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On July 22 2014 19:38 SSVnormandy wrote: okay so protoss has 2 cap ship viable vs the 1/2 of zergs and the 0 of terrans. dont search too far why there is a lategame prob in this game
Yes, you heard it here first, folks. Someone actually thinks Carriers are imbalanced.
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welp thats what you get for introducing range 15 flying units into the game. LotV will introduce a range 22+ i guess to counter them lol.
Blizzard team has no flair or imagination.
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On July 22 2014 19:38 SSVnormandy wrote: okay so protoss has 2 cap ship viable vs the 1/2 of zergs and the 0 of terrans. dont search too far why there is a lategame prob in this game
Carriers are too good, yeah
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Although mech is really hard to pull of at this level, it didnt look like bbyong had too much experience with it. You need to turtle hardcore and build up a huge air fleet against protoss mass air. Should have built many more starports much earlier.
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On July 22 2014 19:36 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 19:35 SC2Towelie wrote: Is Wolf actually trying to tell a Code S Terran that his composition isn't viable? I really hate him sometimes.... isn't he like gold? If the caster isn't allowed to make any calls on the game, why even have him casting? Presumably he has knowledge beyond the level of his actual play, that's the whole idea with a commentator
There's a difference between commentating what's happening in the game, and making ignorant statements like "this composition just isn't viable." I can almost guarantee you that Bbyong wouldn't use this same strategy 3 times in a row if he didn't think it was viable. And if a Code S level player thinks that something is viable, and Wolf says that it isn't, I'm much more inclined to side with the Code S Terran here...
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On July 22 2014 19:39 KrazyTrumpet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 19:37 GTPGlitch wrote:On July 22 2014 19:36 KrazyTrumpet wrote: Don't agree with Wolf, I think mech is plenty viable. Feel like Bbyong has *almost* got it all figured out. Honestly, I wish Tempests would go, I feel like they're a dumb unit and shut down too much late game tech in all matchups =/ He needed a faster starport transition, I think if he had a few more ravens and a bigger viking fleet it would've been easy money Yeah, like I said, I feel like Bbyong is so close to figuring out this whole mech TvP thing. Maybe faster starports and/or more ghosts and a nuke or two as well? Dunno, but I think we'll see more of this. I hope so, these mech TvP games are fun
Looked like that's where Bbyong was heading, just couldn't get there fast enough.
But even then, the Protoss could just switch back into a ground army if he went too viking/raven heavy.
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On July 22 2014 19:39 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 19:38 SSVnormandy wrote: okay so protoss has 2 cap ship viable vs the 1/2 of zergs and the 0 of terrans. dont search too far why there is a lategame prob in this game Carriers aren't "viable". Against mech they are, and if the need ever rises they can be used vs bio too after the Tempest stage.
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I think CJ should hire avilo to coach Bbyong.
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On July 22 2014 19:39 Topdoller wrote: welp thats what you get for introducing range 15 flying units into the game. LotV will introduce a range 22+ i guess to counter them lol.
Blizzard team has no flair or imagination. Wasn't the Tempest originally like 23 range?
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If terran goes mass of viking, then protoss just switch to HT tempest terran gg
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On July 22 2014 19:38 gobbledydook wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 19:37 HomeWorld wrote: Guess, this terran koreans needs to learn some tricks from Avilo. Mech ain't easy. hahaha, you mean, the guys who keeps whining after losing to protoss because he's just not that good? The only problem, and it's a genuine one, is the early game, that's where the issue lies. If terran manages to go into mid/late game without any setbacks or just minor ones , mech can work quite fine.
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On July 22 2014 19:40 SC2Towelie wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 19:36 Zealously wrote:On July 22 2014 19:35 SC2Towelie wrote: Is Wolf actually trying to tell a Code S Terran that his composition isn't viable? I really hate him sometimes.... isn't he like gold? If the caster isn't allowed to make any calls on the game, why even have him casting? Presumably he has knowledge beyond the level of his actual play, that's the whole idea with a commentator There's a difference between commentating what's happening in the game, and making ignorant statements like "this composition just isn't viable." I can almost guarantee you that Bbyong wouldn't use this same strategy 3 times in a row if he didn't think it was viable. And if a Code S level player thinks that something is viable, and Wolf says that it isn't, I'm much more inclined to side with the Code S Terran here...
That's fine but you can't expect a caster to act like a composition is fine until it's been proven that it is, and so far Bbyong hasn't been doing that.
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It is viable. There is absolutely no chance in hell he would do the same thing 3 times on this map in such important games if it didn't have merit. Standard play fails too if your build isn't tight enough and you are slow on your transitions. If he got that AA up faster the game goes on.
Keep in mind it isn't just Bbyong that believes this can work. You think the rest of his team and his coach would be happy with him getting sent out on that map to gift games away?
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On July 22 2014 19:41 DarkLordOlli wrote: I think CJ should hire avilo to coach Bbyong. i think blizzard should hire this thread to make the next balance patch
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On July 22 2014 19:40 Phredxor wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 19:39 KrazyTrumpet wrote:On July 22 2014 19:37 GTPGlitch wrote:On July 22 2014 19:36 KrazyTrumpet wrote: Don't agree with Wolf, I think mech is plenty viable. Feel like Bbyong has *almost* got it all figured out. Honestly, I wish Tempests would go, I feel like they're a dumb unit and shut down too much late game tech in all matchups =/ He needed a faster starport transition, I think if he had a few more ravens and a bigger viking fleet it would've been easy money Yeah, like I said, I feel like Bbyong is so close to figuring out this whole mech TvP thing. Maybe faster starports and/or more ghosts and a nuke or two as well? Dunno, but I think we'll see more of this. I hope so, these mech TvP games are fun Looked like that's where Bbyong was heading, just couldn't get there fast enough. But even then, the Protoss could just switch back into a ground army if he went too viking/raven heavy. That's why (among other things) I feel assault mode Vikings need a buff
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On July 22 2014 19:41 KrazyTrumpet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 19:39 Topdoller wrote: welp thats what you get for introducing range 15 flying units into the game. LotV will introduce a range 22+ i guess to counter them lol.
Blizzard team has no flair or imagination. Wasn't the Tempest originally like 23 range?
Yeh "for when you absolutely need to snipe siege tanks from all the way back in your base - THE TEMPEST!"
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On July 22 2014 19:40 SC2Towelie wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 19:36 Zealously wrote:On July 22 2014 19:35 SC2Towelie wrote: Is Wolf actually trying to tell a Code S Terran that his composition isn't viable? I really hate him sometimes.... isn't he like gold? If the caster isn't allowed to make any calls on the game, why even have him casting? Presumably he has knowledge beyond the level of his actual play, that's the whole idea with a commentator There's a difference between commentating what's happening in the game, and making ignorant statements like "this composition just isn't viable." I can almost guarantee you that Bbyong wouldn't use this same strategy 3 times in a row if he didn't think it was viable. And if a Code S level player thinks that something is viable, and Wolf says that it isn't, I'm much more inclined to side with the Code S Terran here... This is a perfectly fine statement. Mech isn't viable in TvP.
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On July 22 2014 19:41 Undead1993 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 19:41 DarkLordOlli wrote: I think CJ should hire avilo to coach Bbyong. i think blizzard should hire this thread to make the next balance patch
We've got a GM terran in Dwf here and Teo was a good protoss too once upon a time before WoW ate his soul. Would probably get better patch ideas if they did.
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On July 22 2014 19:41 Nebuchad wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 19:40 SC2Towelie wrote:On July 22 2014 19:36 Zealously wrote:On July 22 2014 19:35 SC2Towelie wrote: Is Wolf actually trying to tell a Code S Terran that his composition isn't viable? I really hate him sometimes.... isn't he like gold? If the caster isn't allowed to make any calls on the game, why even have him casting? Presumably he has knowledge beyond the level of his actual play, that's the whole idea with a commentator There's a difference between commentating what's happening in the game, and making ignorant statements like "this composition just isn't viable." I can almost guarantee you that Bbyong wouldn't use this same strategy 3 times in a row if he didn't think it was viable. And if a Code S level player thinks that something is viable, and Wolf says that it isn't, I'm much more inclined to side with the Code S Terran here... That's fine but you can't expect a caster to act like a composition is fine until it's been proven that it is, and so far Bbyong hasn't been doing that. I disagree. I think he's very clearly shown that it's viable, though perhaps not polished enough just yet.
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