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Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12194 Posts
August 14 2014 23:07 GMT
#601
On August 15 2014 08:04 Darkhorse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2014 08:03 vult wrote:
Damn nice job by Hurricane, but it sounds like YoDa was close to having it in the bag.

YoDa won 2-1


Hard to notice things like that when Foreverkul is around
No will to live, no wish to die
Foreverkul
Profile Joined March 2014
United States1649 Posts
August 14 2014 23:07 GMT
#602
On August 15 2014 08:02 Darkhorse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2014 07:56 Foreverkul wrote:
How does 100 supply Protoss stand up to 200 supply Terran? Im confused

…

This not so subtle balance whining can best be equated to a protoss player asking why he lost to a Terran after being up 100 supply and then walking into a nuke. YoDa took a really bad fight and walked into storms with no splits. That'll happen.

You can exchange it with any race though. How can 100 supply of any race stand up against 200 supply of any race? How does 100 Terran supply stand against 200 zerg? How does 100 Zerg stand against 200 Protoss? Im just curious to what people think the reasons are.
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
August 14 2014 23:07 GMT
#603
I would probably cannon rush too if I knew I would be playing against some Solar ZvP
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Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
August 14 2014 23:08 GMT
#604
On August 15 2014 08:07 Foreverkul wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2014 08:02 Darkhorse wrote:
On August 15 2014 07:56 Foreverkul wrote:
How does 100 supply Protoss stand up to 200 supply Terran? Im confused

…

This not so subtle balance whining can best be equated to a protoss player asking why he lost to a Terran after being up 100 supply and then walking into a nuke. YoDa took a really bad fight and walked into storms with no splits. That'll happen.

You can exchange it with any race though. How can 100 supply of any race stand up against 200 supply of any race? How does 100 Terran supply stand against 200 zerg? How does 100 Zerg stand against 200 Protoss? Im just curious to what people think the reasons are.

Because the 200 supply player made a mistake. That's the answer. What do I win?
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DJHelium
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden13480 Posts
August 14 2014 23:08 GMT
#605
On August 15 2014 08:07 Darkhorse wrote:
I would probably cannon rush too if I knew I would be playing against some Solar ZvP


I'm not sure if it's the stream quality or Sora being amazing, but that was the smoothest cannon rush I've seen.

Except for Has of course.
#1 player in the world atm: J-god | Follow me on twitter! @DJHelium
GTPGlitch
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
5061 Posts
August 14 2014 23:09 GMT
#606
OH MY GOD SKYHIGH BEAT POLT 2-0 WHAT THIS IS THE BEST DAY OF MY LIFE



was it casted? does anyone have a link to the vod? I'll love you forever :3
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geokilla
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada8240 Posts
August 14 2014 23:09 GMT
#607
On August 15 2014 08:05 Darkhorse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2014 08:04 Foreverkul wrote:
On August 15 2014 07:58 DJHelium wrote:
On August 15 2014 07:56 Foreverkul wrote:
How does 100 supply Protoss stand up to 200 supply Terran? Im confused


It didn't, he lost the game.

But if you talk about that engagement where Yoda lost a lot to storm, just imagine a terran player walking 30+ marines into a couple of banelings. It's not cost effective if the terran splits, but if you clump up and tank the hits you lose all your units.

How come Terran don't have anything that can do that? I guess there is widow mine but they aren't mobile like storm and banelings. Terran should be able to manual cast widow mines!

If widow mines were manual cast how would one both split and cast widow mines at the same time? There are probably like 30 Terrans in the world who could multitask well enough to make that work

Except you can manual cast them can't you? I've been able to target them against the unit I want it to aim at a few times. I wish I can actually stop a Widow Mine from casting aside from unburrowing then burrowing the unit again.
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
August 14 2014 23:09 GMT
#608
On August 15 2014 08:08 DJHelium wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2014 08:07 Darkhorse wrote:
I would probably cannon rush too if I knew I would be playing against some Solar ZvP


I'm not sure if it's the stream quality or Sora being amazing, but that was the smoothest cannon rush I've seen.

Except for Has of course.

No one beats Has in cannon rushing. Not even Combatex
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vult
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United States9400 Posts
August 14 2014 23:10 GMT
#609
On August 15 2014 08:04 Darkhorse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2014 08:03 vult wrote:
Damn nice job by Hurricane, but it sounds like YoDa was close to having it in the bag.

YoDa won 2-1


Haha shit that is embarrassing. I'm on my phone reading the thread while I'm out and it seemed that, from the whining going on in here, that he got Protossed. Grats to Yoda then!! :D
I used to play random, but for you I play very specifically.
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-14 23:11:00
August 14 2014 23:10 GMT
#610
Cannon rush into 2-2-2? Nvm, only 2-1-2.
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[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24203 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-14 23:11:10
August 14 2014 23:10 GMT
#611
On August 15 2014 08:07 Foreverkul wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2014 08:02 Darkhorse wrote:
On August 15 2014 07:56 Foreverkul wrote:
How does 100 supply Protoss stand up to 200 supply Terran? Im confused

…

This not so subtle balance whining can best be equated to a protoss player asking why he lost to a Terran after being up 100 supply and then walking into a nuke. YoDa took a really bad fight and walked into storms with no splits. That'll happen.

You can exchange it with any race though. How can 100 supply of any race stand up against 200 supply of any race? How does 100 Terran supply stand against 200 zerg? How does 100 Zerg stand against 200 Protoss? Im just curious to what people think the reasons are.


100 vs 200 never works in any situation (or stupid things like 200 supply of zerglings against mech). 130-140 vs 200 can work in some scenarios though, probably more strikingly in PvZ if the Z is on roach hydra or roach ling. This is called cost efficiency, some armies (swarm hosts / infestors based Z ones, mech, heavy upgraded toss in PvT) have it and can fight from a supply deficit and a tech or composition advantage.
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
August 14 2014 23:10 GMT
#612
On August 15 2014 08:09 geokilla wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2014 08:05 Darkhorse wrote:
On August 15 2014 08:04 Foreverkul wrote:
On August 15 2014 07:58 DJHelium wrote:
On August 15 2014 07:56 Foreverkul wrote:
How does 100 supply Protoss stand up to 200 supply Terran? Im confused


It didn't, he lost the game.

But if you talk about that engagement where Yoda lost a lot to storm, just imagine a terran player walking 30+ marines into a couple of banelings. It's not cost effective if the terran splits, but if you clump up and tank the hits you lose all your units.

How come Terran don't have anything that can do that? I guess there is widow mine but they aren't mobile like storm and banelings. Terran should be able to manual cast widow mines!

If widow mines were manual cast how would one both split and cast widow mines at the same time? There are probably like 30 Terrans in the world who could multitask well enough to make that work

Except you can manual cast them can't you? I've been able to target them against the unit I want it to aim at a few times. I wish I can actually stop a Widow Mine from casting aside from unburrowing then burrowing the unit again.

If you select a widow mine and spam click on a certain unit you can target it on that particular unit I think? All I know is that I play with ~160 eapm and there is almost no way I could effectively target with mines and split my bio against the banes
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Foreverkul
Profile Joined March 2014
United States1649 Posts
August 14 2014 23:11 GMT
#613
On August 15 2014 08:08 Darkhorse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2014 08:07 Foreverkul wrote:
On August 15 2014 08:02 Darkhorse wrote:
On August 15 2014 07:56 Foreverkul wrote:
How does 100 supply Protoss stand up to 200 supply Terran? Im confused

…

This not so subtle balance whining can best be equated to a protoss player asking why he lost to a Terran after being up 100 supply and then walking into a nuke. YoDa took a really bad fight and walked into storms with no splits. That'll happen.

You can exchange it with any race though. How can 100 supply of any race stand up against 200 supply of any race? How does 100 Terran supply stand against 200 zerg? How does 100 Zerg stand against 200 Protoss? Im just curious to what people think the reasons are.

Because the 200 supply player made a mistake. That's the answer. What do I win?

I think that's a bit of an oversimplification. I'm sure skillful play and good choices (like backdoor DTs, or baneling mines, viper pulls, widow mine shots, EMPs) can help bring it back.
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24203 Posts
August 14 2014 23:12 GMT
#614
Solar is so ahead it's unfathomable right ?
geokilla
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada8240 Posts
August 14 2014 23:12 GMT
#615
On August 15 2014 08:10 Darkhorse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2014 08:09 geokilla wrote:
On August 15 2014 08:05 Darkhorse wrote:
On August 15 2014 08:04 Foreverkul wrote:
On August 15 2014 07:58 DJHelium wrote:
On August 15 2014 07:56 Foreverkul wrote:
How does 100 supply Protoss stand up to 200 supply Terran? Im confused


It didn't, he lost the game.

But if you talk about that engagement where Yoda lost a lot to storm, just imagine a terran player walking 30+ marines into a couple of banelings. It's not cost effective if the terran splits, but if you clump up and tank the hits you lose all your units.

How come Terran don't have anything that can do that? I guess there is widow mine but they aren't mobile like storm and banelings. Terran should be able to manual cast widow mines!

If widow mines were manual cast how would one both split and cast widow mines at the same time? There are probably like 30 Terrans in the world who could multitask well enough to make that work

Except you can manual cast them can't you? I've been able to target them against the unit I want it to aim at a few times. I wish I can actually stop a Widow Mine from casting aside from unburrowing then burrowing the unit again.

If you select a widow mine and spam click on a certain unit you can target it on that particular unit I think? All I know is that I play with ~160 eapm and there is almost no way I could effectively target with mines and split my bio against the banes

That's what I was talking about when I said manually cast. Or target would be a better choice of words.

We can't, but the best Terran players can. We've seen it before.
KingAlphard
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Italy1705 Posts
August 14 2014 23:12 GMT
#616
130 supply to 70, and it's a 2 base all in lol.
DJHelium
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden13480 Posts
August 14 2014 23:12 GMT
#617
On August 15 2014 08:12 [PkF] Wire wrote:
Solar is so ahead it's unfathomable right ?


Yes
#1 player in the world atm: J-god | Follow me on twitter! @DJHelium
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
August 14 2014 23:12 GMT
#618
On August 15 2014 08:11 Foreverkul wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2014 08:08 Darkhorse wrote:
On August 15 2014 08:07 Foreverkul wrote:
On August 15 2014 08:02 Darkhorse wrote:
On August 15 2014 07:56 Foreverkul wrote:
How does 100 supply Protoss stand up to 200 supply Terran? Im confused

…

This not so subtle balance whining can best be equated to a protoss player asking why he lost to a Terran after being up 100 supply and then walking into a nuke. YoDa took a really bad fight and walked into storms with no splits. That'll happen.

You can exchange it with any race though. How can 100 supply of any race stand up against 200 supply of any race? How does 100 Terran supply stand against 200 zerg? How does 100 Zerg stand against 200 Protoss? Im just curious to what people think the reasons are.

Because the 200 supply player made a mistake. That's the answer. What do I win?

I think that's a bit of an oversimplification. I'm sure skillful play and good choices (like backdoor DTs, or baneling mines, viper pulls, widow mine shots, EMPs) can help bring it back.

Ok so we have limited the choices to 1) the player in the lead messed up or 2) the player that was behind played well.

So why are you whining?
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Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
August 14 2014 23:13 GMT
#619
On August 15 2014 08:12 geokilla wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2014 08:10 Darkhorse wrote:
On August 15 2014 08:09 geokilla wrote:
On August 15 2014 08:05 Darkhorse wrote:
On August 15 2014 08:04 Foreverkul wrote:
On August 15 2014 07:58 DJHelium wrote:
On August 15 2014 07:56 Foreverkul wrote:
How does 100 supply Protoss stand up to 200 supply Terran? Im confused


It didn't, he lost the game.

But if you talk about that engagement where Yoda lost a lot to storm, just imagine a terran player walking 30+ marines into a couple of banelings. It's not cost effective if the terran splits, but if you clump up and tank the hits you lose all your units.

How come Terran don't have anything that can do that? I guess there is widow mine but they aren't mobile like storm and banelings. Terran should be able to manual cast widow mines!

If widow mines were manual cast how would one both split and cast widow mines at the same time? There are probably like 30 Terrans in the world who could multitask well enough to make that work

Except you can manual cast them can't you? I've been able to target them against the unit I want it to aim at a few times. I wish I can actually stop a Widow Mine from casting aside from unburrowing then burrowing the unit again.

If you select a widow mine and spam click on a certain unit you can target it on that particular unit I think? All I know is that I play with ~160 eapm and there is almost no way I could effectively target with mines and split my bio against the banes

That's what I was talking about when I said manually cast. Or target would be a better choice of words.

We can't, but the best Terran players can. We've seen it before.

Ehhh yeah they do but when a 200/200 ling bling muta army rolling in on even players like Innovation targeting with mines falls through the cracks
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[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24203 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-14 23:14:07
August 14 2014 23:13 GMT
#620
On August 15 2014 08:12 DJHelium wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2014 08:12 [PkF] Wire wrote:
Solar is so ahead it's unfathomable right ?


Yes


In before 100 supply of colossi + sentries beats 200 supply of roaches and the guy before comes and says "see ?" .

Edit : didn't happen of course, Solar too good for that !
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