• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 23:00
CEST 05:00
KST 12:00
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Serral wins Maestros of the Game 237ByuL, and the Limitations of Standard Play3Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners7Code S Season 2 (2026): RO4 and Finals Preview12TL.net Map Contest #22 - Voting & Ladder Map Selection7
Community News
BSL Season 22 Full Overview & Conclusion5BSL Season 22 Full Overview & Conclusion5Weekly Cups (June 29-July 5): Solar Doubles0MC vs IdrA, Boxer vs Nal_rA to be Legacy Matches @ BlizzCon445.0.16 Hotfix (June 30) - Balance + Bug Fixes40
StarCraft 2
General
Serral wins Maestros of the Game 2 Most successful SC2 players of Q2 2026 MC vs IdrA, Boxer vs Nal_rA to be Legacy Matches @ BlizzCon Is the larve respawn broken? 5.0.16 patch for SC2 goes live (8 worker start)
Tourneys
RSL Revival: Season 6 - Qualifiers and Main Event GSL CK #5 Race War HomeStory Cup 29 Vespene Cup #1 — $300+ USD, July 10 Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond)
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
New Map Maker - Looking for Advice - Love or Hate Work In Progress Melee Maps [D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3
External Content
Mutation # 533 Die Together The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 532 Nuclear Family Mutation # 531 Experimental Artillery
Brood War
General
ASL22 General Discussion BW General Discussion BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ BSL Season 22 Full Overview & Conclusion ASL 22 Proposed Map Pool
Tourneys
[ASL22] Wildcard Qualifier [Megathread] Daily Proleagues IPSL Spring 2026 Top 4! CSLAN 4 is Coming!
Strategy
Fighting Spirit mining rates Simple Questions, Simple Answers Creating a full chart of Zerg builds Relatively freeroll strategies
Other Games
General Games
Summer Games Done Quick 2026! General RTS Discussion Thread Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Dawn of War IV
Dota 2
Looking for a Dota Mentor Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
NeO.D_StephenKing vs This Guy From 1 Million Dance TL Mafia Community Thread TL Mafia Power Rank Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread UK Politics Mega-thread YouTube Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club The HerO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! Series you have seen recently... [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books [TV/BOOK] *SPOILERS* Game of Thrones Discussion
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread McBoner: A hockey love story Tennis[sport] Formula 1 Discussion TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
FPS when play League Of Legend on laptop How to clean a TTe Thermaltake keyboard? Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Major Shifts in the Gaming I…
TrAiDoS
An Exploration of th…
waywardstrategy
Gauntlet SC2: A Retrospectiv…
Ctone23
ramps on octagon
StaticNine
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Evil Gacha Games and the…
ffswowsucks
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 8866 users

[HomeStory Cup X] Day 4 - Page 114

Forum Index > StarCraft 2 Tournaments
Post a Reply
Prev 1 112 113 114 115 116 212 Next
royalroadweed
Profile Joined April 2013
United States8301 Posts
November 16 2014 18:52 GMT
#2261
On November 17 2014 03:51 Daralii wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2014 03:50 Incognoto wrote:
On November 17 2014 03:49 Big J wrote:
On November 17 2014 03:47 Daralii wrote:
On November 17 2014 03:45 sharkie wrote:
Whoever decided to create the sentry unit back in the development of SC2 should apologize to every nonprotoss player...

Without completely reworking warp gate, how do you prevent toss from getting runover by any T1 unit composition before they have 200 supply?


Nerf the other races T1-T1.5 units accordingly.


or boost protoss t1 so that they're good units now

And what happens when you get 4-gated with a proxy pylon, when zealots are now strong enough to take out 3-4 lings each?

Early baneling nest? Banes would be decent vs toss without forcefields.
"Nerfing Toss can just make them stronger"
KeksX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Germany3634 Posts
November 16 2014 18:52 GMT
#2262
On November 17 2014 03:51 Daralii wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2014 03:50 Incognoto wrote:
On November 17 2014 03:49 Big J wrote:
On November 17 2014 03:47 Daralii wrote:
On November 17 2014 03:45 sharkie wrote:
Whoever decided to create the sentry unit back in the development of SC2 should apologize to every nonprotoss player...

Without completely reworking warp gate, how do you prevent toss from getting runover by any T1 unit composition before they have 200 supply?


Nerf the other races T1-T1.5 units accordingly.


or boost protoss t1 so that they're good units now

And what happens when you get 4-gated with a proxy pylon, when zealots are now strong enough to take out 3-4 lings each?

Would have to be tried out, first thought is roaches or banes. Anyway, at least you can micro against zealots.
pigmanbear
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Angola2010 Posts
November 16 2014 18:52 GMT
#2263
On November 17 2014 03:52 Yorkie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2014 03:50 SnakeDoctor wrote:
And as per usual. Z or T winning is a display of pure genius decision making and brilliant micro. P wins and it's balance whine.

Come on, Parting lost 6 sentries for a few spellings then walked across the map and steamrolled with pure gateway units/forcefields. I don't complain every time toss wins, but when that happens I get a bit salty, it happens

Zerg shouldn't win when they open like Losira did and don't do much damage.
Alchemik
Profile Joined March 2014
Poland7124 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-16 18:54:06
November 16 2014 18:53 GMT
#2264
On November 17 2014 03:51 SatedSC2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2014 03:51 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On November 17 2014 03:49 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
On November 17 2014 03:47 Daralii wrote:
On November 17 2014 03:45 sharkie wrote:
Whoever decided to create the sentry unit back in the development of SC2 should apologize to every nonprotoss player...

Without completely reworking warp gate, how do you prevent toss from getting runover by any T1 unit composition before they have 200 supply?

By reworking everything. It's not fair to say we shouldn't fix bad design because other things are also badly designed, that's just lazy.


If you rework everything, what's the point of calling it Protoss? Also I can't believe people are getting so mad about that game 3. After failing to cheese Losira was basically dead; forcefields just made his death animation more painful to watch.

Beautiful to watch.

P A R T I N G F I E L D S

such an awful bait

On November 17 2014 03:52 pigmanbear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2014 03:52 Yorkie wrote:
On November 17 2014 03:50 SnakeDoctor wrote:
And as per usual. Z or T winning is a display of pure genius decision making and brilliant micro. P wins and it's balance whine.

Come on, Parting lost 6 sentries for a few spellings then walked across the map and steamrolled with pure gateway units/forcefields. I don't complain every time toss wins, but when that happens I get a bit salty, it happens

Zerg shouldn't win when they open like Losira did and don't do much damage.

except he did damage
not game-ending, but it ended up even
Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24604 Posts
November 16 2014 18:53 GMT
#2265
On November 17 2014 03:51 Daralii wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2014 03:50 Incognoto wrote:
On November 17 2014 03:49 Big J wrote:
On November 17 2014 03:47 Daralii wrote:
On November 17 2014 03:45 sharkie wrote:
Whoever decided to create the sentry unit back in the development of SC2 should apologize to every nonprotoss player...

Without completely reworking warp gate, how do you prevent toss from getting runover by any T1 unit composition before they have 200 supply?


Nerf the other races T1-T1.5 units accordingly.


or boost protoss t1 so that they're good units now

And what happens when you get 4-gated with a proxy pylon, when zealots are now strong enough to take out 3-4 lings each?


A zealot is already that strong (vs slow lings and micro)
SatedSC2
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
England3012 Posts
November 16 2014 18:53 GMT
#2266
--- Nuked ---
LimitSEA
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia9580 Posts
November 16 2014 18:53 GMT
#2267
On November 17 2014 03:51 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2014 03:49 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
On November 17 2014 03:47 Daralii wrote:
On November 17 2014 03:45 sharkie wrote:
Whoever decided to create the sentry unit back in the development of SC2 should apologize to every nonprotoss player...

Without completely reworking warp gate, how do you prevent toss from getting runover by any T1 unit composition before they have 200 supply?

By reworking everything. It's not fair to say we shouldn't fix bad design because other things are also badly designed, that's just lazy.


If you rework everything, what's the point of calling it Protoss? Also I can't believe people are getting so mad about that game 3. After failing to cheese Losira was basically dead; forcefields just made his death animation more painful to watch.

Most of the forcefield hate is coming from the game 2, though I won't say FF's won Parting that game. LosirA made a lot of poor choices.

They don't need to rework everything. But addressing bad design while retaining to essence of the race is kind of what a game designer should be doing.
Long live the King of Wings
Daralii
Profile Joined March 2010
United States16991 Posts
November 16 2014 18:53 GMT
#2268
On November 17 2014 03:52 Doublemint wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2014 03:51 Daralii wrote:
On November 17 2014 03:50 Incognoto wrote:
On November 17 2014 03:49 Big J wrote:
On November 17 2014 03:47 Daralii wrote:
On November 17 2014 03:45 sharkie wrote:
Whoever decided to create the sentry unit back in the development of SC2 should apologize to every nonprotoss player...

Without completely reworking warp gate, how do you prevent toss from getting runover by any T1 unit composition before they have 200 supply?


Nerf the other races T1-T1.5 units accordingly.


or boost protoss t1 so that they're good units now

And what happens when you get 4-gated with a proxy pylon, when zealots are now strong enough to take out 3-4 lings each?


a nerf of WG would be inevitable.

Which is coincidentally what's happening in LotV.
Fear is freedom! Subjugation is liberation! Contradiction is truth!
Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
November 16 2014 18:53 GMT
#2269
Flash vs. Parting. Loser must perform Hey Kappa Hey on loop for 10 minutes straight at the after party.
Writerhttps://twitter.com/FionnOnFire
Yorkie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States12612 Posts
November 16 2014 18:53 GMT
#2270
On November 17 2014 03:50 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2014 03:49 Big J wrote:
On November 17 2014 03:47 Daralii wrote:
On November 17 2014 03:45 sharkie wrote:
Whoever decided to create the sentry unit back in the development of SC2 should apologize to every nonprotoss player...

Without completely reworking warp gate, how do you prevent toss from getting runover by any T1 unit composition before they have 200 supply?


Nerf the other races T1-T1.5 units accordingly.


Nerfing is more dangerous than buffing, I feel. Work on improving Protoss T1 rather than nerfing others'

Protoss T1 beats Zerg T1. Only stimmed bio beats pure gateway
Hwang Kang Hooooooooooo. Follow mah boy Shellshock @Shellshock1122
BlackCompany
Profile Joined August 2012
Germany8388 Posts
November 16 2014 18:53 GMT
#2271
Please win Flash. I dont care how or why. Just win.
lastride
Profile Joined April 2014
2390 Posts
November 16 2014 18:53 GMT
#2272
Does snute understand korean or is he nodding for no reason?
Gwavajuice
Profile Joined June 2014
France1810 Posts
November 16 2014 18:53 GMT
#2273
Parting is so good, each time he wins the FF debates rises from its grave

Parting vs FLash is mega hypuuuu, Flash might be slightly favored but should be entertaining
Dear INno and all the former STX boys.
SuperFanBoy
Profile Joined June 2011
New Zealand1068 Posts
November 16 2014 18:53 GMT
#2274
Forcefields should only last like like 5 seconds, and protoss should have an upgrade to make it last 10 seconds.
15 seconds right now is far too much.
HellHound
Profile Joined September 2014
Bulgaria5962 Posts
November 16 2014 18:54 GMT
#2275
On November 17 2014 03:51 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2014 03:49 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
On November 17 2014 03:47 Daralii wrote:
On November 17 2014 03:45 sharkie wrote:
Whoever decided to create the sentry unit back in the development of SC2 should apologize to every nonprotoss player...

Without completely reworking warp gate, how do you prevent toss from getting runover by any T1 unit composition before they have 200 supply?

By reworking everything. It's not fair to say we shouldn't fix bad design because other things are also badly designed, that's just lazy.


If you rework everything, what's the point of calling it Protoss? Also I can't believe people are getting so mad about that game 3. After failing to cheese Losira was basically dead; forcefields just made his death animation more painful to watch.

I never understood why zergs hate on protoss stuff so much, for me hellbats (and swarm hosts but not as much) are more stupid then all the protoss BS put together :D
Classic GosoO |sOs| Everyone has to give in, let Life win | Zest Is The Best | Roach Cultist | I recognize the might and wisdom of my Otherworldly overlord | Air vs Air 200/200 SC2 is best SC2 | PRIME has been robbed | Fuck prime go ST | ROACH ROACH ROACH
Yorkie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States12612 Posts
November 16 2014 18:54 GMT
#2276
On November 17 2014 03:52 pigmanbear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2014 03:52 Yorkie wrote:
On November 17 2014 03:50 SnakeDoctor wrote:
And as per usual. Z or T winning is a display of pure genius decision making and brilliant micro. P wins and it's balance whine.

Come on, Parting lost 6 sentries for a few spellings then walked across the map and steamrolled with pure gateway units/forcefields. I don't complain every time toss wins, but when that happens I get a bit salty, it happens

Zerg shouldn't win when they open like Losira did and don't do much damage.

Parting gave him a way back in. Protoss shouldn't win when they lose 6 sentries essentially for free but they do.
Hwang Kang Hooooooooooo. Follow mah boy Shellshock @Shellshock1122
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18698 Posts
November 16 2014 18:54 GMT
#2277
On November 17 2014 03:53 Gwavajuice wrote:
Parting is so good, each time he wins the FF debates rises from its grave

Parting vs FLash is mega hypuuuu, Flash might be slightly favored but should be entertaining


FF debates never die.
It's just horrible game design. No one can say FFs make SC2 good
ZAiNs
Profile Joined July 2010
United Kingdom6525 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-16 18:55:01
November 16 2014 18:54 GMT
#2278
On November 17 2014 03:52 Yorkie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2014 03:50 SnakeDoctor wrote:
And as per usual. Z or T winning is a display of pure genius decision making and brilliant micro. P wins and it's balance whine.

Come on, Parting lost 6 sentries for a few spellings then walked across the map and steamrolled with pure gateway units/forcefields. I don't complain every time toss wins, but when that happens I get a bit salty, it happens

It's cuz he's Parting.

On November 17 2014 03:54 Yorkie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2014 03:52 pigmanbear wrote:
On November 17 2014 03:52 Yorkie wrote:
On November 17 2014 03:50 SnakeDoctor wrote:
And as per usual. Z or T winning is a display of pure genius decision making and brilliant micro. P wins and it's balance whine.

Come on, Parting lost 6 sentries for a few spellings then walked across the map and steamrolled with pure gateway units/forcefields. I don't complain every time toss wins, but when that happens I get a bit salty, it happens

Zerg shouldn't win when they open like Losira did and don't do much damage.

Parting gave him a way back in. Protoss shouldn't win when they lose 6 sentries essentially for free but they do.

Making comebacks through awesome play is a good thing.
pigmanbear
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Angola2010 Posts
November 16 2014 18:54 GMT
#2279
On November 17 2014 03:53 SuperFanBoy wrote:
Forcefields should only last like like 5 seconds, and protoss should have an upgrade to make it last 10 seconds.
15 seconds right now is far too much.

OOh then I could open with speedlings and win every game.
Daralii
Profile Joined March 2010
United States16991 Posts
November 16 2014 18:54 GMT
#2280
On November 17 2014 03:53 Gwavajuice wrote:
Parting is so good, each time he wins the FF debates rises from its grave

Parting vs FLash is mega hypuuuu, Flash might be slightly favored but should be entertaining

It'd be happening twice as much if MC was still good.
Fear is freedom! Subjugation is liberation! Contradiction is truth!
Prev 1 112 113 114 115 116 212 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 6h 1m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
WinterStarcraft534
PiGStarcraft417
RuFF_SC2 132
ProTech22
StarCraft: Brood War
Pusan 86
NaDa 74
Mind 51
Dota 2
NeuroSwarm132
League of Legends
JimRising 564
Counter-Strike
summit1g9001
m0e_tv430
minikerr43
Other Games
RotterdaM171
ViBE158
UpATreeSC48
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick41039
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Hupsaiya 82
• davetesta36
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• Pr0nogo 1
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• masondota21237
League of Legends
• Lourlo455
Upcoming Events
RSL Revival
6h 1m
Solar vs Rogue
Maru vs NightMare
Sparkling Tuna Cup
7h 1m
IPSL
13h 1m
Bonyth vs Hawk
GSL
1d 8h
Replay Cast
1d 21h
WardiTV Weekly
2 days
The PondCast
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
CrankTV Team League
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
[ Show More ]
CrankTV Team League
5 days
Replay Cast
5 days
RSL Revival
6 days
Clem vs Lambo
Scarlett vs Cure
CranKy Ducklings
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

ASL Season 22: Wild Card Qualifier
HSC XXIX
Eternal Conflict S2 E1

Ongoing

IPSL Spring 2026
Acropolis #4
YSL S3
CSL 2026 Summer (S21)
RSL Revival: Season 6
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
SCTL 2026 Spring
Eternal Conflict S2 E2
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026

Upcoming

CSLAN 4
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
HSC XXX
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
Light Tournament 2026
Eternal Conflict S2 Finale
Eternal Conflict S2 E3
Logitech G Connect 2026
StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #5
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.