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On August 05 2014 09:10 chipmonklord17 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2014 09:05 shabby wrote:On August 05 2014 08:53 geokilla wrote:On August 05 2014 08:38 shabby wrote:On August 05 2014 08:35 Vindicare605 wrote:On August 05 2014 08:30 eviltomahawk wrote:
Wow, the Jaedong anti-fans are out in force today. I, for one, would like to see Jaedong at Blizzcon again. He's done nothing to deserve being there this year. If Blizzcon wasn't hard capped at 16 players I'd have no problems with him being there. But Jaedong at Blizzcon over Maru, Innovation or Soulkey? Hard to justify. How doesn't he deserve it, he has gathered WCS points through the WCS system, just like everyone else. Maru and Soulkey has done nothing to deserve a blizzcon spot. Mainly because the team sends him everywhere to rack up those WCS points? A lot more deserving people deserve the WCS points instead. Players like Maru, TY, or Soulkey for example. He's basically taking advantage of the fact that the team lets him travel. If Maru, TY or Soulkey wanted to participate in more tournaments, I am sure they could acquire a foreign team willing to send them to some. If they don't want to do what the EU/NA koreans are doing and instead focus on Proleague and a single WCS tournament, then that's their fault. They do not deserve to participate in a tournament they don't even try to qualify for. Jaedong is so undeserving, building his name and skill and acquiring a good team on the back of it. Heh. Its no ones "fault" but Blizzard. This WCS system is beyond flawed. Hell if for every 10 weekend events outside of Korea we had one in Korea worth the same WCS points you'd still see an even better quality of players. Not to mention if you're argument is just "well they should just go to foreign teams" that would literally break the infrastructure of SC2 in Korea. If all the best players were going around the world there wouldn't BE a proleague.
Korea is one country and blizzcon is a global event. And yes, the greatest players reside and train in Korea, and that makes proleague and code S fantastic. But it doesn't give them the right to participate in global events on the back of playing good games against each other. Your point of having more WCS tournaments in korea is good, though.
But being a professional is about making the best out of a situation. And right now the situation is that if you want to compete in WCS tournaments, you need to have the financial backing from a team that wants you to compete in them. Clearly these players do not want to complete in WCS tournaments more than they want to reside in korea and play in Proleague.
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@The_Red_Viper No I won't blame KESPA for this mess, this mess lies entirely on Blizzard for choosing to A: Reward WCS points to 3rd party tournaments and for B: Awarding SO MANY GODDAMN points to said tournaments.
It'd be one thing if the point gains were small and really only served as a tie breaker, but they aren't.
750 points for a top placing finish at Redbull Battlegrounds or G3? That's worth a Top 4 placing in WCS which takes place over a 2 month period and has enormous qualifiers that is open to anyone that wants to compete. G3? 3 players of the 16 in attendance qualified, the rest were invited.
Redbull Battlegrounds? Same story made up almost entirely of players that were invited.
That's a problem. Those tournaments should NOT be worth as many points as a top 4 finish in WCS. It's one thing if IEM or MLG that have enormous open brackets are worth a significant point total, but these other tournaments are awarding tons of points just for being a popular player.
It's not a fair system. It rewards popularity and team popularity more than anything else. If we wanted the system to be fair and accurately portray who is deserving of a Blizzcon spot, we'd multiply the points issued by WCS tournaments by a factor of 3. That would mean a player would have to win 3 foreign tournaments to earn the same amount of points as a top 4 finisher in WCS.
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On August 05 2014 09:17 shabby wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2014 09:10 chipmonklord17 wrote:On August 05 2014 09:05 shabby wrote:On August 05 2014 08:53 geokilla wrote:On August 05 2014 08:38 shabby wrote:On August 05 2014 08:35 Vindicare605 wrote:On August 05 2014 08:30 eviltomahawk wrote:
Wow, the Jaedong anti-fans are out in force today. I, for one, would like to see Jaedong at Blizzcon again. He's done nothing to deserve being there this year. If Blizzcon wasn't hard capped at 16 players I'd have no problems with him being there. But Jaedong at Blizzcon over Maru, Innovation or Soulkey? Hard to justify. How doesn't he deserve it, he has gathered WCS points through the WCS system, just like everyone else. Maru and Soulkey has done nothing to deserve a blizzcon spot. Mainly because the team sends him everywhere to rack up those WCS points? A lot more deserving people deserve the WCS points instead. Players like Maru, TY, or Soulkey for example. He's basically taking advantage of the fact that the team lets him travel. If Maru, TY or Soulkey wanted to participate in more tournaments, I am sure they could acquire a foreign team willing to send them to some. If they don't want to do what the EU/NA koreans are doing and instead focus on Proleague and a single WCS tournament, then that's their fault. They do not deserve to participate in a tournament they don't even try to qualify for. Jaedong is so undeserving, building his name and skill and acquiring a good team on the back of it. Heh. Its no ones "fault" but Blizzard. This WCS system is beyond flawed. Hell if for every 10 weekend events outside of Korea we had one in Korea worth the same WCS points you'd still see an even better quality of players. Not to mention if you're argument is just "well they should just go to foreign teams" that would literally break the infrastructure of SC2 in Korea. If all the best players were going around the world there wouldn't BE a proleague. Korea is one country and blizzcon is a global event. And yes, the greatest players reside and train in Korea, and that makes proleague and code S fantastic. But it doesn't give them the right to participate in global events on the back of playing good games against each other. Your point of having more WCS tournaments in korea is good, though. But being a professional is about making the best out of a situation. And right now the situation is that if you want to compete in WCS tournaments, you need to have the financial backing from a team that wants you to compete in them. Clearly these players do not want to complete in WCS tournaments more than they want to reside in korea and play in Proleague.
Thank you! Finally someone with common sense!
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On August 05 2014 09:16 KingAlphard wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2014 09:10 chipmonklord17 wrote:On August 05 2014 09:05 shabby wrote:On August 05 2014 08:53 geokilla wrote:On August 05 2014 08:38 shabby wrote:On August 05 2014 08:35 Vindicare605 wrote:On August 05 2014 08:30 eviltomahawk wrote:
Wow, the Jaedong anti-fans are out in force today. I, for one, would like to see Jaedong at Blizzcon again. He's done nothing to deserve being there this year. If Blizzcon wasn't hard capped at 16 players I'd have no problems with him being there. But Jaedong at Blizzcon over Maru, Innovation or Soulkey? Hard to justify. How doesn't he deserve it, he has gathered WCS points through the WCS system, just like everyone else. Maru and Soulkey has done nothing to deserve a blizzcon spot. Mainly because the team sends him everywhere to rack up those WCS points? A lot more deserving people deserve the WCS points instead. Players like Maru, TY, or Soulkey for example. He's basically taking advantage of the fact that the team lets him travel. If Maru, TY or Soulkey wanted to participate in more tournaments, I am sure they could acquire a foreign team willing to send them to some. If they don't want to do what the EU/NA koreans are doing and instead focus on Proleague and a single WCS tournament, then that's their fault. They do not deserve to participate in a tournament they don't even try to qualify for. Jaedong is so undeserving, building his name and skill and acquiring a good team on the back of it. Heh. Its no ones "fault" but Blizzard. This WCS system is beyond flawed. Hell if for every 10 weekend events outside of Korea we had one in Korea worth the same WCS points you'd still see an even better quality of players. Not to mention if you're argument is just "well they should just go to foreign teams" that would literally break the infrastructure of SC2 in Korea. If all the best players were going around the world there wouldn't BE a proleague. What you don't realize is that blizzard doesn't want the 16 most skilled players at blizzcon. Blizzard wants the 16 most famous, fan-favourite players, which is a reasonable choice marketing-wise. And to get them, you just look at who wins the most at foreign tournaments. Sure GSL and proleague are the highest level competitions, but how many viewers do they actually make, compared to a dreamhack or an IEM?
If Proleague and GSL was in the morning or afternoon in Europe or America? Probably similar to the amount of viewers that IEM or Dreamhack gets. A lot of people don't watch VODs because there is already so much to watch. Way too much.
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This first game was just donged.
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Belgica34432 Posts
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United States11403 Posts
I don't think I've ever seen a Hatch die exclusively to Banshees before.
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hah died to hellion banshee
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We still could see a Ro32 exit here...
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What league is this jaedong guy in?
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Polt's Hellion/Banshee control was really showing back in WoL when he used a Hellion/Banshee build against Protosses to great effect. After losing to HyuN 3-0 against Roaches I bet he wants revenge against the build.
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Polt just always finds a way to kill bases. :o
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Poll: Recommend Winners' Match Game 1?★- Do not see this game no matter what (2) 17% ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (3) 25% ★★★- Good game (6) 50% ★★★★- Highly recommended game (0) 0% ★★★★★- One of the best games this season (1) 8% 12 total votes Your vote: Recommend Winners' Match Game 1? (Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what
(Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do
(Vote): ★★★- Good game
(Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
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On August 05 2014 09:21 PhoenixVoid wrote:
Polt's Hellion/Banshee control was really showing back in WoL when he used a Hellion/Banshee build against Protosses to great effect. After losing to HyuN 3-0 against Roaches I bet he wants revenge against the build.
Are you sure about that? I remember LucifroN or GuMiho playing that but not Polt.
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Belgica34432 Posts
5 stars polt is a god
say whuuuuuuuut
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On August 05 2014 09:21 Zheryn wrote:
What league is this jaedong guy in?
omg you so funny and original!
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On August 05 2014 09:24 Lorning wrote:
5 stars polt is a god
say whuuuuuuuut
say you are overhyping this game quite a bit
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EPT
