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Rollora
2450 Posts
On September 13 2014 18:02 jonich0n wrote: Yeah, 1st place at IEM, 3rd-4th at Kespa Cup, 8th-16th GSL, all soon after stepping up and leading KT to winning Proleague Playoffs with Zest. Shit player, for sure. haha for some viewers a player is only good if he wins everything. Basically there was no good sc2 player yet | ||
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Caihead
Canada8550 Posts
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Tanzklaue
Germany1413 Posts
also zest should have this. | ||
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zerosouL
Poland11 Posts
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bo1b
Australia12814 Posts
On September 13 2014 18:19 Rollora wrote: haha for some viewers a player is only good if he wins everything. Basically there was no good sc2 player yet Innovation | ||
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Thrillz
4313 Posts
On September 13 2014 18:20 Tanzklaue wrote: i don't even think protoss is OP aymore. at this poin this is just some weird kind of curse that prevents non-protoss from winning any tournaments in korea :/ also zest should have this. Protoss to win this season of GSL. | ||
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Rollora
2450 Posts
On September 13 2014 18:04 Superbanana wrote: Game one: other top protosses loses 5+ probes in the same situation Game two: the mines exploded on vikings and the phoenixes did a lot of work shutting down every drop attempt and killing stray marines Game 3: his defense was perfectly executed, point to me a single small mistake... cause im sure most protosses would end far behind in the same situation Like I said, herO just showed the power of protoss. Like you point out the "perfect defense"= chronoboosting out the very first unit when you have a bunker built in your face. Yeah some other protoss would have died. Thank god because if every protoss survives that shit, TL Admins could just push the "bann all terrans from posting now" button, since this would so clearly indicate that the game balance is off, that not even Jesus coming down again could rescue that game again. User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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REyeM
2674 Posts
On September 13 2014 18:21 zerosouL wrote: Sad to see that current meta is so much biased towards toss...as usual. Let the meta wins and not the player himself. GJ. What are you talking about? The racial distribution at the beginning of this tournament was 9/4/3 in favor of protoss... it was mostly likely there would be a PvP final, especially since soO got knocked out | ||
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Thrillz
4313 Posts
Dude hasn't even won a GSL/OSL. | ||
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jonich0n
United States1982 Posts
On September 13 2014 18:18 Thrillz wrote: Really sad that Flash and Maru, possbily Rain, Bogus and even soO won't make to Blizzcon. Damn that's tough. That's pretty incredible to me. All such standout players, and have been for a long time. They just didn't quite tally up enough points in this year's "circuit," which is a shame, surely if they were all at all the big foreign tourneys things would have turned out very different. I can't believe soO quite possibly (or probably?) won't make it, that's gotta be the toughest. Still I'll enjoy Blizzcon, but.. | ||
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GoloSC2
710 Posts
On September 13 2014 18:17 Rollora wrote: I don't doubt herO, problem here is, that it is possible to "stomb" without units. Like I said: 1 zealot, 1 sentry, 1 stalker are enough to preventing 12 marines and a marauder from killing a single probe, let alone that the army of flash died, and this game was already over at that point. Or game 3, where not making a unit, expanding, still not making a unit until you see 3 opponents unit on your ramp and instawin, there is just something strange right here. I imagine what the game would look like the other way around: protoss double proxy gate, terran goes no units for 5 minutes - and then out of one production building. Ok the races are completely different, but shouldn't a balanced game have similar chances for each race in every minute of the game? Because that is right now not the case, even after the patch, where midgame seems balanced now. since you already mentioned the races being different: because protoss has the more expensive units in supply and costs, of course they do better in a 1 vs 3 situation than terran units. game would be incredibly imbalanced if protoss needed equal numbers | ||
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Tanzklaue
Germany1413 Posts
On September 13 2014 18:19 Rollora wrote: haha for some viewers a player is only good if he wins everything. Basically there was no good sc2 player yet Mvp | ||
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ANLProbe
667 Posts
On September 13 2014 17:58 Undead1993 wrote: dude really? after flash won the probably most stacked IEM in history and taeja rekt zest you are coming up with that? Shenzhen was more stacked imo. | ||
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zerosouL
Poland11 Posts
On September 13 2014 18:19 Caihead wrote: Flash needs to accept that this isn't fixed meta BW 7 years after the last patch and get that rookie mindset again, find new ways to break the meta and not rely on one style, balance is constantly shifting every tournament and every week as thousands of pro players are trying to maximize on the latest patch. It's too bad that the only terrans that actually try different styles (instead of just relying on god like micro like Maru) don't get rewarded (see bbyong). Seems like if you picked protoss and tried different styles you could base an entire career off it (see MC, herO, san, sOs), just is inherent in the way blizzard designed the races with Terran relying so heavily on tier 1 and Protoss relying so much on tech paths. He was just straight up better then everyone else. Hes best progamer ever lived for a reson you know. SC2 is just too dumbed down to make it real progaming enviroment. No wonder why its not possible to dominate is such a way anymore as Flash did for couple of years back. SC2 is slowly dying for a reason. | ||
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Lorning
Belgica34432 Posts
On September 13 2014 18:25 zerosouL wrote: He was just straight up better then everyone else. Hes best progamer ever lived for a reson you know. SC2 is just too dumbed down to make it real progaming enviroment. No wonder why its not possible to dominate is such a way anymore as Flash did for couple of years back. SC2 is slowly dying for a reason. lol | ||
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REyeM
2674 Posts
Well, most of the things that he has achieved was at the time when the big boys were still playing BW. | ||
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Rollora
2450 Posts
On September 13 2014 18:04 tomatriedes wrote: Terran could win all the tournaments and there would still be balance whine when Flash loses. True. Same for other races. Like several GSLs were won by other races, although the game was considered inbalanced to the other race. Like the first GSL where fruitdealer won, and everybody shoutet TERRAN SO OP. Or when everybody was complaining about how great widow mines and hellbats are for terran, but all we saw the last couple of months was ZPcraft http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/460550-welcome-to-zparcraft-ii And did you even LOOK at the bracket on liquipedia? 6 out of 8 players protoss, finals PvP again, like the 50th premier finals this year. I still think that blizzard needs to look closer to TvP after a couple of weeks of adaptation from the Protoss. But maybe it's the other way around and the WM buff switched the matchup into terrans favor, we will find towards the end of the year. Maybe a buildtime change on the bunker could fix things | ||
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Undead1993
Germany17651 Posts
are we dead yet? | ||
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ANLProbe
667 Posts
On September 13 2014 18:27 REyeM wrote: Well, most of the things that he has achieved was at the time when the big boys were still playing BW. And when Terran was OP. | ||
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zerosouL
Poland11 Posts
On September 13 2014 18:22 REyeM wrote: What are you talking about? The racial distribution at the beginning of this tournament was 9/4/3 in favor of protoss... it was mostly likely there would be a PvP final, especially since soO got knocked out And why is that exactly? Caus emeta is still so much biased towards toss? Right. | ||
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