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On September 25 2014 05:38 xyzz wrote:Show nested quote +edit: No idea where your numbers are coming from, even if you include the previous two tournaments (Terran wins before the patch) it's 6/9 not 6/8. Yeah it's a typo. 6/9. Why are we supposed to act like we're not seeing a trend? Is this an issue we're supposed to be all hush hush about? Is it a sensitive subject that in a 3 race game a trend has been started that one race wins 2 out of every 3 tournaments and places second in the rest? Can we attribute this to only variance? We can talk about how Zergs need to shape up their game and how Protoss need to adapt their strategies, but we don't need to act like Terran players just somehow got more skilled either. They got help from Blizzard, and the results are showing. Why is this such an offensive idea?
I don't think it's the idea that's offensive, I think it's your bias towards the idea.
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On September 25 2014 05:40 Garsecg wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2014 05:38 xyzz wrote:edit: No idea where your numbers are coming from, even if you include the previous two tournaments (Terran wins before the patch) it's 6/9 not 6/8. Yeah it's a typo. 6/9. Why are we supposed to act like we're not seeing a trend? Is this an issue we're supposed to be all hush hush about? Is it a sensitive subject that in a 3 race game a trend has been started that one race wins 2 out of every 3 tournaments and places second in the rest? Can we attribute this to only variance? We can talk about how Zergs need to shape up their game and how Protoss need to adapt their strategies, but we don't need to act like Terran players just somehow got more skilled either. They got help from Blizzard, and the results are showing. Why is this such an offensive idea? I don't think it's the idea that's offensive, I think it's your bias towards the idea.
I'm not so much biased towards the Terran pros who now enjoy success, because they have all certainly been through tough times too and kept playing, than against the general idea that the game is in a good place. It most certainly isn't, because it isn't balanced.
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On September 25 2014 05:38 xyzz wrote:Show nested quote +edit: No idea where your numbers are coming from, even if you include the previous two tournaments (Terran wins before the patch) it's 6/9 not 6/8. Yeah it's a typo. 6/9. Why are we supposed to act like we're not seeing a trend? Is this an issue we're supposed to be all hush hush about? Is it a sensitive subject that in a 3 race game a trend has been started that one race wins 2 out of every 3 tournaments and places second in the rest? Can we attribute this to only variance? We can talk about how Zergs need to shape up their game and how Protoss need to adapt their strategies, but we don't need to act like Terran players just somehow got more skilled either. They got help from Blizzard, and the results are showing. Why is this such an offensive idea?
It's not an offensive idea. I personally believe Terran to be the strongest race at the moment. But the absolutely HILARIOUS thing about this is that Zerg and Protoss have both had huge high points since the last time Terran was strong, and I didn't see you asking for a balanced game then. You have picked a time to whine so incredibly fast after Terran has become strong again after Protoss was the strongest for months. You know what Terran got told when they were losing to blink? Get better. Adapt. Oh look sensor towers are the answer! No wait siege tanks are the answer! Find out how to beat it.
So saying a race is strong is not an offensive idea, it is just funny that now you have come out like this has only happened for Terran and this time period is the peak of imbalance in Starcraft 2.
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wow forcefielding dts you cant see rofl
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On September 25 2014 05:22 Penev wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2014 05:20 xyzz wrote:
5 Terrans in round of 8. Balanced game.
Oh no, wait, I'm just a whiner. The skilled players just happen to play Terran. 5 Protoss into 5 Terran. Let's bring the old infestor back and see what happens :F
Out of 5 terrans in WCS UE ro8 3 are Koreans. And not bad Koreans. Even Code S champion Jajkji didn't make the cut.
In fact we get 6 good Koreans (out of 8 in premiere league) and the 2 best EU players atm, seems ok to me. So your question is more like : why there are mostly terrans in outside-korea Koreans players ?
But ehh maybe you prefers when the first patchzerg/patchtoss wins top korean terran consistently..... but in this case don't talk about balance :D
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And yeah, as Sated (who is a Protoss player) very maturely stated: the map pool is a very big factor to Terran success right now, much like the map pool of maps like Yeonsu and Heavy Rain was a big reason for Protoss success earlier this year.
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You know what Terran got told when they were losing to blink? Get better. Adapt. Oh look sensor towers are the answer! No wait siege tanks are the answer! Find out how to beat it.
So saying a race is strong is not an offensive idea, it is just funny that now you have come out like this has only happened for Terran and this time period is the peak of imbalance in Starcraft 2.
Well that's just a blatant lie. People didn't tell Terrans to get better or to adapt. In fact the most vocal balance whiners in our community are few certain popular Terran players, and sometimes they have the facts on their side and sometimes they don't. Either way they succeeded and pushed through changes in the game. The interesting thing is that the same people still complain about Terran being underpowered, despite Terran winning everything.
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On September 25 2014 05:44 xongnox wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2014 05:22 Penev wrote:On September 25 2014 05:20 xyzz wrote:
5 Terrans in round of 8. Balanced game.
Oh no, wait, I'm just a whiner. The skilled players just happen to play Terran. 5 Protoss into 5 Terran. Let's bring the old infestor back and see what happens :F Out of 5 terrans in WCS UE ro8 3 are Koreans. And not bad Koreans. Even Code S champion Jajkji didn't make the cut. In fact we get 6 good Koreans (out of 8 in premiere league) and the 2 best EU players atm, seems ok to me. So your question is more like : why there are mostly terrans in outside-korea Koreans players ? But ehh maybe you prefers when the first patchzerg/patchtoss wins top korean terran consistently..... but in this case don't talk about balance :D
Did you mean to quote me?
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On September 25 2014 05:38 xyzz wrote:Show nested quote +edit: No idea where your numbers are coming from, even if you include the previous two tournaments (Terran wins before the patch) it's 6/9 not 6/8. Yeah it's a typo. 6/9. Why are we supposed to act like we're not seeing a trend? Is this an issue we're supposed to be all hush hush about? Is it a sensitive subject that in a 3 race game a trend has been started that one race wins 2 out of every 3 tournaments and places second in the rest? Can we attribute this to only variance? We can talk about how Zergs need to shape up their game and how Protoss need to adapt their strategies, but we don't need to act like Terran players just somehow got more skilled either. They got help from Blizzard, and the results are showing. Why is this such an offensive idea?
You're hardcore cherrypicking stats (taking wins from before the patch, including one that had top tier T vs mediocre Z and HuK being the best Protoss).
Since the Patch, 4T wins, 2 Z wins and 1P win.
Obviously Terran got buffed and as a result is doing better...
Are they overperforming right now? Possibly vZ, doesn't seem likely vP.
On September 25 2014 05:46 xyzz wrote:
Well that's just a blatant lie. People didn't tell Terrans to get better or to adapt. In fact the most vocal balance whiners in our community are few certain popular Terran players, and sometimes they have the facts on their side and sometimes they don't. Either way they succeeded and pushed through changes in the game. The interesting thing is that the same people still complain about Terran being underpowered, despite Terran winning everything.
Talking about blatant lies...
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On September 25 2014 05:41 xyzz wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2014 05:40 Garsecg wrote:On September 25 2014 05:38 xyzz wrote:edit: No idea where your numbers are coming from, even if you include the previous two tournaments (Terran wins before the patch) it's 6/9 not 6/8. Yeah it's a typo. 6/9. Why are we supposed to act like we're not seeing a trend? Is this an issue we're supposed to be all hush hush about? Is it a sensitive subject that in a 3 race game a trend has been started that one race wins 2 out of every 3 tournaments and places second in the rest? Can we attribute this to only variance? We can talk about how Zergs need to shape up their game and how Protoss need to adapt their strategies, but we don't need to act like Terran players just somehow got more skilled either. They got help from Blizzard, and the results are showing. Why is this such an offensive idea? I don't think it's the idea that's offensive, I think it's your bias towards the idea. I'm not so much biased towards the Terran pros who now enjoy success, because they have all certainly been through tough times too and kept playing, than against the general idea that the game is in a good place. It most certainly isn't, because it isn't balanced.
Show us similar posts in the protoss era please
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Okay, now I agree that TvT and PvP switched their playstyles O_o
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The idea of balancing to get even winrates across the board is abhorrent to me. The only time you need to balance is when the game becomes stale or something is obviously broken. The rest of the time I want players to struggle against the unfairness of the situation and find solutions themselves.
Fruidealer won the first GSL on the worst iteration of zerg with the worst maps possible. Same for Nestea.
Mvp and Taeja beat BL/infestor.
Rain solved PvP in WoL.
Parting shot forward the TvP meta multiple times in WoL.
Life beat pre-nerf WMs and Hellbats.
DRG and Curious both beat pre-nerf WMs used by Inno.
Right now Protoss is doing worse in PvT, but it makes the wins by players like herO and MC more meaningful. The way Trap forced storm openings to work on catellena against Cure was amazing. I'd rather have the players and the maps force the winrates to go up and down than just bitch at blizzard to change the patch so we get approximately even results for all 3 races.
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Wow 70.600 viewers for Hearthstone. O_o
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On September 25 2014 05:46 xyzz wrote:Show nested quote +You know what Terran got told when they were losing to blink? Get better. Adapt. Oh look sensor towers are the answer! No wait siege tanks are the answer! Find out how to beat it.
So saying a race is strong is not an offensive idea, it is just funny that now you have come out like this has only happened for Terran and this time period is the peak of imbalance in Starcraft 2. Well that's just a blatant lie. People didn't tell Terrans to get better or to adapt. In fact the most vocal balance whiners in our community are few certain popular Terran players, and sometimes they have the facts on their side and sometimes they don't. Either way they succeeded and pushed through changes in the game. The interesting thing is that the same people still complain about Terran being underpowered, despite Terran winning everything.
It is not a blatant lie. I was literally told to watch random replays of TY holding off a blink all in with a sensor tower because he had, and I quote, "figured it out". And don't give me bullshit about Terrans balance whining the hardest. Players of all races whine. You are the one that is clearly biased by choosing only to see Terran whine
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On September 25 2014 05:47 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:
Okay, now I agree that TvT and PvP switched their playstyles O_o
MsC for Terran in LotV confirmed.
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On September 25 2014 05:46 imrusty269 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2014 05:41 xyzz wrote:On September 25 2014 05:40 Garsecg wrote:On September 25 2014 05:38 xyzz wrote:edit: No idea where your numbers are coming from, even if you include the previous two tournaments (Terran wins before the patch) it's 6/9 not 6/8. Yeah it's a typo. 6/9. Why are we supposed to act like we're not seeing a trend? Is this an issue we're supposed to be all hush hush about? Is it a sensitive subject that in a 3 race game a trend has been started that one race wins 2 out of every 3 tournaments and places second in the rest? Can we attribute this to only variance? We can talk about how Zergs need to shape up their game and how Protoss need to adapt their strategies, but we don't need to act like Terran players just somehow got more skilled either. They got help from Blizzard, and the results are showing. Why is this such an offensive idea? I don't think it's the idea that's offensive, I think it's your bias towards the idea. I'm not so much biased towards the Terran pros who now enjoy success, because they have all certainly been through tough times too and kept playing, than against the general idea that the game is in a good place. It most certainly isn't, because it isn't balanced. Show us similar posts in the protoss era please
You have dozens of those posts in all the 'designated balance threads' at every forum that exists. I'm sure you can find the ones posted on teamliquid without me doing the work for you. The prevalent mentality that still exists is that when a Protoss wins it's because of the race being overpowered, and when a Terran wins it's because of skill. "nice a move bro"
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On September 25 2014 05:49 xyzz wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2014 05:46 imrusty269 wrote:On September 25 2014 05:41 xyzz wrote:On September 25 2014 05:40 Garsecg wrote:On September 25 2014 05:38 xyzz wrote:edit: No idea where your numbers are coming from, even if you include the previous two tournaments (Terran wins before the patch) it's 6/9 not 6/8. Yeah it's a typo. 6/9. Why are we supposed to act like we're not seeing a trend? Is this an issue we're supposed to be all hush hush about? Is it a sensitive subject that in a 3 race game a trend has been started that one race wins 2 out of every 3 tournaments and places second in the rest? Can we attribute this to only variance? We can talk about how Zergs need to shape up their game and how Protoss need to adapt their strategies, but we don't need to act like Terran players just somehow got more skilled either. They got help from Blizzard, and the results are showing. Why is this such an offensive idea? I don't think it's the idea that's offensive, I think it's your bias towards the idea. I'm not so much biased towards the Terran pros who now enjoy success, because they have all certainly been through tough times too and kept playing, than against the general idea that the game is in a good place. It most certainly isn't, because it isn't balanced. Show us similar posts in the protoss era please You have dozens of those posts in all the 'designated balance threads' at every forum that exists. I'm sure you can find the ones posted on teamliquid without me doing the work for you. The prevalent mentality that still exists is that when a Protoss wins it's because of the race being overpowered, and when a Terran wins it's because of skill. "nice a move bro"
People who say that are clearly biased and don't get the game, but you can't just go ahead and decide that that is the majority opinion of people that watch SC2.
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