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SatedSC2
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
England3012 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-22 19:59:46
August 22 2014 19:58 GMT
#781
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SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
August 22 2014 20:00 GMT
#782
On August 23 2014 04:58 SatedSC2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2014 04:56 Roachu wrote:
On August 23 2014 04:52 SatedSC2 wrote:
On August 23 2014 04:50 Roachu wrote:
On August 23 2014 04:47 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
On August 23 2014 04:45 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
On August 23 2014 04:44 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
On August 23 2014 04:43 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
On August 23 2014 04:41 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
On August 23 2014 04:40 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
you're not supposed to lose 4 workers to the reaper? I lose that on average

How it feels to be in gold.


shit sucks man. I take it way too seriously for how terrible I am too

I always work on my standard play too, which makes me want to do better.


Yup, I never all in or cheese. Which I should probably start doing since it's basically free wins in gold

I do it when I feel frustrated or I see like a protoss on a map I'm not confident on. At least that's what I did a few months ago. Some satisfying 6 and 10 pools lemme tell you.

I haven't played seriously for over a year but I was a gold leaguer when I stopped and I don't think you should ever cheese when you're below diamond. I used to go 9 pool into two base muta in ZvP because it was hella fun but that did nothing for my macro practice, which was the bane of every other match up.

Saying that people shouldn't cheese at a low-level is like saying a new piano player should skip Twinkle Twinkle Little Star and skip straight to Chopin or whatever...

Reverse that sentence and I might agree...

Cheese is easier to learn, more obvious benchmarks, and produces shorter games. Combined, these factors make it easier for low-level players to analyse their mistakes and develop their early game mechanics. They also split the game into separate macro/micro phases so the player can develop those skills sequentially instead of getting overly perplexed by attempting to do too much at once. They can then move onto two-base all-ins (similar reasoning, more difficult to execute) and then move onto taking a third base and playing the macro game. You've gotta learn to walk before you can run. Most Gold players can't even 4 Gate properly, yet alone macro properly on 3 bases.


I can barely macro on 1 base, so it would probably be good for me.
Community News"As long as you have a warp prism you can't be bad at harassment" - Maru | @SetGuitars2Kill
ragz_gt
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
9172 Posts
August 22 2014 20:00 GMT
#783
On August 23 2014 04:55 Loccstana wrote:
Shows that given enough skill difference, any army composition is viable (except mass workers).

I'm not an otaku, I'm a specialist.
Jono7272
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom6330 Posts
August 22 2014 20:01 GMT
#784
Umm.. okay then.
Innovation | Flash | Mvp | Byun | TY
Roachu
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden692 Posts
August 22 2014 20:02 GMT
#785
On August 23 2014 04:58 SatedSC2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2014 04:56 Roachu wrote:
On August 23 2014 04:52 SatedSC2 wrote:
On August 23 2014 04:50 Roachu wrote:
On August 23 2014 04:47 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
On August 23 2014 04:45 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
On August 23 2014 04:44 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
On August 23 2014 04:43 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
On August 23 2014 04:41 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
On August 23 2014 04:40 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
you're not supposed to lose 4 workers to the reaper? I lose that on average

How it feels to be in gold.


shit sucks man. I take it way too seriously for how terrible I am too

I always work on my standard play too, which makes me want to do better.


Yup, I never all in or cheese. Which I should probably start doing since it's basically free wins in gold

I do it when I feel frustrated or I see like a protoss on a map I'm not confident on. At least that's what I did a few months ago. Some satisfying 6 and 10 pools lemme tell you.

I haven't played seriously for over a year but I was a gold leaguer when I stopped and I don't think you should ever cheese when you're below diamond. I used to go 9 pool into two base muta in ZvP because it was hella fun but that did nothing for my macro practice, which was the bane of every other match up.

Saying that people shouldn't cheese at a low-level is like saying a new piano player should skip Twinkle Twinkle Little Star and skip straight to Chopin or whatever...

Reverse that sentence and I might agree...

Cheese is easier to learn, more obvious benchmarks, and produced shorter games. Combined, these factors make it easier for low-level players to analyse their mistakes and develop their early game mechanics. They can then move onto two-base all-ins and then move onto taking a third base. You've gotta learn to walk before you can run. Most Gold players can't even 4 Gate properly, yet alone macro properly on 3 bases.

Macro is the base of everything in Starcraft. If you can macro properly without getting distracted you can reach diamond with little to no strategy at all, just build units and expand without getting supply capped. A successful cheese is based on the current meta which is based on high level play. Saying a cheese is like riding a bike with training wheels is entirely missing the point. You say you gotta learn to walk before you can run, but walking in this case is macro. Beating Usain Bolt in a 100 m run is micro.
Don't be asshats
Noonius
Profile Joined April 2012
Estonia17413 Posts
August 22 2014 20:02 GMT
#786
she sounds like your typical sorority girl
Terran forever | Maru hater forever
Xoronius
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany6362 Posts
August 22 2014 20:03 GMT
#787
On August 23 2014 04:57 BaneRiders wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2014 04:32 Xoronius wrote:
On August 23 2014 04:27 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
On August 23 2014 04:25 BaneRiders wrote:
Cool beans, Bunny vs Hyun in Ro32. Action straight off the bat!

Please, Fenner vs PLZLEAVEDUCK is gonna be that match.

Ouch, Bunny really has bad luck with seeding. First Sacsri in challenger, now this. Well, I guess, I have to hope, that he can repeat his G3-performance.

Edit: Oops, quoted wrong post.


I'd say the unlucky one here is Hyun.

Both of them tbh. the chances were decent to play an american in the ro32 and then get the first player out of Korea/Snute/Bunny in the ro16. This happening earlier is probably not that good news for either of them.
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
August 22 2014 20:03 GMT
#788
She is pretty serious about facing supernova :o
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Lorning *
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgica34432 Posts
August 22 2014 20:03 GMT
#789
She's against SuNo

Poor girl
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Larkin
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United Kingdom7161 Posts
August 22 2014 20:03 GMT
#790
On August 23 2014 04:58 SatedSC2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2014 04:56 Roachu wrote:
On August 23 2014 04:52 SatedSC2 wrote:
On August 23 2014 04:50 Roachu wrote:
On August 23 2014 04:47 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
On August 23 2014 04:45 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
On August 23 2014 04:44 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
On August 23 2014 04:43 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
On August 23 2014 04:41 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
On August 23 2014 04:40 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
you're not supposed to lose 4 workers to the reaper? I lose that on average

How it feels to be in gold.


shit sucks man. I take it way too seriously for how terrible I am too

I always work on my standard play too, which makes me want to do better.


Yup, I never all in or cheese. Which I should probably start doing since it's basically free wins in gold

I do it when I feel frustrated or I see like a protoss on a map I'm not confident on. At least that's what I did a few months ago. Some satisfying 6 and 10 pools lemme tell you.

I haven't played seriously for over a year but I was a gold leaguer when I stopped and I don't think you should ever cheese when you're below diamond. I used to go 9 pool into two base muta in ZvP because it was hella fun but that did nothing for my macro practice, which was the bane of every other match up.

Saying that people shouldn't cheese at a low-level is like saying a new piano player should skip Twinkle Twinkle Little Star and skip straight to Chopin or whatever...

Reverse that sentence and I might agree...

Cheese is easier to learn, more obvious benchmarks, and produces shorter games. Combined, these factors make it easier for low-level players to analyse their mistakes and develop their early game mechanics. They also split the game into separate macro/micro phases so the player can develop those skills sequentially instead of getting overly perplexed by attempting to do too much at once. They can then move onto two-base all-ins (similar reasoning, more difficult to execute) and then move onto taking a third base and playing the macro game. You've gotta learn to walk before you can run. Most Gold players can't even 4 Gate properly, yet alone macro properly on 3 bases.


I think you're overestimating what a lot of players want from SC2. It's not to have a platform to improve. It's just to have fun. Playing SC2 "properly" is extremely difficult and stressful. Not what people want from a game, necessarily.

https://www.twitch.tv/ttalarkin - streams random stuff, high level teamleague, maybe even heroleague
KingofdaHipHop
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
United States25602 Posts
August 22 2014 20:04 GMT
#791
She seems pretty confident in taking on a Code S terran.
Rain | herO | sOs | Dear | Neeb | ByuN | INnoVation | Dream | ForGG | Maru | ByuL | Golden | Solar | Soulkey | Scarlett!!!
SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
August 22 2014 20:04 GMT
#792
What league is she? She's friends with scarlett and henry apparently so those are some pretty good players to get advice and help from.
Community News"As long as you have a warp prism you can't be bad at harassment" - Maru | @SetGuitars2Kill
Noonius
Profile Joined April 2012
Estonia17413 Posts
August 22 2014 20:04 GMT
#793
On August 23 2014 05:03 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
She is pretty serious about facing supernova :o


if she takes a map, my mind will be blown
Terran forever | Maru hater forever
Xoronius
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany6362 Posts
August 22 2014 20:04 GMT
#794
On August 23 2014 05:02 Noonius wrote:
she sounds like your typical sorority girl

How would you define that? (In Germany, there are (at least AFAIK) no sororities (or very few at most))
Epamynondas
Profile Joined September 2012
387 Posts
August 22 2014 20:05 GMT
#795
On August 23 2014 05:02 Roachu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2014 04:58 SatedSC2 wrote:
On August 23 2014 04:56 Roachu wrote:
On August 23 2014 04:52 SatedSC2 wrote:
On August 23 2014 04:50 Roachu wrote:
On August 23 2014 04:47 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
On August 23 2014 04:45 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
On August 23 2014 04:44 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
On August 23 2014 04:43 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
On August 23 2014 04:41 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
[quote]
How it feels to be in gold.


shit sucks man. I take it way too seriously for how terrible I am too

I always work on my standard play too, which makes me want to do better.


Yup, I never all in or cheese. Which I should probably start doing since it's basically free wins in gold

I do it when I feel frustrated or I see like a protoss on a map I'm not confident on. At least that's what I did a few months ago. Some satisfying 6 and 10 pools lemme tell you.

I haven't played seriously for over a year but I was a gold leaguer when I stopped and I don't think you should ever cheese when you're below diamond. I used to go 9 pool into two base muta in ZvP because it was hella fun but that did nothing for my macro practice, which was the bane of every other match up.

Saying that people shouldn't cheese at a low-level is like saying a new piano player should skip Twinkle Twinkle Little Star and skip straight to Chopin or whatever...

Reverse that sentence and I might agree...

Cheese is easier to learn, more obvious benchmarks, and produced shorter games. Combined, these factors make it easier for low-level players to analyse their mistakes and develop their early game mechanics. They can then move onto two-base all-ins and then move onto taking a third base. You've gotta learn to walk before you can run. Most Gold players can't even 4 Gate properly, yet alone macro properly on 3 bases.

Macro is the base of everything in Starcraft. If you can macro properly without getting distracted you can reach diamond with little to no strategy at all, just build units and expand without getting supply capped. A successful cheese is based on the current meta which is based on high level play. Saying a cheese is like riding a bike with training wheels is entirely missing the point. You say you gotta learn to walk before you can run, but walking in this case is macro. Beating Usain Bolt in a 100 m run is micro.


The thing is, if you're bad enough, even the macro required to successfully perform a 4gate is challenging.

Source: I'm silver.
SatedSC2
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
England3012 Posts
August 22 2014 20:05 GMT
#796
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chipmonklord17
Profile Joined February 2011
United States11944 Posts
August 22 2014 20:06 GMT
#797
On August 23 2014 05:04 Xoronius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2014 05:02 Noonius wrote:
she sounds like your typical sorority girl

How would you define that? (In Germany, there are (at least AFAIK) no sororities (or very few at most))


I think the term he's really looking for is Valley girl. Its all about the inflection in your sentences while you're speaking. Its a trait quite a few sorority girls have but I know plenty without it
KingofdaHipHop
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
United States25602 Posts
August 22 2014 20:07 GMT
#798
I would love to see Henry do well this weekend.
Rain | herO | sOs | Dear | Neeb | ByuN | INnoVation | Dream | ForGG | Maru | ByuL | Golden | Solar | Soulkey | Scarlett!!!
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
August 22 2014 20:08 GMT
#799
Siv looks like a caucasian Major
Neosteel Enthusiast
KingofdaHipHop
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
United States25602 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-22 20:10:10
August 22 2014 20:09 GMT
#800
[image loading]

I wish Plzleaveduck actually won.
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