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Circumstance
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
United States11403 Posts
July 22 2014 10:39 GMT
#341
On July 22 2014 19:38 SSVnormandy wrote:
okay so protoss has 2 cap ship viable vs the 1/2 of zergs and the 0 of terrans. dont search too far why there is a lategame prob in this game


Yes, you heard it here first, folks. Someone actually thinks Carriers are imbalanced.
The world is better when every background has a chance.
Topdoller
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom3860 Posts
July 22 2014 10:39 GMT
#342
welp thats what you get for introducing range 15 flying units into the game. LotV will introduce a range 22+ i guess to counter them lol.

Blizzard team has no flair or imagination.
Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24604 Posts
July 22 2014 10:39 GMT
#343
On July 22 2014 19:38 SSVnormandy wrote:
okay so protoss has 2 cap ship viable vs the 1/2 of zergs and the 0 of terrans. dont search too far why there is a lategame prob in this game


Carriers are too good, yeah
cmdspinner1
Profile Joined February 2014
140 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-22 10:41:07
July 22 2014 10:40 GMT
#344
Although mech is really hard to pull of at this level, it didnt look like bbyong had too much experience with it. You need to turtle hardcore and build up a huge air fleet against protoss mass air. Should have built many more starports much earlier.
SC2Towelie
Profile Joined July 2014
United States561 Posts
July 22 2014 10:40 GMT
#345
On July 22 2014 19:36 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2014 19:35 SC2Towelie wrote:
Is Wolf actually trying to tell a Code S Terran that his composition isn't viable? I really hate him sometimes.... isn't he like gold?


If the caster isn't allowed to make any calls on the game, why even have him casting? Presumably he has knowledge beyond the level of his actual play, that's the whole idea with a commentator


There's a difference between commentating what's happening in the game, and making ignorant statements like "this composition just isn't viable." I can almost guarantee you that Bbyong wouldn't use this same strategy 3 times in a row if he didn't think it was viable. And if a Code S level player thinks that something is viable, and Wolf says that it isn't, I'm much more inclined to side with the Code S Terran here...
Don't forget to bring a towel! (Towelie.635)
Phredxor
Profile Joined May 2013
New Zealand15076 Posts
July 22 2014 10:40 GMT
#346
On July 22 2014 19:39 KrazyTrumpet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2014 19:37 GTPGlitch wrote:
On July 22 2014 19:36 KrazyTrumpet wrote:
Don't agree with Wolf, I think mech is plenty viable. Feel like Bbyong has *almost* got it all figured out. Honestly, I wish Tempests would go, I feel like they're a dumb unit and shut down too much late game tech in all matchups =/


He needed a faster starport transition, I think if he had a few more ravens and a bigger viking fleet it would've been easy money

Yeah, like I said, I feel like Bbyong is so close to figuring out this whole mech TvP thing. Maybe faster starports and/or more ghosts and a nuke or two as well? Dunno, but I think we'll see more of this. I hope so, these mech TvP games are fun


Looked like that's where Bbyong was heading, just couldn't get there fast enough.

But even then, the Protoss could just switch back into a ground army if he went too viking/raven heavy.
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
July 22 2014 10:40 GMT
#347
On July 22 2014 19:39 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2014 19:38 SSVnormandy wrote:
okay so protoss has 2 cap ship viable vs the 1/2 of zergs and the 0 of terrans. dont search too far why there is a lategame prob in this game


Carriers aren't "viable".

Against mech they are, and if the need ever rises they can be used vs bio too after the Tempest stage.
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
July 22 2014 10:41 GMT
#348
I think CJ should hire avilo to coach Bbyong.
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
KrazyTrumpet
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2520 Posts
July 22 2014 10:41 GMT
#349
On July 22 2014 19:39 Topdoller wrote:
welp thats what you get for introducing range 15 flying units into the game. LotV will introduce a range 22+ i guess to counter them lol.

Blizzard team has no flair or imagination.

Wasn't the Tempest originally like 23 range?
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sm1995
Profile Joined July 2014
Korea (South)69 Posts
July 22 2014 10:41 GMT
#350
If terran goes mass of viking, then protoss just switch to HT tempest terran gg
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HomeWorld
Profile Joined December 2011
Romania903 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-22 10:41:38
July 22 2014 10:41 GMT
#351
On July 22 2014 19:38 gobbledydook wrote:
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On July 22 2014 19:37 HomeWorld wrote:
Guess, this terran koreans needs to learn some tricks from Avilo. Mech ain't easy.


hahaha, you mean, the guys who keeps whining after losing to protoss because he's just not that good?

The only problem, and it's a genuine one, is the early game, that's where the issue lies. If terran manages to go into mid/late game without any setbacks or just minor ones , mech can work quite fine.
Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12475 Posts
July 22 2014 10:41 GMT
#352
On July 22 2014 19:40 SC2Towelie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2014 19:36 Zealously wrote:
On July 22 2014 19:35 SC2Towelie wrote:
Is Wolf actually trying to tell a Code S Terran that his composition isn't viable? I really hate him sometimes.... isn't he like gold?


If the caster isn't allowed to make any calls on the game, why even have him casting? Presumably he has knowledge beyond the level of his actual play, that's the whole idea with a commentator


There's a difference between commentating what's happening in the game, and making ignorant statements like "this composition just isn't viable." I can almost guarantee you that Bbyong wouldn't use this same strategy 3 times in a row if he didn't think it was viable. And if a Code S level player thinks that something is viable, and Wolf says that it isn't, I'm much more inclined to side with the Code S Terran here...


That's fine but you can't expect a caster to act like a composition is fine until it's been proven that it is, and so far Bbyong hasn't been doing that.
No will to live, no wish to die
Exarl25
Profile Joined November 2010
1887 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-22 10:42:46
July 22 2014 10:41 GMT
#353
It is viable. There is absolutely no chance in hell he would do the same thing 3 times on this map in such important games if it didn't have merit. Standard play fails too if your build isn't tight enough and you are slow on your transitions. If he got that AA up faster the game goes on.

Keep in mind it isn't just Bbyong that believes this can work. You think the rest of his team and his coach would be happy with him getting sent out on that map to gift games away?
Undead1993
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany17651 Posts
July 22 2014 10:41 GMT
#354
On July 22 2014 19:41 DarkLordOlli wrote:
I think CJ should hire avilo to coach Bbyong.

i think blizzard should hire this thread to make the next balance patch
SEKO SEKO SEKO SEKO SEKO
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28535 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-22 10:42:21
July 22 2014 10:42 GMT
#355
On July 22 2014 19:40 Phredxor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2014 19:39 KrazyTrumpet wrote:
On July 22 2014 19:37 GTPGlitch wrote:
On July 22 2014 19:36 KrazyTrumpet wrote:
Don't agree with Wolf, I think mech is plenty viable. Feel like Bbyong has *almost* got it all figured out. Honestly, I wish Tempests would go, I feel like they're a dumb unit and shut down too much late game tech in all matchups =/


He needed a faster starport transition, I think if he had a few more ravens and a bigger viking fleet it would've been easy money

Yeah, like I said, I feel like Bbyong is so close to figuring out this whole mech TvP thing. Maybe faster starports and/or more ghosts and a nuke or two as well? Dunno, but I think we'll see more of this. I hope so, these mech TvP games are fun


Looked like that's where Bbyong was heading, just couldn't get there fast enough.

But even then, the Protoss could just switch back into a ground army if he went too viking/raven heavy.

That's why (among other things) I feel assault mode Vikings need a buff
I Protoss winner, could it be?
liberate71
Profile Joined October 2011
Australia10252 Posts
July 22 2014 10:42 GMT
#356
On July 22 2014 19:41 KrazyTrumpet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2014 19:39 Topdoller wrote:
welp thats what you get for introducing range 15 flying units into the game. LotV will introduce a range 22+ i guess to counter them lol.

Blizzard team has no flair or imagination.

Wasn't the Tempest originally like 23 range?


Yeh "for when you absolutely need to snipe siege tanks from all the way back in your base - THE TEMPEST!"
Minelord Stimfestor, also known as karma.
Meavis
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Netherlands1300 Posts
July 22 2014 10:42 GMT
#357
Well, there is this http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/sc2-strategy/461537-tvp-aggresive-mech
"Not you."
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
July 22 2014 10:42 GMT
#358
On July 22 2014 19:40 SC2Towelie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2014 19:36 Zealously wrote:
On July 22 2014 19:35 SC2Towelie wrote:
Is Wolf actually trying to tell a Code S Terran that his composition isn't viable? I really hate him sometimes.... isn't he like gold?


If the caster isn't allowed to make any calls on the game, why even have him casting? Presumably he has knowledge beyond the level of his actual play, that's the whole idea with a commentator


There's a difference between commentating what's happening in the game, and making ignorant statements like "this composition just isn't viable." I can almost guarantee you that Bbyong wouldn't use this same strategy 3 times in a row if he didn't think it was viable. And if a Code S level player thinks that something is viable, and Wolf says that it isn't, I'm much more inclined to side with the Code S Terran here...

This is a perfectly fine statement. Mech isn't viable in TvP.
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-22 10:43:09
July 22 2014 10:42 GMT
#359
On July 22 2014 19:41 Undead1993 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2014 19:41 DarkLordOlli wrote:
I think CJ should hire avilo to coach Bbyong.

i think blizzard should hire this thread to make the next balance patch


We've got a GM terran in Dwf here and Teo was a good protoss too once upon a time before WoW ate his soul. Would probably get better patch ideas if they did.
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
KrazyTrumpet
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2520 Posts
July 22 2014 10:43 GMT
#360
On July 22 2014 19:41 Nebuchad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2014 19:40 SC2Towelie wrote:
On July 22 2014 19:36 Zealously wrote:
On July 22 2014 19:35 SC2Towelie wrote:
Is Wolf actually trying to tell a Code S Terran that his composition isn't viable? I really hate him sometimes.... isn't he like gold?


If the caster isn't allowed to make any calls on the game, why even have him casting? Presumably he has knowledge beyond the level of his actual play, that's the whole idea with a commentator


There's a difference between commentating what's happening in the game, and making ignorant statements like "this composition just isn't viable." I can almost guarantee you that Bbyong wouldn't use this same strategy 3 times in a row if he didn't think it was viable. And if a Code S level player thinks that something is viable, and Wolf says that it isn't, I'm much more inclined to side with the Code S Terran here...


That's fine but you can't expect a caster to act like a composition is fine until it's been proven that it is, and so far Bbyong hasn't been doing that.

I disagree. I think he's very clearly shown that it's viable, though perhaps not polished enough just yet.
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