EPT[IEM] Season IX - Toronto Day 4 - Page 202
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Please stop making stupid polls just for the sake of making polls. | ||
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NguN
Australia1322 Posts
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Jett.Jack.Alvir
Canada2250 Posts
On September 01 2014 10:56 Fecalfeast wrote: YOU EASTERN PROVINCES WOULD LIKE THAT WOULDN'T YOU? ANOTHER THING BC GETS NONE OF I GET IT... Seriously though. IEM Vancouver please Well I wouldn't mind, but I can't drive to Vancouver so… Either way, as long as another event is held in Canada!!! | ||
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Sigh
Canada2433 Posts
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Silvana
3713 Posts
On September 01 2014 11:46 Die4Ever wrote: I don't think I can lol Maybe that's how you feel lol, I already have someone on reddit trying to tell me that it's BS that Flash only has a 10% chance to win GSL, even though he's only in the round of 16 lol. Oh yes I've read things like that too... I was talking about the majority of us here in TL. But yeah now that I think of it maybe there is more people in the bandwagon than I thought  | ||
Jer99
Canada8159 Posts
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Kingsky
Singapore298 Posts
Jaedong vs Flash | ||
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RandomPlayer
Russian Federation400 Posts
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orvinreyes
577 Posts
On September 01 2014 10:36 Tanzklaue wrote: it's funny that a flash fan talks about others being overrated. let's be real. flash won 1 premier tournament that had a prizemoney of 10k. 1. his streak of dominance is 2 months now. 2. it's the same overhyping as with classic after he won the GSL. everyone called him the "best palyer ever", the "unbeatable protoss holy shit better than rain and zest". now nobody talks about classic anymore, because he didn't do anything after winning that title. if anything, classic is much closer to becoming the next seed than he is to becoming the next zest. what i want to say is: if flash still is competitively releavant in 2 months, then he will take his place in the hall of champions, together with all the other all time greats. if he isn't, then he will be jsut another one hit wonder that LR regulars will pull up whenever they talk about a player who used to be good. i don't give a flying fuck about him being god in sc:bw. sc2 is another domain, and in this domain we only know the legends of the kind of wings, the creator of the universe and the summer of taeja. It's not so much his achievements in BW nor SC2 that are reasons for the hype or fanboyism, as those results are mere symptoms. The hype really is behind such a champion's mindset to accept changes, overcome the toughest challenges, and be willing to prove himself time and time again. I doubt there is anyone else in the scene with this degree of a champion mindset. Flash tried his hardest to win even when things weren't convenient. He kept winning in BW after wrist surgery (where's Mvp hiding anyway? can't handle and expansion pack?). Even Taeja said that he doesn't want to compete again in KR because it's "too hard". Jaedong? Fled early, racked up some points, but look at him now, always eliminated in early rounds. Hyun, MC? When did they grab those WCS points again? Oh right... convenient times. Tennis fans can liken this to Federer's champion mindset: practicing, playing, winning and still setting records beyond his supposed prime. He never said, "oh there are younger and stronger players these days and the balls and surfaces are faster so I'm out kthxbye." Sure he no longer always wins unlike his 2004-2008 streak, but there's a reason beyond his prizes and achievements that people continue to rally behind him until today. | ||
nimdil
Poland3764 Posts
On September 01 2014 08:15 Ace Frehley wrote: Strange how Taeja has better vT, better vZ and better vP ELO than Flash, but still falls behind in the overall ELO Actually only vT and vP is higher, vZ is better for Flash (2218 > 2194). These ratings are not really dependent on each other (strictly speaking) IIRC so it's not really that dramatic, although it's kind of interesting. | ||
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Zerg.Zilla
Hungary5029 Posts
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rawrx
United States380 Posts
On September 01 2014 15:18 orvinreyes wrote: It's not so much his achievements in BW nor SC2 that are reasons for the hype or fanboyism, as those results are mere symptoms. The hype really is behind such a champion's mindset to accept changes, overcome the toughest challenges, and be willing to prove himself time and time again. I doubt there is anyone else in the scene with this degree of a champion mindset. Flash tried his hardest to win even when things weren't convenient. He kept winning in BW after wrist surgery (where's Mvp hiding anyway? can't handle and expansion pack?). Even Taeja said that he doesn't want to compete again in KR because it's "too hard". Jaedong? Fled early, racked up some points, but look at him now, always eliminated in early rounds. Hyun, MC? When did they grab those WCS points again? Oh right... convenient times. Tennis fans can liken this to Federer's champion mindset: practicing, playing, winning and still setting records beyond his supposed prime. He never said, "oh there are younger and stronger players these days and the balls and surfaces are faster so I'm out kthxbye." Sure he no longer always wins unlike his 2004-2008 streak, but there's a reason beyond his prizes and achievements that people continue to rally behind him until today. couldn't have said it better myself!!!! | ||
Zealously
East Gorteau22261 Posts
On September 01 2014 15:14 RandomPlayer wrote: front page spoiler.. this site never fails to upset I suggest ticking "Hide Spoilers" on the front page or not visiting TL until you've watched the tournament. | ||
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lastride
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ElBlanco
Australia140 Posts
On September 01 2014 15:18 orvinreyes wrote: It's not so much his achievements in BW nor SC2 that are reasons for the hype or fanboyism, as those results are mere symptoms. The hype really is behind such a champion's mindset to accept changes, overcome the toughest challenges, and be willing to prove himself time and time again. I doubt there is anyone else in the scene with this degree of a champion mindset. Flash tried his hardest to win even when things weren't convenient. He kept winning in BW after wrist surgery (where's Mvp hiding anyway? can't handle and expansion pack?). Even Taeja said that he doesn't want to compete again in KR because it's "too hard". Jaedong? Fled early, racked up some points, but look at him now, always eliminated in early rounds. Hyun, MC? When did they grab those WCS points again? Oh right... convenient times. Just a few points here. Firstly because you're privy to more information than i am, exactly what wrist conditions do flash and MVP have and what are the exact extent of their injuries? If you can't answer that then you really shouldn't be questioning how well they handle their injuries. Also we're talking about a champion mindset, the fact that a player becomes worse doesn't mean they don't have the right mindset, it could just mean they simply aren't good enough (or in MVP's case they're struggling with injury). I think MVP proved himself plenty of times. I don't really see what you're trying to say with MC and hyun. They both enjoy competing in foreign tournaments and are exceptionally good at that, so they made the smart decision and decided to play overseas. It's not like a Jaedong situation where they became sh*t either, both players have continued to perform well despite not having the benefit of training in Korea (both have showed they can compete with kespa players, heck MC did beat flash this IEM). I don't see how anyone can really question MC either of all players. He was basically the only protoss who managed to really compete well when protoss were absolute garbage in WoL. He has also been competitive in SC2 for longer than any other player. He won his first GSL in 2010 and yet here he is in 2014 still capable of taking series of a player like flash. Flash is awesome and he clearly has the mindset of a champion. It's obvious why he's so popular, he's basically the best BW player of all time and he is essentially the only BW champion to really make the switch so successfully. I don't think you need to insult other players and their achievements to come to this conclusion though. | ||
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rysecake
United States2632 Posts
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gingerfluffmuff
Austria4570 Posts
On September 01 2014 14:29 Kingsky wrote: i dream of the day the finals will once again be: Jaedong vs Flash Jaedong doesnt play in SPL, no way he will catch up to the top 16 koreans. | ||
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iloveav
Poland1482 Posts
If yu look at the games that MC played vs flash in the group stage, you can clearly see that Flash adapted decently to MC after their first encounter. But if it would be an elimination match, Flash would be out (he would not play MC a second time). In a game that is so easy to play very well (not perfect, just very well), tricks, mind games and similar can easily overcome a small lack in skill, beating better opponents. So... Im happy for Flash, but I dont expect him to dominate everything, neither fall from grace :D. | ||
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XDEKSDEEXD
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bo1b
Australia12814 Posts
On September 01 2014 16:57 iloveav wrote: Most people dont realize that SC2 is so different from BW that having a player "be the best" for a long period of time is simply not probable, no matter their skill. If yu look at the games that MC played vs flash in the group stage, you can clearly see that Flash adapted decently to MC after their first encounter. But if it would be an elimination match, Flash would be out (he would not play MC a second time). In a game that is so easy to play very well (not perfect, just very well), tricks, mind games and similar can easily overcome a small lack in skill, beating better opponents. So... Im happy for Flash, but I dont expect him to dominate everything, neither fall from grace :D. Only applies v protoss when theres such a range of bullshit compositions and builds to play against. Innovation showed that a standard terran can win against fucking everything as well btw until the ludicrous nerf before, so basically, you're wrong. | ||
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riyanme
Philippines940 Posts
On August 31 2014 12:54 riyanme wrote: the finals should only be ZEST vs FLASH One of the firsts to believe!  I hope flash wins the next tournas he'll be into. We need to proclaim his status BONJWA on sc2 and starcraft in general. | ||
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