On August 21 2014 03:53 Lorning wrote:
Suddenly they're distracted by the background
Suddenly they're distracted by the background
ADD Apollo? Addollo?
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States44368 Posts
On August 21 2014 03:53 Lorning wrote: Suddenly they're distracted by the background ADD Apollo? Addollo? | ||
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Netherlands30548 Posts
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JustPassingBy
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States44368 Posts
On August 21 2014 03:54 chipmonklord17 wrote: Show nested quote + On August 21 2014 03:52 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: On August 21 2014 03:50 chipmonklord17 wrote: Anyone else find it silly that a protoss with no upgrades vs a 2-2 terran still ends well for the toss (ala hero) AND a protoss on 2-2 vs a 2-0 terran also ends well for the toss? I feel like something is just wrong with that picture Um well that's actually consistent (if a Protoss can win with less upgrades, he can certainly win the more upgrades), but herO's upgrade-less set was unique and had such fast research and a high unit count that the splash damage and general unit composition trumped the upgrade problem. I guess the idea is more of even if you reverse the situation it still ends well for the protoss (when in theory the idea SHOULD be that the results are also flipped). And I understand WHY it worked, I just don't like it ![]() Ah okay. Yeah you're also comparing herO to Morrow lol... | ||
thebigrobo
United States16 Posts
On August 21 2014 03:54 [PkF] Wire wrote: Show nested quote + On August 21 2014 03:52 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: On August 21 2014 03:50 chipmonklord17 wrote: Anyone else find it silly that a protoss with no upgrades vs a 2-2 terran still ends well for the toss (ala hero) AND a protoss on 2-2 vs a 2-0 terran also ends well for the toss? I feel like something is just wrong with that picture Um well that's actually consistent (if a Protoss can win with less upgrades, he can certainly win the more upgrades), but herO's upgrade-less set was unique and had such fast research and a high unit count that the splash damage and general unit composition trumped the upgrade problem. His opponent just wasn't prepared for the odd build. Yeah, this herO - Bbyong game was probably a one-time oddity between two teammates. OR PROTOSS OP #halflife3confirmed (jk jk) | ||
JustPassingBy
10776 Posts
On August 21 2014 03:54 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: PvT's have gotten a lot more boring ![]() I think it will take a while for protoss to figure out how to beat scv pulls. As seen in the last game, they are easily beatable, if the colossi shots land in the bio. But if they engage the scvs instead, the protoss dies horribly. | ||
chipmonklord17
United States11944 Posts
On August 21 2014 03:55 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Show nested quote + On August 21 2014 03:54 chipmonklord17 wrote: On August 21 2014 03:52 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: On August 21 2014 03:50 chipmonklord17 wrote: Anyone else find it silly that a protoss with no upgrades vs a 2-2 terran still ends well for the toss (ala hero) AND a protoss on 2-2 vs a 2-0 terran also ends well for the toss? I feel like something is just wrong with that picture Um well that's actually consistent (if a Protoss can win with less upgrades, he can certainly win the more upgrades), but herO's upgrade-less set was unique and had such fast research and a high unit count that the splash damage and general unit composition trumped the upgrade problem. I guess the idea is more of even if you reverse the situation it still ends well for the protoss (when in theory the idea SHOULD be that the results are also flipped). And I understand WHY it worked, I just don't like it ![]() Ah okay. Yeah you're also comparing herO to Morrow lol... To a point if you scale down both players skill level the same ideas should hold true. Obviously not the case if youre comparing say herO vs bbyong and two plat players. | ||
Fanatic-Templar
Canada5819 Posts
On August 21 2014 03:54 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: PvT's have gotten a lot more boring ![]() Legacy of the Khaydarin Amulet nerf. | ||
chipmonklord17
United States11944 Posts
On August 21 2014 03:57 Fanatic-Templar wrote: Show nested quote + On August 21 2014 03:54 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: PvT's have gotten a lot more boring ![]() Legacy of the Khaydarin Amulet nerf. Well if san wasn't so good with warping in templar than the amulet would still be here | ||
[PkF] Wire
France24203 Posts
On August 21 2014 03:54 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: PvT's have gotten a lot more boring ![]() I guess you enjoyed the blink all-ins times more ? I prefer that, at least sometimes the game normalizes after the scv pull and it can get fun. (and I must admit I find those scv trains quite hilarious, but that's undoubtedly a not widespread personal taste) | ||
sharkie
Austria18413 Posts
On August 21 2014 03:54 [PkF] Wire wrote: Show nested quote + On August 21 2014 03:52 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: On August 21 2014 03:50 chipmonklord17 wrote: Anyone else find it silly that a protoss with no upgrades vs a 2-2 terran still ends well for the toss (ala hero) AND a protoss on 2-2 vs a 2-0 terran also ends well for the toss? I feel like something is just wrong with that picture Um well that's actually consistent (if a Protoss can win with less upgrades, he can certainly win the more upgrades), but herO's upgrade-less set was unique and had such fast research and a high unit count that the splash damage and general unit composition trumped the upgrade problem. His opponent just wasn't prepared for the odd build. Yeah, this herO - Bbyong game was probably a one-time oddity between two teammates. Nope. herO beat even Cure with that build. | ||
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stuchiu
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On August 21 2014 03:57 Fanatic-Templar wrote: Show nested quote + On August 21 2014 03:54 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: PvT's have gotten a lot more boring ![]() Legacy of the Khaydarin Amulet nerf. San was literally the only Protoss who used it. I'm pretty certain no other Protosses even realized HTs were good in PvT. | ||
JustPassingBy
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KingofdaHipHop
United States25602 Posts
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chipmonklord17
United States11944 Posts
On August 21 2014 03:58 stuchiu wrote: Show nested quote + On August 21 2014 03:57 Fanatic-Templar wrote: On August 21 2014 03:54 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: PvT's have gotten a lot more boring ![]() Legacy of the Khaydarin Amulet nerf. San was literally the only Protoss who used it. I'm pretty certain no other Protosses even realized HTs were good in PvT. Artosis still owes us a sword | ||
Lorning
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Belgica34432 Posts
On August 21 2014 03:58 stuchiu wrote: Show nested quote + On August 21 2014 03:57 Fanatic-Templar wrote: On August 21 2014 03:54 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: PvT's have gotten a lot more boring ![]() Legacy of the Khaydarin Amulet nerf. San was literally the only Protoss who used it. I'm pretty certain no other Protosses even realized HTs were good in PvT. That's because every protoss all inned before they got to HT tech | ||
Pino
1032 Posts
On August 21 2014 03:57 [PkF] Wire wrote: Show nested quote + On August 21 2014 03:54 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: PvT's have gotten a lot more boring ![]() I guess you enjoyed the blink all-ins times more ? I prefer that, at least sometimes the game normalizes after the scv pull and it can get fun. Zealot archon was also quite imba on some maps | ||
ThomasjServo
15244 Posts
On August 21 2014 03:58 stuchiu wrote: Show nested quote + On August 21 2014 03:57 Fanatic-Templar wrote: On August 21 2014 03:54 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: PvT's have gotten a lot more boring ![]() Legacy of the Khaydarin Amulet nerf. San was literally the only Protoss who used it. I'm pretty certain no other Protosses even realized HTs were good in PvT. It was painful as hell in ZvP though, especially without self healing Mutas. | ||
[PkF] Wire
France24203 Posts
On August 21 2014 03:58 sharkie wrote: Show nested quote + On August 21 2014 03:54 [PkF] Wire wrote: On August 21 2014 03:52 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: On August 21 2014 03:50 chipmonklord17 wrote: Anyone else find it silly that a protoss with no upgrades vs a 2-2 terran still ends well for the toss (ala hero) AND a protoss on 2-2 vs a 2-0 terran also ends well for the toss? I feel like something is just wrong with that picture Um well that's actually consistent (if a Protoss can win with less upgrades, he can certainly win the more upgrades), but herO's upgrade-less set was unique and had such fast research and a high unit count that the splash damage and general unit composition trumped the upgrade problem. His opponent just wasn't prepared for the odd build. Yeah, this herO - Bbyong game was probably a one-time oddity between two teammates. Nope. herO beat even Cure with that build. During redbull ? I remember him winning quite decisively with phoenix colossi on KSS, not doing the no forges style. | ||
Fanatic-Templar
Canada5819 Posts
On August 21 2014 03:58 stuchiu wrote: Show nested quote + On August 21 2014 03:57 Fanatic-Templar wrote: On August 21 2014 03:54 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: PvT's have gotten a lot more boring ![]() Legacy of the Khaydarin Amulet nerf. San was literally the only Protoss who used it. I'm pretty certain no other Protosses even realized HTs were good in PvT. It's an ongoing thing. Khaydarin Amulet nerf was the beginning, the Widow Mine buffs are the most recent. Patching has strongly favoured Colossus over Templar. | ||
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