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jekku
Profile Joined December 2011
Canada1640 Posts
February 14 2015 22:35 GMT
#81
I think Xigua and snute got this. Astrea might take a series though.
In the rear with the gear!
opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
February 14 2015 22:40 GMT
#82
On February 15 2015 03:30 Gojira621 wrote:
All the korean stuff starts at 4-5am for me so I barely get to watch it, but it seems like its only when NA events happen late at night for euros is when they come out in droves bitching and complaining about the time zones. Get over yourselves.


So when something stupid and bad happens to other people, you see it as a good thing because bad things happen to you and we should be even? That's really nice and friendly way of approaching things indeed!

They have made up this absurd "global" format out of the blue. It's definitely not better for the players (because it adds pointless travel) and now we see that it's not better for the viewers, because we Europeans get screwed from watching our favourite players, because it's apparently too much of a burden to play it on a fucking weekend during the day so that people on both sides of the pool are awake. So I am absolutely lost, for whom is this better? Why make a change that is worse for EVERYONE? It doesn't make any fucking sense. It's almost like Blizz/ESL are fed up with running the thing and they wish for it to finally die so that they don't have to bother anymore.

I am willing to skip work for GSL/NSSL - I am a lazy useless bum and I get away with that because nobody really cares if I come to work or not. I understand that it is necessary because it's on the completely oposite side of the world and mainly catered to local audience, with a significant live attendance on top of that. But I am not willing to turn my sleep schedule upside down because some idiot in ESL America decided that the major part of viewers is not important to him.
"Jeez, that's far from ideal." - Serral, the king of mild trashtalk
TL+ Member
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
February 14 2015 22:46 GMT
#83
TBF those times are good for all Chinese fans who want to watch Xigua
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
babobbyj
Profile Joined June 2013
636 Posts
February 14 2015 22:47 GMT
#84
On February 15 2015 07:40 opisska wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2015 03:30 Gojira621 wrote:
All the korean stuff starts at 4-5am for me so I barely get to watch it, but it seems like its only when NA events happen late at night for euros is when they come out in droves bitching and complaining about the time zones. Get over yourselves.


I am willing to skip work for GSL/NSSL - I am a lazy useless bum and I get away with that because nobody really cares if I come to work or not. I understand that it is necessary because it's on the completely oposite side of the world and mainly catered to local audience, with a significant live attendance on top of that. But I am not willing to turn my sleep schedule upside down because some idiot in ESL America decided that the major part of viewers is not important to him.


LoL, much sense, no.

You are willing to drop work cus of SC2 games, but you are not willing to tweak your sleep schedule for a few days?

Kind of funny....
Bad Ass Bobby Johnson, a.k.a. Valiante
Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17738 Posts
February 14 2015 22:48 GMT
#85
On February 15 2015 07:47 babobbyj wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2015 07:40 opisska wrote:
On February 15 2015 03:30 Gojira621 wrote:
All the korean stuff starts at 4-5am for me so I barely get to watch it, but it seems like its only when NA events happen late at night for euros is when they come out in droves bitching and complaining about the time zones. Get over yourselves.


I am willing to skip work for GSL/NSSL - I am a lazy useless bum and I get away with that because nobody really cares if I come to work or not. I understand that it is necessary because it's on the completely oposite side of the world and mainly catered to local audience, with a significant live attendance on top of that. But I am not willing to turn my sleep schedule upside down because some idiot in ESL America decided that the major part of viewers is not important to him.


LoL, much sense, no.

You are willing to drop work cus of SC2 games, but you are not willing to tweak your sleep schedule for a few days?

Kind of funny....

his point is still valid though, even if he personally can watch it, doesn't mean this is the best way
"Expert" mods4ever.com
Megiddosc
Profile Joined April 2011
United States966 Posts
February 14 2015 22:49 GMT
#86
Then don't watch. If you don't have the ability to stay up to watch some good Starcraft, then don't. You can watch the half that is catered to the European viewers. Can't really say there is anything unfair about a 50/50 split between NA and EU primetime. That's about as "fair" as it gets.

The complaining is amusing as someone who regularly has to alter my sleeping schedule to watch Starcraft though.
opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-14 22:51:33
February 14 2015 22:50 GMT
#87
On February 15 2015 07:46 Ej_ wrote:
TBF those times are good for all Chinese fans who want to watch Xigua


All twenty of them? Well, that was mean, but honestly, I am really curious about the numbers this will pull. Most of the potential WCS viewers are in Europe, I am afraid. Also, our Chinese friends could have had exactly that if they went for the original idea of "US/SEA etc... players in US, EU players in EU" at least for Ro32. But they for some reason couldn't ...


On February 15 2015 07:47 babobbyj wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2015 07:40 opisska wrote:
On February 15 2015 03:30 Gojira621 wrote:
All the korean stuff starts at 4-5am for me so I barely get to watch it, but it seems like its only when NA events happen late at night for euros is when they come out in droves bitching and complaining about the time zones. Get over yourselves.


I am willing to skip work for GSL/NSSL - I am a lazy useless bum and I get away with that because nobody really cares if I come to work or not. I understand that it is necessary because it's on the completely oposite side of the world and mainly catered to local audience, with a significant live attendance on top of that. But I am not willing to turn my sleep schedule upside down because some idiot in ESL America decided that the major part of viewers is not important to him.


LoL, much sense, no.

You are willing to drop work cus of SC2 games, but you are not willing to tweak your sleep schedule for a few days?

Kind of funny....


I value my health much more than physically going to a workplace in a given timeframe. How absurd!
"Jeez, that's far from ideal." - Serral, the king of mild trashtalk
TL+ Member
babobbyj
Profile Joined June 2013
636 Posts
February 14 2015 22:50 GMT
#88
On February 15 2015 07:48 Die4Ever wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2015 07:47 babobbyj wrote:
On February 15 2015 07:40 opisska wrote:
On February 15 2015 03:30 Gojira621 wrote:
All the korean stuff starts at 4-5am for me so I barely get to watch it, but it seems like its only when NA events happen late at night for euros is when they come out in droves bitching and complaining about the time zones. Get over yourselves.


I am willing to skip work for GSL/NSSL - I am a lazy useless bum and I get away with that because nobody really cares if I come to work or not. I understand that it is necessary because it's on the completely oposite side of the world and mainly catered to local audience, with a significant live attendance on top of that. But I am not willing to turn my sleep schedule upside down because some idiot in ESL America decided that the major part of viewers is not important to him.


LoL, much sense, no.

You are willing to drop work cus of SC2 games, but you are not willing to tweak your sleep schedule for a few days?

Kind of funny....

his point is still valid though, even if he personally can watch it, doesn't mean this is the best way


When they decided to go full global mode on this, there is no good way of doing it...
Bad Ass Bobby Johnson, a.k.a. Valiante
Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17738 Posts
February 14 2015 22:50 GMT
#89
On February 15 2015 07:49 Megiddosc wrote:
Then don't watch. If you don't have the ability to stay up to watch some good Starcraft, then don't. You can watch the half that is catered to the European viewers. Can't really say there is anything unfair about a 50/50 split between NA and EU primetime. That's about as "fair" as it gets.

The complaining is amusing as someone who regularly has to alter my sleeping schedule to watch Starcraft though.

I'd say a 100/100 or 90/90 "split" is better than a 50/50 split, AM and EU viewership is not mutually exclusive
"Expert" mods4ever.com
Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17738 Posts
February 14 2015 22:51 GMT
#90
On February 15 2015 07:50 babobbyj wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2015 07:48 Die4Ever wrote:
On February 15 2015 07:47 babobbyj wrote:
On February 15 2015 07:40 opisska wrote:
On February 15 2015 03:30 Gojira621 wrote:
All the korean stuff starts at 4-5am for me so I barely get to watch it, but it seems like its only when NA events happen late at night for euros is when they come out in droves bitching and complaining about the time zones. Get over yourselves.


I am willing to skip work for GSL/NSSL - I am a lazy useless bum and I get away with that because nobody really cares if I come to work or not. I understand that it is necessary because it's on the completely oposite side of the world and mainly catered to local audience, with a significant live attendance on top of that. But I am not willing to turn my sleep schedule upside down because some idiot in ESL America decided that the major part of viewers is not important to him.


LoL, much sense, no.

You are willing to drop work cus of SC2 games, but you are not willing to tweak your sleep schedule for a few days?

Kind of funny....

his point is still valid though, even if he personally can watch it, doesn't mean this is the best way


When they decided to go full global mode on this, there is no good way of doing it...

starting earlier just sounds better overall
"Expert" mods4ever.com
KingofdaHipHop
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
United States25602 Posts
February 14 2015 22:53 GMT
#91
i'm sorry but this commmunity is fucking hilarious. the majority asks for region locking so that's what we get and we get a unified wcs (because if they didn't combine it they would suck let's be real) and now they complain about the global aspect of the world championship series. i truly love the internet
Rain | herO | sOs | Dear | Neeb | ByuN | INnoVation | Dream | ForGG | Maru | ByuL | Golden | Solar | Soulkey | Scarlett!!!
babobbyj
Profile Joined June 2013
636 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-14 22:54:22
February 14 2015 22:53 GMT
#92
On February 15 2015 07:50 opisska wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2015 07:46 Ej_ wrote:
TBF those times are good for all Chinese fans who want to watch Xigua


All twenty of them? Well, that was mean, but honestly, I am really curious about the numbers this will pull. Most of the potential WCS viewers are in Europe, I am afraid. Also, our Chinese friends could have had exactly that if they went for the original idea of "US/SEA etc... players in US, EU players in EU" at least for Ro32. But they for some reason couldn't ...


Show nested quote +
On February 15 2015 07:47 babobbyj wrote:
On February 15 2015 07:40 opisska wrote:
On February 15 2015 03:30 Gojira621 wrote:
All the korean stuff starts at 4-5am for me so I barely get to watch it, but it seems like its only when NA events happen late at night for euros is when they come out in droves bitching and complaining about the time zones. Get over yourselves.


I am willing to skip work for GSL/NSSL - I am a lazy useless bum and I get away with that because nobody really cares if I come to work or not. I understand that it is necessary because it's on the completely oposite side of the world and mainly catered to local audience, with a significant live attendance on top of that. But I am not willing to turn my sleep schedule upside down because some idiot in ESL America decided that the major part of viewers is not important to him.


LoL, much sense, no.

You are willing to drop work cus of SC2 games, but you are not willing to tweak your sleep schedule for a few days?

Kind of funny....


I value my health much more than physically going to a workplace in a given timeframe. How absurd!


Your health? wtf... so if your health is so bad you cant work, thats a whole different discussion.
You said you were a bum, and that ppl at work didnt care if u showed or not, now you're saying its cus of your health...

EDIT: and frankly, that's between you and ur employer
Bad Ass Bobby Johnson, a.k.a. Valiante
KingofdaHipHop
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
United States25602 Posts
February 14 2015 22:55 GMT
#93
also to the guy who said no one in china watches, they always bring in huge viewership numbers
Rain | herO | sOs | Dear | Neeb | ByuN | INnoVation | Dream | ForGG | Maru | ByuL | Golden | Solar | Soulkey | Scarlett!!!
chipmonklord17
Profile Joined February 2011
United States11944 Posts
February 14 2015 22:55 GMT
#94
On February 15 2015 07:53 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
i'm sorry but this commmunity is fucking hilarious. the majority asks for region locking so that's what we get and we get a unified wcs (because if they didn't combine it they would suck let's be real) and now they complain about the global aspect of the world championship series. i truly love the internet


hey region locked wcs europe wouldn't have sucked. It would have been pretty awesome. Lots of really good europeans.

WCS AM however I'm not sure of
Megiddosc
Profile Joined April 2011
United States966 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-14 22:57:09
February 14 2015 22:55 GMT
#95
On February 15 2015 07:50 Die4Ever wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2015 07:49 Megiddosc wrote:
Then don't watch. If you don't have the ability to stay up to watch some good Starcraft, then don't. You can watch the half that is catered to the European viewers. Can't really say there is anything unfair about a 50/50 split between NA and EU primetime. That's about as "fair" as it gets.

The complaining is amusing as someone who regularly has to alter my sleeping schedule to watch Starcraft though.

I'd say a 100/100 or 90/90 "split" is better than a 50/50 split, AM and EU viewership is not mutually exclusive

I don't think you quite understand rudimentary mathematics.

A "100/100" and a "90/90" percentage split is not achievable.
Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17738 Posts
February 14 2015 22:55 GMT
#96
On February 15 2015 07:53 babobbyj wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2015 07:50 opisska wrote:
On February 15 2015 07:46 Ej_ wrote:
TBF those times are good for all Chinese fans who want to watch Xigua


All twenty of them? Well, that was mean, but honestly, I am really curious about the numbers this will pull. Most of the potential WCS viewers are in Europe, I am afraid. Also, our Chinese friends could have had exactly that if they went for the original idea of "US/SEA etc... players in US, EU players in EU" at least for Ro32. But they for some reason couldn't ...


On February 15 2015 07:47 babobbyj wrote:
On February 15 2015 07:40 opisska wrote:
On February 15 2015 03:30 Gojira621 wrote:
All the korean stuff starts at 4-5am for me so I barely get to watch it, but it seems like its only when NA events happen late at night for euros is when they come out in droves bitching and complaining about the time zones. Get over yourselves.


I am willing to skip work for GSL/NSSL - I am a lazy useless bum and I get away with that because nobody really cares if I come to work or not. I understand that it is necessary because it's on the completely oposite side of the world and mainly catered to local audience, with a significant live attendance on top of that. But I am not willing to turn my sleep schedule upside down because some idiot in ESL America decided that the major part of viewers is not important to him.


LoL, much sense, no.

You are willing to drop work cus of SC2 games, but you are not willing to tweak your sleep schedule for a few days?

Kind of funny....


I value my health much more than physically going to a workplace in a given timeframe. How absurd!


Your health? wtf... so if your health is so bad you cant work, thats a whole different discussion.
You said you were a bum, and that ppl at work didnt care if u showed or not, now you're saying its cus of your health...

EDIT: and frankly, that's between you and ur employer

if you guys are gonna keep discussing this, there's no point in focusing on personal anecdotes, it should be more about the viewerbase overall than just "lol, stop complaining, you can watch it"
"Expert" mods4ever.com
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
February 14 2015 22:56 GMT
#97
On February 15 2015 07:51 Die4Ever wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2015 07:50 babobbyj wrote:
On February 15 2015 07:48 Die4Ever wrote:
On February 15 2015 07:47 babobbyj wrote:
On February 15 2015 07:40 opisska wrote:
On February 15 2015 03:30 Gojira621 wrote:
All the korean stuff starts at 4-5am for me so I barely get to watch it, but it seems like its only when NA events happen late at night for euros is when they come out in droves bitching and complaining about the time zones. Get over yourselves.


I am willing to skip work for GSL/NSSL - I am a lazy useless bum and I get away with that because nobody really cares if I come to work or not. I understand that it is necessary because it's on the completely oposite side of the world and mainly catered to local audience, with a significant live attendance on top of that. But I am not willing to turn my sleep schedule upside down because some idiot in ESL America decided that the major part of viewers is not important to him.


LoL, much sense, no.

You are willing to drop work cus of SC2 games, but you are not willing to tweak your sleep schedule for a few days?

Kind of funny....

his point is still valid though, even if he personally can watch it, doesn't mean this is the best way


When they decided to go full global mode on this, there is no good way of doing it...

starting earlier just sounds better overall

yeah, unless there are many chinese viewers. will not watch (much) either. I would if it was earlier, but none of these players are hyping me up enough to stay up till like 4-5 am
Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17738 Posts
February 14 2015 22:56 GMT
#98
On February 15 2015 07:55 Megiddosc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2015 07:50 Die4Ever wrote:
On February 15 2015 07:49 Megiddosc wrote:
Then don't watch. If you don't have the ability to stay up to watch some good Starcraft, then don't. You can watch the half that is catered to the European viewers. Can't really say there is anything unfair about a 50/50 split between NA and EU primetime. That's about as "fair" as it gets.

The complaining is amusing as someone who regularly has to alter my sleeping schedule to watch Starcraft though.

I'd say a 100/100 or 90/90 "split" is better than a 50/50 split, AM and EU viewership is not mutually exclusive

I don't think you quite understand rudimentary mathematics.

A "100/100" and a "90/90" percentage split is not acheivable.

I said it's not mutually exclusive, I think I understand mathematics and percentages, thanks
"Expert" mods4ever.com
GoloSC2
Profile Joined August 2014
713 Posts
February 14 2015 22:56 GMT
#99
On February 15 2015 07:55 Megiddosc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2015 07:50 Die4Ever wrote:
On February 15 2015 07:49 Megiddosc wrote:
Then don't watch. If you don't have the ability to stay up to watch some good Starcraft, then don't. You can watch the half that is catered to the European viewers. Can't really say there is anything unfair about a 50/50 split between NA and EU primetime. That's about as "fair" as it gets.

The complaining is amusing as someone who regularly has to alter my sleeping schedule to watch Starcraft though.

I'd say a 100/100 or 90/90 "split" is better than a 50/50 split, AM and EU viewership is not mutually exclusive

I don't think you quite understand rudimentary mathematics.

A "100/100" and a "90/90" percentage split is not acheivable.


Well it is when its not mutually exclusive, as he said
"Code S > IEM > Super Tournament > Homestory Cup > Blizzcon/WESG > GSL vs The World > Invitational tournaments in China with Koreans > WCS events" - Rodya
opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-14 23:00:07
February 14 2015 22:57 GMT
#100
On February 15 2015 07:53 babobbyj wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2015 07:50 opisska wrote:
On February 15 2015 07:46 Ej_ wrote:
TBF those times are good for all Chinese fans who want to watch Xigua


All twenty of them? Well, that was mean, but honestly, I am really curious about the numbers this will pull. Most of the potential WCS viewers are in Europe, I am afraid. Also, our Chinese friends could have had exactly that if they went for the original idea of "US/SEA etc... players in US, EU players in EU" at least for Ro32. But they for some reason couldn't ...


On February 15 2015 07:47 babobbyj wrote:
On February 15 2015 07:40 opisska wrote:
On February 15 2015 03:30 Gojira621 wrote:
All the korean stuff starts at 4-5am for me so I barely get to watch it, but it seems like its only when NA events happen late at night for euros is when they come out in droves bitching and complaining about the time zones. Get over yourselves.


I am willing to skip work for GSL/NSSL - I am a lazy useless bum and I get away with that because nobody really cares if I come to work or not. I understand that it is necessary because it's on the completely oposite side of the world and mainly catered to local audience, with a significant live attendance on top of that. But I am not willing to turn my sleep schedule upside down because some idiot in ESL America decided that the major part of viewers is not important to him.


LoL, much sense, no.

You are willing to drop work cus of SC2 games, but you are not willing to tweak your sleep schedule for a few days?

Kind of funny....


I value my health much more than physically going to a workplace in a given timeframe. How absurd!


Your health? wtf... so if your health is so bad you cant work, thats a whole different discussion.
You said you were a bum, and that ppl at work didnt care if u showed or not, now you're saying its cus of your health...


No, by my health I mean to go to sleep. I try to avoid staying awake after midnight like a plague, it messes me up completely, puts me through a lot of stress and in general interefers with my well-being a lot. So I value that more than regular presence at work, ergo I watch GSL but not WCS-for-US-viewers and I questioned your idea that this is somehow funny.

Whatever, I am off to bed, enjoy the games, make sure I wake up to Snute qualifying!

edit:

On February 15 2015 07:53 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
i'm sorry but this commmunity is fucking hilarious. the majority asks for region locking so that's what we get and we get a unified wcs (because if they didn't combine it they would suck let's be real) and now they complain about the global aspect of the world championship series. i truly love the internet


Well it so happens that "the community" is made up from different people with different opinions. I have been opposing region locking since the first time some genius came up with this idea (I had a signature on this topic for years, but honestly, nobody cares about me, so whatever).
"Jeez, that's far from ideal." - Serral, the king of mild trashtalk
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