuff will be happening everywhere. Def bring your friends over!

Are you making fun of something?
"lots of micro"
:D Ever played a High-Level Tvs anything?
You wouldn't call "blink somewhere" lots of micro.

But even though you could be right -> the games will decide by who chooses the better Bullshit-Build. And you know it.
Not the better player overall.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55566 Posts
March 14 2015 22:16 GMT
#5000
On March 15 2015 07:15 Rollora wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2015 07:12 Elentos wrote:
On March 15 2015 07:11 KrazyTrumpet wrote:
On March 15 2015 07:09 Rollora wrote:
On March 15 2015 07:02 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 15 2015 07:02 Rollora wrote:
On March 15 2015 06:56 Solar424 wrote:
Remember when everyone hated Terran

TvT was never that boring.
Yeah there were LOTS AND LOTS of TvTs but they were often exciting and back and forth.
I also remember Taeja vs Flash as one of the best TvTs 2-3 years back, Flash still being new but it was a great Macro TvT on... Whirlwhind IIRC


watching tanks siege, unsiege then siege again is boring as fuck.

tvt used to be terrible

you are wrong dude, one misstep and you can be dead. Also there isn't only the tankline you can always send out dropships to pull the opponent back and so on.
TvT was never just one thing going on (like PvP or ZvZ) but several. I think you missed the great fun about TvT then.


I think you (and most people, tbh) have a vastly higher opinion of TvT than it deserves. It is generally incredibly boring and takes way longer than it needs to zzzzzzzzz

Current meta TvT lasts like 12 minutes before someone dies to a doom drop <.<.

I don't like the current meta.
And TvT is anyways still the best mirror. There are simply more openers then any other mirror matchups and they can be more back and forth. I don't like the doom-dropping though.
Cause it sometimes wins the game for the player who was behind the whole game and just was pulling this one joker-card.
The player who gets more and more ahead over time through better trades should win. Not through ONE move.
That counts for every matchup.

*shrug* TvT is only good when Flash plays it because he goes for the greed <.<.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Prev 1 248 249 250 251 252 260 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
PSISTORM Gaming Misc
16:55
FSL s10 TeamLeague: ST vs POG
Freeedom22
Liquipedia
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
15:00
Bonus Cup #4
uThermal429
IndyStarCraft 256
Liquipedia
Epic.LAN
12:00
#47 - Day 2
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
uThermal 429
IndyStarCraft 256
BRAT_OK 72
goblin 27
Vindicta 21
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 30430
Sea 3213
Rain 2774
Horang2 1216
Hm[arnc] 519
firebathero 409
HiyA 345
Mini 285
Zeus 235
Hyun 98
[ Show more ]
Dewaltoss 83
Rock 34
JYJ 33
Shine 33
Movie 24
Noble 20
Sacsri 15
Dota 2
Gorgc5008
qojqva2183
canceldota55
Counter-Strike
fl0m5054
byalli410
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King158
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor573
Liquid`Hasu365
Trikslyr65
MindelVK12
Other Games
singsing2358
tarik_tv2337
Grubby1835
FrodaN1348
B2W.Neo297
Beastyqt277
ArmadaUGS188
Liquid`VortiX180
Hui .69
KnowMe37
Organizations
Counter-Strike
PGL64971
StarCraft 2
WardiTV1281
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 21 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH152
• HeavenSC 17
• Adnapsc2 17
• iHatsuTV 7
• Airneanach2
• Kozan
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• IndyKCrew
• sooper7s
• Migwel
• intothetv
• AfreecaTV YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
• Michael_bg 3
• Pr0nogo 2
• FirePhoenix2
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
League of Legends
• Jankos2079
• Shiphtur256
Other Games
• tFFMrPink 15
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
6h 52m
PiG Sty Festival
15h 52m
Serral vs YoungYakov
ByuN vs ShoWTimE
Sparkling Tuna Cup
16h 52m
Replay Cast
1d 6h
Replay Cast
1d 15h
Wardi Open
1d 18h
Monday Night Weeklies
1d 23h
Replay Cast
2 days
WardiTV Winter Champion…
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
[ Show More ]
WardiTV Winter Champion…
3 days
The PondCast
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
Korean StarCraft League
6 days
CranKy Ducklings
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Escore Tournament S1: King of Kings
LiuLi Cup: 2025 Grand Finals
Underdog Cup #3

Ongoing

KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 1
[S:21] ASL SEASON OPEN 1st Round Qualifier
WardiTV Winter 2026
PiG Sty Festival 7.0
Nations Cup 2026
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual
eXTREMESLAND 2025
SL Budapest Major 2025

Upcoming

Acropolis #4 - TS5
Jeongseon Sooper Cup
Spring Cup 2026: China & Korea Invitational
[S:21] ASL SEASON OPEN 2nd Round
[S:21] ASL SEASON OPEN 2nd Round Qualifier
Acropolis #4 - TS6
Acropolis #4
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
RSL Revival: Season 4
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
CCT Season 3 Global Finals
FISSURE Playground #3
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League Season 23
ESL Pro League Season 23
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.