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On August 12 2014 02:38 TheDwf wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2014 02:33 mikumegurine wrote:On August 12 2014 00:58 Canucklehead wrote:
Man it's so brutal that the Koreans have to go through that hard qualifier to get top 4 and you only win the chance to play in another qualifier. So sad that only 2 Koreans can qualify for iem. yea so stacked lol also think about the Chinese, SouthEastAsia, Taiwan players who have to be grouped with the koreans in the qualifier "basically" the only foreigners who have to go through the koreans just to get to IEM , http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/IEM_Season_IX_-_Toronto/European_QualifierAnd mainly Polt in the American one.
yea, but u know what i mean, the korean team trained koreans who are all still up in GSL/PL and have all that GSL prestige and KESPA expectations when they play
of course theres koreans who have moved to NA and EU and compete primarily in foreigner regions like Polt and stuff but these are quite few in number in comparison, yea thats why i said "basically"
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On August 12 2014 02:40 sm1995 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2014 00:16 Liquid`Jinro wrote:On August 11 2014 22:48 sm1995 wrote:![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/OTGUI9K.png) every korean complaining about player who run to other coutry. Look at this qualifier. Really hell. This qualifier is hard as gsl. And mc?? Hyun?? Where they come from?? It's completely ridiculous to try to tear someone down for making the most out of their career. MC has made more money than anyone else in SC2, because on top of having a true tournament champion mindset, he's always stayed relevant, interesting and in demand. Running? Man, the amount of progamers that would choose to play in the Korean qualifiers instead non-korean ones, if they had the choice, is like.... very close to 0. And I guess you'd have to give Jaedong shit as a 'runner' as well, which is hilarious when he's one of the greatest SC1 players of all time and has earned the right to do exactly what the hell he wants with his career at this point. At the end of the day success is measured in $, and MC has made more than anyone else. Yes jaedong is not kespa anymore. Maybe if he would came back to korea team , he could do better. But he did not, and korean dont expect jaedong good at sc2 any more. Anyway this WCS institution is really sucks. They have to lock region. MC was code b before run to wcs europe. And dominating every foreign league. Thats totally unfair. I dont understand why foreigner like korean people playing in wcs eu or am. If region locks , foreigner have much more chance. And we will never see MC anymore.
stop whining on every threads about the WCS, it starts to be really annoying and it's totally useless anyway
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Any great games to watch?
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On August 12 2014 02:01 Pino wrote:
Taeja is said to be invited to the asian final qualifier, while he has already been invited to the main event. Anyone got a clue?
On August 12 2014 00:19 Yhamm wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2014 00:17 thecrazymunchkin wrote:
I'm a bit confused. Hyun, TaeJa and MC are listed as wildcards for the main event, along with sOs. I assumed that this meant they didn't have to qualify (hence sOs not playing in the qualifiers), but why did Hyun and MC play in the EU qualifiers, and TaeJa's invited to the KR ones? once more time: Qualified players = full paid trip + hotel Invites = player/team pay everything every players are allowed to try to qualify
has been asked quite a few times already
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On August 12 2014 02:40 sm1995 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2014 00:16 Liquid`Jinro wrote:On August 11 2014 22:48 sm1995 wrote: every korean complaining about player who run to other coutry. Look at this qualifier. Really hell. This qualifier is hard as gsl. And mc?? Hyun?? Where they come from?? It's completely ridiculous to try to tear someone down for making the most out of their career. MC has made more money than anyone else in SC2, because on top of having a true tournament champion mindset, he's always stayed relevant, interesting and in demand. Running? Man, the amount of progamers that would choose to play in the Korean qualifiers instead non-korean ones, if they had the choice, is like.... very close to 0. And I guess you'd have to give Jaedong shit as a 'runner' as well, which is hilarious when he's one of the greatest SC1 players of all time and has earned the right to do exactly what the hell he wants with his career at this point. At the end of the day success is measured in $, and MC has made more than anyone else. Yes jaedong is not kespa anymore. Maybe if he would came back to korea team , he could do better. But he did not, and korean dont expect jaedong good at sc2 any more. Anyway this WCS institution is really sucks. They have to lock region. MC was code b before run to wcs europe. And dominating every foreign league. Thats totally unfair. I dont understand why foreigner like korean people playing in wcs eu or am. If region locks , foreigner have much more chance. And we will never see MC anymore.
Man do you post about anything other than region locks?
Like seriously you're the only one that I still see whining about how some Koreans made a smart financial decision to go win money against easier competition and that they don't deserve it for some weird reason of honor or something.
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On August 12 2014 04:16 GTPGlitch wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2014 02:40 sm1995 wrote:On August 12 2014 00:16 Liquid`Jinro wrote:On August 11 2014 22:48 sm1995 wrote: every korean complaining about player who run to other coutry. Look at this qualifier. Really hell. This qualifier is hard as gsl. And mc?? Hyun?? Where they come from?? It's completely ridiculous to try to tear someone down for making the most out of their career. MC has made more money than anyone else in SC2, because on top of having a true tournament champion mindset, he's always stayed relevant, interesting and in demand. Running? Man, the amount of progamers that would choose to play in the Korean qualifiers instead non-korean ones, if they had the choice, is like.... very close to 0. And I guess you'd have to give Jaedong shit as a 'runner' as well, which is hilarious when he's one of the greatest SC1 players of all time and has earned the right to do exactly what the hell he wants with his career at this point. At the end of the day success is measured in $, and MC has made more than anyone else. Yes jaedong is not kespa anymore. Maybe if he would came back to korea team , he could do better. But he did not, and korean dont expect jaedong good at sc2 any more. Anyway this WCS institution is really sucks. They have to lock region. MC was code b before run to wcs europe. And dominating every foreign league. Thats totally unfair. I dont understand why foreigner like korean people playing in wcs eu or am. If region locks , foreigner have much more chance. And we will never see MC anymore. Man do you post about anything other than region locks? Like seriously you're the only one that I still see whining about how some Koreans made a smart financial decision to go win money against easier competition and that they don't deserve it for some weird reason of honor or something.
The sheer amount of invites they receive is a joke. Them doing well in WCS EU/AM where Code A groups are better than their RO4s is one thing, but getting invited to everything is just stupid.
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On August 12 2014 04:16 GTPGlitch wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2014 02:40 sm1995 wrote:On August 12 2014 00:16 Liquid`Jinro wrote:On August 11 2014 22:48 sm1995 wrote: every korean complaining about player who run to other coutry. Look at this qualifier. Really hell. This qualifier is hard as gsl. And mc?? Hyun?? Where they come from?? It's completely ridiculous to try to tear someone down for making the most out of their career. MC has made more money than anyone else in SC2, because on top of having a true tournament champion mindset, he's always stayed relevant, interesting and in demand. Running? Man, the amount of progamers that would choose to play in the Korean qualifiers instead non-korean ones, if they had the choice, is like.... very close to 0. And I guess you'd have to give Jaedong shit as a 'runner' as well, which is hilarious when he's one of the greatest SC1 players of all time and has earned the right to do exactly what the hell he wants with his career at this point. At the end of the day success is measured in $, and MC has made more than anyone else. Yes jaedong is not kespa anymore. Maybe if he would came back to korea team , he could do better. But he did not, and korean dont expect jaedong good at sc2 any more. Anyway this WCS institution is really sucks. They have to lock region. MC was code b before run to wcs europe. And dominating every foreign league. Thats totally unfair. I dont understand why foreigner like korean people playing in wcs eu or am. If region locks , foreigner have much more chance. And we will never see MC anymore. Man do you post about anything other than region locks? Like seriously you're the only one that I still see whining about how some Koreans made a smart financial decision to go win money against easier competition and that they don't deserve it for some weird reason of honor or something.
I believe that's because he is Korean and that's what Koreans think 
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On August 12 2014 04:35 ZAiNs wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2014 04:16 GTPGlitch wrote:On August 12 2014 02:40 sm1995 wrote:On August 12 2014 00:16 Liquid`Jinro wrote:On August 11 2014 22:48 sm1995 wrote: every korean complaining about player who run to other coutry. Look at this qualifier. Really hell. This qualifier is hard as gsl. And mc?? Hyun?? Where they come from?? It's completely ridiculous to try to tear someone down for making the most out of their career. MC has made more money than anyone else in SC2, because on top of having a true tournament champion mindset, he's always stayed relevant, interesting and in demand. Running? Man, the amount of progamers that would choose to play in the Korean qualifiers instead non-korean ones, if they had the choice, is like.... very close to 0. And I guess you'd have to give Jaedong shit as a 'runner' as well, which is hilarious when he's one of the greatest SC1 players of all time and has earned the right to do exactly what the hell he wants with his career at this point. At the end of the day success is measured in $, and MC has made more than anyone else. Yes jaedong is not kespa anymore. Maybe if he would came back to korea team , he could do better. But he did not, and korean dont expect jaedong good at sc2 any more. Anyway this WCS institution is really sucks. They have to lock region. MC was code b before run to wcs europe. And dominating every foreign league. Thats totally unfair. I dont understand why foreigner like korean people playing in wcs eu or am. If region locks , foreigner have much more chance. And we will never see MC anymore. Man do you post about anything other than region locks? Like seriously you're the only one that I still see whining about how some Koreans made a smart financial decision to go win money against easier competition and that they don't deserve it for some weird reason of honor or something. The sheer amount of invites they receive is a joke. Them doing well in WCS EU/AM where Code A groups are better than their RO4s is one thing, but getting invited to everything is just stupid.
they get invited to international tournaments bc they have shown a willingness and desire to travel to international tournaments as well as an ability to place highly in them and because they're popular
makes absolutely perfect sense to me from a business and fan standpoint
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On August 12 2014 04:54 brickrd wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2014 04:35 ZAiNs wrote:On August 12 2014 04:16 GTPGlitch wrote:On August 12 2014 02:40 sm1995 wrote:On August 12 2014 00:16 Liquid`Jinro wrote:On August 11 2014 22:48 sm1995 wrote: every korean complaining about player who run to other coutry. Look at this qualifier. Really hell. This qualifier is hard as gsl. And mc?? Hyun?? Where they come from?? It's completely ridiculous to try to tear someone down for making the most out of their career. MC has made more money than anyone else in SC2, because on top of having a true tournament champion mindset, he's always stayed relevant, interesting and in demand. Running? Man, the amount of progamers that would choose to play in the Korean qualifiers instead non-korean ones, if they had the choice, is like.... very close to 0. And I guess you'd have to give Jaedong shit as a 'runner' as well, which is hilarious when he's one of the greatest SC1 players of all time and has earned the right to do exactly what the hell he wants with his career at this point. At the end of the day success is measured in $, and MC has made more than anyone else. Yes jaedong is not kespa anymore. Maybe if he would came back to korea team , he could do better. But he did not, and korean dont expect jaedong good at sc2 any more. Anyway this WCS institution is really sucks. They have to lock region. MC was code b before run to wcs europe. And dominating every foreign league. Thats totally unfair. I dont understand why foreigner like korean people playing in wcs eu or am. If region locks , foreigner have much more chance. And we will never see MC anymore. Man do you post about anything other than region locks? Like seriously you're the only one that I still see whining about how some Koreans made a smart financial decision to go win money against easier competition and that they don't deserve it for some weird reason of honor or something. The sheer amount of invites they receive is a joke. Them doing well in WCS EU/AM where Code A groups are better than their RO4s is one thing, but getting invited to everything is just stupid. they get invited to international tournaments bc they have shown a willingness and desire to travel to international tournaments as well as an ability to place highly in them and because they're popular makes absolutely perfect sense to me from a business and fan standpoint
Yes, but on the other hand... those invites mean that for example Korean Toronto qualifier is better than Blizzcon could ever be. It's just stupid that invited players can receive WCS points in any tournament.
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On August 12 2014 04:48 Ammanas wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2014 04:16 GTPGlitch wrote:On August 12 2014 02:40 sm1995 wrote:On August 12 2014 00:16 Liquid`Jinro wrote:On August 11 2014 22:48 sm1995 wrote: every korean complaining about player who run to other coutry. Look at this qualifier. Really hell. This qualifier is hard as gsl. And mc?? Hyun?? Where they come from?? It's completely ridiculous to try to tear someone down for making the most out of their career. MC has made more money than anyone else in SC2, because on top of having a true tournament champion mindset, he's always stayed relevant, interesting and in demand. Running? Man, the amount of progamers that would choose to play in the Korean qualifiers instead non-korean ones, if they had the choice, is like.... very close to 0. And I guess you'd have to give Jaedong shit as a 'runner' as well, which is hilarious when he's one of the greatest SC1 players of all time and has earned the right to do exactly what the hell he wants with his career at this point. At the end of the day success is measured in $, and MC has made more than anyone else. Yes jaedong is not kespa anymore. Maybe if he would came back to korea team , he could do better. But he did not, and korean dont expect jaedong good at sc2 any more. Anyway this WCS institution is really sucks. They have to lock region. MC was code b before run to wcs europe. And dominating every foreign league. Thats totally unfair. I dont understand why foreigner like korean people playing in wcs eu or am. If region locks , foreigner have much more chance. And we will never see MC anymore. Man do you post about anything other than region locks? Like seriously you're the only one that I still see whining about how some Koreans made a smart financial decision to go win money against easier competition and that they don't deserve it for some weird reason of honor or something. I believe that's because he is Korean and that's what Koreans think
As well as lots of StarCraft fans who want to see as high quality games as possible.
On August 12 2014 04:54 brickrd wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2014 04:35 ZAiNs wrote:On August 12 2014 04:16 GTPGlitch wrote:On August 12 2014 02:40 sm1995 wrote:On August 12 2014 00:16 Liquid`Jinro wrote:On August 11 2014 22:48 sm1995 wrote: every korean complaining about player who run to other coutry. Look at this qualifier. Really hell. This qualifier is hard as gsl. And mc?? Hyun?? Where they come from?? It's completely ridiculous to try to tear someone down for making the most out of their career. MC has made more money than anyone else in SC2, because on top of having a true tournament champion mindset, he's always stayed relevant, interesting and in demand. Running? Man, the amount of progamers that would choose to play in the Korean qualifiers instead non-korean ones, if they had the choice, is like.... very close to 0. And I guess you'd have to give Jaedong shit as a 'runner' as well, which is hilarious when he's one of the greatest SC1 players of all time and has earned the right to do exactly what the hell he wants with his career at this point. At the end of the day success is measured in $, and MC has made more than anyone else. Yes jaedong is not kespa anymore. Maybe if he would came back to korea team , he could do better. But he did not, and korean dont expect jaedong good at sc2 any more. Anyway this WCS institution is really sucks. They have to lock region. MC was code b before run to wcs europe. And dominating every foreign league. Thats totally unfair. I dont understand why foreigner like korean people playing in wcs eu or am. If region locks , foreigner have much more chance. And we will never see MC anymore. Man do you post about anything other than region locks? Like seriously you're the only one that I still see whining about how some Koreans made a smart financial decision to go win money against easier competition and that they don't deserve it for some weird reason of honor or something. The sheer amount of invites they receive is a joke. Them doing well in WCS EU/AM where Code A groups are better than their RO4s is one thing, but getting invited to everything is just stupid. they get invited to international tournaments bc they have shown a willingness and desire to travel to international tournaments as well as an ability to place highly in them and because they're popular makes absolutely perfect sense to me from a business and fan standpoint
Hard for Kespa players to get 'fans' when they have to rely on such limited qualifier spots to go to foreign tourneys.
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On August 12 2014 04:55 Ammanas wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2014 04:54 brickrd wrote:On August 12 2014 04:35 ZAiNs wrote:On August 12 2014 04:16 GTPGlitch wrote:On August 12 2014 02:40 sm1995 wrote:On August 12 2014 00:16 Liquid`Jinro wrote:On August 11 2014 22:48 sm1995 wrote: every korean complaining about player who run to other coutry. Look at this qualifier. Really hell. This qualifier is hard as gsl. And mc?? Hyun?? Where they come from?? It's completely ridiculous to try to tear someone down for making the most out of their career. MC has made more money than anyone else in SC2, because on top of having a true tournament champion mindset, he's always stayed relevant, interesting and in demand. Running? Man, the amount of progamers that would choose to play in the Korean qualifiers instead non-korean ones, if they had the choice, is like.... very close to 0. And I guess you'd have to give Jaedong shit as a 'runner' as well, which is hilarious when he's one of the greatest SC1 players of all time and has earned the right to do exactly what the hell he wants with his career at this point. At the end of the day success is measured in $, and MC has made more than anyone else. Yes jaedong is not kespa anymore. Maybe if he would came back to korea team , he could do better. But he did not, and korean dont expect jaedong good at sc2 any more. Anyway this WCS institution is really sucks. They have to lock region. MC was code b before run to wcs europe. And dominating every foreign league. Thats totally unfair. I dont understand why foreigner like korean people playing in wcs eu or am. If region locks , foreigner have much more chance. And we will never see MC anymore. Man do you post about anything other than region locks? Like seriously you're the only one that I still see whining about how some Koreans made a smart financial decision to go win money against easier competition and that they don't deserve it for some weird reason of honor or something. The sheer amount of invites they receive is a joke. Them doing well in WCS EU/AM where Code A groups are better than their RO4s is one thing, but getting invited to everything is just stupid. they get invited to international tournaments bc they have shown a willingness and desire to travel to international tournaments as well as an ability to place highly in them and because they're popular makes absolutely perfect sense to me from a business and fan standpoint Yes, but on the other hand... those invites mean that for example Korean Toronto qualifier is better than Blizzcon could ever be. It's just stupid that invited players can receive WCS points in any tournament.
You aren't wrong, but you're also chasing a fairness that can't exist. Until everyone plays in every tournament, there will always be people who score wcs points against lower competition, no matter how hard you fight against it. You can limit this by getting IEM to not give out WCS points, or getting IEM to not have invites, but you can't really suppress it. In the end, the wcs standings is a showing of people's results, not of people's skills.
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the popular get invites so they can keep getting more popular, its just the way the popular folks are treated
sure there might be kespa that "might" be better at gameplay, but they wont bring in the viewers like the "popular" players
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Apparently Sorry > Cure > MK, Byong, Rain
Very unexpected bracket result 
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On August 12 2014 05:16 Foreverkul wrote:Apparently Sorry > Cure > MK, Byong, Rain Very unexpected bracket result
Sorry (and Journey) will be picked up soon by MVP, Startale or Prime, mark my words :p
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Guys, popular players didn't get popular by losing. Just fyi.
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Looks like leaving MVP did wonders for DRG and Super
edit: I never actually heard if super left for sure, but I assume he did as well.
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Flash beat Maru? Well Maru doesn't usually play well in online qualifiers.
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On August 12 2014 06:14 imrusty269 wrote:
Flash beat Maru? Well Maru doesn't usually play well in online qualifiers.
I think Maru performs poorly outside of GSL because he just has less experience than other players. He arguably has the best micro in SC2, but he tends to make poor decisions in high pressure situations and has less endurance. In time, he will gain these skills though
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On August 12 2014 05:01 Nebuchad wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2014 04:55 Ammanas wrote:On August 12 2014 04:54 brickrd wrote:On August 12 2014 04:35 ZAiNs wrote:On August 12 2014 04:16 GTPGlitch wrote:On August 12 2014 02:40 sm1995 wrote:On August 12 2014 00:16 Liquid`Jinro wrote:On August 11 2014 22:48 sm1995 wrote: every korean complaining about player who run to other coutry. Look at this qualifier. Really hell. This qualifier is hard as gsl. And mc?? Hyun?? Where they come from?? It's completely ridiculous to try to tear someone down for making the most out of their career. MC has made more money than anyone else in SC2, because on top of having a true tournament champion mindset, he's always stayed relevant, interesting and in demand. Running? Man, the amount of progamers that would choose to play in the Korean qualifiers instead non-korean ones, if they had the choice, is like.... very close to 0. And I guess you'd have to give Jaedong shit as a 'runner' as well, which is hilarious when he's one of the greatest SC1 players of all time and has earned the right to do exactly what the hell he wants with his career at this point. At the end of the day success is measured in $, and MC has made more than anyone else. Yes jaedong is not kespa anymore. Maybe if he would came back to korea team , he could do better. But he did not, and korean dont expect jaedong good at sc2 any more. Anyway this WCS institution is really sucks. They have to lock region. MC was code b before run to wcs europe. And dominating every foreign league. Thats totally unfair. I dont understand why foreigner like korean people playing in wcs eu or am. If region locks , foreigner have much more chance. And we will never see MC anymore. Man do you post about anything other than region locks? Like seriously you're the only one that I still see whining about how some Koreans made a smart financial decision to go win money against easier competition and that they don't deserve it for some weird reason of honor or something. The sheer amount of invites they receive is a joke. Them doing well in WCS EU/AM where Code A groups are better than their RO4s is one thing, but getting invited to everything is just stupid. they get invited to international tournaments bc they have shown a willingness and desire to travel to international tournaments as well as an ability to place highly in them and because they're popular makes absolutely perfect sense to me from a business and fan standpoint Yes, but on the other hand... those invites mean that for example Korean Toronto qualifier is better than Blizzcon could ever be. It's just stupid that invited players can receive WCS points in any tournament. You aren't wrong, but you're also chasing a fairness that can't exist. Until everyone plays in every tournament, there will always be people who score wcs points against lower competition, no matter how hard you fight against it. You can limit this by getting IEM to not give out WCS points, or getting IEM to not have invites, but you can't really suppress it. In the end, the wcs standings is a showing of people's results, not of people's skills.
i think the wcs system isnt "broken" but rather reflects the fact that in todays sc2 scene being willing to travel and make a name for yourself overseas is a commodity that rivals pure skill
its no news to anyone, theres lots of debate over skill vs fan favorites/foreigners/etc. and the reality is that they're both pretty important and neither one has proven to be overwhelmingly preferred by fans
yes if you prefer pure skill you will be let down by favoritism, just like if you prefer to see your favorites you will be let down by koreans smashing through tournaments. it's just a reality of the scene. i don't think realistically we can expect it to change. and i think it's a good thing that there's a sort of yin and yang between them, even when it comes to wcs points
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