EPT[WCS AM] Premier Ro32 Group C Season 3 2014 - Page 14
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Fanatic-Templar
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vult
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Poll: Recommend Losers' Match Game 2? ★- Do not see this game no matter what (0) ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (3) ★★★- Good game (2) ★★★★- Highly recommended game (1) ★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0) 6 total votes Your vote: Recommend Losers' Match Game 2? (Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what Poll: Recommend Losers' Match Game 3? ★- Do not see this game no matter what (1) ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (2) ★★★- Good game (2) ★★★★- Highly recommended game (0) ★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0) 5 total votes Your vote: Recommend Losers' Match Game 3? (Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what | ||
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ptbl
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Circumstance
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KingAlphard
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The_Red_Viper
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On August 05 2014 09:01 geokilla wrote: I don't know about you, but I want to watch games with high level play at Blizzcon. Games that will leave be breathless at least over 50% of the time throughout the best of X series. If I wanted to watch players because they were popular, I would watch them stream or something. Just look at the NBA all star game. To me, ya it's the NBA All-Star Game and all the NBA stars have gathered to play a game of basketball. But more often than that, the game is just offense and players doing their own "amazing" thing, showing off their individual talents. They got nothing compared to say, game 3 of San Antonio Spurs vs Miami Heat this NBA finals. That was over 9000X more amazing to watch than an All-Star Game. + Show Spoiler + So ya, holy fuck indeed. My problem with your argumentation is that you say X,Y and Z deserve it more cause you think they are better. While i think that is certainly true when they can prepare, i am not so sure if that is true for weekend tournaments. Weekend tournaments and tournaments like the gsl are basically 2 different things entirely. You say JD takes the easy route, but you can't even be sure that Maru for example would have done as good at these tournaments at all. It is all only speculation and if he can't attend, well should we give him the points casue we think he is better? No sry, that doesn't make any sense. Blame his team for not sending him to any tournaments, not the other players who play these and do well. On August 05 2014 09:01 Vindicare605 wrote: What's wrong with that? Easy. Jaedong's "hard earned" WCS points come from stomping foreign players and lower tier Koreans at Dreamhack and IEM. The competition he faces to earn those points is laughable compared to the competition in the Korean scene. His point total doesn't reflect his actual results. It's not like he's Taeja who gets his insane point totals from WINNING every single foreign tournament, he gets his points just for placing. His 350 points from Dreamhack and IEM Ro4s are equal to a top 12 placing in WCS. Jaedong hasn't made it out of the Ro32 in WCS AMERICA all year and yet has more total points than finalists and semifinalists from other WCS regions. That's what's wrong with it. Your reasoning is totally arbitrary. You think he doesn't deserve it cause he didn't win X or Y. Fact is he has enough points cause he attends and actually plays tournaments and does well enough. People like you would rather vote for the top 16 players cause you think "they deserve it" instead of having a competition. If Player X or Y can't participate in enough tournaments that is hardly a reason JD (or any other player) doesn't deserve to be there when he DID actually compete. I am also pretty sure that kespa WOULD have enough money to send their big guns to enough tournaments, they choose not to do so, well flame them, not people who aren't at fault. | ||
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PhoenixVoid
Canada32740 Posts
On August 05 2014 09:07 ptbl wrote: Holy moly, how did macsed ever make it to premier league. He looked outclassed. The Korea advantage. | ||
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SlammerIV
United States526 Posts
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vult
United States9400 Posts
On August 05 2014 09:07 Circumstance wrote: 1-4 for arguably the second best player in China. Surprising. He went 0-4. | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16071 Posts
On August 05 2014 09:08 KingAlphard wrote: Damn, Oz's PvP is indeed really impressive. But I doubt he can take out Polt or Jaedong. I still can't hear the phrase Oz PvP without snickering a little bit. He'll never live those comments in WoL down with me. | ||
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chipmonklord17
United States11944 Posts
On August 05 2014 09:05 shabby wrote: If Maru, TY or Soulkey wanted to participate in more tournaments, I am sure they could acquire a foreign team willing to send them to some. If they don't want to do what the EU/NA koreans are doing and instead focus on Proleague and a single WCS tournament, then that's their fault. They do not deserve to participate in a tournament they don't even try to qualify for. Jaedong is so undeserving, building his name and skill and acquiring a good team on the back of it. Heh. Its no ones "fault" but Blizzard. This WCS system is beyond flawed. Hell if for every 10 weekend events outside of Korea we had one in Korea worth the same WCS points you'd still see an even better quality of players. Not to mention if you're argument is just "well they should just go to foreign teams" that would literally break the infrastructure of SC2 in Korea. If all the best players were going around the world there wouldn't BE a proleague. | ||
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vult
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Fanatic-Templar
Canada5819 Posts
Except for WCS Asia, I guess. So unfortunate that all those players had to get wiped out by Koreans before the rest of Foreignistan. | ||
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Circumstance
United States11403 Posts
That's right, I got my Protosses mixed up. It was Oz against Jaedong. | ||
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geokilla
Canada8240 Posts
On August 05 2014 09:08 The_Red_Viper wrote: My problem with your argumentation is that you say X,Y and Z deserve it more cause you think they are better. While i think that is certainly true when they can prepare, i am not so sure if that is true for weekend tournaments. Weekend tournaments and tournaments like the gsl are basically 2 different things entirely. You say JD takes the easy route, but you can't even be sure that Maru for example would have done as good at these tournaments at all. It is all only speculation and if he can't attend, well should we give him the points casue we think he is better? No sry, that doesn't make any sense. Blame his team for not sending him to any tournaments, not the other players who play these and do well. Well no one knows for sure if they would excel at weekend tournaments because their team refuses to send them to these weekend tournaments. Kespa cares mainly about Proleague. How often do we see someone from Kespa participating in these weekend tournaments? I will say this upfront that I will not be going to Liquidpedia to dig up the results, but from all the weekend tournaments I watched (quite a lot), there weren't more than a handful of Kespa players at each event. | ||
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Lorning
Belgica34432 Posts
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andrewlt
United States7702 Posts
On August 05 2014 09:08 The_Red_Viper wrote: My problem with your argumentation is that you say X,Y and Z deserve it more cause you think they are better. While i think that is certainly true when they can prepare, i am not so sure if that is true for weekend tournaments. Weekend tournaments and tournaments like the gsl are basically 2 different things entirely. You say JD takes the easy route, but you can't even be sure that Maru for example would have done as good at these tournaments at all. It is all only speculation and if he can't attend, well should we give him the points casue we think he is better? No sry, that doesn't make any sense. Blame his team for not sending him to any tournaments, not the other players who play these and do well. We shouldn't give any free points but tournaments with better players should give more points. The WCS point system this year is complete bullshit. It just totally sucks. Last year's was way better. They should give GSL double the points of WCS America and Europe at least. | ||
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Undead1993
Germany17651 Posts
On August 05 2014 09:10 chipmonklord17 wrote: Its no ones "fault" but Blizzard. This WCS system is beyond flawed. Hell if for every 10 weekend events outside of Korea we had one in Korea worth the same WCS points you'd still see an even better quality of players. Not to mention if you're argument is just "well they should just go to foreign teams" that would literally break the infrastructure of SC2 in Korea. If all the best players were going around the world there wouldn't BE a proleague. i like the wcs system blizzard put up this year, and many others like it too. every system has its ups and downs though. but "beyond flawed" is certainly not the right description for WCS 2014. and the infrastructure in korea thingie is pure speculation | ||
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KingAlphard
Italy1705 Posts
On August 05 2014 09:10 chipmonklord17 wrote: Its no ones "fault" but Blizzard. This WCS system is beyond flawed. Hell if for every 10 weekend events outside of Korea we had one in Korea worth the same WCS points you'd still see an even better quality of players. Not to mention if you're argument is just "well they should just go to foreign teams" that would literally break the infrastructure of SC2 in Korea. If all the best players were going around the world there wouldn't BE a proleague. What you don't realize is that blizzard doesn't want the 16 most skilled players at blizzcon. Blizzard wants the 16 most famous, fan-favourite players, which is a reasonable choice marketing-wise. And to get them, you just look at who wins the most at foreign tournaments. Sure GSL and proleague are the highest level competitions, but how many viewers do they actually make, compared to a dreamhack or an IEM? | ||
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