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cmdspinner1
Profile Joined February 2014
140 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-22 10:43:57
July 22 2014 10:43 GMT
#361
Tempest are so stupid and massable because they are an a move unit that shoot air and ground from huge distances. What was blizzard thinking?
Destructicon
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
4713 Posts
July 22 2014 10:43 GMT
#362
Before you say mech is viable keep in mind Bbyong has only been doing it on this map. It might be completely unworkable on any other map, in particular the really big ones.
WriterNever give up, never surrender! https://www.youtube.com/user/DestructiconSC
Teoita
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy12247 Posts
July 22 2014 10:43 GMT
#363
On July 22 2014 19:42 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2014 19:41 Undead1993 wrote:
On July 22 2014 19:41 DarkLordOlli wrote:
I think CJ should hire avilo to coach Bbyong.

i think blizzard should hire this thread to make the next balance patch


We've got a GM terran in Dwf here and Teo was a good protoss too once upon a time before WoW ate his soul. Would probably get better patch ideas if they did.


rofl xD
ModeratorProtoss all-ins are like a wok. You can throw whatever you want in there and it will turn out alright.
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
July 22 2014 10:43 GMT
#364
On July 22 2014 19:43 cmdspinner1 wrote:
Tempest are so stupid and massable because they are an a move units that shoot air and ground from huge distances. What was blizzard thinking?


Same thing when they made the Swarm Host xD
Bless them and their ideas
ModeratorTeam Liquid Football Thread Guru! - Chelsea FC ♥
KrazyTrumpet
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2520 Posts
July 22 2014 10:43 GMT
#365
On July 22 2014 19:42 Penev wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2014 19:40 Phredxor wrote:
On July 22 2014 19:39 KrazyTrumpet wrote:
On July 22 2014 19:37 GTPGlitch wrote:
On July 22 2014 19:36 KrazyTrumpet wrote:
Don't agree with Wolf, I think mech is plenty viable. Feel like Bbyong has *almost* got it all figured out. Honestly, I wish Tempests would go, I feel like they're a dumb unit and shut down too much late game tech in all matchups =/


He needed a faster starport transition, I think if he had a few more ravens and a bigger viking fleet it would've been easy money

Yeah, like I said, I feel like Bbyong is so close to figuring out this whole mech TvP thing. Maybe faster starports and/or more ghosts and a nuke or two as well? Dunno, but I think we'll see more of this. I hope so, these mech TvP games are fun


Looked like that's where Bbyong was heading, just couldn't get there fast enough.

But even then, the Protoss could just switch back into a ground army if he went too viking/raven heavy.

That's why (among other things) I feel assault mode Vikings need a buff


I could get behind this. Makes Vikings essentially Goliaths at that point.
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Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12475 Posts
July 22 2014 10:44 GMT
#366
On July 22 2014 19:42 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2014 19:41 Undead1993 wrote:
On July 22 2014 19:41 DarkLordOlli wrote:
I think CJ should hire avilo to coach Bbyong.

i think blizzard should hire this thread to make the next balance patch


We've got a GM terran in Dwf here and Teo was a good protoss too once upon a time before WoW ate his soul. Would probably get better patch ideas if they did.


Nah that won't work, Teo thinks TvZ is the best match-up to watch, I don't trust him with my protoss balance against thedwf <3.
No will to live, no wish to die
TheSayo182
Profile Joined September 2012
Italy243 Posts
July 22 2014 10:44 GMT
#367
carriers so good i dont remember any game without them
"Remember: Probes & Pylons and when behind Dark Shrine!"
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
July 22 2014 10:44 GMT
#368
On July 22 2014 19:41 Exarl25 wrote:
It is viable. There is absolutely no chance in hell he would do the same thing 3 times on this map in such important games if it didn't have merit. Standard play fails too if your build isn't tight enough and you are slow on your transitions. If he got that AA up faster the game goes on.

If he gets that AA up he still loses to the addition of Templars. Air/Templars wins everything in lategame TvP.
Teoita
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy12247 Posts
July 22 2014 10:44 GMT
#369
On July 22 2014 19:44 Nebuchad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2014 19:42 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On July 22 2014 19:41 Undead1993 wrote:
On July 22 2014 19:41 DarkLordOlli wrote:
I think CJ should hire avilo to coach Bbyong.

i think blizzard should hire this thread to make the next balance patch


We've got a GM terran in Dwf here and Teo was a good protoss too once upon a time before WoW ate his soul. Would probably get better patch ideas if they did.


Nah that won't work, Teo thinks TvZ is the best match-up to watch, I don't trust him with my protoss balance against thedwf <3.


Are you sure? I did write a certain book...
ModeratorProtoss all-ins are like a wok. You can throw whatever you want in there and it will turn out alright.
Phredxor
Profile Joined May 2013
New Zealand15076 Posts
July 22 2014 10:44 GMT
#370
I think the fact that it never gets played shows it's not viable. People have tried to make it work for a long time yet nobody has consistently used it and won games with it.

Bbyong playing it 3 games in a row doesn't make it suddenly viable.

Only in my lowly opinion of course.
Aeromi
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
France14461 Posts
July 22 2014 10:44 GMT
#371
On July 22 2014 19:42 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2014 19:41 Undead1993 wrote:
On July 22 2014 19:41 DarkLordOlli wrote:
I think CJ should hire avilo to coach Bbyong.

i think blizzard should hire this thread to make the next balance patch


We've got a GM terran in Dwf here and Teo was a good protoss too once upon a time before WoW ate his soul. Would probably get better patch ideas if they did.

ZParcraft had an impact on Blizzard choice to patch the game.
https://twitter.com/DrAeromi | Updates on live tournaments: @StarCrafteSport
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
July 22 2014 10:44 GMT
#372
On July 22 2014 19:43 Teoita wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2014 19:42 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On July 22 2014 19:41 Undead1993 wrote:
On July 22 2014 19:41 DarkLordOlli wrote:
I think CJ should hire avilo to coach Bbyong.

i think blizzard should hire this thread to make the next balance patch


We've got a GM terran in Dwf here and Teo was a good protoss too once upon a time before WoW ate his soul. Would probably get better patch ideas if they did.


rofl xD


Pretty sure he is more rockstar than gamer these days
ModeratorTeam Liquid Football Thread Guru! - Chelsea FC ♥
Exarl25
Profile Joined November 2010
1887 Posts
July 22 2014 10:44 GMT
#373
On July 22 2014 19:44 TheDwf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2014 19:41 Exarl25 wrote:
It is viable. There is absolutely no chance in hell he would do the same thing 3 times on this map in such important games if it didn't have merit. Standard play fails too if your build isn't tight enough and you are slow on your transitions. If he got that AA up faster the game goes on.

If he gets that AA up he still loses to the addition of Templars. Air/Templars wins everything in lategame TvP.


Going to trust in the judgement of a team in the playoffs of Proleague over yours.
Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24604 Posts
July 22 2014 10:45 GMT
#374
On July 22 2014 19:43 cmdspinner1 wrote:
Tempest are so stupid and massable because they are an a move unit that shoot air and ground from huge distances. What was blizzard thinking?


They thought "Broodlord/Infestor isn't a lot of fun"
robson1
Profile Joined March 2013
3632 Posts
July 22 2014 10:45 GMT
#375
On July 22 2014 19:43 KrazyTrumpet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2014 19:41 Nebuchad wrote:
On July 22 2014 19:40 SC2Towelie wrote:
On July 22 2014 19:36 Zealously wrote:
On July 22 2014 19:35 SC2Towelie wrote:
Is Wolf actually trying to tell a Code S Terran that his composition isn't viable? I really hate him sometimes.... isn't he like gold?


If the caster isn't allowed to make any calls on the game, why even have him casting? Presumably he has knowledge beyond the level of his actual play, that's the whole idea with a commentator


There's a difference between commentating what's happening in the game, and making ignorant statements like "this composition just isn't viable." I can almost guarantee you that Bbyong wouldn't use this same strategy 3 times in a row if he didn't think it was viable. And if a Code S level player thinks that something is viable, and Wolf says that it isn't, I'm much more inclined to side with the Code S Terran here...


That's fine but you can't expect a caster to act like a composition is fine until it's been proven that it is, and so far Bbyong hasn't been doing that.

I disagree. I think he's very clearly shown that it's viable, though perhaps not polished enough just yet.


How did he clearly show it was viable. Mayyyyyyyyyy be it is viable as a one off suprise. But BByong just tried a double sneak expand into mech and got roflstomped by carrier tempest. That sounds like the synopsis of a plat-game. I didn't see any indications to mech being viable.
Genius is that funny scientist who no one takes seriously until he kills you with a flame throwing trumpet. - stuchiu 2013
Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-22 10:46:56
July 22 2014 10:45 GMT
#376
On July 22 2014 19:43 Destructicon wrote:
Before you say mech is viable keep in mind Bbyong has only been doing it on this map. It might be completely unworkable on any other map, in particular the really big ones.


It's already not working out for him, despite Parting and Rain opening anti-bio.
Good luck making this work when your opponent just takes 4bases and does not opt to go Colossus/Gateway early.
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
July 22 2014 10:45 GMT
#377
On July 22 2014 19:44 Nebuchad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2014 19:42 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On July 22 2014 19:41 Undead1993 wrote:
On July 22 2014 19:41 DarkLordOlli wrote:
I think CJ should hire avilo to coach Bbyong.

i think blizzard should hire this thread to make the next balance patch


We've got a GM terran in Dwf here and Teo was a good protoss too once upon a time before WoW ate his soul. Would probably get better patch ideas if they did.


Nah that won't work, Teo thinks TvZ is the best match-up to watch, I don't trust him with my protoss balance against thedwf <3.


Teo killed a mass void ray army with pure marine/medivac in a 4v4 we played yesterday. It hurt my soul to see him do this after being such an icon for the wok race
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
Teoita
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy12247 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-22 10:46:17
July 22 2014 10:45 GMT
#378
On July 22 2014 19:44 Pandemona wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2014 19:43 Teoita wrote:
On July 22 2014 19:42 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On July 22 2014 19:41 Undead1993 wrote:
On July 22 2014 19:41 DarkLordOlli wrote:
I think CJ should hire avilo to coach Bbyong.

i think blizzard should hire this thread to make the next balance patch


We've got a GM terran in Dwf here and Teo was a good protoss too once upon a time before WoW ate his soul. Would probably get better patch ideas if they did.


rofl xD


Pretty sure he is more rockstar than gamer these days


Also rofl xD sadly im just sitting at home, studying for exams...

edit: wtf olli that wasnt me, it was lichter.
ModeratorProtoss all-ins are like a wok. You can throw whatever you want in there and it will turn out alright.
Destructicon
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
4713 Posts
July 22 2014 10:46 GMT
#379
Rofl, I really enjoy the PL behind the scene with the two girls playing DotA.
WriterNever give up, never surrender! https://www.youtube.com/user/DestructiconSC
Circumstance
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
United States11403 Posts
July 22 2014 10:46 GMT
#380
On July 22 2014 19:40 SC2Towelie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2014 19:36 Zealously wrote:
On July 22 2014 19:35 SC2Towelie wrote:
Is Wolf actually trying to tell a Code S Terran that his composition isn't viable? I really hate him sometimes.... isn't he like gold?


If the caster isn't allowed to make any calls on the game, why even have him casting? Presumably he has knowledge beyond the level of his actual play, that's the whole idea with a commentator


There's a difference between commentating what's happening in the game, and making ignorant statements like "this composition just isn't viable." I can almost guarantee you that Bbyong wouldn't use this same strategy 3 times in a row if he didn't think it was viable. And if a Code S level player thinks that something is viable, and Wolf says that it isn't, I'm much more inclined to side with the Code S Terran here...


"[I]t often happens that the 17-year-old is right and the professor is wrong" - Wikipedia co-founder Jimmy Wales

And, well, the record favors Wolf here.
The world is better when every background has a chance.
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