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On September 13 2014 17:59 architecture wrote:
Can someone explain why TvP meta has gone back to SCV pulls? There was like 1-2 week of widow mine play after the patch, and then its disappeared again. I thought you could force drops onto colo player before too far into midgame and just trade bio+mine drop vs gateway.
Now the meta is really boring again wtf.
Before widow mine buff it was any protoss opening into Terran not being able to react
After widow mine buff Terrans learned to shut down early templar / immortal all ins and block oracles.
In response to that Protoss go Robo forge or Robo phoenix every game.
In response to that Terrans go Vikings every game.
Collosus still beat viking builds most of the time with out scv pull, Templar collosus is always hard to play against unless you are top 5 terran in the world.
Terrans pull the boys every game.
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On September 13 2014 17:58 jonich0n wrote:jesus christ that was one-sided. welp... now I think it's going to be a long offseason for Flash, this will be the last we will see of him for quite a while then? 
Maaaaaaybe he goes to DH Stockholm, but otherwise, yes. Might not be so bad though, he's proven he can hang with the very best now with a smart standard style, now he can work on being countered less and improve even more. He still had one of the most insane runs in recent memory, it just wasn't good enough to go all the way.
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On September 13 2014 18:02 bo1b wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2014 17:57 graNite wrote:On September 13 2014 17:49 Ctesias wrote:On September 13 2014 17:48 Going4Gold wrote:
They made Zerg unbeatable before HotS and now Protoss before LotV. What's the point? The game is more balanced now than ever, I'd say. The last patch was great. But I guess you're just looking for a ban. there is a difference in balanced winrates and balanced game. lets say a storm whipes all terran units on the map and terran wins with 50% with 2 rax in tvp we would only see 2rax in tvp every game, have 50% in winrates. would you call in balanced? the missing diversity is really hurting the game! Nah, the balance right now is really good.
Yup, at the end of the day that's all blizz seems to care about is perfect balance.
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On September 13 2014 18:02 Wasaru wrote:Where is Maru in the Kespa Cup brackets. Did he change his name? I can't find him
Ded somewhere in the qualifiers.
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On September 13 2014 18:02 Wasaru wrote:Where is Maru in the Kespa Cup brackets. Did he change his name? I can't find him
Lost to EffOrt in the q
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On September 13 2014 18:01 Ctesias wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2014 18:01 MorroW wrote:
no idea why some pros even try 1111 vs toss anymore, hero defended it without scouting lol. hero truly amazing pvt Worked for TY in the Proleague finals.
Cause Classic went nexus first every time he played on Frost vs Terran. There was no scouting data that suggested herO would go nexus first on overgrwoth. Flash just gambled cause he lost confidence or he thought he had a read.
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Flash still has a 0.02 chance of going to Blizzcon. He will be there.
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Lorning
Belgica34432 Posts
The salt is pretty decent today
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On September 13 2014 17:59 Superbanana wrote:
Sorry guys, toss is not OP anymore, and Flash was outplayed hard
Absolutely true. herO stomped his push in game 1 and extended his advantage via upgrades and map control. In game 2, Flash looked like he had no idea how to play vs. colossus/phoenix - and wow did he let his army get caught, I think that was probably the worst position on the map to ever fight vs. 5 colossi. Also during that engagement, he did not target down a single colossus, a-moving his vikings. Game 3 - why would you ever proxy a protoss on a 2player map? Any tactic that includes a gateway and a gas shuts that down.
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United Kingdom31935 Posts
On September 13 2014 18:03 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2014 18:02 GumBa wrote:
Flash blizzcon is dead. My blizzcon dreams still survive though. I think INnoVation still has a chance
Dream lives on
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On September 13 2014 17:59 Rollora wrote:
Hahahahaha
Game one: 12 Marines and a Marauder vs 1 Zealot 1 Stalker 1 Sentry, who wins?
Game two 4 widow mines explode on protoss death balls, who wins?
Game three: Proxy rax vs hero skipping zealot, skipping stalker, just cronos it after seeing the bunker, who wins?
ah I love hero ♥
Game one: other top protosses loses 5+ probes in the same situation
Game two: the mines exploded on vikings and the phoenixes did a lot of work shutting down every drop attempt and killing stray marines
Game 3: his defense was perfectly executed, point to me a single small mistake... cause im sure most protosses would end far behind in the same situation
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Terran could win all the tournaments and there would still be balance whine when Flash loses.
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Northern Ireland26692 Posts
God Flash hammered Zest last bloody week and had a good run here, even qualifying for this tournament was impressive.
Flash doesn't 'suck' he's still one of the better Terrans around and herO is showing a nice run of form too. Yeah there's a lot of PvP this tournament but I see it as a consequence of the state of the game that people qualified for this tournament for, like when WCS Kr was really Protoss dominated.
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On September 13 2014 17:59 Rollora wrote:
Hahahahaha
Game one: 12 Marines and a Marauder vs 1 Zealot 1 Stalker 1 Sentry, who wins?
Game two 4 widow mines explode on protoss death balls, who wins?
Game three: Proxy rax vs hero skipping zealot, skipping stalker, just cronos it after seeing the bunker, who wins?
ah I love hero ♥
I like how hero managed to pull through against all the odds with the current 55% TvP.
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On September 13 2014 18:03 Lorning wrote:
The salt is pretty decent today
good salt
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Maru has been total shit compared to Flash if you compare results the past 3 months. Love both, just sayin. Facts.
On September 13 2014 18:02 Phredxor wrote:
Hype train is going to have to go into the shop for repairs until next year.
IT SHALL RETURN BETTER THAN EVER!
Also this.
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On September 13 2014 17:59 architecture wrote:
Can someone explain why TvP meta has gone back to SCV pulls? There was like 1-2 week of widow mine play after the patch, and then its disappeared again. I thought you could force drops onto colo player before too far into midgame and just trade bio+mine drop vs gateway.
Now the meta is really boring again wtf.
pros always hammer out new patches and probably came to the conclusion that its not so great vs colo phoenix or colo blink. its great vs templar play though which is why no toss do that anymore
meta will stay this way unfortunately
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On September 13 2014 17:55 sharkie wrote:
Fast nexus vs double rax
Flash had a huge BO no?
If toss opens standard (core/stalker), they can hold till nexus cannon and then they are ahead by a lot.
It works if they do nexus first, but against any gate first build, it's not good.
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On September 13 2014 18:04 Wombat_NI wrote:
God Flash hammered Zest last bloody week and had a good run here, even qualifying for this tournament was impressive.
Flash doesn't 'suck' he's still one of the better Terrans around and herO is showing a nice run of form too. Yeah there's a lot of PvP this tournament but I see it as a consequence of the state of the game that people qualified for this tournament for, like when WCS Kr was really Protoss dominated.
Pretty much this.
It's pretty retarded to say P is imba atm. :/
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On September 13 2014 18:03 stuchiu wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2014 18:01 Ctesias wrote:On September 13 2014 18:01 MorroW wrote:
no idea why some pros even try 1111 vs toss anymore, hero defended it without scouting lol. hero truly amazing pvt Worked for TY in the Proleague finals. Cause Classic went nexus first every time he played on Frost vs Terran. There was no scouting data that suggested herO would go nexus first on overgrwoth. Flash just gambled cause he lost confidence or he thought he had a read.
True, but just saying it sometimes works under the right circumstances.
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